Napoleonic Fantasy Part 2: Don't Feed the Troll Edition

The point I made last thread wasn't that magic makes men braver but bravery powers the magic

>Didn't know there were so many black guys in the Napoleonic wars

Numerous black troops served in a variety of regiments, such as the Mamelukes, the Neapolitian "African" Regiment, the British "Royal American" Regiment, and so forth. French and British regiments which served in the Caribbean extensively recruited locals to bolster ranks devastated by disease, and naturally these recruits subsequently returned to Europe with their regiments later on. Captain Grattan of the 88th (Connaught Rangers) notes that several black soldiers served in that supposedly all-Irish regiment during the Peninsula War.

>several black soldiers served in that supposedly all-Irish regiment during the Peninsula War.
Those where just native Spaniards my friend.

>in that supposedly all-Irish regiment
What, you've never heard of Black Irish?

>several black soldiers served in that supposedly all-Irish regiment
Reminds me of this 1800's political cartoon.

IMO that's all from a couple hundred years earlier though. I don't think too many Napoleonic soldiers were wandering around watching out for swamp creatures - unless that's what we're calling Spanish guerillas now - so it's not really a belief of the day.

Seeing as the 88th was recruited from the Western Shore they would have had their share. But this user is correction in that they would have been Afro-Spaniards of various kinds.

>Master and Commander + sea monsters could be hilarious

The size of Kraken you would need to threaten even a frigate is way the fuck out of the low fantasy range.

what if its some kind of giant sea crab that gets on deck and starts snipping people in half?

Also who said low fantasy... I'd probably go for mid fantasy. lots of history, plenty of crazy fantasy shit, a real whirlwind of shit going down, with the players in the center.

Most soldiers from the time were still pretty religious, no reason not to play on that. Supernatural stuff works in any period really.

then how about stuff like aquatic dinosaurs and megalodons?

Bitches don't know about my nigger General Alex Dumas.

Not to mention Touissant L'Overture and all the Haiti stuff

Thats the great thing about the Napoleonic times - such a combination of combatants. How many different ethnicity were in Le Grande armee when they marched into Russia? more than 20? more than 50?

>Prussian
>Orcs

delet this.

>How many different ethnicity were in Le Grande armee when they marched into Russia? more than 20? more than 50?

2/3rds of the Grand Armee in 1812 were foreigners, from everywhere from Portugal to Denmark to Croatia to Sicily. I know there were a few Algerians, one of the skeletons recovered from the Vilnius mass grave discovered in 2001, and randomly tested, had genetic markers from there.

>Both warlike
>Both thrive off conflict

tell me you don't see it

B-but muh ordnung und disziplin.

I prefer the 30 years war myself.

Orcs can be disciplined and ordered, It was once said Saxons couldn't be disciplined and their military legacy is rife with it

Orcs dont really have the strict discipline and upper class royalty with fancy fine dinning and string quartets though. If anyone had to be orcs, it would be like the scots or something

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In Flintloque the Prussians ("Krautians") were Dwarves, it was the Brits ("Albioners") who were the Orcs

>orc in kilts doing the highland charge
Glorious.

>Tfw current setting is renaissance era fantasy custom setting
>goblins use thirty years war tactics, mass musket fire, boar riders, as well as ogres and hybrid monstrosities
>We play as low level vampires, gotta avoid most of the humans anyway
>Guards all have twin pistols and quick draw
>They fire both pistols at you then draw their saber and attack

Its a very fun setting to be part of, although currently the city we're in is under siege, so our ancient master vampire has us eliminating the main rulers so he can take control of the city and make a deal with the goblins - I just know it isn't going to end well....

Sorry I thought that guy was making suggestions for >I'd probably go for mid fantasy. lots of history, plenty of crazy fantasy shit, a real whirlwind of shit going down, with the players in the center.

Could you possibly be more vague lol

>They fire both pistols at you then draw their saber and attack
My favorite combo, next to fire a few volleys with the rifle then mass bayonet charge with a side of sword and halberd.

Still fucking tiny compared to a ship. Even a frigate of that time is really damn big, weighs thousands of tons, can launch thousands of pounds of metal in one broadside...

>Orc Highlanders

eh I guess, although I do love the Idea of Orc's learning discipline through years of military disasters and the advent of gunpowder largely sidelining their formidable strength in favor of dedicating themselves to the mastery of gunpowder warfare

>Ottoman Elves

all my yes

Sur but they could still do plenty of damage to a ship.

t b h I thin the Quing would be better elves, but they wouldn't see much use would they?

A single concentrated volley and then give the enemy cold steel or bust

I think the Infinity series of interactive novels is related to this, kinda

>setting is renaissance
>goblins use thirty years war tactics

So...what's the difference?

mmm them line formations and musket smoke everywhere

The main vessel in master and commander was acutally a smaller one, its based on the HMS Speedy: 200 tons, 14 guns.

