Pathfinder General /pfg/

Any details on the campaign setting, story etc?
And maptool?

Weeb-homebrewfag here again with my third archetype for samurai. On the chopping block this time is the Ten no Kishi/Heavenly Knight archetype, a hybrid samurai/paladin archetype.
docs.google.com/document/d/1Ry031J1aHVTPckYv27InnoBFozu1DRxaR5qK52Jc9f8/edit?usp=sharing

Feel free to check out my previous homebrewed archetypes, the Santouryuu-Do (which could still use some feedback) docs.google.com/document/d/1zE8yJYxd6ARrqEQrdyzxQ5tedP1ffGiTp5xBb_C2ywI/edit?usp=sharing

And my first samurai archetype, the Tamenhisan-Do: docs.google.com/document/d/1XlHjDwIEGVMpGSk3mQ8bOwyMQXLR6nLIF94qm0VwXBg/edit?usp=sharing

Jabbing style??

Reposting Gareth's new Malefex playtest.

docs.google.com/document/d/1W3LrE8WyIxxYRr8d9dHsWioeUk_-HZaSMqVWRnzc9Fc/edit?usp=sharing

Full details here:

Brutal Slalker with Bushi stacked on it, my man.

>Paizo only
Dropped

Oh, that eats into my stalker talents

>Paizo only

>Vital Strike is so shit that the magus can't even use it with any of his class features, and there's nothing to let them do so
>This means that my dream of stacking a Mercurial Duelist vigilante with Magus in a gestalt doesn't work
>unless I can beg for something to let me do it, which is unlikely

Why does Vital Strike have to be so bad.

Paizo.

probably not but im writing it up anyway

Is not THAT bad...if you're a druid who has an animal companion with only one attack (Boar? Bison?) and decides to turn into animals with only one attack. For everything else...yeah, it sucks.

Vital strike isn't bad. It's a butt load of dice! If anything it's way too powerful. Martials shouldn't be able to hit 16 dice each turn!

Why do mods allow these threads?

They really belong on /jp/, not on Veeky Forums.

would vital strike be good if you could use it on the first attack of a full attack action?

>A TTRPG is a /jp/ thing

Sure buddy.

Depending, yeah. Doing 4x weapon damage the first attack would be a boon, but I'm not sure how many classes could afford the feats in addition to their other required feats.

Could be worse.

Do you even need to ask?

2/10

Do you consider Dragon Style and Dragon Ferocity broken? because those two feats are better than all the vital strike feats together even if you allow what you say.

I mean, a greatsword fighter would probably get buffed, but it would be kinda ass for anyone else. Its a fuckton of feats for barely anything.

i just realized it's going to take me a while to type up, i'll throw it up later tonight/tomorrow when i'm off work

>D&D-knockoff
>on /jp/

u wot m8

Which is worse, Pathfinder or 3.5?

i think it could be good for cavaliers to multiply their damage on their lance charge if it wasn't so pricey feat wise
what if we made it like power attack like where it gets increased at bab increments so like every +5 to bab you get the next step in the feat chain and it all became one feat

Pathfinder, because it's still being abused by the developers.

All that you do in these threads is post anime monster girls.

Still less harmful to the hobby than Paizo.

So question for Aegis. He can get two extra arms to dual wield two two-handed weapons like greatswords or Earth Breakers.

What other size modifiers stack with on the Aegis customization?
Improved Increased Size gives you +2 sizes
Powerful Build for +1 size.
Increased size for +1 size.
Augment Weapon (which doesn't stack with Increased Size) +1 size.

Does the increased size from expand stack with a normal spellcaster's Enlarge Person?

>Femalefex
>"Female"-fex, a joke on how "malefex" starts with "male"
>"Fe"-malefex, because it's a concept about hunting fey with iron armor/weapons/etc
>A portmanteau of "fey" and "malefex"

motherFUCKER

This pun is gold.

All this talk about vital strike reminded me that Weapon of the Chosen existed. And that it's literally "ay lmao warpriest only go fuq urself famalam", and the only reason you'd take it is because of the last feat in the chain.
d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/greater-weapon-of-the-chosen-combat

>three feat chain to get 2 rolls for a single attack
>you must not only worship a deity and use their weapon, you must RECEIVE SPELLS FROM THEM
>martials literally cockblocked from something that the casters don't even want to use

JOLLY, YOU DAMN WELL BETTER KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO HERE.

PF is even more caster supremacy if you go 1pp so go figure

While I'll admit I'm not in love with the idea of making it cost a resource (since it shouldn't need to cost anything), what about if I included a feat that let them stack, maybe giving the magus's spell a DC boost when it was used like that?

Looks like something new is being added to the list of new talents.

Also HOPEFULLY Legendary Vigilantes should be out today (we're playtesting the villains version, as well as a few archetypes which are obviously going to be shifted to other products). Here's hoping it actually does.

Not that guy but my GM looked at Fool's Errand, saw the "Lock" mechanic and just laughed. I have no shot at ever being able to use it.

3.x definitely had more broken spells, though.

Post devils/tieflings/etc that could pass for human if not looked at closely

I think you forgot your face.

