THE HEKTOR HERESY

Sure.

>>Couldn't messages be transported by hand through voidships?
>They can, although the Vetrovnak also wreak havoc on Imperial shipping. The Imperium does re-establish communications, it's just that Ultima is freaking huge.
40K communication is shitty, but for "We're pretty sure this chapter is gone because we're not getting any messages from them" level the most feasible options is a warp storm. A blockade would need to be airtight, and that's kind of difficult in space.

>> I can save myself a lot of work if I push the Pacificus Campaign into the Great Scouring.
>I'm not sure I see it, but maybe?
Okay, so everything under the Pacificus Campaign on the Markian Corps page? I move it to the Scouring instead of the Heresy. Bam, no longer have to write for the Scouring. Just need to flesh out the defense of the Al-Sherar Sector more. Give a few edits to the Pacificus Campaign, and I can introduce the Psi-titans legion on Cykarox. After that, if Alexandri is cool with it, I can write for the Rosskan Strelky in the Heresy and the Scouring.

Quite possibly, I can make Markia, Ciban IV, and Rosskar the trinity that sets the foundation for the Imperial Guard.

Life gets easier for me.

>40K communication is shitty, but for "We're pretty sure this chapter is gone because we're not getting any messages from them" level the most feasible options is a warp storm. A blockade would need to be airtight, and that's kind of difficult in space.
Yeah, so I kinda go into more detail with it on the Incursion page, but the basic deal is that the main relays in Ultima get nommed and the remaining astropaths are freaking out and whole planets are being kidnapped and the Warp is just insane for ages.

Plus the Stone Men make for the very edge of the Galaxy because... umm... I guess they think that's where the Vetrovnak came from?

AHHHHHHHHHHH

>Psi-titans legion
Is this like...Something EVERYONE is chill with?

Cause, like, they were/are super classified last I checked, and this isn't Asunder levels of silliness right?

If in doubt, I always advocate for less silliness, rather than more.

But that's just me.

>Cause, like, they were/are super classified last I checked, and this isn't Asunder levels of silliness right?
It dates back to Rogue Trader. Page 7 of Adeptus Mechanicus. It's not really one of the sillier things from that time.

Not like it's infeasible. You can either find the most powerful psykers and use them as princepes, or get a council of psykers inside of a titan's cockpit. Either way, it would be a powerful weapon against Chaos.

For clarification the text in the Great Crusade section of the Crimson Eagles is fucked up (its in a text box) and I don't know why or how to fix it.

Okay, not too unreasonable I suppose.

What are the chances of our Grey Knights having one? Just a hypothetical, since the idea is growing on me

Same, but the idea has grown on me, and I'll probably utilize it later. There's a distinct difference between silly and fun, however slight

>For clarification the text in the Great Crusade section of the Crimson Eagles is fucked up (its in a text box) and I don't know why or how to fix it.
Fixed.

>What are the chances of our Grey Knights having one? Just a hypothetical, since the idea is growing on me
Having a titan? Now THAT is silly, and that's coming from someone who has giant dogs and Metal Gear in their plans for the future.

As parts of separate institutions, and the Adeptus Mechanicus being what it is, that the neutral-colored feudal warriors would have a titan is rather far-fetched. In all likelihood, though, they would work together. They would also both have origins in the Hektor Heresy, as they both intended to be weapons against Chaos.

The titan legion moreso than the other guys

What was the issue? I'm not quite sure what I did

Is it the Great Scouring or the Great Scourging?

I say we need MORE psy-titans (and other silly shit). Warhammer doesn't always have to be grimdark and gritty/realistic. We can still do some really bonkers stuff.

Hell, 80% of the setting is bonkers in some way, we just don't notice it as much as much because we're used to it.

For example, if you're looking at things practically, the crazy part of "psy-titan" isn't the "psy".
>mfw accidentally admitting the tau did something right

Scouring.

Titans are kind of counterproductive, given the Grey Knight's mission statement. If things have gotten that bad that the grey knights need a titan, they've already fucked up bad.

>and that's coming from someone who has giant dogs and Metal Gear in their plans for the future.

O fuk.

I was planning on Caligor becoming a Big Boss like character and the Crimson Eagles becoming like the MSF/Diamond Dogs

>For example, if you're looking at things practically, the crazy part of "psy-titan" isn't the "psy".
Both parts of that are crazy.

