40k general

I'm out of the loop, I have no idea what Sternguard are.

Imperial guard has little in the way of females in combat!
Also, much of Black Libarys shit nowadays.

They're veteran marines that are more shooty. They get specialist ammo for their boltguns that lets them fire with different profiles of your choice every time they shoot at something. They can either fire with poisoned 2+, ignores cover, AP3 and gets hot, or +6 inches of range and AP4.

You could just end them to me for free and I'd treat them right.

No thanks Lad, don't want them hot glued.

Who else is hoping that CSM will rise to middle tier rather than bottom tier with the new formations?

Other dude already explained what they are, but they would fit pretty well with Tycho. Tycho's a shooting character in an army that really wants to fly around and punch and knife people to death.

Sternguard are the best shooting units in the BA codex, though, and Tycho wouldn't be bad running around with them and shooting shit. If you could grab an original (or new FW) rhino for them to ride around in, that might be cool.

what do you consider middle tier?

I'd like for CSM to get better just so their players might stop bitching, but even if CSM were the best codex in the game their dumbass players would still find reason to complain about something.

Orks, Nids, Sisters, Bretonnia

DESU I'm not even fully sold on the BA characters. It's an option but I could easily paint them up as a different chapter and use the chaplain as a HQ choice.

I'm mostly just pondering the idea. Would it be something any one would care about outside of myself? I have plenty of projects to work on but if this would build attention for my blog/twitch/youtube I'd do it as a project for them.

>t. pampered SM faggot with the best formations in the game

I hear that. I almost want their codex last chanced along with orcs and tyranids just because I am tired of listening them whine.

bangels too. their codex is NOT that bad but they cry about it like it worse than orcs

BA and I only run Baal Strike Force detachments. If we get a decurion with tons of free shit I'm going to only use it against CSM players just for you, honey :^)

>bangels too. their codex is NOT that bad but they cry about it like it worse than orcs

IT TOTALLY IS BAD

But yeah I hear you. I think Ork players are just used to their shit being bad, whereas a lot of BA players remember the days of 5e.

It's better to hear it's complain, they you know we still care and want to play

The majority of us have fucked off to play better games, when the complaining stops have fun with the eldar Wank fest

i also play C:SM so id just grav-rape you anyway, faggot.

just because i want my CSM to be good doesnt mean i only play 1 army you retard

> I'm mostly just pondering the idea. Would it be something any one would care about outside of myself?

Maybe, I dunno. I think it would be neat to see at the gaming table but I'm not sure how much interest it would generate online. You don't seem to have any of the really cool old metal marines -- just the mono-pose plastic ones, so that's not very interesting in itself.

I feel a bit bad sometimes about CSM sucking so hard I just switched to a different army, but then I play the occasional game with them and It's so boring I almost slip into a fucking coma.

It does make it difficult seeing 3K worth of CSM shit in my display cabinets though. Just a massive pile of frustration and guilt.

That's kind of the novelty, it's so generic.

nice models. I'm jelly.

Yeah that's why I think it could be cool on the table, because for people who remember the "good old days" of the mid-90s it might be neat.

For maximum "kitchen table 40k circa 1996" nostalgia, paint them all with unthinned testors and don't do any shading.

In all seriousness, though, it might be cool to see the old basic stuff painted to a good standard.

Not mine. I wish I was that good (or had an airbrush). I'm just thinking about doing that basic scheme (grey an red-orange) for my eldar.

Found this on twitter:
Some upcoming BA stuff
spikeybits.com/2016/09/blood-angels-confrimed-new-prices-release-info.html

any one have more of trators hate

So I put together a list of basically every model I have, minus the odd special weapon and HQs, and I was wondering how it looked as an all comers list even if its not optimal. Comes out to 2000 points on the nose.

