Flamges of War General: Fast enough for you old man edition

I was being a bit facetious.

Obviously some people bought it.

But from everything I've heard, Great War did not have great sales.

Our group bought 8 initial army boxes - 4 german and 4 british. Only 2 of us have their armies painted since they originally came out. NONE of us have yet to play a GW game.

I just want the painting guide so I can paint up some All Quiet On The Martian Front infantry -- so all my stuff looks similir-ish.

apparently it was pretty bad. During Black Friday the Warstore was giving it away. It's the only reason I have one.

Makes a nice coaster though.

Also for those who missed it, magnetizing Jagd/panther hulls is stupid easy. I remember we had a guy asking if it could be done and the answer is yes, yes it can.

I magnetized mine a different way - but I agree it was super easy: farkongnome.blogspot.com/2015/06/pantherjagdpanther-swappable-hulls.html

>Flamges of War
why

flying tanks son, flying tanks!

>During Black Friday the Warstore was giving it away.

I remember that. I thought it was downright hilarious. And I still didn't order a copy.

It was a literal example of "You can't even give this shit away."

>All Quiet On The Martian Front

Now there's a truly dead game. Which is a damn shame. The setting is cool, and the minis for the tripods and the steam-powered WWI-style tanks looked cool.

I don't know if I would have played, but I certainly would have gotten myself some of the minis.

Are you aware that the IP has been picked up and the new company (that is part of Miniature Market) is churning out stuff right now? Check it out: quietmartianfront.com/

I got the British box set, but any interest locally for Great War died when the US was released...another case of "here we go again".

I was not aware of that, no.

I'll have to check that out.

Best flying tank, taking off.

Started painting my BMPs and Gvozdikas lads.
Actually quite like the Gvozdika, it looked pretty rough and shitty in plain resin and metal but it seems alright now.
Gun barrel was still an absolute arsehole to attach though.
>why
Tradition!

Noice mate!

>Buy 2 boxes of PSC M3 halftracks
>American crew is wearing German Y strap webbing.

What the fuck?

wow that edge weathering really makes the model

Sponge method? What color did you use for the chipping?

>hello there buddy! Like you I am freedom loving American! Apple pie, baseball, democracy, ah I love it.

>How about we toss around the schwein skin und have some bratwur- er I mean brats ya?

>By the way do you know where we can find HQ? Good Old Patton is a good friend of my father you know

God... I would totally fail any sports-based identification quiz given to me in that situation.

>Baseball question
Um.. Is it David Wright?

>Football question
Is it one of the Manning Brothers?

>Basketball Question
Shaquille O'Neill?

>Hockey Question
The Lake Placid Olympic victory over the Soviets?

Who am I kidding? Nobody would ask a hockey question.

Hallo yes we are American Panzer Destroyer ya.

We are from New York Cities! Boy howdy those Cubs are swell yes?

Which way ist being to high command, we are of delivering important document.

>Patton

Right this way!

>7 hits on 1 infantry team
>make every single save

Yeah, The PSC sometimes does silly things like that.

BF's made mistakes too, but they've fixed them.

You and me both

Best one was when I moved to Denver and worked at Papa John's (Protip, some guy from the Denver broncos owns a bunch of them up there)

>Keep seeing boxes for Broncos in pizza store
>ask coworker who the broncos are
>Coworker looks at me like I've said "Have you accepted Bob Saget as your lord and Savior fellow pilgrim?"
>"Theyre.... theyre an NFL team hungariboo..."
>"Well no fucking wonder then, I'm from Kentucky moron, we don't give a shit about anything but college basketball"

This is about where I'd be shot in the battle of the bulge I'd imagine

>Baseball question
>David Wright

Eagles... You know as well as I do that the Mets are "That *other* New York baseball team.

The question would most certainly be about the Yankees. Something about Jeter or A-Rod.

>Hockey Question
Wayne Gretzky. The answer is always Wayne Gretzky.

>Who am I kidding? Nobody would ask a hockey question.

It sadly is a fourth-rate sport here in the US.

Although it tends to be more well known than soccer. The only thing I know about soccer is that every fucking 5 year old kid plays it, leading to the whole "Soccer Mom" stereotype.

However, nobody else fucking plays it at all. Unless they're fucking Latino or Central European.

