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Official HH 7th Edition Errata (Updated January 2016)
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30k TACTICA
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First for the First

How can such a whiny guy have such a great helmet?

What're you buying, /hhg/?

Or rather, what additions have you recently made to your armies? Units, Characters, Vehicles, etc.

Third for salesman Beep-Boop

Second for the best

FUCK
9 Legion Jetbikes. Because I have a need for Ravenwing, and hate money.

Pretty much I always have the page open either on the pc or phone, but I dislike phoneposting
Also, it turns out the IM can bring good artillery and cheap, at 75pts per model, at the cost of being immobile. So position them well.

Caliban based marines got first dibs on the cool gear.

Got a Bactical squad on delivery, x10 mk4 Dangels shoulder pads and x9 combi-plasmas. Also some of the bullet belts from the Sternguard squad.

I have these threads constantly open on my phone, I think I may be addicted.

I wonder if they'll give Astelan a statline when they get to the Caliban Schism. Wasn't he one of the dudes who was in charge of the Legion before they found "Papa Punch-Out" Jonson?

I got six recently myself(and I'm waiting on a Caestus to be delivered). I'm in a weird spot where I don't have enough tanks to run Ironwing and I also don't have enough bikes to really run Ravenwing.

Such is the price I pay for versatility.

>Are there any standardized guides/agreed upon methods for calculating the specific points value of any given rule or model?
It's not "standard", but some pointers exist. I hope this guy doesn't get mad about linking to his user page, but he has this "Intrinsic Value" system going on. It's a nice pointer, if any.
1d4chan.org/wiki/User:Evilexecutive#Fast_Approximate_Intrinsic_Value.28FAXIV.29
There's also this pic made by...generator user? I don't quite remember.
Yup, we are. It's best to call things by their name.

>I wonder if they'll give Astelan a statline when they get to the Caliban Schism. Wasn't he one of the dudes who was in charge of the Legion before they found "Papa Punch-Out" Jonson?
He was a Chapter Master I think. Unrelated pic. It's just something I took a picture of at a gas station near my home.

Found what it left out. Can we make a 30k version of Murphy's Laws?

Asking again here.

Are there any standardized guides/agreed upon methods for calculating the specific points value of any given rule or model? I ask because I've been making rules for the various 'Veeky Forums Heresy' primarchs and legions. I'm balancing things as well as possible, but I'd like a more concrete system than the guesswork I'm doing now.

(Also just for the record, I realize how it's nearly impossible to calculate the actual points value of command benefits because of how much the size of games can vary, I'm more looking for a guide for calculating gear value, armor perk value, etc).

If you charge off a cliff you'll end up losing 2n models to overwatch where n equals the number of models lost to dangerous terrain.

-> That was a hillarious battle report. Those Drop pods were inhabited by a Dark God each

Angron did nothing wrong.

Thanks, and don't worry about evilexecutive, I already piss him off with my edits anyway.

He looks like he allowd his lips to get chapped. I think that counts as wrong.

The Meatgrinder trinity uses no chapsticks.

hey man you get any flect

im saving up for a full calth before it gets discontinued

Angron lost. That means he's wrong.

How did he lose? Dying free after a life of slavery isn't a lose, big papa emps robbed him of that.

>Betrayal has lots of benefits

Nice motto

>filename
>fulgim primarchs
WOW I didn't know crossdressing was one of fulgrim's hobbies

More like first for the worst lol amiright

more like first for the weak

>it's another chaos legion that left half of their numbers behind to be spies tries to convince us they are loyal edition

He'll need it for when you know what happens. Soon. Soon you poison huffers.
He's not a bigger slave in daemonhood than he was in life.

How humorous.

forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Archmagos-Draykavac-Archmagos
is this the only model we have for an abeyant

He became a slave to khorne and failed to ammend his errors, wether real or perceived.

Angron is one of the biggest cucks

>cuck
getting your own skull throne isn't getting cucked

Becoming an angry faggot slave that attacks the same planet repeatedly in between bloody assrapings by angry gods is pretty cucked

But Angron has been getting cucked since he was born and is basically his entire character so that's only natural.

Yes it is because now he's a slave to Khorne

At least Magnus is researching, Mortarion enjoying life, and Fulgrim having degenerate sex.

What is Angron doing? being angry? You think he ever liked being angry?

