/hhg/ Horus Heresy General

Are there any examples of a land raider phobos as the standard plastic raider or is it all MkIIB during the heresy?

The friendships pretty much went:

>Horus & Sanguinius = friendly with everyone
>Fulgrim/Ferrus/Vulkan crafters clique
>Logar/Magnus/Khan deep thinkers clique
>Guilliman & Dorn = no real friends but resepcted Ferrus, Horus, Sangy, and Russ the most
>Lion & Russ = Distrusted by everyone else
>Corax = edgy loner neither liked or hated
>Pert, Curze, Angron, Alpharius = actively on bad terms with everybody besides Horus

It was always pretty ridiculous how the rest of the Primarchs were supposed to accept Curze. I mean Angron you can make the excuse of the nails messing him up but Curze is basically a serial killer.

MkIIB GOAT

Fulgrim did accept Curze and he was the closest thing to a friend that he had.

There's one image in one of the books of the plastic LR with its sponsons. Also, they Prometheus is featured in several images and it has the MkIII sponsons, just with heavy bolters instead of lascannons.

You might lump Magnus and Perturabo together. They were friends and spent time together exploring Terra and discovering ancient secrets. There's one scene in Angel Exterminatus where Perturabo is being inaugurated by the Emperor and he mentions how he shares close bonds with Magnus.

TROOPS:

Infantry Platoon 1 Platoon Command Squad, 2-5 Thunder Warrior Squads, 0-5 Unblooded, 0-3 Specialist Teams.

Platoon Command Squad:

Squad Size 3 (75pts)
WS:5 BS:3 S:4 T:4 W:2 I:3 A:2 LD:8 3+ save (Platoon Commander)
WS:5 BS:3 S:4 T:4 W: I:3 A:2 LD:7 3+ save (Honor Guard)
Rules: Thunder Warrior

Wargear: Power Armor, Power Weapon, Tonitrus Bolt Carbine, Bolt Pistol, Frag and Krak grenades

Any Honor Guard or Platoon Commander may take equipment form:
Special Issue Wargear

Thunder Warrior Squad:

Squad Size: 5-20 8pts each
WS:4 BS:3 S:4 T:4 W:1 I:3 A:1 LD:7 Save:3+
Special Rules: Thunder Warrior

One Thunder Warrior may be upgraded to a Champion for 10pts (+1atk, +1LD)

Wargear: Tonitrus Bolt Carbine, Bolt Pistol, Frag And Krak Grenades

Any Thunder Warrior may take an additional close combat weapon for +2 points per model.

One In Three Thunder Warriors may take one of the following:
Heavy Stubber: Free
Flamer 5pts
Rotor Cannon 5pts
Autocannon 10pts
Missile Launcher 15pts
Lascannon 20pts
Power Weapon 15pts
A Thunder Warrior Champion may take any of the following:
Artifier Armor +10pts
Melta Bombs +5pts
Nuncio Vox

If the squad numbers ten models or less you may choose from one of the following to take as a dedicated transport:
Legiones Astartes Drop pod
Rhino
Land Raider Proteus or Phobos

Thunder Warrior Squad:

Squad Size: 5-20 8pts each
WS:4 BS:3 S:4 T:4 W:1 I:3 A:1 LD:7 Save:3+
Special Rules: Thunder Warrior

One Thunder Warrior may be upgraded to a Champion for 10pts (+1atk, +1LD)

Wargear: Tonitrus Bolt Carbine, Bolt Pistol, Frag And Krak Grenades

Any Thunder Warrior may take an additional close combat weapon for +2 points per model.

One In Three Thunder Warriors may take one of the following:
Heavy Stubber: Free
Flamer 5pts
Rotor Cannon 5pts
Autocannon 10pts
Missile Launcher 15pts
Lascannon 20pts
Power Weapon 15pts
A Thunder Warrior Champion may take any of the following:
Artifier Armor +10pts
Melta Bombs +5pts
Nuncio Vox

If the squad numbers ten models or less you may choose from one of the following to take as a dedicated transport:
Legiones Astartes Drop pod
Rhino
Land Raider Proteus or Phobos

>"Have faith, Imperial Fist."
>GLADLY

I'm sorry I didn't cover for you, but I'm busy with examns.

>You forgot Mortarion
>He wasn't even included in the list
>He's got a tier for himself: Mortarion-tier of lonelyness.
C-curze had Morty as a sempai.

The Black Templars are a bit of a black sheep of the space marine chapters, with them being the only chapter that does believe that the Emprah is a god and all

They are the only ones who do obey the Edict of Nikea to the letter, though.
Emps would look at the Angels of Death psyker supplement and say "Didn't I just ban these witches?"

