Warhammer 40,000 general

>so many youtube channels with x tutorial
>they have a lot of effort put into them
>last upload: 1-3 years ago
this always makes me sad

as few csm as possible. Only bikers, too

Any idea what to name my Imperial Fist successors?

The Fist Fists

Their battlecry should definitely be Take the Fist!

Piss and Vomit marines

Yhea I kinda figured that part out.

The gorepack is a must have for sure. What do you think about a couple of Maulerfiends for some efficient anti-tank ?

yellow dragons

>200 views

Why didn't you protect their smile?

Is the Zzapp gun ever work taking?

I keep hearing it derided as the Ork version of a plasma gun.

The Phalanx, Sons of Dorn, Golden Fists?

>guy posting about his conversions and wip dark angel pre-heresy army
>he sounds so happy about it, goes really in-depth
>less than a thousand views and 4 years ago, his last video was 3 years ago

IIRC, that has strength 2d6? So an average of S7 like a plasma, with a good chance to be mildly better vs. the types of targets should be firing it at, and an equal one to be worse and/or completely useless through to having S2, and it costs far more than a plasma gun despite being fired with Ork BS.

It's sandy yellow, not piss yellow.

It's okay, you're better off with rokkits IMOO, or shokk attack guns

i never played KdK. But generally maulerfiends only work in pairs as one gets shot down easily

Personally I prefer lasher as they give survivability against melee attackers. Especially againt Imperial knights dreadnaughts etc.

Ever since I found out there is are official admech armies I've been thinking about getting back into 40k. Used to play oldcrons a long while ago. So are AdMech/ Skitaari worth playing or fun to play. My biggest worry is that as soon as I buy in again 40k is going to get Age of Sigmar'd.

Not him but I've always thought that the melta cutters are very good at killing vehicles, and the maulerfiend can't really go toe-to-toe with other walkers because WS/I3. It also doesn't have the attacks to kill infantry, so you should basically use it as a heavy infantry (i.e. broadside or terminators without chainfists) or static vehicle hunter.

The "one of everything" formation is really really good
If 8th is age of the emperor I can imagine a lot of people are going to stick to 7th... People in my area still play 5th so any of that kind of investment isn't lost normally

There are two Ad Mech players at my shop and we usually have fun games, especially since they don't go full cheese with warconvo (or moreso can't go full cheese).

They have a good range of models that fit a lot of fun roles in your army between both of the codex.

Not sure how true the rumor is but they always talk about getting a new combined codex with a transport, a flier and some other missing pieces but I don't know how true any of that is.

Admech are an excellent army at a solid upper-middle tier power level, although they lack certain options such as transports and flyers, they have stupidly powerful guns and excellent medium infantry, as well as some of the most powerful troops choices in the game, that are more akin to artillery platforms than heavy infantry. The two factions are usually allied together as they cover a good deal of each others weaknesses. You can always ally in others for transport, anyways. They are getting a boost in March from an upcoming Forge World book that will supposedly allow you to use some of the 30k Mechanicum units on 40k Admech armies.
I personally give no credence to the rumours of a possible "Age of Emperor", but apparently the next edition will be somewhat simplified, which could be a good or bad thing depending on your point of view.

Killa kan i assume?

This reminds me of the security things from Abe's exodus

Nope. Mega deff dread.

>want to get people to buy stuff from LGS just getting into 40k
>don't want people to buy 40k because it's a convoluted shitstorm right now

These feels hurt

My friends are taking to it quite well, have you considered not accommodating to idiots?

Even my girlfriend is learning.

The trick is not to throw it all at them at once, I have played so many boring mini games of 3-5man bolter tac squad vs. 3-5man bolter tac squad so many times to teach the basic stuff.

Thanks for the info, I'll go check my LGS to see if the community is alive and probably give in to Omnissiah.

It's a moral thing, man.

>muffled cyka blyat in the distance

Why is that guy wearing a gas mask when he won't live long enough to succumb to any toxins in the atmosphere

Why does IG armour suck balls

Seconding this. When I do games for new players, I tend to go maximum fluff, low points, and try to have a mix of various units types. Luckily vanilla csm is a good intro dex

Nah he'll be the lone surviving guardsman of his squad, fail morale and run off the board

Are there new rumors? I want to see what the big story is going to be and how it ties into the release of Daemon Primarch Magnus.

Black Crusade reaches Terra.

Because you touch yourself at night.

Just as Nids get there for ultimate shitfest

(this will never happen)

It doesn't, everyone else is just wearing superfuture plate armour, magic psycho-reactive nanoplastics or exosuits, all of which would be far too resource expensive to fit the entire Astra Militarum with.

Are you playing the same army as me?

What now?

My friend was wonder how you would kit out footslogged crusader squads with Grimaldus as the HQ, any one have any suggestions?

Anyone have experience with the legion of the damned miniatures?

I'm wondering how friendly they are to weapon swaps, especially the cool flamer toting marine with the brazier backpack. Cause, yknow, flamers are kinda redundant when you got ignores cover everything.

Chaos reaches that deep the same time Hive Fleet Leviathan does, then a Necron Tomb World awakens in the middle of it all, then Comorragh and a Craftworld get somehow shit out into there too.

Then a crusade is declared into the colossal mess.

The Tau continue to be irrelevant.

i hate this longass cannon. the gw vanquisher looks way better,

sorry had to get it ofmy chest

i only have two, but from my limited experience i would say extremly unfriendly. Might help if they are finecast since choppin metal is ehh

I pity your shit taste.

