MTG Modern Thread

There wasn't one up so I'm making one

Discuss the modern format

Also discuss why Jace TMS should be unbanned this month

because he costs 4 mana so nobody will ever get to play him and when they do he won't be enough to stop them from dying next turn against fair decks

You don't have to make a modern thread just because there isn't one. If there's nothing to discuss it just dissolves into shitposting about:

- SJWers
- Chinese Proxies/Poorfags
- What would you unban

POORFAGS GET OUT OF MY CARD GAME

IF YOU CANT AFFORD IT YOU DONT DESERVE IT

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I'm almost done building Emeria Control.
I want it to look more like D&T so I can punnish harder match ups like tron.
Any suggestions?

ya, post your list so people can see the difference u fuck

Pepe always remind me of him

Post your want list for the next Modern Masters and if their rarity should be changed

>Abrupt Decay (@uncommon, narrow enough to be draft balanced)
>Mutavault
>Liliana of the Veil
>gitaxian probe (@ uncommon)
>elves archetype in draft
>Delver of Secrets
>Kiln Fiend as a capable draft pad threat
>Ensnaring Bridge
>Thoughtseize
>Snapcaster Mage
>Huntmaster of the Fells (MAYBE @rare)
>Stony Silence
>Thought Knot Seer

cards that FUCKING matter
i dont wanna see your shit ass giant tribal or arcane draft format ever again, wizards. you bunch of fucking jews. I want to open a 10 dollar pack and know I'm getting MOSTLY modern playables, not 3 or 4 playables and then a bunch of draft garbage.

>Also discuss why Jace TMS should be unbanned this month
He shouldn't be, end of story
If you really want to make control absurd, unban top and let miracles into the format

I want to get into modern but looking at the ban list and it looks like they just ban every single fun card. Surely the ban list doesnt need to be that many cards, does it?

Which format are you coming from?

>control ABSURD

Yes because 1 card would make the entire archetype go from literally unplayable to fucking ABSURD DUDE

Fuck off retard

>every single fun card
if infect killing you on turn 2 with two cards is your idea of fun, you can fuck right off back to legacy. we don't have force of will here pal.

Legacy lol. I have a legacy infect deck that can easily be made into a modern one, so far thats the only deck that interests me in modern.

holy fuck i was just guessing. i'm really glad I posted that now.

But user, modern masters 3 needs to be a draft environment because people don't like cracking packs just to get rares. It IS a rationale, and justifiable. But there shouldn't be any reason to not have MM3 just be a cube with good reprints in it and actually be a fun draft environment.
>UR gets spellslinger, which is basically less Pauper Fiend Blitz (You can reprint Izzet Cyclops or whatever too)
>GB gets Abrupt Decay and Maelstrom Pulse with Elf tribal
>G generally gets creature buffs like Might of Old Krosa (there is no reason for a non-berserk pump spell to be more than $2 or so)
>Reprint of Noble Heirarch
>Reprint of the Swords at rare
>no more fucking mythic rare bullshit
>ever

I can guarantee that the next MM is gonna feature werewolves like a motherfucker, with all the good shit being Mythic as to not disrupt the draft environment

I'm not saying not to make it a draft environment, just make the archetypes also modern valuable, like what you're getting at. I think Fiend Blitz is a great starting point for a draft archetype, with lots of modern playables in it. Elf tribal is modern playable. Give us Fish in blue if necessary, with spreading seas and Master of the Pearl Trident at uncommon. hell, they could give us budget infect, with glisteners and some pumps and mutagenics and inkmoth at rare.

I wouldn't expect them to perfectly mirror the metagame, but at least work a little bit fucking harder at making the draft cards more modern playable. I don't ever want to pull a pack of modern masters and hit a riftsweeper again. And give us zendikar fetches, will ya? christ.

is manaless dredge viable in modern?

You lack dread return and cabal therapy so I doubt it
You'd have to run bloodghasts instead of ichorid so you'd want to run lands anyway, although maybe something like a 10 land dredge could work since the rest of the deck is kind of there

>He has not played against a miracles engine
Pls kys
Miracles would be sweet, but it would still need a brainstorm effect.
Also it yould trigger all the timmy's who hate counterspells and removal and wraths

he's saying that if the best miracles can do is brainstorm on 4 without any other effect, it's in no way gonna be viable with no other unbans like brainstorm or top.