>Titans are kind of counterproductive, given the Grey Knight's mission statement. If things have gotten that bad that the grey knights need a titan, they've already fucked up bad.
There isn't a magical wizard Godzilla the Grey Knights can count on, so they'll have to settle with titan support.

I was just gonna do an unconvention IG regiment centered around walking artillery.

Mostly I just can't see more than a few handfuls of these psy-titans existing in the entire Imperium.

They'd be arcane technology on the very highest echelon of rarity and difficulty to construct.

Fair point. The idea has been discarded. Besides if we do fully evolve this house Idea they should have specialists for pretty much every contingency

Hey, you're right man. Hell, I'm eventually going to pull something like complete with RULES OF NATURE heretek cyborgs, a metal gear like super weapon in their back pocket, and psycho mantis psykers.

Hopefully not AS on the nose, though

That's why I liked ronin's samurai dudes and this whole house idea. Is fun

Anyways, back to the salt mines

>There isn't a magical wizard Godzilla the Grey Knights can count on
Actually...

I'd been having trouble coming up with unique LoW slots for the Adepts (Grey Knight equiv), and wizard godzilla might work...

Maybe Tiran's sons lend them some overgrown sors, and the Adepts do some crazy gene manipulation shit to make their ew dinosaur become an immortal psyker wizard dude.

That might actually be a cool way of introducing dragons to the setting. Massive, overgrown gene-manipulated wizard lizards that live forever and learn all kinds of arcane lore as they study over time. I might have to see if I can actually make this a thing.

On second thought, they'd work far better as a xenos race than an imperial client race.

I imagine personalities somewhere between D&D dragons and the Leviathan from mass effect, looking like a giant cybernetic dinosaur serpent thing.

>I'd been having trouble coming up with unique LoW slots for the Adepts (Grey Knight equiv), and wizard godzilla might work...
NO.

>Maybe Tiran's sons lend them some overgrown sors, and the Adepts do some crazy gene manipulation shit to make their ew dinosaur become an immortal psyker wizard dude.
The resulting abomination is a creature of warp-taint and an agent of Chaos.

Yeah, they couldn't work too well within the imperium, but someday I might right up a xenos race of psychicly powerful giant immortal lizards who rule over weaker-minded slaves.

What if the big four houses' psykers can call upon their lost progenitors, or a projection of a hero of old or an avatar of their house.

Like the Ronin house (House Orochi?) could summon their lost Primarch like Kaldor Draigo, or create a mind projection of him.

Or the Puritan House (House Seraph?) could have a Sanguinor figure, like the blood angels, be it summoned or spontaneously generated via their gestalt zeal. It would be even funnier if we made them like Black Templars and fluffed their psyker powers like the Space Yiffs
>"ITS TOTALLY NOT MAGIC YOU FAGS!"

The shooty house (House Executor?) Could have phantom marines, like legion of the damned type dudes, for melee coverage

The Eagles house could have an Avatar of Khaine or Emperor's Champion like dude who gets jacked on holy fury and charges into battle shooting off blast templates.

So I was thinking, that with the fiasco with Anorexia the Markian Corps would be aware of the existence of daemons. They wouldn't believe any excuses about xenos or mutants or whatnot; they'd hear about it, see pictures taken by scout craft, and they'd go like,"We need an old priest and a young priest for this shit."Thus they would embrace the Imperial Cult much easier than the Cibanese who did not experience the horror of Nurgle firsthand.

They would also have a fervent hatred of Nurgle in particular.

>Like the Ronin house (House Orochi?) could summon their lost Primarch like Kaldor Draigo, or create a mind projection of him.
NOOOOO

>Or the Puritan House (House Seraph?) could have a Sanguinor figure, like the blood angels, be it summoned or spontaneously generated via their gestalt zeal. It would be even funnier if we made them like Black Templars and fluffed their psyker powers like the Space Yiffs
nooooo

>The shooty house (House Executor?) Could have phantom marines, like legion of the damned type dudes, for melee coverage
Yeahno.

>The Eagles house could have an Avatar of Khaine or Emperor's Champion like dude who gets jacked on holy fury and charges into battle shooting off blast templates.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

You dont even want to change the grey knights, shush. Adults are talking

Oh, and for tenacious house what about House Canis? Their symbol would be a Pit Bull or something.