Actually there are approx. 37 chapters that worship Him.

MkIIB and Armoured Proteus are the only true Land Raiders around here, user!

Their sponsons make me hnng!

Actually Pert and Magnus were best friends, and Curze looked up to Fulgrim and confided in him.

Mortarion was pretty much Corax-tier in relationships. He wasn't hated but kept to himself.

Mate, everyone hated Mortarion except Horus. Heck, Perturabo hated him extra!

The sponsons on them are beautiful indeed, user. Glad to see that I'm not the only one with a love for them. Pic isn't mine.

When you see it.

Hey, does anyone know what the order code for Z's phobos bolters with hands attached are?

Trying to order some MkII crusade armor but am afraid to purchase bolters without the hand parts.

>When you see it
user, it's like this but with MkVI and that chaos star
youtube.com/watch?v=rc5G04nJecI

No suprise really, I mean who likes a guy who kills everybody that's down-wind from him by stench alone right ?

So I decided I have more money than sense, rip me.

Also, was there ever any errata that the achilles can take other shells in the quad mortar?

>Warlord Titan
user I love you.

What about the achilles alpha?

>I'm a Ravenfag
>nobody likes or dislikes me
>got into the army cause I'm a goth edgelord and a sucker for Poe's work
>spend my days lonely building my army
>mfw

>beaky iron warrior

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Whoops, forgot about the glorious armoured quad mortar!

How good are your building skills? Because unless you're hyper talented, you really should not risk breaking that monster.

Im up to the task of building, painting not as much. Ive already done an arm cannon and both laser blasters, have been working on torso

Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my soul... And my mind... even my voices... The body I've lost... the primarchs I've lost... won't stop hurting... It's like they're all still there. You feel it, too, don't you? I'm gonna make them give back our past!

Proper tips on weathering my Iron Warriors? Just slap nuln oil on them and put the mus technical around the base?

I'm still here because I can't find a better tabletop or video game hobby. WoW is fun, but it's much more satisfying to finish building and painting an army...even though I can only play once or twice a month.

Weathering powders will help if you want to go for the dusty/rusty look

Pertuabo and Magnus were close friends, but they're Still distrusted allies in game

Rolled 1 (1d2)

1 for one more round, 2 for taking a break and going to sleep.

Credit to Athrawes from BaC

Rolled 8 (1d10)

>xenos runes
I've seen too much, rolling for it now.
Looks much better painted.

Rolled 7 (1d10)

I live!

Fulgrim was something of a mentor to Cruze, but it is only mentioned in one short story, and holds no ground anywhere else, there are no mentions of friendship between those primarchs or legions.
In early years of HH books, when there was no consistency between writers and no general rule how to write legions/primarchs, Corax saw Curze as someone really close to him, 'cuz of "my stealth" eaven if NL were not prone to stealth tactics, and it is questionable how much Curze was stealthy during his years on Nostramo.

Looks better, but still Ahriman deserves FW treatment

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Vulkan too was mentor to Curze, but it was already too late, Curze lost what little trust he had after Dorn confronted him about the visions he had confided in Fulgrim.
Pre-Isstvan V Curze ran away from Vulkan and rejoined his legion, which made Dorn quite distressed when he found out that his orders to gather at Isstvan for the VIIIth had been received by Curze. This is in the Outcast Dead and the part with Vulkan in Artefacts, which is more than just one short story.

>>Logar/Magnus/Khan deep thinkers clique
Lorgar-Magnus and Magnus-Khan were definitely friendships, but I'm not sure Lorgar-Khan was ever a thing.

Dust (weathering powders or a very very light tan drybush over everything) does a lot. It especially cuts down the brightness of the hazard stripes.

It's a shame that the Lion and the Wolf never got to patch things up. I get the idea that Russ matured a bit after the Heresy.

Nah, he just got tired of getting his shit kicked in by everyone and fucked off to hell.

Oh that poor warlord, please stop hurting it

Is the land raider phobos just the standard 40k land raider from GW? Looking at what boxes to buy for my DG and just trying to make sure I get the dedicated transport for Deathshroud

games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Marine-Land-Raider?_requestid=3389833

At this point anything that's not FW is a pass for me.

It just looks all so cartoony.

Fuck GW

Yeah it's a regular one, Phobos sounds cooler than MkII or whatever.

If Phobos is MkII, what's MkI and what's MkIII? Because Phobos is the variant that has several marks just like how Proteus has different variants.

It's weird they couldn't just name the Proteus the MkI, armoured proteus as maybe MkIb, FW variant is the MkIIb and GW variant is the MkIII. Pic related could be maybe MkIc or something.

