What if Elves had guns?

You know, this is something I always don't get when someone presents some of those "modern humans vs fantasy races" settings. Maybe elves would slowly adopt them, but as soon as they see their advantages they must fucking love them and be some of the best shots out there.
>What? The humans need to put scopes on their rifles? What's wrong with their eyes?
>And they need a second guy for who also keeps track of the wind? That's what we have those ears for!
Last part is headcanon

Shadowrun elves make really, really awesome gunbunnies, and in theory D&D elves with their added perception (esp. 5e wood elves) would be even better.

Guerilla in a wood elf forest would be vietnam against people who can literally find natural camo anywhere.

Has nobody ever noticed that the deadliest sniper of WWII had pointed ears?

He also spoke quenya tbqh

The guns don't even aim at the same point in space. So he's ether super competent and tracks two targets at once or seriously inept. And between the two I'd go with the inept as the more probable one.

That's not elf, that's changeling, can't even keep the straight face...

Mods please set up an /elf/ board for the elfaboos.

>recognizing each other's strengths, the dwarves and elves form treaties, with elven sniper contingents living on top of mountains while the dwarves live below them and in the valleys
>elves dominate open field and forest engagements, while dwarves dominate siege warfare

So, it's finally time to exterminate the humans, isn't it?

It's a well known fact that Elves can have guns OR they can have pants, never both.

I imagine Elves would have guns like this shit. Super complex, super ornate, gives them way more firepower than their opponents beecause Elf gunsmiths makes the best guns bar none.

questfag detected

In early modern fantasy, I tend to have Elves running around with wheellocks well past their end-date. IRL the swedish army tried to get the funds to keep making the into the 18th century but the sheer cost was deemed too much, but they were largely superior to any mechanism until the capslock (low chances of hangfire, better handling of shitty weather, etc).

Weird innovations I put down more as a dwarf thing.

Dwarves would probably go in the opposite direction.

That's because he got shot in the jaw with an anti-tank rifle.

He then sniped the man who shot him.

You don't fuck with The White Death.

Not to mention that dual wielding anything has never been a good idea.
pic related

What if the traditional games board had threads about traditional games?

>elfgames are ot on the elfgames board
t. dwarf

elves != games

>elves with guns isn't a game

>life is a game, fantasy is reality.

>discussing setting ideas and pre-existing settings with the same idea is bad
You should go back to /qst/

That is a Nosferatu

>forgetting your medicine
No really, elves with guns are scary as shit.

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My cousin Alwistiel just joined an elf gang and they're the terror of the neighborhood.

They'd all die because guns in OP's pic is owned by one bald angry gringo albino

>WWII

Man I'm gonna smack you.

>47
>inept

>picking up litter
>playing soft music on lyres

Wow what a fucking menace.

Well then arm yourself so those dirty elves don't shoot at you.

>What if Elves had guns?

So, that litter stays there, why are you against the natural order of things?

On a slightly related note, I've always wondered why guns are so harshly looked upon in fantasy settings where highly intelligent creatures like elves and master craftsmen like dwarves exist.
They can unravel the fabrics of the universe to tap into magic but the prospect of them coming up with the idea of a firearm is too much?

I'm not talking fully automatic machine guns and M2s but things more crude like and would make total sense, even if the people capable of manufacturing firearms and ammunition are more suited to magic the notion that it could or would never happen in fantasy will never fly with me unless a specific setting has reasons for it.

In all likeliness guns when compared to magic would be the equivalent of crossbows to longbows; sure a trained bowman will be more effective than someone with a crossbow, but you can give someone a crossbow and they'll be able to use it right away.
Not everyone can use magic or has access to enchanted items, so firearms would make sense if someone had the sophistication to make them.

People just like to keep things seperate. Some don't though. Warhammer Fantasy has had guns and magic coexist for a long long time. It's just that just about everything in that setting is hardcore enough that guns are largely less effective as a whole compared to real life. Magic is also more wild and powerful when compared to other fantasy settings.

>What if Elves had guns?

Do yours not?

Considering that's probably a cropped picture of Agent 47, I wouldn't assume anything of the sort.

better question

what kind of guns would elves have?