Based B-7

Fastest tank around in 1939

>New York Cities!
>Boy howdy
>Cubs

Virus, it's like you're not even trying...

Although I'm impressed you know enough about US Baseball to mention the Cubs.

Now, for bonus points, what popular sci-fi movie pokes fun at just how bad the Cubs were at the time the film was released?

Back to the Future II?

Does FoW have any supplements for the second sino-japanese war, or the nomonhan incident / battle of khalkhin gol?

BT-7's and BA-6's vs Japanese Rifle division (and some light tanks) in a superb combined arms attack by none other than Zhukov himself.

Yes!
No Zhukov though, too high level command to see the battlefield.

...

I guess early Zhukov was much lower command than the standard mid and late war Zhukov we're all used to. He was still cutting his teeth in 1939

>a superb combined arms attack
More like they were both on the same bit of organisational paper and stayed that way because the Japanese couldn't find their own asses. Same people that gave us the Winter War clusterfuck, remember.

I wouldn't mind seeing Nationalist Chinese.

88th division trained by Falkenhausen inflicted serious casualties and surprised the Japanese during the assault on Shanghai.

>Back to the Future II?

Yup.

The cubs fucking sucked for most of the 80s. Making it totally believable that Marty was shocked by the screen saying that the Cubs could Sweep the World Series.

Anyway, to try to get this somewhat back on topic, what would modern ID quizzes look like?

American pop-culture, and the bigger sports teams or athletes are pretty well known around the globe at this point.

From what I've read the Soviets made good usage of combined air, artillery and ground assault. A superb combined arms attack for 1939 when only really the germans knew what they were doing with that kind of thing.

Zhukov is a pretty great commander, he wasn't involved with the winter war as far as I know. That was mostly shitty conscripts up against veteran Finns.

>Nationalist Chinese

Unlikely.

I think Battlefront does a lot of printing in China, and they tend to react harshly to anything that doesn't follow the party line about glorious Chinese Communism.

Never mind the fact that basically being nothing but one big factory fueled by Capitalist Consumerism is the only thing keeping the Chinese economy from collapsing in on itself.

Also Chinese forces would be pretty similair to any other forces during WW2. low to average training, some AT guns, maybe some light vehicles, nothing really special to warrant their own army list.

I don't know enough about their forces to say one way or the other, but I'd imagine they had access to some semi-decent stuff if they were standing up to the Japanese.

Although granted, the Japanese were not exactly the best army in the world at that time themselves.

>the Japanese were not exactly the best army in the world at that time themselves.

Japanese tanks were actually pretty good in the 30s. The problem was they were still using them in 1944.

"Where were you on Nine-Eleven"

and if they aren't sufficiently tearful, choking on their own thick, rich, creamy, freedom, they're obviously some kinda Cock Sucking Nazi-Communist-Liberal Pinko-Faggot and you shoot them.

What's a biscuit?

The Chinese were pretty basic, they lacked decent AT weapons. And yeah the Japs whipped them pretty good. The Japanese were the best army in Asia at that time. They managed to use light tanks and combined infantry / tank / artillery tactics to great effect. They didn't conquer 1/5th of the globe by being shit.

For example in the Philippines they overwhelmed a British force twice their size, by getting their light tanks to positions the British didn't think tanks could go. Most of their light tanks were under 20 tons, and could cross things like improvised log bridges.

The main reason they didn't do so well in the Pacific against the U.S. is they were massively outnumbered and out-produced. On the offensive and with surprise tactics they were excellent, but they hated defensive battles - hence their futile counter-attacks during the Pacific campaign.

Also the Japanese loved amphibious tanks, and actually used them!

they had a massive variety of equipment, training, and weapons. Not to mention you've essentially got two different armies between the nationalists and the Communists (can't remember what the original government was called, nationalist may not be correct)

There's really no force that could proxy out of the box for them. They really did have a bit of everything.

We had a guy researching them like a year ago, I always liked reading his posts. Learned a lot from that

I was going to say "Or they're a kid", but currently anyone that wasn't around on 9/11 is underage b& so who cares.

>What's a biscuit?

I may be a northerner, but nothing beats southern-style Biscuits and Gravy.

>"Where were you on Nine-Eleven"

At this point you might as well ask them where they were when Neil Armstrong landed on the Moon.