--Black Templars - Combined Arms Detachment--

-HQ-
The Emperor's Champion

-Troops-
Crusader Squad
Sword Brother + power maul & meltabombs
Four close combat initiates + power fist & flamer
Four close combat neophytes
Rhino

Tactical Squad
Sergeant + Combiplasma
9 tacticals + plasmagun
Rhino

-Elites-
Command Squad
Four veterans + meltaguns for each
Apothecary
Drop Pod

Dreadnought + multimelta, built in heavy flamer, & power fist
Drop Pod

Sternguard Vets
Five veterans + combimeltas for each
Drop Pod

-Fast Attack-
Bike Squad
Five bikers + two gravguns and a combigrav, meltabomb

Assault Squad
Five marines + two flamers and meltabombs

-Heavy Support-
Devastator Squad
Five marines + three missile launchers and one lascannon

Predator + twinlinked lascannon & lascannon sponsons

Thunderfire Cannon

--Black Templars Formation Detachment--
Raptor Wing
Two Stormtalon Gunships + skyhammer missile launchers

Landspeeder + two heavy flamers

Emperor's Champion rides with the crusader squad and drives at the enemy warlord. The tactical squad combat squads and pushes to camp some cozy objectives. The dread and command squad drop in first to hunt armor and draw enemy fire, the dread being able to draw enemy AT and the command squad maybe being able to survive a bit with FNP. The sternguard drop later when things are safer while still being capable of knocking out a vehicle as they enter. The bikes try to go hunt something scary. The assault marines look for a weaker enemy to bully or just try to tie up something to buy time. Devastators focus on enemy transports. Predator tries to finish things off. Thunderfire clears chaff for the rest of the army with the help of the speeder. Stormtalons keep the skys clear since my group doesn't use the flyer supplement.

I'm excited even though I don't even play BA anymore. I used to play during transition from 4th to 5th edition when they had White Dwarf codex.

I just want full DC army to fulfill my rip and tear needs.

Anyone find it awesome how HoR killteam rules are perfect with alot of those start collecting boxes? Recently got the Scion one and my list seems strong as fuck with all the toys Scions get

So in the Black Crusade detachment, the Core options are:
• Chaos Warband
• Maelstrom of Gore
• The Lost and the Damned

The rest, aside from Lords of the Black Crusade, are Auxiliary. Correct? The pics I've got cut off the symbols.

Also, post glorious 2nd Edition or older art.

>Devastator Squad
Doesn't matter if it's casual or competitive, mixed heavy weapons in Devastator squads are dead weight.

Why are you even using shooting units? You *are* playing Black Templars, right?

pretty cool

Would be great if we got more BA-specific kits, but they'll probably just be regular marines with a different name (maybe an extra shoulder pad sprue or whatever). Unique BA sternguard might be fun just because the normal BA tac marines are so overloaded with gems and vials of blood and blood drops and wings and shit already.

I think it's just that the guys behind it have put a lot of thought and testing into it, and so the starter boxes tend to be pretty viable forces in the game because everything's pretty well-balanced, point-for-point (bringing more dudes is almost always better, but other than that, it's well-balanced).

Lol Bretonnia

Rip knights

>orks
>mid tier

Yeah Orks are way better than Bretonnia. Upgrading them to High-Tier. Thanks for noticing, user :^)

bretonnia is actually strong af in 9th age 2bh lad

I picked Black Templars because I loved the look and idea of crusading space knights, then I discovered my playstyle favors shooting and I'm really more of an Imperial Fist so I'm left with this weird hybrid. Still love the models though so I haven't actually switched. Besides, its not like they don't have devastator squads, they're just less common.

I have no good excuse for the mixed weapons though, just what I have and I was only able to trade for one more missile launcher

I haven't played 9th age yet. My heart broke when the End Times dropped and everything ended stupidly, and I just haven't been able to bring myself to play since then. Well I tried AoS a few times and was severely disappointed, but other than that...

I'm not surprised Bretonnia would be good in an update, though. What Bretonnia was hurt most by was just the overall cavalry nerf since 6e, and so if cavalry in general got better, then the whole army wouldn't need much tweaking to make really strong.

Huron Blackheart did nothing wrong.