Some fine ornate shit that looks like it was perfected but it's outdated by the rest of society.

>In all likeliness guns when compared to magic would be the equivalent of crossbows to longbows; sure a trained bowman will be more effective than someone with a crossbow, but you can give someone a crossbow and they'll be able to use it right away.
The thing is that's really not how it worked. The usual base for this comparison is wrong in that bows died because of artillery and how dependent their battlefield usage is on the enemy being led by morons. The moment the french started replacing their leaders, they started tearing through shit.

Meanwhile, steppe nomads largely adopted guns and loved them, only one people of horse archers was left in Russia by the 18th century, and they were fucking useless against Napoleon.

Also the japanese kept archery as an elegant sport even after the samurai started to adopt the teppo for themselves and not just peasant levies.

They would be masterworked and engraved with filigree silver, each round hand-loaded by artisans. With one you could shoot the wings off a gnat across a windy field.

Meanwhile humanity makes nuggets and shitty elven knockoffs by the barrel load, and starts shouting in Cyrillic.

They'd be fuddy as hell, probably the primary market for either rare, fancy guns, or still using levers in the 21st century.

>I'm sorry, human, but nothing has yet happened to surpass the accuracy of the Lugereleth as a handgun

The first thing I think of is silenced, longer range rifles that can pick off targets without much trace.
Maybe multiple, single shot concealed firearms for use in emergency situations.

I had an idea for a character not too long ago, an elf whose parents expected him to be great at magic but is totally inept and refuses to let his house down, so he learned alchemy and created a staff that is basically a long shotgun, then created all kinds of shells that imitate popular spells. Everyone thinks he's a powerful sorceror but he's really just a SHOTGUN WIZARD

I concur with the highly ornate shit. The type of gun I imagine them using is either an arquebus if you want oldstyle gun, or if you want more modern, M1 garand or some late 1800s shotgun.

If you want a pistol, give them a classy single-shot model.

finely crafted antiquated style weapons that fire arcane bolts

*fwooosh*
WAIT A MINUTE

>M1 Garand
>ornate
No man, we gotta go with a Winchester.

What's wrong?

>Finnish war against Russia
>World War II
That's why.

The Winter War was part of the Second World War.

Is this some weird finnish meme that you weren't Hitler's left flank at Leningrad?

The Winter War happened during the Second World War but it isn't part of World War Two.

They were?

No one denies affiliation with Germany, it's just that we never went through with the advancement to russian territory properly.
A mistake

>implying Finland wouldn't just have been turned into a SSR if it had tried

If they have a WW1-esque techbase, I'd say they favour a rifle similar to the French Berthier.
Three shots means you can't really miss, and Elves have a lot of time to practice not missing

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Elves are rarely behind to a high degree when it comes to technology.

Tolkien's elves were pretty much just as good at dwarves when it came to crafting armour, weapons, etc. If they made guns, they'd just make good guns.

That said, I do like the idea of backwoods forest elves with modded AKs (like that one in Elysium... Christ that film was so disappointing but had such amazing weapon designs).

>Began three months after the beginning of WW2
>Started as a direct result of the events that began WW2
>Created a series of events that effected strategic decision making of both sides during WW2

While technically it was a separate conflict, functionally it was a part of WW2. The argument for no is just as strong as the argument for yes, the Soviet-Japanese War being another example of this conundrum.

A friend of mine had the evolution of guns in their PF setting as:

- Dwarves are the first to invent guns, in the form of cannons and blunderbusses, but the very fact they have these things goes unnoticed for hundreds of years until they have to fight a surface war.

- Human smiths immediately set to work creating their own replicas. Initially they create highly unstable but cheap to mass produce muskets, after a few years the artisans of a few organisations finally manage to produce repeating firearm designs, of which fewer than two dozen exist in the setting, the overwhelming majority of which are light crew served weapons.

The ELVES meanwhile, taking cues from the success of the Dwarves, put their heads together and invented rifling, optics, and silencers, reasoning that guns were much better as tools of assassination than honest warfare, and indeed it was better to never even admit to owning any. They own about a dozen prototype guns that are man-portable and can hit targets further than sixty metres reliably, which none of the other guns can match.