Or House Ares, and it would be a ram.

It would very from group to group. I'll have to give it some thought.

Also, at this point I'm fairly close to ruling out the eagles (at least in their BURN THE KIDS TOO) form from the OMCM. We don't want Khornate marines in an anti-chaos force.

Chill zorg, he's just trying to suggest unique units/LoW's for each house.

As their current culture has yet to be established (and won't be, till I start cross-balancing within the codex), speculation may be fun, but may be wasted effort, as changes will likely be made later on.

Oh and btw, you got any other good anime music stuff? Because that german japanese thing was pretty great.

Literally the only thing that stops me from making the Crimson Eagles a Khornate legion is that Infernox fella.

I would post the Attack on Titan soundtrack, but that shit doesn't have any YouTube vids because of Attack on Lawyers.

I can't think of any other good, dark, anime shit like that besides Attack on Titan's soundtrack.

I have this from a Japanese game though.
youtube.com/watch?v=CEk6cKo1l8Y

Less grim, but more German. Japan loves them some German.

youtube.com/watch?v=cmhV_Ca8Bww

Not anime at all, just neat.
youtube.com/watch?v=X6s6YKlTpfw

Make them Chaos United where they fall to all the gods but remain united anyway.

Actually I'm just having them go renegade, go full outer heaven then have a Dispute of Iron like civil war were the legion fractures into a horde of microfactions that all want the Eagles to be one thing or another. At this point the Loyalists take the opportunity to Exterminatus Haravi. After that the legion bands back together for the most part, with the chaos aligned microfactions fuck off to do their own thing

So I kinda get my cake and eat it too, I suppose

You angered the machine-spirit.

Space at the start of the paragraph tells the wiki to do a code box.

FUCK

Also thanks, important tip

So I was looking for other anime German songs when I ended up off the rails and into the animated musicals section of Youtube, and I found this.

youtube.com/watch?v=s2A3LaYDlHM

I'm gonna do Exodus now.

But with Chaos.

There's nothing that says we can't have more than one legion falling to any specific god. Khorne is the strongest Chaos God, and the one whose sphere of influence most closely relates to the Astartes, so it makes sense that he might draw the attention of more than one legion. Plus, just because the OU did it one way...

Thanks, I'll look into those. Also, is it just me, or is it painfully obvious how terrible their german pronounciation is, even though I don't even speak german?

>Thanks, I'll look into those. Also, is it just me, or is it painfully obvious how terrible their german pronounciation is, even though I don't even speak german?
I wouldn't know, ask a German.

Also, watching Anastasia right now. Relevant, Alexandri?

If a Markian and a Rosskan have a baby, is the baby a Communist?

I've been playing around with names for our daemon hunters. These aren't meant to be final or set in any way, but instead act as inspirations for better names, ya dig?

>Adeptus Daemonica
>Chambre Obscura (The chambres militant would be known as Chambre [Whatever])
>Divina Militum
>Divine Fraternity of Knights in the Defense of Mankind in Service of the Most High Throne of Terra and His Immortal Grace, the God-Emperor of Man
>Knights Nikitís
>Templars Exemplar
>Mournwatch
>Fratis Exorcisia

Or something, naming these guys in particular is difficult.

I'd like to stick with Ordo Malleus, but if I may, with the soon-to-be-introduced Legio Maleficarum (Hammer of the Witches) and some third party, we could have a trinity of daemon-hunting organizations called...

>Ordo Trinitas
>Adeptus Trinitas
>Trinita Malleus

>Divine Fraternity of Knights in the Defense of Mankind in Service of the Most High Throne of Terra and His Immortal Grace, the God-Emperor of Man
I like that one.

I think there's an important factor to consider here: we don't need one name, we need five (or possibly four, depending on how Ronin's feeling).

I think the overall order, the entire chambre militant itself could well have one of those long, silly, yet historically referential names that the old monastic militant orders had, like "The Honourable Brotherhood of the Most Devout Adepts of the Glorious Golden Throne of Terra," or your idea up there. Each individual brotherhood, however, should have a name befitting their style.

I'm finally getting bored of The Long Dark, so I should actually have some time to work on the Crunch and Fluff tomorrow.

>I'd like to stick with Ordo Malleus
The Ordo Malleus will still exist, we're talking about their chambre militant. The same way that the Adeptus Sororitas aren't called the Ordo Hereticus, and the Deathwatch aren't called the Ordo Xenos, it wouldn't make much sense to call the OMCM the Ordo Malleus.