Just give us some shit for war bands that aren't Abbadon's emo buttfuck buddies or some flavour of the month crimson slaughter thing that will never get touched on again.

Anyone even care about Black Library books?

I don't read books based on video games, board games, toys, television shows, or movies.

Instead of the Horus Heresy series I recommend reading Ivan Turgenev's classic "Father's and Sons."

I read black library stuff that's about future cannon and might influence model releases that I consider fluff the rest I consider fanfiction. I do audiobooks/dramas of hh I read Endtimes and I'm deciding to read Beast Arises because I think some thing interesting is going to happen to 40k soo so I want to be up on the fluff. the wider fluff thou is a waste of time and you can learn it just as fast by reading the latest codexs and some old whitedwarf. or if you prefer wikis.

In the past three months I have read the Dark Angel's, Grey Knights, Word Bearers trilogies and 1/6 of Space Wolves.

The are good enough for my downtime at work, even found out a coworker played because I had paper copies of some instead of the pirates I read on my tablet.

thoughts on some metabuster nonsense?

CAD
Sorcerer (rolling Maelific for Technomancer req)
2x Cultists
2x Maulerfiends w/ Lasher Tendrils
4x Fire Raptors w/ Autocannons, 2 w/ Rending (Flyer Wing)

3x Heldrake w/ Baleflamers in Air Superiority Detachment

Flyers almost certainly come in T2 from reserves because of air superiority with a garbage barge full of ignores cover firepower thanks to the magic of flyer wings.

How much is that? 2k? Its not a bad list really but has has serious problems. If the game is more objective based and shooty-tooty army has a first turn against you (Tau, Convo, Eldar) you probably either get a) tabled b) immediately lose out your ability to get objectives.

Flyers cant hold objectives. They are too high on their flying bases.

It's 1850, for East Coast/NOVA style format which has a significant amount of non-trivial line of sight blocking material. It's fairly unlikely it'll get tabled before the reserves come on.

And since those flyers can hover and the rules of the area, they can hold objectives once they drop down. Seriously, what crazy people try to claim you need to measure from the ground to the hull of a hovering flyer? No one does that.

Using the full Scion command squad is good shit people underestimate the standard and Tempestor Scion commander and some people say make your squad just scions I personally like to take 2 Tempestor Scions with a bolt pistol and CCW due to the rule to get them.

>And since those flyers can hover and the rules of the area, they can hold objectives once they drop down. Seriously, what crazy people try to claim you need to measure from the ground to the hull of a hovering flyer? No one does that.
I've never seen anyone NOT doing that. Rules are quite clear on it that vehicles are measured from their hull. So you might want to play it like that (and I understand, I know what Air Superiority Detachment says about transports) but if your opponent says no you'll be 99% likely to lose that argument.

You're better off asking the TO's about the subject before submitting your army.

In both the ITC and NOVA formats, hovering flyers are able to capture objectives. It's in both format FAQs.

>Implying he's lying
I only know like two CSM that aren't obnoxious as fuck, even back 3.5.

Okay then its not a problem really.

HEXAGOOOOOOOOOOOOONS

At this point I say fuck em. They're amount of complaining is way too disproportionate to how shitty their dex is.
Orks are worse, yet, while they still bitch, at least stuff like space0din's dex shows they actually try to remedy the problem.
Nids use flyrant spam in competive metas, and as a result don't bitch nearly as much.
Deldar don't really complain that much. I guess they just embrace the pain, much like their army.
But CSM on the other hand, won't stop bitching. And they don't even want any actual solutions, they just whine and whine to basically be spikey loyalists. And hell, they actually get a bit of that in the psykic powers, copies of the AoD powers, the same powers they bitched about, and whined about not having, and what happens? They bitch about how the powers are shit.

I'm sure there are some fine upstanding CSM players, but you all need to start speaking up and telling the mongs who bitch all the time to shut the hell up, because they are garnering you no sympathy, in fact at this point they're getting you hate.

Do daemons have sexual organs?

>updated devastator sheets
What the hell do they need to update? Besides having no access to grav, is their any difference between the BA one and the C:SM one?