So your GM isn't willing to allow a mechanic less complicated than most existing combat maneuvers?

Elf, but close enough.

I did, yeah.

My questions still stand though, I think giving a DC boost could help make vital magus better.

>HOPEFULLY Legendary Vigilantes should be out today

Aw shit son.

I had something else I was going to harass you over, and I think it had something to do with a design defect in something from the first book, but for the life of me I can't remember what it was. I think it maybe had something to do with Inquisitive Detective?

>Magus and Vital Strike
IMO, Magus is fine without Vital Strike. Personally, I'd think it would be fair if you could take a feat that required a swift action in order to combine spellstrike with Vital Strike. Maybe give it a prereq feat that lets you Vital Strike during Spell Combat's full-round action?

Some of these Malefactions would be pretty fun out of combat as well, there should be a knack or some way to gain the ability to have your target be unaware of the curse placed on them.

...

Let me know, there's a chance that Inquisitive Detective was bumped to another book, so there's probably still time to fix it. I'm almost certain ID had some kind of issue, but at the same time, the book does have editors, and I do trust them to pick up things.

Great example of stuff im looking for.
>Elf with a tail
Oh the lewds

>Annah

My friend and compatriot of African descent.

Actually, no, not really.

...

You do know that Knowledge (Geography) is a trained only skill right?

Identifying ethnicity or accent is barely passable check.

Oh wait, it was Mercurial Duelist not being able to use either Inquisitive Detective OR Consumed, on account of eating the 1st level talent. Maybe also the fact that ID kicks in at 1st level and forces caster archetypes who need that 1st level social talent into taking Exposed.

Another

Wish was more broken, as was shape change. Ice assassin, the arcane version of Genesis. Few others as well. Paizo didn't do a completely awful job of removing some of the problem spells from core. Not that they actually removed the disparity.

I used this as a character art for a incredibly hyperactive berserker type who was dumb but nice.

>So your GM isn't willing to allow a mechanic less complicated than most existing combat maneuvers?

He said it's an unnecessary mechanic because grappling someone already basically does all of that, but also comes with drawbacks on the part of the grappler. Locking is just a way to get some of the bonuses of grappling without the drawbacks.

I tried arguing with him, but it didn't get anywhere.

Wrong (You)?

Oh, sure, some of the core broken ones got nerfed a little, but then you have out of core 1pp shit that is literally bananas compared to out of core 3.5. Some of them are literally step on [insert class] spell that give you all the features of that class but better, and these aren't even the broken, just the unfair as fuck.

I could change MD, although ancestral weapon is already pretty cheap for just 1 social talent, I've literally taxed the class to the max to give MD everything I could (way of the blade is obviously WAY stronger than unshakable, but the class needs it).

The caster thing is a bit more tricky, due to how everything else is structured. I could maybe see ID being pushed back to 3rd level, I'll have to see if it's being moved over to Intrigue Archetypes, which is taking Trickshot Sniper.

Also new talent:

>Superb Blade (Ex) The vigilante gains Weapon of the ChosenACG as a bonus feat, treating any weapon with which they possess Weapon Focus as their deity’s favored weapon. At 6th level, they gain Improved Weapon of the ChosenACG as a bonus feat, and at 10th level they gain Greater Weapon of the ChosenACG. The vigilante does not need to meet the prerequisites for these feats. A vigilante must possess the Weapon Focus feat to select this talent.

True, but Paizo also added shit like reflex based SoL spells.

Can I get a few of those spell names? I think I recall one that practically made you a paladin, but that's all that comes to mind.

Just one word CMD. Now extract your own conclusions.

I played an Anti Paladin of Urgotha who took that feat chain (and Power Attack) to use with his keen scythe. It was pretty nice.

3.5 grappling? I mean, at least there are ways for PF to ignore size restrictions for maneuvers now.

>paizo only
>touhou pic

n a h

ID being pushed back would have been the easiest solution and would make it feel a bit less ridiculous, though that would require it to get pushed back like you said. Consumed not stacking with MD is more of just a "well that sucks", but I wasn't much of a fan of it anyway. Even in the state everything's in, it's still far better designed than basically every paizo archetype for the Vigilante so far.

>mfw another one of my fits of autism ended with the vigilante having more nice things

>size restrictions
who cares when you can't beat their CMD, in 3.5 you could with some thought behind it, now even if you minmax hard as fuck there're going to be lots of times that is literally impossible unless you roll nat20.

Srly, compare the old Grapple/Trip bonus from creatures to CMDs now, you'll realize some of them went 20 or even 30 up. Balor in 3.5 was 35, now to Grapple/Trip him is fucking 56

>at least there are ways for PF to ignore size restrictions for maneuvers now
Like in 3.5, there was a feat to ignore size on trip and even gave you a +4 to it (if the creature was huge) +8 if it was bigger. Similar to grapple or other maneuvers. So, no, things aren't better, they're worse.

You can, you just have to super focus. Besides, you were having the same issues beating size bonuses in 3.x as well.

I'd recommend pointing out that Lock does nothing to stop the enemy from doing anything but moving. They can cast, they can full attack and murder you, they can initiate, etc.