Yeah, thats a fair point desu. But I'm kinda married to the idea of them being free agents, then some of the newer dudes falling to chaos then getting told to pack their fucking bags.

They'll work with chaos aligned factions, especially if it means undermining the Imperium or saving their own hides, but I think Caligor is too stuborn and too burned out with shitty commanders to really let anyone be above him, much less another god

>The Ordo Malleus will still exist, we're talking about their chambre militant. The same way that the Adeptus Sororitas aren't called the Ordo Hereticus, and the Deathwatch aren't called the Ordo Xenos, it wouldn't make much sense to call the OMCM the Ordo Malleus.
Ooooh.

I like Grey Knights.

We need a legio of scout-class invesitagation titans who carefully comb through the teeming hives watching for chaos and corruption, effortlessly blending in with the human populations until the time is right to let loose their apocalyptic weapons. Some of them could even be your psi-titans.

>We need a legio of scout-class invesitagation titans who carefully comb through the teeming hives watching for chaos and corruption, effortlessly blending in with the human populations until the time is right to let loose their apocalyptic weapons. Some of them could even be your psi-titans.
>invesitagation titans
>effortlessly blending in with the human populations
What the fuck did I just read?

>But I'm kinda married to the idea of them being free agents
Could be like Nightlords and the Black Legion, where most remain unsworn but some give service to a specific god.

Doesn't work all that well, considering that only one of the brotherhoods has strong knightly overtones. If you're really that fond of the grey knights, we could just say fuck it and make the "puritans" basically just vanilla Grey Knights. It would be uninspired, sure, but the grey knights are pretty badass and I could see why people might want to keep them around.

>What the fuck did I just read?
You read something glorious.

I support this one trillion percent, get that shit written up.

The multiple Legions for a Chaos God path has been trod before and certainly doesn't conjure up happy memories. My take on it is that the AU shouldn't take sides too hard otherwise we (a) get bogged down in arguments over which gods are worthy of how many Legions and (b) annoy readers who are not partisans of the winner of those arguments.

(And yes, this thing has readers.)

Subtle trolling of the "Space Marine Spies!" trope?

>giant metal monstrosities patrolling the cities to watch for deviants and mutants
So... Basically sentinels for x men?

>Doesn't work all that well, considering that only one of the brotherhoods has strong knightly overtones. If you're really that fond of the grey knights, we could just say fuck it and make the "puritans" basically just vanilla Grey Knights. It would be uninspired, sure, but the grey knights are pretty badass and I could see why people might want to keep them around.

>You read something glorious.
>I support this one trillion percent, get that shit written up.
Are we just trying to be as retarded as possible now? A 300-ton war machine cannot disguise itself as a person.

>Subtle trolling of the "Space Marine Spies!" trope?
Prolly. Hide post, move on.

Nononononononononono

You misunderstand (and if all your flat out rejections of ideas have been based on simple misunderstandings we're fighting)

The Ordos are the ordos, factions within the Inquisition. I'm talking about what this Chambre Militant is called

Fugg of

Kek, I like your style sn

>>Doesn't work all that well, considering that only one of the brotherhoods has strong knightly overtones. If you're really that fond of the grey knights, we could just say fuck it and make the "puritans" basically just vanilla Grey Knights. It would be uninspired, sure, but the grey knights are pretty badass and I could see why people might want to keep them around.
Forgot to reply to that. Or maybe I didn't. I don't remember what I was gonna say.

Should I make a page for the Pacificus Campaign?

The supporting it thing was a joke, as I'm pretty sure that's just an X-Men reference.

The Ordos =/= their chambres militant was not.

>The Ordos =/= their chambres militant was not.
Your face isn't a joke. Oh!

In the spirit of the OP I'm gonna try and write a short story for the Justicars. Wish me luck.

>A 300-ton war machine cannot disguise itself as a person
Well according to GW, the codexes are the only source of hard canon, and Creed can pass off a warlord titan as a shrubbery in-game, so its not that implausible.

>Well according to GW, the codexes are the only source of hard canon, and Creed can pass off a warlord titan as a shrubbery in-game, so its not that implausible.

I will remember you, brave sir.