>le emo Corax meme
Corax might have been a loner, yeah but friendships with Guilliman and Russ are at least somewhat implied in his background.
>Beat Guilliman at warhammer three times.
>When Corax wanted to punch Horus after they told him to suicide his legion at Gate 42 Russ was able to stop Corax and convince him to go along with the plan.

Corax also only really felt something for Curze because Curze reminded him of himself. He basically aknowledges that he would have ended up the same if he had crashed on Nostramo instead of Deliverance.

Makes sense to me - Pert and Magnus may have gotten on together, but I can't imagine the casualty-heavy tactics of the Lord of Iron would sit well with the smallest legion, which probably also had one of the lowest legion recruitment rates - we know gene-seed implantation-wise the IW's was the easiest and the BA's was the hardest (I think they even used Sang's own blood to try and stabilise it), but the nature of the Sons makes me think they're not much better than the BAngles for it

Sons, Ravens, BAngels and Emperor's Children all had problems. Which one is worst is a matter for debate

The TSons used psychically controlled Automata from the Arkadine Mechanicum to supplement their forces and take the bullets for them.

SW was one of the gene seeds with the highest rate of rejection, but maybe TS had similar problems as well, with all those emergent psykers and some flesh changes.

...

Hmm, wonder how/if that'll be included - super cortex controller?

Didn't know the Ravens had problems, but I think the Children's main issue was a lot of their gene-seed getting hit early on - once they got back up to strength I didn't think their were many issues

Flesh change and Perils probably did a number on them, yeah.

It's 2017 we should finally be getting Inferno, right?

Probably their praevians get even better bonuses or mechanicum troops can be taken with +1 generic boosts
TS only recruited from prospero so they were guaranteed psykers, and then used robots ask the foot sloggers, once they reunited with Magnus and he lost his eye they were actually pretty stable
So they would have bonded over BEEP BOPS and the final grand attack that overwhelms the enemy with minimal casualties as well

I really dont get it

> shattered legions cant have a primarch
> including wounded corax
> t'd make loads of sense with the After Isstvan RoW

Let me tell you about sneaking around whilst playing death metal and having flash lights on

Read deliverance lost, corax and the RG had plenty to do.

On istvaan, i was under the impression the loyalists were divided

>Probably their praevians get even better bonuses or mechanicum troops can be taken with +1 generic boosts
I don't even care any more

>TS only recruited from prospero
Recruiting mostly from a single planet is stupid.
Even 40k chapters recruit from whole planetary systems, so not only it's hard to concieve a legion could mantain its numbers using a single source of manpower, but strategically detrimental, as it would mean a legion's ability to deploy dozens of thousands of marines depends on a single world, and the supply lines that are easiest to disrupt are those which are very definite and concentrated.

Huh, now I understand why Perturabo hated Mortarion.

Just look at Ultramar, and the Iron Warriors also used the whole Meratara cluster as main recruiting grounds, which coupled with their EZ geneseed allowed to pump out marines on an industrial scale.

Now I understand why Corax was scared about ending up like Curze.
Konrad Corax, Corvus Curze, the initials stay the same, whilst still having kewl nd' X-otik letterz in their names.

Turnip not furry enough

i'm interested in starting a solar auxilia or a (dark) mechanicum army
are the rules for the mechanicum condensed somewhere ? i get the impression that they are scattered about different books

What the fuck is up with the white lines?

Liked the idea of grey trim on the armor plates? I still havent weathered it, so the contrast looks more abrupt than it will be.

While the LR Phobos is the standard one, the LR MkIIB and the Proteus/Armoured Proteus are the standard ones for 30k. Nothing wrong with the plastic phobos though, just as there's nothing wrong with the regular Rhino.

>i get the impression that they are scattered about different books
Not any more. They're in the Crusade Imperialis pdf.
I downloaded it back when they posted it here as I'm always lurking. I forgot the link, however.

LUPER-FUCKING-CAL

no...

Speaking of beakies. I was thinking of using the imperial space marine as a specialist for my DG force. Now I'm not that concerned about a special weapons guy having a suit to boot, but would it be too strongly against established fluff? From what I understand the civil war was well underway by the time the armour was produced.

Fluff it as salvage from a looted corpse or a single tester wearing Artificer Armour

Aye that could work, maybe giving it more of a beaten look and perhaps signs of repurposing.

The armour was being tested as a prototype throughout the legions before the heresy broke out, so it'd make sense for a consul or maybe a kitted out sergeant to have it.

GW naming conventions are based on real life chronology and FW naming conventions are based on which model they're remaking.

