I was playing Necrons and was kinda curious why 40k have so many useless rules and stats like LD.
Then i started IG.
Pic related is fucking awesome codex, when every point of leadership is important, army building is almost autistically complicated and i love it comparing to borecron 7ed necron codex.
Now i wonder how they will butcher this codex in next edition, i assume: > no platoons, cause they are too complicated to understand by kids > no "no slot" units like priests, cause kids cannot understand they are not obligatory HQ etc. > "decurion" and boring formation instead of customizable army > formation bonuses instead of orders
Just see Cadian supplement, i hate this shit.
How much time do you think we have to enjoy this codex untill they will butcher it into shit? Any leaks about Guard? Just started it but i think just before disaster...
Isaiah Sullivan
>every point of leadership is important Just throw a priest in to every squad and never have to worry about it again.
Ryan Collins
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Chase Hill
gaurds already squatted they are going to put all the guard stuff in genecults and chaos cultists and even orks. the army is literally over because its to omuch like WHFB where every one uses 3rd party guardsmen. they will NEVER make a astra militarum replacement so your stuck with it forever. be glad. militarum tempestus inquisitors sister of battle and arbites/grayknights will be redone into a "imperium guard" codex because gw knows no one legaly buys that m any guardsman.
Wyatt Sanchez
so yer old ig is FW only now. new IG will be awesome and prob launched after the necromunda boardgame that will introduce "new sisters" and "new arbites" oh yer and scions are the new guard. lewl. no more sub flak armor or flak armor its just too many models to paint. expect orks
Gavin Gutierrez
What's this about Strike Force Malomar in White Dwarf?
Jose Martin
if they give IG stuff to Genecults. then chaos then forces of Imperium then greyknights then orks you know ya astra mil wil never ever ever get updated but we have to wait n c. I'm think 99%. if you want a IG update use the 6 lists FW make and update regularly. the new ig will prob just copy solar aux. but use shitty sicon models.+ all that other crap as elites and maybe might not even use the leman russ. to represent the old guard being overthrown .. sorry mate. Leman russ codex incoming for easier allies and more loadouts picking which guardsmen are piloting them (that are left). the relics of the imperium have been lost to the warp my friend. you realise they almost didn't release astra militarum it took a month of bitching and moaning on Veeky Forums to get them to rush it out and most of the art in it looks rushed. it was only put out because people didn't want the militarum tempest book two and the fact cadia was digital only says a lot. they have stoped printing thous minis man and are now just figuring out ways of seling them in other armys. guard will NEVER be updated and its already sub compedative.
Benjamin Wilson
>sub-flak U wot m8
Asher Thompson
>yfw "Age of the Emperor" reboot will roll up every army into "Imperium", "Xenos" and "Chaos" >yfw you will be able to field Taudar cheese armies with no restrictions whatsoever >yfw no point limits
Samuel White
So Fires of Cyraxus is delayed while Forge World works on book 7 of HH.
Jack Bailey
vanilla marines aren't obsolete because there's 6 versions of meq. if anything it should give you hope for those other geqs coming out. it'd be nice to get something besides cadians
Nathan Garcia
Sub-flak, 6+ human armour. Flak, 5+ human armour, standard issue for guard. Carapace, 4+ human armour. Power armour, 3+ for space marines and variants for humans.
Aiden Sanchez
Tau and Eldar would be the only Xenos. Orks and Nids would end up with Chaos.
Blake Gomez
Flak would only be 5+ against blast weapons and pie plates.
Charles Fisher
Its not about fearless, its about orders and other tests. Priests also get bonus from LD for their tests so i usually give psyker to same squad or even comissar for more fluffy/friend lists.
Eli Moore
>guard will NEVER be updated and its already sub compedative.
I'd be perfectly fine with it. I am more worried about "updates" like Cadian if they replace current codex with bullshit "decurions" like those.
In my opinion, IG is not top-tier but perfect for me mid-tier. So i can play without anyone complain about "OP" (my Necrons are usually blamed for being OP, even if i dont spam wraiths/decurions etc), so i can try hard with sub-optimal army with skill and 2 wyverns and actually achieve tasty victory.
Austin Rogers
Good, they have been working on HH7 for a long time now. I'm glad they are getting it done.
Angel Murphy
Had a close game today, 1500 Eldar vs Necrons. Turning point was when my Fire Prism took out his Monoloth (it was a casual game) when it was on 2HP with a pen. He just didn't have enough firepower after that. On a side note, how the fuck do I kill an Orikan deathstar? Threw everything I had at that thing for a solid turn, didn't kill anything. That fugging 4+ RP is ridiculous, although as Eldar I guess I can't complain. Eventually I won because of First Blood and Linebreaker, but it went right down to the wire. Super fun game. Anyone else had any good games recently?
Oh yeah and he's giving one of his immortals a name and a backstory now, because one turn it tanked 12 twinlinked shuriken cannon shots and didn't die. Fucker was still alive at the end of the game, too, last in his unit.
Cameron Cooper
I'd really buy updated Valhallans. They actualy could make profit with snow mat and other winter-themed bullshit around it.
Imagine Valhallans vs Orks campaign update. Why the fuck GW don't want our money.
Chase Williams
why are all the hardbacks sold out and will they restock them?
Ryan Roberts
What does a fenrisian Death Star look like? What does a Space Wolf kill team look like?
Brayden Diaz
If it was Shield lychguard orikanstar just dont even bother trying to kill it. Only one effective way is Wraithknight with D-sword and lucky stomp. Thats only one thing that i am afraid using lychstar. Otherwise just dodge it - move away with your extra mobile army. It's almost unkillable.