If I can, I'll talk to the publisher about doing that. I'm not in love with it being pushed back, but at the same time, it does solves some stacking issues.

New Feat
>Vital Magic
Prerequisite: Spellstrike class feature, iaijutsu slash class feature, or bonded spellstrike vigilante talent.
Benefit: You can use the Vital Strike feat (or iaijutsu slash) with the spellstrike class feature as a standard action, as well as treating your character level as your Base Attack Bonus for the purpose of meeting the prerequisites of feats with ‘Vital Strike’ in their name.
Normal: Spellstrike requires a full round action to use.

GDI, should have said spell combat, fixing it now.

This is a good meme. I like this meme.

How deep into the meme tunnel can we possibly go, though?

scratch that, get the increase at +11 and +16 sorry

I don't get the anger at Paizo only in this thread.
Someone explain?
I let 3rd party stuff in my campaign but my players aren't autistic powergamers so they just use things that interest them, which just happens to be a majority of paizo stuff

Bait.
It's been explained 1001th times, you might not happen in your games but stop baiting with the "care to explain?" because you already know the answer.

Well, there's their disrespect for their consumer base, the general shit quality of their product, their endless deepthroating of casters, their unwillingness to try anything that isn't shitty vancian magic, their obsession with making the game a porno, and their endless insistence on using an alignment system that makes less sense the more they publish it?

Meanwhile, autistic powergamers just join paizo in sucking caster dick and people who enjoy having fun and competnet characters go to the good 3pp like Radiance House, Ascension Games, Legendary Games, Purple Duck Games, Dreamscarred Press, Drop Dead Studios, Alluria Publishing, and Little Red Goblin Games.

(you)

For Dread, when using Broken Dreams Style, it says you apply the damage of devastating touch.

For Devastating touch, it says you must make a touch attack on a living target, and then apply damage.

Does this mean broken dreams style gets around the living target restriction?

I dunno, they seem to be well educated, knowable and swell guys who know what they're doing. I even believe they test their stuff with real athletes and martial artists.

For me, it was the moment I found out the psychic classes were just vancian casters done a bit differently.

Still better than 5e though, which wishes it was 2e.

5e is decent. At least it tried plenty of new things, rather than being basically a worse version of 3.5

Thank you for explaining, I've played Pathfinder for years and 3.5 for ages, I know paizo is a dumbass company but I just didn't delve deep enough to understand the vehement hate. I knew casters were fucking retarded, I just didn't know 3pp would fix it so well.
Thank you for the suggestions I'll definitely check them out to improve my game.

Just reiterating this because I'm in a fight and could really use the extra damage.

I thought that would be the weapon cord's post

Someone explain Spheres of Power to me in 10 words or less

Same poster as What are some of the best 3PP books besides Path of War and the Psionics books?

Danke user.

...I may end up writing this too. Fey aren't the only things that recoil from the hateful touch of iron. Get some themes of rusting going with the curses, maybe, where folks wither or even start to flake away...

Reposting this feedback from the previous thread (with the knowledge that they got the 5-foot step thing wrong by mistake) to keep it in the convo: pastebin.com/m8fXEEgp

Maybe, but I'm not as sure about that one. I'll chew it over and toss out a proposal.

Yeah, I've gotten this quite a bit thus far, and some subtle edits to the fluff up front will probably help with it. One thing about the malefex is those street-smart experiences are often the /source/ of those spiteful or competitive feelings; they know, firsthand, about the connections made between people because of hatred or rivalry. They use those connections in a hostile way (to wit, curses) but unlike, say, a bloodrager who's all about cutting loose or a zealot who's all about projecting their passion, the malefex's basic art is still /manipulating those connections/. You can see that expressed another way through Bad Penny and Lingering Misfortune.

Wisdom is also perception, empathy, awareness, and the ability to connect oneself with others, whether that's your fellow man (Sense Motive) or a god (clerics, inquisitors). It should be notable that I'm of the opinion that Witch could and maybe even /should/ have been Wis rather than Int.

Later(tm).

Thank y'all for the feedback thus far! I'll be addressing/updating things when I get back home.

I sent you an email.

>a porno

As opposed to what? DSP and their Pornforge book?

Hey Gareth, I have a question. (Also, good to see you again, glad you came back)

For Dread, when using Broken Dreams Style, it says you apply the damage of devastating touch.

For Devastating touch, it says you must make a touch attack on a living target, and then apply damage.

Does this mean broken dreams style gets around the living target restriction?

Dread seems to get fucked by undead/constructs

>Does this mean broken dreams style gets around the living target restriction?

No.

When you land an unarmed attack, you deal unarmed damage. You also get to deliver your devastating touch. It doesn't say that it changes who or what your devastating touch can affect, just that you can also effect a target of your unarmed attack with a devastating touch.

If you hit a construct or undead, you would deal unarmed damage. You could also choose to activate devastating touch, but it would be worthless since devastating touch cannot deal damage to such creatures.

Fair enough, it just says 'applying Devastating touch damage', not 'apply Devastating touch damage to valid Devastating touch targets'