How to make control viable again
>unban preordain
>unban seething song and make combo great again

Alternative way (hardcore)
>unban mental misstep

Even if I can afford it, I'd rather buy a new car than 200 grams of cardboard

Let them have top too and we could have an interesting format
Fuck misstep though, that card was a misstep on RnD's part

But it would kill infect. Fuck infect up, for fuck's sake, it should be the number one objective. Burn will always be a thing, Zoo can be held down somehow, Affinity gets hated a lot. I know it's not the format's prominent deck, but Infect is most of what's wrong with modern.

So what, do you think infect won't run misstep? A card that hits 85% of relevant removal against it? Feeds the grave for become immense? The card that says, "Fuck you, turn one!"

Show me on the doll where the infect player touched you.

so bring back twin
it wasn't an unwinnable matchup for infect but it forced it to slow down
Misstep is retarded, infect can just run it and be fine

and missteps the opponents missteps, can't forget that.

mental misstep would single handedly warp the entire format beyond any other card printed.

You aren't gonna be playing miracles with just Mind Sculptor

No top = no miracles
No brainstorm = no miracles

Literally kill yourself

oh, you mean like it did in legacy?

Learn to read you fucking moron

Explain why a Jace unban would be the death of modern

Go

i was thinking of something like this

maybe i could add a couple lands to ensure the mana to play at least some of the cards, basic or shocklands, idk
too much dredgers also?

should give it a try.

Dread return is banned mate
Switch that and the zealots for 1 more probe, 1 more wraith, and 4 looting

exactly that.

Cheapest tier 1 deck? I hate this fucking format but I want to be able to grind more events.

infect

I don't have to. It's not what that guy said

>I cannot read chained post
Commit sudoku asap
Unban SFM
Reprint counterspell or daze
Profit

>make post saying it would warp the format
>person says "like it did in legacy?"
>exactly (which is why it's banned in legacy too)
>you shitpost saying i can't read

?????

Counterspell would do fuck all to this format

this
its a turn 4 format which means in most cases save for the Tron matchup your Mana Leak is online. all it would do is make counter suites that little bit wider

Because wizards got news that the secondary market needed a new price spike in old cards. JTMS would go straight up from $60 for damaged copies to $100.

It would replace mana leak, or go aside it.

whoops.
not enough red mana for the looting, probably i should put one with nothing

This
Also it makes deck construction have less variance. Counterspell is usually just as good or better.
Unless the mana is bad it just replaces it outright.
Also when glistener elf drops turn 1 a 2 mana counter does nothing.

Just won a game with a combo dredge brew, will post list later if its decent
i used 4 copperline gorge and 4 simian spirit guides, worked pretty well

Posting shitty "Manaless" Dredge list

4 Copperline Grorge
4 Dakmor Salvage
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Bloodghast
4 Bridge from Below
3 Demon of Death's Gate
4 Golgari Thug
2 Phantasmagorian
3 Sickening Shoal
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Narcomoeba
4 Golgari Grave Troll
4 Faithless Looting
4 Greater Gargadon
4 Prized Amalgam

Board
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Ancient Grudge
4 Thoughtseize
2 Nature's Claim
2 Surgical Extraction

Bro you clearly don't know how to play control against infect.
If they try to turn 1 glistner you respond with:
Symian
Symian
Manamorphous
Manaleak

How much would you modern players pay for Liliana, the last hope, foil or normal? I´m thinking about selling mine two.

Wtf? What? This is about sensei top
Again what???

Nothing. Zero.
It isn't good

Okay. Damn it.

Anyway, thanks for the answer.

After 5 games, I've concluded that this Dredge list is just like regular dredge except with 0 consistency, 0/10 would not bang

I don't think you fucks realize how easy it is to shut down an infect shell.

Do you even run removal at all?

Legacy has FoW, which is 100% better than misstep.