Oh, dude. No, that's not what I meant. It doesn't specifically have to be japanese German stuff, just generally cool anime songs. That Mayan stripper thing was cool too, I just mentioned the German one because its been stuck in my head for two days.

Technically he's not wrong.

Luck has been wished.

Perturbed, my friend?

Yeah, that's the plan. Caligor lets it slide until a conflict ot unlike the Dispute of Iron, where the legion fractures and some reshuffling of personnel is in order. Then the Chaos Eagles leave to start their own legions or warbands with black jack and hookers.

How much of their human lives the the Crimson Eagles remember?

Whatl targets would they favor once they've gone renegade and have too much time on their hands?

If a bird does not sing for Caligor, what would he do?

>I think there's an important factor to consider here: we don't need one name, we need five
Of course! We can cook up the house names later, but right now we need a solid name to work with, one we can throw into bullshit latin and have a shortened form that we can refer to

The core tenants that we can agree with, I think are:

>Its long and stupid, but it works here
>They're Honorable or Divine
>Its a Brotherhood or Fraternity
>They're in service to the Golden Throne/The Emperor/Mankind

I think we need to throw in that they're hidden or that they hunt demons are something. It just needs that little extra to distinguish it from an Imperial Knight(tm) House or fancy Guard Regiment

>Oh, dude. No, that's not what I meant. It doesn't specifically have to be japanese German stuff, just generally cool anime songs. That Mayan stripper thing was cool too, I just mentioned the German one because its been stuck in my head for two days.
Ooooooh.

youtube.com/watch?v=kua_iJ4bAmo
youtube.com/watch?v=K3u5h9cPTBw
youtu.be/NDqbiNmX1ew?list=PL29DA79E9A70534DC
youtu.be/qDfIinQAXMo?list=PL29DA79E9A70534DC
youtube.com/watch?v=kaSLEj-oJTU

>49977983
>They're Honorable or Divine
>Its a Brotherhood or Fraternity
>They're in service to the Golden Throne/The Emperor/Mankind
>I think we need to throw in that they're hidden or that they hunt demons are something. It just needs that little extra to distinguish it from an Imperial Knight(tm) House or fancy Guard Regiment
Brotherhood of Titan?

Grey Knights?

Here's the Justicar short story, it's pretty damn abstract cause Tzeentch meddling.

The space marines trudged across the desert, giants in monochrome ceramite. Cresting a massive sand dune, the leader of the squad removed his slit-eyed helm, exposing a hardened face, scarred and weathered by countless battles over aeons. With his one good eye, Sergeant Aric turned to face his fellow gene-brothers.

“Tell me brothers, do you still believe that the mission can be completed?”

To that he was met by absolute silence, none of his men daring to make eye contact with his single azure eye, or even the glowing cybernetic that replaced his ruined left.

“Then it is irrelevant, we move on.”

Ahead of the Justicar assault squad, the winds blew and the sands shifted, revealing the ruin of an Adeptus Astartes battle-barge, half-buried in a dune. The wreck was aged and weathered, for it had crashed in the desert many centuries ago. The marines carefully entered the wreck, carving through weathered plate with chainsword and fist.

The scene within the battle-barge was one of death incarnate. Superhumans in ceramite and fragile humans alike had been reduced to bones and rags, swallowed by the might of the desert. Brother Eodarn gently removed a pauldron from one of the corpses and studied it, noting the engraved wings over the remnants of black paint.

“They appear of be of the Fifth,” he noted. “Armour thickness suggests breacher marines.”

“If they are of the Fifth then we no longer have any purpose here,” Sergeant Aric commanded. “We continue the mission,” he continued as the space marines began their exit from the ruins.

Crossing a gantryway, Eodarn noticed a small untarnished plaque, one of many that would have been installed as ornaments around the ship.

I've been using Adepts as a shorthand thus far.

>hidden
They don't have to be.

‘THE LANCE OF VENGEANCE WHO STOOD FIRM AGAINST THE TRAITORS OF THE IMPERIUM’, it read in High Gothic. Eodarn quietly crushed it in his gauntlet. Nobody else in his squad needed to know that this ship came from a time long beyond theirs.

Upon exiting the wreck, the marines faced Sergeant Aric once more, his bionic eye glaring over them.

“Our mission remains unchanged. We are to find the Ouroboros and reclaim our abandoned ship. Uriel himself has decreed that the circle must be completed.”