>Uni stills owe Curzefag child support Sub-Edition
???

Age of Darkness podcast #16 had a guest appearance by some guy who claimed to have a system. I don't think it went into characters, though.

well Fucked around a bit and invaded Armageddon.

>At least
all of the daemon primarchs are slaves to darkness and thus failures

This.

Angron got shitted on, but was it really his fault? Got captured as a kid because some eldar fucks followed their stupid prophecies that almost always result in failure or end up becoming self-fullfilling. And by attacking kid Angron and weakening him enough to be captured by Nucerian enslavers (because not everybody is a perpetual or gets adopted by royalty) they not only got themselves killed, but also several sectors killed in the future, after Angron was ascended by Lorgar. Not to mention it was their own literal fuck ups that created the 4th Chaos god, the one Fulgrim fell to, which means the Eldar are also responsible for the deaths of Ferrus and Guilliman as well.

The entire Eldar race are the biggest cucks on the galaxy, even their gods are cucks. Isha is with Nurgle, who bitchslapped Slaanesh, Khaine is locked in chastity Avatars and Cegorach is a vouyerist who watches everything and jacks up locked in his black library. And that's Craftworld Eldar, Comorrites are even worse.

Angron is unfair tragedy, as he was doomed to die before the Great Crusade's end, and not even dying a warrior's death (he benchpresses titans) but of the nails. And a warrior's death was all he was looking for, yet the Emperor denied it to him on his very first day.

>You think he ever liked being angry?
"You are all so sure I should be thanking Him to live as a slave, when I was so close to dying free".
He lived as a slave, and after ascencion he was still a slave. Bet he didn't asked for it, asked for none of anything. He only wanted to die free.

You know it to be true, Uni.

he could have just sucked on a shotgun if he wanted to join his failure friends

He wanted to die a warrior's death along his brothers and sisters, that's not something you can get by berzerking on your own.
Also, wasn't Curze the one who sucked on a shotgun?

curze let an assassin kill him, which is actually suicide by definition

Curze wanted to die and be vindicated in his beliefs, and as far as he was concerned, he did it.

Angron whined about being a slave non-stop, then chose ETERNAL SERVITUDE to chaos.

I now like Medusas more.

If we pulled those conduits out of his skull, would he die?

Kurts girlfriend killed him

Didn't Lorgar make him a daemon against his will.
I feel sure I would have noticed.

>and Guilliman as well
What?

The Eldar old gods were well-balanced, until they forgot about them and went full chaotic (lowercase c). Those that escaped went too far the other way (extreme order, with the Path and all that). That’s where the Imperium is headed during the Great Crusade: extreme order, which comes with stagnation (scientific and cultural) and fragility in the face of new threats. Extreme emotion on one side, lack thereof on the other. The Eldar gods couldn’t thrive at either extreme… I don’t think Eldar or human civilization could, either.

...didn't Lorgar transformed him, without even asking him first?
So...CURZEFAG IS M'SHEN?!

depends on what versoin of the canon you're looking at, but getting bamboozled by lorgar doesn't make him any less of a complete failure

>that filename

I hope this is the last time I post this. Trying to finalize additions to my Death Guard. Could yall go over what I have and my planned stuff? See if I am missing something or if something seems non fitting to DG.

Haves
mortarion
10 grave warden
10 deathshroud
10x lascannon marines
Leviathan Dreadnought (phosphex discharger, heavy flamers 1 drill 1 claw)
9x Space Marine Rapier Quad Mortar
Space Marine Apothecary Set
10x Cataphracti Terminators Came with calth sets, plan to make them spam plasma
2x Calth box Praetor
2x calth box chaplain as artificer praetors
calth box contemptor 2 kheres
calth box contemptor 2 fist in built graviton gun
10x autocannon marines
10x heavy flamer marines
38x marines with boltor, pistol, cc weapon
4x sergeant
6 flamer
6 melta
6 plasma

Planned stuff.
marines to make 60 total boltors, 10 ea flamer/melta/plasma. 10 missile launchers.
3 rhinos
2 LR phobos
1LR proteus
1 LR achilles (or alpha?)
1 spartan
1 more contemtor to make 3 total
1 fellblade
1 typhon
1 xiphon or lightning?
1 sicaran
1 derdeo
1 medusa
vindicators? Dont need demolisher cannon I feel. Would laser detroyers fit DG?