Rhinos:
>1988 - 40k MkIb
>1989 - Epic MkIb
>1997 - Epic MkIb
>2002 - 40k MkIIc aka. Mars pattern
>2011 - FW MkIc aka. Deimos pattern, inspired by the 1988 Rhino
I don't think MkIa, MkIIa or MkIIb exist, the MkIb and MkIIc designations were probably based on "rule of cool".

Land Raiders:
>1988 - 40k MkI
>1989 - Epic MkI
>1997 - Epic MkII
>2000 - 40k MkIII aka. Phobos, sometimes called MkV, has dozens of variants both with and without kits
>2004 - FW MkIIb aka. Phobos(?), inspired by the 1997 Land Raider
>2011 - FW MkI(?) Proteus, inspired by the 1988 Land Raider
>2011 - FW Mk??? Armoured Proteus, inspired by the 1988 Land Raider but with MkII sponsons because why not
>2012 - FW Spartan, in-universe invented after Proteus and before Phobos, inspired by 1989 White Dwarf article for 40k
Not sure where the Achilles and Achilles-Alpha fit in.

Got most of my information from youtube.com/watch?v=RvdD50nSISs with some supplementary googling.

Both SW and TS had the highest rejection rates, and both of their geneseeds was basically a death sentence since the flesh change/wulfen curse was inevitable

It wasn't; it's mentioned that Lorgar thought Khan was an uncouth barbarian

And wasn't there a bit about Iron Hands and/or Iron Warrios getting some suits for testing first ? I remember something about that, as they didn't like it at all and said "Let the new guy (Ravenguard) test it" to make sure it failed. Only for the Ravenguard to make the mark VI get qualified for full production

I'm now picturing a bunch of gene-seeds dressed up like ganstas with the text "the body can't even handle us right now."

>FW MkIc

Was it actually named the MkIc? That just throws the entire marking system right out the door.

>sometimes called MkV

As I remember, the Phobos has marks from III to XXVII. Where IIb fits into I don't know. Possible the IA fluff piece was made before the IIb or they imagine the IIb being different from the III-XXVII or something.

Quite frankly they just started the number so low and came up with so many new vehicles that they have trouble fitting them all in there. It's fucked and there's no fixing it without hard retcons left and right.

Because shattered legions is a shit-tier army only made so players can join their differently painted small forces to play an actual game

I guess the idea is that a primarch should be able to find enough of his sons to field a monolegion army. And balance issues.

There are two looks for the Phobos: the FW Mk IIB and the GW Mk III. The FW model adds resin parts to the GW plastic kit – I think it’s not only the old-school armored sponsons (same as those on the Armored Proteus) but also a different hull top. The Mk IIB is based on the 3rd edition Epic 40,000 Land Raider (let’s call that one Mk IIa), which was the first time we saw what would later be called the Phobos. In other words, the first time we saw a Land Raider with front doors.

You can use either one (one of the FW books has a GW plastic kit in a background photo) but the FW model does fit in better. Especially for Death Guard – I think the Mk III’s sponsons look too modern for them. But it’s an extra $22 if you’re in the US.
forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/MKIIB-Land-Raider

Word Bearers won.

There's also , which lacks the hull gun, has MkI style wrap around tracks and the sponsons are separate from the side doors.

>I think the Mk III’s sponsons look too modern for them

Don't know why. Proteus, spartan, predator, sicaran, etc. all have sponsons that aren't in WW1 side turrets. I'm a little baffled at why we don't have Russ style sponsons on 30k Marine vehicles.

Mechanicum taghmata list should hold all the truths you desire

Yeah, that's Pert being all grumpy - he didn't feel the armour was up to scratch, wanting something more along the lines of a better Mk.III than the way Ml.VI improved on Mk.IV.

Given the Raven Guard were on his shit list after Gate 42, he felt that giving them the clearly inferior armour to test would mean that the design failed and his own ideas for Mk.VI would be picked up

The choice is clear

Thousand sons only recruited from prospero as aspirants would already have minor psychic training and basically guaranteed to be psykers whereas everywhere else it was a needle in a planet sized haystack, and more likely than not they can't control their emotions so in their angsty teenage phase become a daemon rift, or they're empathic psyker and even then only for humans.
Although it's pretty much head canon when you think about how advanced they were in the disciplines, the fact they had their own forgeworld right next to them, they probably could have survived any siege xenos threw at them and the emperor himself would have defended the great psykers who would defeat any daemons if things went to plan.
Along with guaranteed psychic sacrifices like the emperor does in 40k, as it was Magnus who was due to sit on the golden throne and keep the webway open so they wouldn't have to use the warp anymore

>this fag again
Also your eye of Horus looks more necron than anything and only alpha legion is allowed necron stuff
Would you also accept unmarked chaos marine back packs ?

>Would you also accept unmarked chaos marine back packs ?
fuck no