“He wills it!” a scattered cry rose up amongst the squad.
“So he has. We move on,” Sergeant Aric led his men onwards, continuing to trudge across the desert. With the laughter of a scheming god the winds blew, burying the wreck once again and leading the marines onwards on their eternal quest.

Well I'm already quite familiar with the first two, but ill give the others a try.

This reminds me that I still gotta work on the 901 nutters.

>How much of their human lives the the Crimson Eagles remember?
When they were a loyalist legion? Distinct memories of home, enough for marines to talk about where they were from and such,Memories of family and friends and those kinds of things are a little more vauge, relationships built within the legion pulled to the fore. After the legion goes traitor they tend to keep a solid recruitment population, men, women, and children kept in spartan conditions (like the actual greek city state, not Demoncubla degeneration). Just like in Sparta young boys are basically taken through hardcore basic training after being born with a bolter in hand and biting off their own umbilical cords. The best of the best are taken as marines, while the rest are either taken back into the "civilian" population or put into the army. These marines tend to remember their whole lives in the same clarity as you or I.

>What targets would they favor once they've gone renegade and have too much time on their hands?
The Imperium, especially high value worlds such as forge worlds, agriworlds, and hives. Sometimes they target civilian populations, sometimes they hit an important target and nothing else, it depends on what they're after and what kind of message they want to send.
Failing jamming up the gears of the Imperium there's one enemy that the Eagles agree is the best to kill in droves
>Fuken Xenos
Caligor hates aliens, especially Eldar, not so much as the rest of the Imperium but because they tend to be a bunch smug assholes. The only exception tends to be Orks, because they see battle in almost the same way he does. Battles between the two tend be full of guffaws and good sportsmanship. Ork Mercs are common once Caligor goes 100% Nuclear (after the destruction of Haravi) and starts redoubling his efforts against the Imperium.

>If a bird does not sing for Caligor, what would he do?
Give it Bread
armystudyguide.com/content/cadence/marching_cadence/yellow-bird-2.shtml

Ohohoho, yes they do.

>Chaos doesn't exist don't worry about it!
>Hey but here's these guys explicitly made to fight chaos cobbled together from Marines resistant to chaos BUTDON'TWORRYABOUTTHAT

Besides, making them sooper sekret makes it clear that these guys are our Grey Knights.

...

>>If a bird does not sing for Caligor, what would he do?
>Give it Bread
>armystudyguide.com/content/cadence/marching_cadence/yellow-bird-2.shtml
I like you.

Bump.

What's up with Necrons again? Same as canon right?

>Pic related

Personally this is my list of things that should be kept canon or otherwise untouched

>>>My number one: Literally ANYTHING before the Chaos Gods snatched the babby Primarchs. Anything after that is fine, since the theft of the Primarchs is the point of divergence from the original canon. This includes history, Xenos, Mechanicus, the Gods, named characters such as Eldrad or some Daemons, etc. Nothing before then should be any different than the OU

>Officio Assassinorum. I don't see any reason to really change them up, not in 30k at least. Events can play out pretty much as they did in OU, with the same clades and all that. We can add our own sooper speshul minor temples later on (Lord only knows how bad I want to make a Raiden/Grey Fox/Cyborg Ninja temple) but for now, for simplicity's sake, I think we should leave it alone

>Custodes and Sisters of Silence: I don't see any reason to fuck with them beyond actions taken during the heresy and after.

>>The Large majority of Xenos races: This is really more of a 40k thing, since Nids and Crons and Tau don't really arise until later on. My biggest changes would be
>Farsight, or his equivalent, would be a much more dangerous and rebellious figure. Possibly aligned with Punished Caligor (still trying to figure out whether he would tolerate xenos that aren't smug "mary sue" races like Eldar or Necron. Probably would if they were mercs desu). The Tau Empire would be MUCH larger and encompass more minor xenos, like Rak'Gol and Hrudd and the like
>A distinct split and civil war between Old Crons under the Rule of C'tan who are slowly getting back in shape and New Crons that know the C'tan fucking played them. This keeps them from krumpin' the setting, and should make everyone happy. Hopefully
>Nids aren't as fragmented, but make slower progress due to leaders present that recognize the threat they represent. Even though they are one of the armies I collect, I think relegating them to an "npc/PvE" race will work just fine for a narrative.