Captain Jack Aubrey is based on Thomas Cochrane, who is quite a character, and would make an excellent PC:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cochrane,_10th_Earl_of_Dundonald#Service_in_the_Royal_Navy

The reason he was given such a shitty little ship is he was too much of an individual and tended to ignore orders and do his own thing. They gave him a crappy little 200 ton vessel and he was able to work absolute magic with it, capturing a Spanish vessel 4 times her size, and with 7 times more firepower, while only losing 3 men:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Speedy_(1782)#Speedy_and_Gamo

Either way, sea creatures are pretty much at the discretion of the DM, no matter what size your vessel is, a DM can still make them a threat, either by being fucking massive, interfering with weather, or just coming on deck and causing havoc on the crew.

When did this become a thing?

I've been working on a campaign in this regard for a while, and I'm about ready to roll it out. I wasn't aware this was a popular way to do things.

Larger armies, first of all. Thinner formations. Shallower Cavelery formations, favoring shock power. Lines instead of tercios.

Well Flintloque came out in 1995, and the Temeraire novels started in 2006; I don't know if there are earlier examples of Napoleonic fantasy.

Pretty much yesterday. Although many of us have always enjoyed the Napoleonic period. Very colorful time.

And that's ignoring the equipment difference.

The renaissance era encompasses the thirty years war. They were two ways of saying the same thing. That other user asking about the difference is just retarded.
Renaissance era: 14th to 17th century
Thirty Years war: 1618 - 1648

TYW is essentially late renaissance.

What? He walked into the african meatgrinder and slav (white nigger) freezer

Well, dunno if tactics include equipment.

The 17th century isn't part of the Renaissance era, at least not as a whole. Making the cut at the TYW is alright from a military point of view, considering how it changed the nature of war.

>TYW is essentially late renaissance.
In military history terminology the Renaissance period usually ends around 1600 as firearms become widespread, and turns in the Pike and Shot period until about 1720, from when it's the Musket Age.

>Well, dunno if tactics include equipment.
Nah, my mistake, but the equipment available will certainly decide how one approaches battle.

Aye, the age of the knight ends somewhere around the 1400-1500.

ELVEN HESSIANS

>not Half elf Janissaries and Elvish Ottomans

Neat.

Yes, yes. I play Napoleonic Wars for the linebattles all the time, it's great.

Angelos are Lizards, clearly.

Get out turkroach.

fuck off nationalist insalah

Spaniards dragonlike (greed and halfbreed happy)
French are frogs

Speedy was a brig, not a frigate. A small frigate would be 600 tons or so, on up to the super-frrigates or razees which were a thousand tons heavier or more.

When I was asking about the difference, I was poking fun at it being in the same period, so there isn't a difference.

Go back to bed baby Baba.

Angelos are clearly Dwarves.

Gruff, ugly, love mines, Love Stout and Beef. Unrefined but disciplined and stubborn. Love facial hair like beards and mutton chops.

French are Elves.

Haughty, skilled combatants, Veterans of many wars who work from experience. Passionate in the arts. Favor the mustache.

It's why they have such a long standing rivalry.

funny but seriously stop /int/posting it stiffles creativity

Pretty much everyone back then was wearing a beard, mustache, sideburns, or some combo thereof.

Well clearly fantasy Napoleonic wars was started because the Elven Emperor had no facial hair like a proper Demi-human should.

Oh jeez, I can't wait until Dice makes a Napoleonic Wars FPS
>France isn't a playable nation
>The main character for the campaign is a black Italian of the Old Guard... somehow serving the Kingdom of Italy... because why the fuck not
>Black Russians, black British, the whitest soldiers are Ottomans

>Elves
>Mustache
Wot? Elves rarely have any facial hair.

I'm aware of that, which is why I specified looking at smaller ships. I never mentioned Frigates.

Napoleonics are great fun to play even without fantasy. So many different unit types and tactics. great combined arms

Hobgobs.

Remember that the Prussian upperclass were descendant of the Teutonic Knights that converted to Lutheranism. I would think a fantasy version would have been descendant of a ruthless knightly/paladin order that converted either to a heresy or a different god but still preserved their martial and knightly spirit while gradually becoming more and more secular.

Perhaps Not!Prussian kings and generals are still expected to slay a dragon at some point or ride a Griffin or something else paladins used to do back in the old days.

Also to note on top of that, the Austrian Habsburgs claimed to be the lawful successors of the Western Roman Emperors as re-established by the Papacy and Charlemagne. Even after Napoleon dissolved the Holy Roman Empire the Austrian Archduke/King would hold the title of Caesar until the end of World War I.

If there was some sort of fantasy empire in this setting's past like Rome/Gondor/Valyria/etc., complete with dragon or giant eagle motifs for their symbol, then not!Austrian Habsburgs would claim to be their successors, despite this upstart from not!France claiming to be the first great emperor reborn.

At this point I think I'm the only one in this thread but screw it I'm writing anyways.

Not!Spain is the last great colonial empire before the others got in on the action and many wars mad it a lot more of a competitive playing field. But the reason they became that in the first place was because they are the last remnant of a Not!Crusader state and first sons of the Church/Temple. After centuries of pushing the infidels out of their lands and purging non believers they were stagnant for a bit until one of their minor kingdoms, Not!Portugal, found a way to circumvent the sea routes that were being blocked by the infidels. Along the way they found new lands, new routes to the far side of the globe, and new peoples to convert to the true religion.

