Flames of War General /fowg/ - Tiny Ass Tanks Edition

Better to take the Nachtjager version. Swap the Tetrarchs for Locusts, the Recce for the NJ version (Dingo+UC), and spend the 20 free points you'll have on giving the airlanding platoons Panzerfausts. You're reliant on your infantry for AT, might as well get the best you can. Also, consider dropping the HMGs for another 6pdr platoon.

I think you're missing the point. He's trying to make a list that includes Tetrarchs, but is still a good list.

The new Bulge Compilation books,"The Ardennes Offensive" and "The Battle of the Bulge" are now in the Scans Database.

mediafire.com/#8ciamhs8husms

Thanks once again to the original scanner.

>mediafire.com/#8ciamhs8husms
That just sends me to the home page.

Try
mediafire.com/?8ciamhs8husms

Although the other link that isn't working was literally just copied and pasted from the page to Veeky Forums. *shrug*

It works with the question mark. Thanks! And thanks, scanon!

> The rule book and Desperate Measures look like they were stuffed in violently at the last minute, but I don't even care.

Were they damaged?

Cheers for the Bulge scans user!

The rulebook more so than Desperate Measures, but we all know the mini rulebooks are made out of explodium. Desperate Measures just had a little bending in the corner. The entire bottom of the rulebook looks worn. I don't think it's bad enough to bother them about it, but a little packing foam in the box would have been nice.

Just doing my job, ma'am ;)

Is it me or these Brit Para lists look like they are copied from Nachtjager Digital List... like word-for-word?

They don't have the para heavy mortars.

that would be exactly BF's style.
except they would tame 6 weeks to do it and outsource the ctrl+p part to a malaysian sweatshop

They're close, but the Bulge ones don't get Panzerfaust upgrades, have non-guards Churchills for support, have SAS jeep squadrons for Recce, can get two full sherman platoons (though only 2 of those are fireflies), and can get Motor platoons as a support option.

Amusingly, this also means all 4 LW paratrooper lists have entirely different Recce options. There's the weird Motorcycle/UC combo in Overlord, the Jeeps that dismount in Market Garden, the SAS jeeps that can be armored and giving a million MGs in BotB, and the UC/Dingo combo in Nachtjager.

>Just doing my job

Still, thanks. Making scans takes a good deal of time and effort. Especially for the larger books.

I know Team Yankee took me a few hours a night over the course of a week, and that's not even as large as *one* of the two Bulge books.

Anyone playing Pacific?

Is it just me or does the FoW digital app just turn to a white screen when I tried to read stuff on it. I'm using an iPad if that matters.

>Pacific?
>ioudaug!

Japanese Sensha Rentai, and all the Kai's i can manage, right here.

at work, so pics later.

I noticed that Wayland is offering free Team Yankee rulebooks for orders over £50.

How far will just this book go and what size are typical games? Can you play small scale games with maybe a platoon or two of infantry and a unit of tanks, or what?

>free rulebooks
pls link

Go to Wayland Games, put something into cart, go to cart. You'll see available vouchers under your items, including a free Team Yankee rulebook or free Kings of War rulebook for orders of £50 or over.

So now that everyone's got access to the Bulge books, what do you guys think of the 761st?

I like they used 2-tone camo, not just a sea of green like every non-German army in Europe.

I agree with the WWPD guys; the FT option looks expensive.

Yeah, for 45 points more than a Inomarochnikiy
Tankovy M4A2 (76mm), you get a M4A1 (76mm). For those 45 points, you gain:
+1 AT
.50 cal AA
Stabilizers
Mission Tactics
Tank Telephones

Both options are FT with the Hero rules (skills and arty as vet). Seems like for once the Americans might be the overpriced side.

Well, until you pay 5 pts to get Detroit's Finest, and a measly 10 (!) to become Veteran. Really not seeing a reason to run the FT version.

>how far will the the book go?
It has all the rules and forces for all of the Americans and all of the Soviets except afghasty.

>small scale battles
We have set up small engagements (ie a small mechanized unit attacks afghansty defended town with only mortar support). And the rules seem to work pretty well. From my experience you need to have at least at least 3 platoons per side so you can get a little unit variety (arty, air support, etc.)