It's from "Concerned Mother"

A two part doujin where AU Kurt Cobains Japanese wife fucks their crossdressing son while he(kurt) is playing baseball, he then comes home and they have a threeway.

A fitting title Thanks

That's a well used cannon there, user.

Are there more pics of Iron Warriors in MkII and III?

Ño

Oh.

If you run all 9 quad mortars at once we’re all going to hate you instead of giving you advice.

I think you’re too strong on anti-infantry, with good capabilities against light/medium vehicles but insufficient means to take on enemy flyers and heavy or super-heavy tanks. The Land Raiders would give you more lascannons (and, along with the Rhinos, pintle-mounted multimeltas) but you don’t have much against heavier vehicles. Just the Fellblade and Lightning. You have even less anti-air (just the twin Kheres Contemptor right now). The Deredeo will help, but that’s still not much for the sheer number of points you have. A Xiphon would help despite not feeling DG-ish.

I’d consider a Cerberus instead of the Typhon, and a Venator instead of a plain Sicaran. It’s either that or Laser Destroyers or Conversion Beamers.

Assembled my Kharybdis recently. Shit's massive, barely fits on my shelf. I used to question why FW gave it a flying base, now I realize it's because it wouldn't fit anywhere on the battlefield otherwise.

>tfw chewed out by grand battalion's techmarines for making a combi-lasvolkite weapon: dual Kalibrax V-1 lasrifles with collimators and blast-chargers combined with a volkite caliver

>Combilas-Volkite with Collimator & Blast Charger
What, you have pics of this heresy?

I figured running 9 would be fine in an apoc sized game. In normal games I was thinking 3-6.

I feel I am light on anti tank also. I have not played much but the few games I played the venator seemed to underperform. 2 shots as BS4 was not reliable in my games. Does it tend to do well and I just had a bad couple games? Would a second derdeo be good with the super lascannons? A lightning with the armor bane missiles might be good. The typhon is very fitting to DG so I do not want to give it up. Would a knight be able to fit the anti armor roll I need?

I do not know if laser destroyers fit DG but conversion beamers do not. They are too frail mechanically along with volkite. DG like vindicators so even is laser detroyers are not super DG them being on a vindi might fit.

What about another leviathan or 2? They can fit the melta lances. Not long range but can crack open boxes between lance and the armorbane fist.

Well, to be honest, I was also censured for removing the cyclone missile launcher from my cataphractii plate and transferring it to a suit of cataphractii primus I won in a raffle. To make matters worse, I traded the cyclone missile launcher for a darkfire cannon and mounted that on my new cataphractii primus. Not only were the techmarines furious, but the quartermasters and logistics officers were too.

Venators are great against superheavies because they can stunlock them, but they're mediocre against a wave of normal-sized tanks. Definitely run a Fellblade because that's good antitank using traditional technology. Maybe that means you should run a Malcador squadron!

The venator is more of a vehicle-supression tool than something that wrecks their shit. For that things with high volume of hight str shots are better, like Shattershell mortarts

>you know a unit is OP when it is the answer to every tactical question

Help me trim this list to 2500 and 2000. Also, it sadly just isn't fit for Ironfire. Not enough artillery, I don't think. Or maybe it is enough, I dunno.

Praetor and his bodyguards ride up in their land raiders alongside the Terminator elite, and hunt down the biggest, baddest thing the loyalists are bringing.

Iron Warriors Ironfire

HQ
-Legion Praetor, 100
+Catphractii Terminator Armor, 35
+Master Crafted Paragon Blade, 35
+Volkite Charger, 7
+Iron Halo, 10
+Digital Lasers, 15
Total, 202

Terminator Bodyguard Command Squad, 120
+Terminator Chosen, 30
+Power Fists, 20
Total, 170

Elites
Apothecarion Detachment, 45
+Apothecary, 45
+Artificer Armor, 10 (20)
Total, 110

Contemptor Cortus Dreadnought Talon, 135
+DCCW, free
+Chainfist, 10
+Two Graviton Guns, 30
+Extra Armor, 5
+Havoc Launcher, 15
Total, 185

2xLegion Terminator Squad, 175 (350)
+Power Fists, 25 (50)
Total, 200 (400)