>The Beast. Yeah I know the books are shit, but the event itself is pretty neat. An Ork the size of an apartment complex uniting a bunch of orks to near-Krork status? That's awesome. If Ronin and I get our way it would be easy enough to sacrifice the III Legion to create the Ordos Xenos Chambre Militant from the remainders, otherwise it would be neat to see how our Imperium deals with the problem. A good way to build an AU, jn my eyes, is to present similar problems but solve them with different solutions.

>We have SKAWTS right? I'd like to keep that, and a lot of Rouge Trader elements that have gotten lost over the years, albeit altered slightly to fit within our canon.

Maybe? Arelex used to push pretty hard for the Necrons to be somewhat active in the vicinity of the Atalantos Worlds even during the Great Crusade.

We ended up agreeing to a somewhat early point of divergence - different psychic vibrations during the birth of Slaanesh. That justifies the survival of things that died in that cataclysm, so the Eldar remnants end up different, the Komra exist, that sort of thing.

Christ on a crutch above. Can we PLEASE have nothing before or after that until Primarch babbies get shanghaied be different?

I know I'm the Supreme manipulator and a machiavellian villian of staggering proportions, but this isn't me politicking this is me flat out begging to stem the tide.

I wouldn't mind having the Beast attack, with a different name of course and none of that fancy taktiks shit, just straight up xbawks heug orks beating the shit out of the Imperium.

I mean, we have Pallas and the moon shit. Does that count?

>Can we PLEASE have nothing before or after that until Primarch babbies get shanghaied be different?
Well, that would mean cutting:
The Vetrovnak and all material related to them
The Komra
The Harakien Eldar Empire
Arguably two-thirds of the IA outfits
Forge Worlds like Al-Sherar
Non-OU Mechanicum characters
Pallas Eugenesis

That's a pretty massive change so I'd like to know your reasoning.

>I know I'm the Supreme manipulator and a machiavellian villian of staggering proportions
We were discussing the facts, there's no need to start the passive-aggressive stuff.

What about Prime-Orks?

Big Ork Bosses are fine, just not the name. If we're doing Primeorks I demand that we include ork snipers as well, I actually have an idea for them which involves a vengeful mekboy building successively bigger guns.

Regarding the Beast, my preference is to have him and Onyx suplex one another into a star and then trade headbutts for a century or two as they sink into the stellar core.

(Just an idea.)

>The Vetrovnak and all material related to them
What a relief! And here I thought something bad would happen!

>All that other shit
Fuck me. Whatever. Just, whatever. I'll keep opinions to myself. I'll soldier on, finish the Eagles then promptly extract myself from this.

As dumb as it is, and it is fucking dumb, the whole Taktiks bit makes the Beast. They're Mary Sue orks. Now how does the Imperium deal with Mary Sue Orks is the interesting part to me. My answer would be throw a legion without a Primarch at the problem and hope it goes away.

The discussions were had a long ass fucking time ago. We wanted to make things different in other ways than the Legions. Ignoring the xenos changes, which I was always tepid about, all the actual human stuff is perfectly to be expected.

Stop being a whiner because Lumey was a dick to you.

OK? I really was asking for your reasoning, but if you don't want to discuss it I guess I can't make you.

I don't want to make a big deal out of it nor make any real moves to change it because quite honestly I don't have a good answer. Its like when you ask Zorg why he doesn't like the direction Josman, Ronin and I want to take the Daemon Hunters
>I jus don like it

So I'm gunna work on my stuff and do my homework so I know what I'm working with. It's like getting a car that looks prettt simple, then you pop the hood and there's a LOT of shit that you're unfamiliar with.

It's not bad, necessarily, just disorienting.

>Stop being a whiner because Lumey is a dick

It's not that, my apparent Autism is flaring hard.

So enough of this, but before I get back to work (RL stuff and Eagles) I just want to gauge your feelings on these

Baring the things that we've already discussed here

OK. As you asked a related question not so long ago, I think a good place to start would be the Komra:

>The Komra are a subspecies of humans originating in the mineral-rich worlds of the galactic core. In the Imperium, they are formally known as "Homo Sapiens Robustus" for their stocky, powerful builds, the Eldar refer to them as "Baj-Ha", while in the poetry and sagas of the Orks they are called "stunties".

Read on at 1d4chan.org/wiki/Komra