It's just a historical event at this point. Coming up on 15 years ago.

Students who just started high school were more than likely born *AFTER* September 11th 2001.

And the typical age for US combat troops is 18 to 21. They would have been in kindergarten or even pre-school at the time.

>And yeah the Japs whipped them pretty good

Japs lost a ton of men in China. And after several embarrassing defeats by "inferior" Chinese they really took it out on the civilians.

Getting ready for class. My first class was at 11 AM. Was watching the TV with my mom when the second plane hit, then got news the Pentagon was hit too. Called my college after watching and they told me the rest of the day's classes were cancelled. It was a surreal moment. I remember thinking it was definitely our generation's Pearl Harbor.

Yes, I'm an old man by Veeky Forums standards.

true, there was the one battle I remember where the Chinese cut off Japanese supply lines and proceeded to mangle the Japanese main force as it retreated, but that was more of the exception than the rule, The Japanese did capture the capital and main cities pretty effectively to start with. Usually when someone takes your capital city you've been whipped. Maybe not with Russia in 1812, but Russia is a different story... Once most the large portion of China was under Japanese control, the Chinese reverted mostly to guerrilla warfare, after relocating tons of their industry and population to the west.

The U.S. lost a lot of men in the pacific too but still captured every island they wanted to. Casualties dont always equate to lack of success. same with the Soviets in Stalingrad.

Harambe jokes.

American Revolution and War of 1812. British capturing major cities and burning the White House really did nothing but cause anger and resentment to kill redcoats.

Also US overall casualties for the war were extremely light compared to what other countries suffered. In the Pacific it was like 10:1. Look how many Japanese died fighting at places like Saipan and Iwo Jima compared to what they inflicted.

needs some tank escorts

>Harambe jokes.

The gorilla that got shot because a kid fell in at the zoo? Okay... I don't even want to know what jokes might exist about that.

>what would modern ID quizzes look like?

Questions about celebrity relationships?

Questions about relatively recent video games, movies, etc?

I mean Eagles really hit the nail on the head. Pop Culture from the US dominates world-wide culture. Everyone knows who Luke Skywalker is and who his father is.

And you can't use US history. Our own people don't even know it.

It makes me sick to even suggest this, but maybe ask them to properly explain SJW terms like "cis" or "problematic".

Comparing US to Jap losses in the pacific doesn't quite work, the Japanese tended to fight to the death or commit suicide, and so we see pretty much 90% losses for all Japanese on all islands. If you look at US losses on peleliu, the deployed 50,000 men and lost/wounded 10,000. That's decently high.
Okinawa, US had 90,000 killed or wounded. Sure, they deployed 250,000 people, but thats still a colossal amount of losses to take one island.

Either way, my point about losses not equating to success still stands. The US were still able to complete their objectives, regardless of losses.

youtube.com/watch?v=FTBftExjXuU

>90%

try more like 99.99%

Most prisoners werent even Japanese, but slave labor South Koreans and other non Japanese "sub quality" labor units.

mediafire.com/view/kk9rel0v0j02mb2/Great_War_scan.pdf

i also was in class.

professor took a message from an assistant, then after being shocked, told the class some very basic info then excused us all...

then, me and some buds whipped up conspiracy theories once we got the full story

Was spending the day at a different school than normal, because my mom wanted to see if there were private schools that would work better for me than public middle school. We had gone through the first few classes when the teachers started acting weird, and rumors started to circulate. I'm guessing around the time the second plane hit was when we all got moved to the various windowless rooms of the school. The teachers told us what had happened, and we basically stayed in those rooms with activities to keep us occupied until our parents came to pick us up. Ended up not going to that school. Didn't hit me at the time how bad it was, since I was barely 10.

None of you were sufficiently tearful, or choked on your own thick, rich, creamy Freedom. So we suspect you all of being Dick-Licking Commie-Natzi Pinkos and you're all being shot.

Sponge chipping indeed yes, I don't know why I never used it before, it's pretty comfy to do. Used Russian green highlight from the MIG interactive modulation box with German cano black brown for the chips down to the metal.
I am looking for a Vallejo alternative for the green though, its really designed for an airbrush so I have to wait for it to dry up a little before I can effectively sponge with it.
Thanks gents

You're a sheep-fucker, not an American. Produce 5 guns with their accompanying American flags in front of your collection of patriotic American literature and we'll listen to you. Otherwise you're not American, and therefore your opinions and statements are valueless.