Fun thing i usually got same luck with immortals vs eldar. Had a lot of fun when they tanked impossible amount of scattershit and then tesled with 6-spam toasting those jetbikes.
Thomas Brown
Necrons.
Leo Phillips
Nah, it was scytheguard, but they still just did. Not. Go. Down. I'm not taking a WK until 2k points, but how would Wraithguard do? With their range, they'd only get one shot, but maybe if I took the flamers? I mean, I don't wanna pull cheesy bullshit, but this is an orikanstar we're talking here; are D-scythe guard justified?
Logan Stewart
Plus Eldar are gonna get nerfed so hard we faceplant into the bottom of the heap next edition.
Levi Reed
Actually D-Scythes are considered better and more cheese. If you field them on foot they are fine. Actually i beat eldars with my necrons every time (and he is using them and WK). In current meta i'd say wraithguards are totally fine. Without them its hard to kill a Knight etc.
Problems are when people scouting them in tanks (giving them 12' forward + 6' move 1st turn) or deepstriking without scatter with dark eldar, killing anyhing they want on the board 1 or 2 turn.
Sebastian Baker
>eldar ever getting a bad update
Cameron Baker
Oh yeah I know they are more cheesy with the scythes, that's why I was asking. And we're not taking superheavies until we hit 2000pts, just seems like the game should be balanced like that. Cool, I know what I'm buying next. Thanks!
Liam Sanders
R8 my list.
Not playtested so I'm just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.
Jose Gutierrez
So I am planning on making an exodite army but I have not kept up with Codex Eldar.
1) Can Wraithblades be troops?
2) How big is the Wraith Knight compared to the Lizardmen carnosaur
3) Do they still have a seperate Wraithseer?
4) Would Eldar surfing on terradons like hover boards look too silly?
Easton Gray
If your friend is playing Necrons you don't have to afraid. Necrons SHV are garbage.
What Necron player can do to annoy you is fielding 20+ wraiths.But then again, scytheguards are kinda counter for them.
I don't like the idea of D-weapon on infantry, but if you want to make your list more effective without WK it's a good way to go.
Also try to use wraithlord. I am not eldar player, but when i play necrons i have serious problem with that unit killing me in melee and hurting in range too. I treat it almost like a WK.
Also warpspiders and those long range tanks with I-testing weapons are annoying when i play necron vs eldar games.
Jaxson Davis
> i want to proxy Wraithknight
Please just die.
Jackson James
I just want a big Dinosaur man.
I don't even want to use Jetbikes, I just want dino cavalry, some rangers for a little bulk and some big Dinosaurs.
Oliver Cook
Well, these are friendly games, so I don't want to pull a That Guy, but on the other hand literally nothing I have is effective against the Orikanstar. I will deffo consider the Wraithlord, it's one of the units I wanted from the start anyway (started collecting this year). I went Iyanden because I love the fluff, it wasn't until I had like 3 units pained I found out Eldar were OP. Hence why I'm a bit cautious about taking the good stuff. But I do field Guardians and Vypers too, so maybe it balances out? Food for thought here, I'll have to make some decisions.
Jaxson Ross
Eldar were top tier in 6th edition before they got BUFFED in 7th edition
Ian Watson
1)wraithblades cannot be troops, but forgeworld did release an alternate core-formation for the warhost that can have 3 wraithblades. Additionally, the Wraithhost formation exists that is 3 units wraithguard/blades, 1 lord, 1 knight, and one spirit seer.
2) no, idea, but the wraithknight is fucking huge.
3) forgeworld produces a wraithseer, yes
4) if they were surfing, probably. if they were riding like normal people, that would look better
Gabriel Russell
I know what you mean but the idea of
>sit down and ride your pteradon like a normal person!
That gets to me
Logan Moore
Yeah, but people have been bitching about us, justifiably, for years now. Can't help but think we're gonna get a well-deserved spanking.
William Cox
>Chaos Space Marines
What went so pathetically wrong?
William Carter
Apparently.
Carson Torres
>implying there is an upside to age of the Emperor Top armies hate it because they become average Joe's and skaven suddenly become awesome because everything was shit.
Oliver Butler
You guys basically want all the Codex Space Marines goodies while also having all the cool Chaos stuff too.
No, you don't deserve ATSKNF stop fucking bitching about it. If you want it, play loyalists.
I'd be willing to let you guys have drop pods, but that's it.
Benjamin Green
well for starters they betrayed the emperor
Isaac Campbell
I would say the carnosaur is too little for a wraithknight, the triceratops would fit better that roll, the carnosaur would be a wraithlord
Ryan Cook
Pre HH SM all had it. Why would going to chaos suddenly remove what's genetically bred out of them.
Nicholas Sanders
>unironically liking ATSKNF rule
Joseph Taylor
Because CSM are in it for their own power and advancement. They'd rather retreat to fight another day than make a heroic last stand. You guys are just pissed that loyalists get a great rule. OH NO WE ONLY VOTLW ITS NOT AS GOOD!
You also get to buy CCWs, Marks, and Icons.
Stop bitching.
Lincoln Morris
>Pre HH SM all had it actually they didn't
ATSKNF is a result of guilliman's reforms and methods of recruiting/training.
Daniel Bell
Wrong read thousand sims where Ahriman specifically says this.
Ryder Morgan
I don't play the sims that's a game for girls.
Matthew Rivera
Fuck you, Thousand Sons
Wyatt Lopez
The grass is always greener. As a Blood Angels player I'd love to be able to buy an extra CCW for my tactical marines or have permanent Initiative 5.
Gavin Cruz
Yeah I know, they suck.
Bentley Myers
SEE THIS FUCKING "REACTION" IMAGE ONE MORE TIME I'M GOING TO FART YOU OUT OF EXISTENCE I SWEAR