Literally everyone would have to run misstep in modern. Legacy isn't entirely built on 1 drops like modern.

>I have no idea what I'm talking about

Misstep WAS legal in legacy and it totally fucked up the entire format, so you're talking out your ass

No it isnt. Read the reply chain again, you shit lord

>This is about sensei top
Either you replied to the wrong post, or you have very poor reading comprehension. This is how the replies went:

>unban mental misstep
>Fuck misstep
>But it would kill infect
>do you think infect won't run misstep
>mental misstep would single handedly warp the entire format
>oh, you mean like it did in legacy?
>exactly that

>people getting but flustered by infect
I'm sorry you're bad at magic and jam literally no responses in your main board to anything at all

>3 recent tournaments
>out of 24 players, only 2 infects were in any of those tournament top 8s
Deck's fine boys

Any NYC Manhattan anons ITT? I was looking to play FNM this week near my office in Chelsea. Is the Compleat Strategist an alright shop? Do you locals play elsewhere?

Are you forgetting how infect runs 8 cards that stop their opponents from removing their creatures? And even some run spell pierce?

Are you impliying that they can win t2 and protect their creature? that is not possible unless you are bad at magic

it IS possible, but absurdly unlikely, since you'd need 3 mutagenic growths or 2 with become immense and blessing

To protect their creature AND protect themselves from removal, they aren't killing you even with a full hand.

Mutavault isn't expensive, what about cavern of souls?

And on the matter, I just dropped 500€ on a merfolk deck, should've I waited for the ban list update?

No, Merfolk is fine
Infect is the only thing looking shaky and tournaments after orlando are showing that it's still a good deck, but it's not dominating like people are making it to be doing
Affinity had more representation across the top 8's from Portugual, Scotland, and Sevilla than Infect did, and Infect didn't win any of those tournaments, only got second in one

Just remove things on your own turn so they have to waste the pumps / might not have the mana up

This
People are getting too cheeky with infect, trying to stop the damage when it comes in. Trying to bolt the creature on your turn means they can't use those pump spells on their turn, and if you leave mana up, you might be able to catch them during their upkeep

Counterspell helps control decks go long without sacrificing early game interaction.

Late game*
that's the difference with mana leak

>go long without sacrificing late game interaction
That's redundant user
His post was correct

I understand it's a massive stretch considering it would be fucking bonkers if they did, but I'd they unbanned BBE, wold jund run 4 of them for maximum value?

Probably just one, and that's if they choose to run it over Kalitas

At least one. The issue with BBE is it is super card advantage and pressure in one card. Nothing about its design is fair. Unbanning it will just let jund be an agro deck.

Lily of the veil pretty much HAS to be in MM17 right? They keep saying they're trying to reprint her and cucking out along the way. What about Grove of the Burnwillows? I could see that and tron being printed in there together.

we can only hope
they've been a lot more lax with their reprint policy though so probably

It's hard to say rareshifting popular uncommons is an improvement.

IDGAF someone just bought mine.

True, and it's fucking stupid
But Berserk got a reprint, so I figure there's hope for other good cards

One of the things yugioh does better. Everything gets reprints!

Except Black Stone of Legend, Qliphort Monolith, and PSY-Framelord Omega.

Nothing like mythic shifting rares.
This isn't that related, but if Wizards went back to printing walkers at rare I'd forgive them. They could save the mythic slot for reprints.

yeah, but the tradeoff is every cards is like 10-15 dollars so decks cost comparable amounts
plus buyouts happen a lot more
fucking reprint qliphorth monoloth though

Walkers were rare for all of 1 set and that's only because Planeswalkers predated mythics.

Mythics always existed in that certain rares had lower print numbers than other rares (Sliver Queen is my goto example), I don't know for certain but I would imagine that the Lorwyn 5 were like that too.

Fuck Monolith, I just want Omega so I can play Shiranui.

>want to make deck oriented around Kiora
>both Kioras suck monkey balls
>I like her the most out of all Planeswalkers

How essential is raging ravine in jund? I proxied all of the expensive cards and am only missing those.

I want to take it to fnm this week but lack the funds to get the ravines until next month

restore balance :^)