What is this sponge method?

Awwww YEEEAAH!

Nationalist is correct. Kuomintang might be the word you're thinking of, and it just means Nationalist Party (it was a one-party state - even after fleeing to Taiwan, other parties were illegal there until the mid-'80s. "Free China" indeed.).

They had a few Panzer Is and a core of German-trained infantry, dozens of Soviet prewar light tanks, but mostly they had numbers.

It's basically just using a piece of sponge to lightly dab the edges to look like chipping.
migjimenez.blog(removethisbecausemuhspam)spot.co.uk/2009/11/sponge-chippping-and-rust-stains.html?m=1
The chips are slightly exaggerated in 15mm, and scaled up would probably be the size of your fist, but everything else on 15mm models is too so it seems to work pretty well

Army commander, which is something akin to a corps commander on the western side.

Zhukov's attack was the basis for most of the good strategies the soviets used later in the war, so no.

This is only true because Japan wouldn't allow men to be captured. As says, you get very different numbers if you commit suicide automatically when you're beaten instead of becoming a POW like a sane person.

By reasonable measures, losses in the pacific were horrific. There were two standards for casualties in the US military in WW2, "European" and "Pacific". Expected casualtieds in Pacific standards were horrific in European ones.

I think you realistically need to include both the Chinese armies, since they were a huge part of the fighting there.

How does kangaroos work and how do i field them, sorry if its a stupid questions but please point me in the right direction.

They're Armored Transports. Look through the rulebook for those (and also regular transports, since armored transports are a subset of transports).

They just happen to be VERY armored transports.

Is that the FHSW mod for Battlefield 1942? Used to play the shit out of it. Still hop on from time to time. Jump jet valentine is best valentine.

Admittedly is it really that hard to be best Valentine. Not exactly stiff competition, the poor thing was just about obsolete by the time it saw the frontlines.

Why does the Kraut in the Guard tower have a Lewis gun?

>or example in the Philippines they overwhelmed a British force
>British Force
>Philippines

Er, no. You may be thinking of Burma.

You shut your whore mouth. Compared to late war tanks Valentine's are slow, underpowered, and underarmored. However they were used to good effect in North Africa. It was a small, well armored tank that could support the advance of infantry and eliminate any light to medium armored threat.

If only the 2 pounder had a half decent HE round.

Wasn't there a Valentine model with a 75mm gun crammed in it?

ah shit I was actually thinking of singapore

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Singapore

75mm

pshhh. They forced a 17-Pdr into the humble valentine. had to rip her open to get such girth inside though...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_(tank_destroyer)

Compared to mid-war tanks Valentines are slow, underpowered and underarmoured. They were put to good use in NA sure but much of that came down to well, their being put to good use rather than being particularly good tanks, it also helped that they often replaced such gems as Cruiser IIs, so their new owners weren't exactly hard to impress. They were also fucking TINY, like they made Soviet tanks look roomy. They are cute though.

Yup, the Mk. XI, though it only showed up in '44 I think and even then only as a command tank for Archer Troops.

Ah.

In all fairness, the Japanese's greatest asset in the fall of Singapore was the sheer bloody incompetence of the British High Command. You'd have to work hard *not* to win when the other side's deployment, logistics and plans are laid out by drooling retards.

Yeah, when they first shoved a 6 pounder in they had to remove the co-ax... pretty much making the tank useless against infantry. They redesigned the turret to add it back in. The final version got a 75 mm.

>sheer bloody incompetence of the British High Command
business as usual milord

Points all taken, but you'll never dissuade me from my near-sexual love of the valentine tank.

It's okay, I also have a deeply flawed tankfu.

>not the Crusader.

Looks like we got a queer here boys.

At least my tankfu isn't getting penetrated by every panzer on the front.

You hush your mouth, it's just a phase.

>Tankfu
>Penetration

my Girl is the Centurion. she's slow an' ugly, but she loves a good pounding and has no problem with intense radiation. God, is she stacked!

> Centurion
> Ugly
Why would you say something so mean and untrue about your tankfu? Also, check out her rate of fire (0:54): youtube.com/watch?v=RcRpeSSwpvE

She's my tankfu and you can't have her!