No grav
No Skyhammer
No IH Chapter Tactics
No Free Vehicle Decurion

Just some basic stuff that needs fixing nothing big :^)

yo dawg. kenny biscuit here. UPDATE MY FUCKING CODEX NOW REEEEEEE

keep it icy guys. rock on.

You speak the truth!

Goddamn it I hate how he talks, but his airbrushing tutorials are pretty ok. Also
>Sonic wallscroll at the start of every video
>Mfw

So. Nothing says Typhus can't make all of the cultists in a Lost and the Damned formation into plague zombies, right?

As long as they are in the same army as Typhus

>No IH Chapter Tactics
how could I forget about the Iron Angels. Thanks for reminding me :^)

>Goddamn it I hate how he talks
i find it endearing 2bh dawg

I'm not going to blame them too much for not coming up with fandexes. But I think what irks me about CSM is just that, like, there are by definition going to be a lot of armies that are below-average. Many, many players' armies are going to be not-great. That's fine, and most of us have dealt with that to some degree. It's not the end of the world.

And yet every fucking thread, half of the posts are about how bad CSM are and how if they don't get a good update they're never going to play 40k again.

It's just overwrought.

In Kill Team games, can every model throw a grenade, or just one per unit?

I think alot of it is due to 30k and most of the reasonable people giving up and moving there. So 40k is left with the doomsayers, lunatics, and idiots who want to play Rubric Marines.

So no one is left to tell the complainers to shut up because they all gave up already and moved to greener pastures or they just don't give a fuck and have already given up on chaos being good ever again.

Every model becomes an individual unit from what I understood

Not him but another KT question. When grabbing a troop choice, is it the whole unit or the price of a singular model. For example, 14 pts for a Marine each or the whole squad price?

Yup, that's what I read as well, just wanted to ensure my position.

if chaos wills it to be so

I hate playing full big army 40k

Heralds of Ruin Kill Team is sick as fuck and is the only thing that gets me to buy models.

Plus I dont need a giant ass army to play

Want to play some Scions or Eldar in kill team? Just get the start collecting box and your set

Nvm Im retarded, just had to apply a bit of thought.

You purchase everything as you would for a normal game. They get split up afterwards.

>When grabbing a troop choice
Alright I follow
>is it the whole unit or the price of a singular model
What is 'it'?

Was saying the cost, apologies about the confusion.

>have already given up on chaos being good ever again.

Here's the thing: Chaos is and always has been GW's pet faction, going across both 40k and WFB. Their other major pet is Space Marines. CSM have both.

That doesn't mean they're always going to have great army lists. They've been hurt by an overall shift away from close combat and towards shooting. But they're always going to get new stuff. Maybe it's not the best in the game, but it's there, and there's a reasonable chance that they'll get better as editions change and new codexes come out.

And if you enjoy stuff besides the base game, then CSM has no room to complain. Sisters haven't gotten any new minis in like twenty years and their players are perennially worried that they're going to get squatted. What's worse: bad codex or bad codex and nonexistent support from GW? Your army's always going to be around, and it's always going to be getting new shit.

Like I'm sorry if CSM players can't win in their local meta because everyone's a dick taking decurions loaded with free shit, but you can get away from that pretty easily (play with friends).

It just seems so silly to me.

>mfw tau exist
>mfw people like and play tau

I personally think Kill Team will save 40k

Be it HoR or GW rules

are you the baby or the skeleton?

It won't be GW kill team as they don't care about it.

Is that why they got rid of those shit over priced kill team bundles? When buying the start collecting boxes was a better idea

Their concept has merit, it's been woefully mishandled though.

Dude, stop it with the HoR shilling. Nobody gives a shit.

Yes

considering all tau players are babies, i'm the skeleton

I don't care about HoR much either, but KT was just a re release of the existing rules.

I liked the first answer better because it wasn't as stupid

suck my dick

Feed it to me faggot

oh are you a dark angels player too~?

Oh fuck it's like the Rock in here.

ok omw