For smaller engagements terrain and buildings help keep things interesting.

How vehicle centric is it? Can you run plain infantry platoons? Does it use FoW style unit bases, rather than individual models?

Been looking online and 15mm infantry units are rather cheap and if you can represent a whole squad with a few models on a base, those minis will get me far.

Fow-style infantry bases are a thing, but infantry are normally mechanised, so they'll have assigned transports that can also operate independently.

Vehicles are powerful (especially MBTs, but holy shit do you pay tons of points for MBTs) but even infantry units will normally have weapons that are more than capable of taking them out.

I think pretty much any infantry we see now or in the future will be paired to a transport, whether it be APCs or Helos. Maybe if we are lucky we'll see some Motorized groups in the future.

But that doesn't stop you from deploying infantry without vehicles when you are playing with your friends. I think the way releases are trending there will continue to be more infantry options in the future, but always paired to some sort of transport.

I would, if some of it would show up at the FLGS.

can't they order in m8?

Honestly pacific stories would interest me since the period seems really tough to balance.

Well Pacific is already out. Basically you can either have Early War equal points, or Late War points.

Yeah, I know that. Just the kind of kit the US has seems to be really hard to get in the capacity of plentiful enough to use but expensive enough to be limited.

They're waiting for it to show up.

The curse of battlefront strikes again.

Hey guys what do you think of my early war french list?

fowlists.blogspot.com/2013/01/blitzkrieg-french-escadron-de-fusiliers_8.html?m=1

It only saves it locally, linking just shows us the blank company page. To show it off, print the "print" page as a PDF and post the PDF. Like did.

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Last half

What points total are you aiming for? I'd max out the numbers in your core platoons; you're trained infantry, so you'll get hit relatively easily.

I feel like you need some indirect fire capability, as well, if just for smoke, etc. Also AT guns that aren't going to brew up as easily as a truck. If you're going to go for Portee guns, grab the armored 47mm version in a larger group than two. They're pure murder.

Sorry phone went full retard

Woops, disregard, missed your second post.

I'm going for 1500 point maximum

Whole list is fairly solid, but I'd personally ditch the portee 25mm and max out your second combat platoon. Trained troops don't die as easy as conscripts, but they're still only trained.

How big is a good starting army for Team Yankee? Points wise i mean.

100pts. What that entails, depends entirely upon what army you're going with. It could be anywhere between 5 to 9 tanks, with some supporting elements. With the upper end being an entire goddamned batallion of 21 T-72s crewed by fucking idiots.

100 Points is a full-sized army.

For a beginning force, I think you get between 50 and 60 points worth of stuff in the various national starter sets.

In TY, are milan mounts worth using in a Marder Zug? Or should I stick to having the infantry milan team instead?

so how is wayland games compared to BF? am i likely to see my order the same year i paid for it? is my real problem shipping to asia?

Generally, I think you will want to keep your Milan teams with the infantry, though depending on the table and scenario, I could see situations where you want to keep them on the Marder. It's a trade off between mobility and squishyness. For my Fuchs, I put the launcher on a brass pin so I can stick them on or remove them as I please.

Aren't they just an online retailer. As long as they have something in stock, everything is fine, but if they are out of stock you may run into delays.

namefagging for the sake of clarity.

i didn't have problems with other online purchase but BF consistantly takes 3-6 months to arrive no matter i order big or small recent products or shit they'd need to dust off.

but if someone can recommend another Bf product retailer i would be happy. no flgs for hours :(

In the States the War Store seems popular. Not sure what online retailers can readily ship to italy.

Whichever one you choose it may be worth your while to see if it is in stock. Email or call whichever vendor you are ordering from and ask.

bookmarked war store.

thanks bro.

Miniature Market, also in the US, is also pretty good.

Last major US one is Noble Knight, though I personally have only used Miniature Market. Over in the EU you can more easily get some companies (Plastic Soldier, Peter Pig, and Skytrex come to mind) which have pretty good 15mm ranges (Since this isn't 40k, and BF can't copyright historical tank/uniform designs)

Seconding Plastic Soldier Company.

Their tanks and vehicles are very good.