Each one is completely unique and builds on the capabilities of its predecessors in concept only. Each one is highly ornate, and named, but also incredibly drab and dark coloured so as to not draw attention.

Elves would be more like the japanese with portuguese matchlocks. Not exactly innovate, but work out all the kinks of a given design and do little variations until it's optimal. Then hyper speciailize in producing that sort of weapon.

>obligatory "let me try to derail the thread with stupid anime smut" post

>reasoning that guns were much better as tools of assassination than honest warfare
Funny thing, pistol irl started that way and a lot of political assassinations in the 16th century were done by getting to your target and just shoving the barrel on their stomach. It turns out that shooting a pistol at the end of a charge was devastating enough to supplant the lance in some armies; the swedes in particular loved to do that shit.

It was a joke. Calm down.

Dresden files

Elven revolvers are generally regarded as a fine type by rangers, but first appearances can be deceiving. Usually incorporating natural elements and using rough refinements of metal, the revolvers seem almost shoddy and some choose to distrust the guns even though there's nothing extraordinarily good or bad to write home about concerning the rifling. However the key element of elven revolvers is survivability. The rugged nature of the weapons belies their toughness and reliability, able to keep firing and fire accurately after weeks in the wildlands, with a unique but unobtrusive hammer mechanism designed to help keep the gun firing in most wet conditions short of monsoon or submergence. Despite their cultural snootiness, elven pistols are fairly cheap, and rarely found carried by their makers - perhaps out of said snootiness.

> And thus the humans developed Air-ship dropped incendiary weapons, because fuck that noise.

>"Silver Spoon in Hand" Plays

youtube.com/watch?v=IACglchX9n0

My high elf equivalents are overly British gentlemen on a Wild Hunt safari who consider the armies of the other races to be big game. They have many guns, all of which fire massive silver slugs inscribed with runes that enchant them to fly straight without rifling. Some of them also explode on impact.

Hayha fought in the Winter War, not WWII.

youtu.be/iLTpKs2ylP4

It's fucking on now, elves.

Have fun losing half your country to the dwarves after you inevitably backstab them.

Really advanced airguns.

I really like this idea.

Especially the notion that humans are essentially producing slavshit copies of dwarven weapons.

I am disappointed in every last one of you that this wasn't posted yet.

The finns were basically fighting for ze germans tho

It wasn't Germans fighting in Finland with the Finns to fight the russians.

Fighting for =/= fighing with.

That's the continuation war. winter war was when Germans and Russians were butt buddies, before barbarossa, and had divided all eastern europe between them.

>Tolkien's elves were pretty much just as good at dwarves when it came to crafting armour, weapons, etc. If they made guns, they'd just make good guns.
they're better

Shadowrun. Seriously, it's like OP isn't even trying anymore.

Air rifles

>tfw no mix of fantasy and autistic contemporary weaponporn setting

maybe one could tack on a magic system and fantasy creatures on twillight 2000?

What if Elves were guns?

I see them using something like this because they are poncy elvish faggots.

I think the general rule of thumb for LOTR is elves make the best blades and dwarves make the best armor.

But you need to be a body builder to move in speed in dwarven armor so you are better off going with elvish armor if you can.

Who else here read that as

What if Elvis had guns?

gay as fuck.

one of them super fancy, made to order physcionomical sumabitch wooden furniture olympic target shooter guns.

What's funny is if you think about it purely in terms of stat bonuses, an "elfy" gun would be a high precise and fairly complex gun, but also high maintenance and prone to jamming.

So an M16.

On the flip side, what is the dwarfiest weapon? Well it'd be rugged, able to handle the toughest conditions, but wouldn't neccesarily be all that good doing fiddly things like "hitting targets outside cqb"... so an AK47.

Of course that then leads to dwarfietnam. And there's the problem that AK47s have all the wooden furniture which is really elfy while the M16 is made of only the finiest materials and metals which is really dwarfy.

He'd shoot his TV... again.

>AR-15 variants are jam-o-matics and the AK never breaks!

when will this meme die

>AR-15
full30.com/video/30a1f036a5143172f5da39cf50f46360

>AK
full30.com/video/753d617d16a9cb6c09526519a0740313