Troops
-2xLegion Tactical Squad, 120 (240)
+10 Tacticals, 100 (200)
+Nuncio Vox, 10 (20)
+Sergeant Artificer Armor, 10 (20)
+Sergeant Melta Bombs, 5 (10)
Total, 245 (510)

Heavy Support
-Legion Medusa Battery, 155
+2 Medusas, 310
+Shrapnel Bolts, Free
+Extra Armor, 5
+Auxiliary Drive, 10
+Dozer Blade, 5
+Squadron Command Tank, 35
Total, 520

Land Raider Phobos, 225
+2xLand Raider Phobos, 450
+Dozer Blade, 5 (15)
+Shrapnel Bolts, Free
+Auxiliary Drive, 10 (30)
+Frag Assault Launchers, 10 (30)
+Extra Armor, 5 (15)
+Squadron Command Tank, 35
Total, 800

Complete Total, 2677 points

Any advice? Also, I wish FW had official Volkite sets for the Cataphractii.

Do you really need all those vehicle upgrades?

Quick if a black land raider still has its lights on which legion does it belong to? Note that it could belong to the SoH 1st company.

Probably not.


But who knows?

Dark Angles, I guess?

Should I replace my volkite caliver with a volkite culverin?

What Primarchs does /hhg/ own, and do you own more than 1?

The world may never known, user. Did you check the license plate?

It depends on if you want the squad to hold down a control point and score or not.

All of them. And not a single one built or painted.

I don't trust my appalling painting skills.

A black Land Raider could be:
Dark Angels', especially if it floats.
Imperial Fists', especially if it carries crusading men.
Iron Hands', especially if it repairs itself.
Sons of Horus', especially if it carries high ranking gang members
Salamander's Obsidian Forged, especially if it can't burn.
Raven Guard's, especially if it wasn't there a moment ago.

It's best to check the legion badge on the plate. Would a Proteus assigned to a Destroyer squad be black?

Aren't the Iron Warriors as technically proficient as the Iron Hands?

You forgot
Alpha Legion's, especially if you start seeing a lot of baldies

I will prolly get a venator now. Malcadors are too fast for DG.

So with a venator added whta all else would I need for anti tank?

Yes, Khorne. In fact, the Iron Warriors have a secret club dedicated to Beep Boops. Heck, Perturabo designed Cataphractii, iirc.

Perturabo was; but the rest of the legion weren't (notable exceptions being Dantioch; Forrix and the Warsmith)

Anyone done the strike team campaign? Any fun?

Not yet, but I'm planning on doing so once I and my friend buy and paint the beginning of our armies.

What are your armies?

Also, checked

Iron Warriors and Raven Guard. I'm still trying to think up of a list currently, he's still learning the rules to the game.

Also, Power Axes versus Power Fists.

On legion Terminators, it's Free S5 Unwieldy versus 5 PPM S8 Unwieldy Specialist Weapon.

They might be easier since they're overscaled. Have you painted any sort of infantry models?

Nope. My 300 or so Marines remain unbuilt and unpainted.

I'm gonna hold on to my hobby money for that Prospero Burns box.

Wh-why?

Well, in close combat the Power Fists kill on a 2+ versus most things, versus the Power Axes 3-4+. Though, if you give the whole squad them, it costs 25 points. I'd say it's worth it to give them the Power Fists. Anyone else agree?

Because I have no confidence in my painting skill. Also I plan to hammer out an army for all 18 Legions, and my hoarding is slowly building numbers up towards that goal.

user, the only way to get better is to just do it. I believe in you, user!

Also, what's you legion?

All of them. I could never pick one, so I decided I'd build a 1500 point force for all 18, along with their unique units and Primarchs.

Well.

Uh...

Good for you?

Pretty sure Ferrus Manus invented Cataphractii.

I'd take power fists every time. Lets you take out vehicles and instant death all those 2 wound terminators and characters.
Horus may be the best fighter but half a dozen terminators punching him in the kidneys with power fists bring him down pretty quick.

Start by painting one tactical dude from each legion. Prime half of them white, half black (might actually be 10 black and 8 white, or 11/7). Paint them badly. Call them Rainbow Squad #1.

Repeat.

You'll know which legion you want to paint after that, and you'll have two jabronies for each of your future legions. SW, NL, and UM are likely to be the easier ones.

You have too much money, let me help you carry it...