Their infantry is a bit more hit or miss though.

Which I've always found strange for a company that calls itself the Plastic **Soldier** Company.

Picked up a king Tiger lads plan on using it as a HQ but dont know what to pick up next any suggestions? Ive had a look at grey wolf and ardennes but not sure how to approach it

A King Tiger is usually a solid support choice for an infantry company, but they get a bit too expensive points-wise to really build a full company around them.

The KT forms a bit of a nexus on this infantry list. Strong defensive options, with rocket artillery support, with some powerful, well armoured assault guns guns and a variety of specialist assault troops if you want to go on the offensive. The KT, Pak40s, and well equipped infantry keep enemy tanks at bay.

>and BF can't copyright historical tank/uniform designs
Didn't keep The PSC from using an original webbing design on their American infantry.

Generally any of them that claim they're mostly one-piece sculpts are okay; the russians and US aren't so great.

Any swell Canadian firefly lists?

Also, is ordering PSC from Canada a good idea?

Stealth Canadians, or Armoured Recce, particularly from Market Garden are supposedly very powerful in the right hands, or you can do regular Canadians and get two fireflies per squadron.

Canadian armor is pretty good, since they basically get Protected Ammo and Mission Tactics at the cost of British Bulldog and ~+10 points per platoon. That's a pretty damn good deal.

So I've got 50 points left to spend on a NJ Airlanding list. Do I:
>Swap one of my Airlanding platoons to a Airlanding Engineer platoon
Pros: Larger platoon (+1 Rifle/MG team), access to a flamethrower, they're Pioneers if the enemy has fortifications, and ability to set up some free barbed wire or mines when defending.
Cons: Lose the Panzerfaust SMG from the platoon command

>Add a sniper team
Pros: Can pin pretty reliably.
Cons: Already have (bombard-capable) HMGs and two Mortar platoons to pin.

>Add two HQ PIATs and give my 6 pdrs/HMGs Jeep transports
Pros: Larger core platoons with yet more AT, more flexible options if reserves bite me.
Cons: Don't have the 8 jeeps and 2 PIATs this would need.

First option. It's a larger platoon of pioneers. You can't dissuade tanks on the charge, but you do present a giant blob of instant death to tanks. Snipers aren't that great particularly in Late war with TANKS TANKS TANKS everywhere, or if your Meta isn't particularly infantry heavy.

This, plus the free obstacles are normally like 30-50 points if you bought them independently. And unlike normal obstacles, you place them with the Pioneers, after objectives are deployed. Note that they still pop up magically even if you're (immediate) ambushing with the pioneers, though then they follow the normal ambush placement restrictions.

Enemy has a bunch of tanks? Well, you have more guys for your TA3 FV Bulldog deathpit, and now you ALSO have a minefield. Now they need to make a motivation and then a skill test to get to you (preferably in such a way they need to cross it to assault!), and if they fail the skill test then they get a AT 5 FP 1+ hit to the nuts. Works great against people that think Reluctant is free points when using tanks.

Infantry or Mechanized? You get to place 24" of "get rekt m8" in the form of barbed wire. Very Difficult terrain for halftracks and skill test to pass at all for infantry/man-packed guns is great for splitting up an incoming assault (especially if you put your HMGs on the other side of the wire). And if they're Light+ guns or non-halftracked, non-tank vehicles, it's flat out impassible, and they have to go the long way around. Even tanks still are reduced to Slow when crossing, which can give you the extra turn you need to shoot them to death with your 6 pdrs (You do have 6 pdrs, right?).

Obviously, not a thing in Fair Fight missions, but the other 3/4ths of the time supply vehicles are amazing value.

Bmp

We're likely to be recording a episode of Panzerfunk soon. So turn in those questions and they'll probably get answered on the show.
>docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeOBxEJbNzS_Ec7I76zQmCU9P7o0C5bAgcXriKQ4bOWBp4QkA/viewform

Speaking of, did anyone ever figure out what that garbled meme question from last episode was actually supposed to be?

It's a garbled version of this.
>knowyourmeme.com/memes/has-anyone-really-been-far-even-as-decided-to-use-even-go-want-to-do-look-more-like
So someone fucked up at fucking up.