Of course a few wars and a golden age of piracy later, they are now the still large but declining empire. And they do not take kindly to this would be atheist emperor claiming to be true ruler of the continent.

Deus Vult.

Anybody have more fantasy or sci fi styled after the French Revolution? I'm actually running a game of Only War adapted into a homebrew based off of the Napoleonic Wars era so some of these ideas are pretty handy.

NotAustria should also have lots of different races in it's empire, like how Austria had a lot of different ethnicities in it aswell. Dwards from the Alps, (probably a couple of different tribes aswell). Some orcs in the marhes, elves from the Old empire and a lot of minor races.

I kind of agree with others in this thread that we should not categorize nations by fantasy race. However, having fantasy races mixed in to the nations a bit like how Eberron did it seems doable.

I hesitate to call it Austria since that only included the archduchy part of the Habsburgs lands. The Kingdoms of Hungary and Bohemia were also a part of it, but rule by the same king and dynasty.

But I mention that for a reason. Not!Austria should show some last vestiges of old feudalism in its attempt to be an absolute monarchy. You would still have castles, knights, and old monasteries. The nobles mostly live in palaces instead of castles that they own, and the knights are just honorary titles for military officers, but they try to call back to their legacy of fighting enemies of the kingdom, saving damsels, and hunting monsters.

Basically, Not!Austria should have a nobility trying to hold on to old feudal/fantasy-kingdom images for the sake of austerity, even if they do not believe it. But with a multi-ethnic nobility and people, that image can only go so far without breeding conflict so the Emperor probably does his best to keep the nobles occupied with either entertainment or foreign wars.

I should I like how Pillars of Eternity did their version of the Old World Empire being a dual monarchy between a human and an elf who rule as a couple but each have their own family. Not!Austria could probably have something like that, even if it is not specifically humans and elves that make up the dual-monarchy.

I have started a google document I intend to edit and have others contribute. I will be typing stuff up as time goes throughout the week.

docs.google.com/document/d/1lHn_ulWBBei-Yt1FJqUmEYE8oXUUhkTrh-9CN6pN0Uw/edit?usp=sharing

youtube.com/watch?v=dzPLmDdtj_4

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Look at that huge flying bullet sponge.

>persian dark elves
>mughal half-orc/elves
>chinese elans
>elves conquered aasimar/tiefling byzantium

This shit writes itself!

This is some good stuff user. Keep it up!

No. Too close. Back dat ass up.

That might be the point. Dragon scales can resist bullet fire so it acts as a target and giant fear tactic while also getting a good view of the enemy.

Wait, so like a latter-day Bretonnia? I dig it.

>No. Too close. Back dat ass up.

Too close to what?

Kind of a cross between Bretonnia and The Empire of the Old World. But yeah.

Dragons could act as a magical napalm dropper

I think your Not!Spain is a little too on the nose. I mean, we should either find a different angle to push or replace it with some other concept. Maybe just make the whole region more like Portugal. Or, play off the fact that Portugal had to abandon Europe for a while and rule from Brazil. Maybe in this world the Iberian equivalent went the way of Atlantis, forcing the monarchy to relocate their capital to the colonies.

Perhaps in its history but if we make the religion quite different and make the nation have gone through a metamorphosis due to its imperial power it could work. Say it grew out of a crusader state but it in itself is a wholly different empire now focused more on colonial power instead of protecting its so-called holy places.

I'd still want an ostentatious monarchy complete with dwarf servants in the palace and inbred kings. I want to see a once great Crusader order of knights reduced to a palace guard.

I like the atlantean idea for Not!Portugal (even though it actually happened because of Napoleon's invasion, not before it).

Okay, continuing this trend of covering the great powers I still have left Russia, Great Britain, the Ottoman Caliphate, and France...... and I really do not know what I am going to do about some of them.

If Not!Russia should reflect anything from Russia, it's that Russia was odd. Russia is a European power but it is a very latecomer while probably being the one nation in Europe that could rival Napoleon's empire at its height. But Russia just a century ago had decided to modernize and be like the other European powers. Before then they were a very odd, Eurasian Slavic people with strange customs, strange version of the same religion, and strange laws.

A fantasy Not!Russia for this period should look like a strange collection of Grand Dukes with Fae ancestry and dealings with the strange spirits of the land and forest, but recently united under a powerful emperor. These emperors started as just the most powerful of these princes before modernizing a hundred years ago and making it a great colonial empire that expanded over the eastern horizon. Where axes were used once, now are muskets. Where was once old dealings with fae are now new dealings with trade routes and empires of the east. The united army still gets its generals from these princes so you may see strange denizens of the forest and snow making up the auxilliary: Not!Cossacks and the like. Perhaps the Orcish Not!Tartars make up part of their cavalry, for they have long beaten back the great Orc Chief that once devastated them. They are now a new empire, but they are patient. They can outlast this upstart in the west who wants to unite the lands. They can outlast revolutions.