I'm using this and it's behaving really well:
Armored Squadron , Overlord CT
3 Sherman V HQ
3 Sherman V 1 Firefly Vc
3 Sherman V 1 Firefly Vc
3 Sherman V 1 Firefly Vc
2 Sherman V 1 Firefly Vc
3 Universal Carrier
1 Sherman V 2 Sherman Crab
2 AVRE
4 4.2" Heavy Mortar
8 platoons, 1625 points

It has a lot of tanks, it has 4 fireflies to deal with tough tanks, mortars for smoke, carriers for recce and it always attacks thanks to the breaching group.
If you play on a higher point limit you can add in a Typhoon wich is always another good way to deal with big cats or jumboes or even swap out the breaching group for some Achilles if you feel like risking to defend on some matchups.

As the guy that submitted the question on a lark, literally all I did was copy-paste from that page. Any garbling is from the docs.

Where the hell's your infantry? How do you deal with engineers/LLW US/LLW Germans? I feel like DM panzergrens would mulch that.

So trying (emphasis on trying) to make a FOW homebrew about the 1941 War between Peru and Ecuador and later will try (emphasis on try) to do one about the Chaco War.

I don't know anything about that war specifically, but it seems like you've thought out the list organization in some detail.

I look forward to your future progress.

I shoot at them? I don't really see a problem, those full pzfaust team are small and cost a lot

Cool! Any particular reason why you chose that war? Ive been thinking of making a homebrew korean war with a grand campaign with a map over korea with different regions and then have you move troops on the map a little bit like risk and fight it out with FOW Rules and so on. Good luck!

Sure but you can get 2-3 of them easy into 1625. And you're attacking. And that's just panzergrens; if it's yanks with their million-stand bazooka platoons you're straight-fucked. How are you going to get them off an objective? You can't just shoot them, even unloading all the cannons, having removed GTG, your entire army statistically kills two stands. You have to take an objective, and that list can't against dug-in infantry of any reasonable calibre, especially not if they're drowning in ubiquitous LLW antitank nonsense (hint: they will be unless you have a club full of near-mythic period players who pick suboptimal lists for narrative value).

I didn't even know this was a thing.

Looks like I've got reading to do.

Strictly speaking it doesn't even need to be LLW cheese. Pioneer companies are in atlantik wall and let you put ten stands with TA 4 on the table for 180 points. Panzerpioneers are more expensive and smaller but 780 points for three platoons of headaches is going to make his job really easy.

Which book do I DL for stronk T-34 spam?

Maybe some infantry.

What era? EW you're not spamming anything but Barbarossa has T-34s, MW Eastern Front's all you've got, and LW you probably want Desperate Measures which has the best lists (make sure you have the options from Berlin in the free digital download for some of those sick 160mm mortars).

What said, but I'd like to mention that MW FC T-34 spam is my favorite T-34 spam. Your conscript tanks move like a herds of lemmings, but the armor and gun are at a sweet spot for the price and numbers you can bring to the table. Line your attack up and shove your tanks down the enemies throat because the AT isn't nearly as nasty in MW as it is in LW. The goal isn't really to kill the enemy infantry in assault, but rather to force them to fail morale and fall back off the objective. You can also bring a pair of relatively cheap FC SU-152s which are really useful.

Medium tank spam without proper anti infantry support doesn't work as well in late war.

thecombatcompany.com/categories/flames-of-war.html

Teh lols...

Thanks!
I chose it because it is smaller than the Chaco war and it was easier to find the actual full OOBs during the war.

And good luck to you too about your Korean War project.

So we've hit the stage in the GW life-cycle where they're trying to run their competitors out of business by clamping down on supply, huh? Wonder how long until we see Battlefront stores...

>thecombatcompany.com/categories/flames-of-war.html

The drama is so spicy.

I'm mostly interested in LW.

I'm not against taking infantry.

Fenks for suggestions.

Desperate Measures...T-34s with Tank Escorts, Bed Spring Armour and those lovely 160mm mortars in support.

And don't use the Hero tank companies. At least not for long - I guess you'd want to use them when your collection is only halfway there, but they aren't very good.