Dang. Ill be using resin but I was hoping the gun wouldnt be built to the chest. Maybe I can hand swap one of the guys with one handed bolters, but I really want that cool back pack.

you know in WWII armor designers often preferred smaller cannons over longass cannons as the longass cannons tend to get stuck in trees houses and similar obstacles when they turn around.

>walk into local GW after work to play game with a friend
>we recently met in a tournament and he wanted a grudge match
>I arrive and he had been playing against a space wolves army that was 8 Thunderwolves (2 named characters), th/ss terminators, and a space wolf shoe flyer
>1500 points of unbound garbage
>my friend had to drop his war convo so his upgrades weren't free
>loses to the space wolf dude somehow
>dude gets cocky, probably been here all day beating up kids
>asks me to play
>"sure"
>whip out free transport lion's blade and a bunch of ravenwing stuff
>3 turns later space wolf guy is complaining about the dice, the mission, rhinos, flying vehicles, formations, hit and run, zealot
>"sorry, I thought about this army so it kinda pays off in the end"
>space yiff loses his shit
>concedes
>"I'll be back with land raiders! You'll see!"

Tl;dr I enacted justice as was Johnson's will
How has your game helped your gaming group, /40kg/?

Which is why cannons became smaller over the course of the war, naturally.

Oh wait

That barrel isn't even that long compared to tank destroyer gun barrels of that time, which is what a Vanquisher is; not a general purpose battle tank.

built to the chest? its more the arms are fixed and chopped at a convinient place which is different for each model.

pic related

This would be the exact reason that the calibre of guns increased throughout the war? With the Germans going from L/24 to L/43 to L/48 for their 75mm anti tank gun.

The allies also did the same with their 75&76mm guns going from L/31 to L/40 some going as high as L/55, 57mm guns going from L/43 to L/50.

I do look forward to your reply and complete misunderstanding of what calibre entails regarding artillery.

they did this to improve armor penetration, I am fully aware.
/remembers the scene in Kelly's Heroes where the Tiger could not turn the turret/

[Citation Needed]

Which designers?
Which tanks?
Which cannons?

Examples please.

It's amazing how much better this tank looks with just a tiny amount of slimming down.

Show me a single tank during the war that decreased the barrel length. I can think of one example.

>I saw kellys heroes once
>Therefore WW2 tank developers after watching Kellys heroes decided that all the advantages such as accuracy and increased penetration were completely useless in comparison to turning the tanks turret in an urban fucking environment.

Please stop.

>tfw maximum fluff is also cheese
>mfw

I beat the shit out of a Tau player with 2k of heresy Night Lords, Batman fucking rapes riptides a new asshole with all those instant death wounds and his budget farsightbomb whiffed enough to not quite kill batman+raptor crew, who survived, IWND'd twice over the rest of the game and murdered the lot of them

Never said they got shorter, i said they often preferred a shorter barrel, especially early in the war.

here is the scene btw
youtube.com/watch?v=UUxaX__3NKA

>Never said they got shorter, i said they often preferred a shorter barrel, especially early in the war.

Who are they? Who preferred it? Which vehicles did they prefer it on? Are you sure that it isn't literally due to technological limitations of the period? Don't you think that if they could mount a longer gun they could?

Do you have ANY evidence that a designer chose a shorter barrel over a longer one at any time when they were available?

Oho. Thanks for the sprue.

I'm going to make it simple.

Name a single vehicle where this happened.

When people say "Fluffy list" that can be cheese too.

I never understood why anyone assumed that doesn't mean cheese.

Riptide Wings, Wraith Hosts, mass Tzeentch Daemons and what not on the table are perfectly fluffy given what I've seen in the lore.

Just don't spam Malific Daemonology. Problem solved.

early panzer IV who were actually intended to fight entrenched positions rather than tanks.

Lemme tell ya right now, Id rather fight summon spam than 2++ rerollable tzeentch incursion using pure new tzeentch powers. Jetbike heralds with d shooting and turbo boosting with mass s7 horror shooting and kairos is a hell of a drug.

Okay lets see how

>you know in WWII armor designers often preferred smaller cannons over longass cannons as the longass cannons tend to get stuck in trees houses and similar obstacles when they turn around.

Translates into:

>We need a smaller velocity gun to fire high explosive shells as the higher the velocity of a gun the less effective the high explosive shells are.

Nope. Don't quite see how that one fits into the argument.

Show me ONE fucking tank that had a shorter barrel exclusively because they didn't want it to hit trees, houses and other bullshit.

Since you literally can't do that. Don't bother.

Iron fists

unfortunately text in german, hencei did not post earlier

Panzer 3 Model J
"

Ausführung J

Bei der Ausf. J wurde erstmals die lange 5-cm-Kanone eingebaut

Als sich während der ersten Kampfeinsätze an der Ostfront zeigte, dass auch die Durchschlagskraft der kurzen 5-cm-Kanone nur unbefriedigend war und diese Waffe keine Leistungsreserven besaß, wurde erstmals die lange 5-cm-KwK 39 mit ihren 60 Kaliberlängen in den letzten 1076 Exemplaren der Serie der „Ausführung J“ eingebaut. Diese zwischen März 1941 und Juli 1942 hergestellte Version erreichte mit 2616 produzierten Exemplaren die höchste Stückzahl dieser Baureihe. Auch wurden alle zur Generalüberholung ins Reich verlegten Panzer III auf die neue Kanone umgerüstet. Diese relativ durchschlagskräftige Waffe wäre schon zum Zeitpunkt der Umrüstung auf die kurze 5-cm-Kanone ab der Ausführung F verfügbar gewesen, jedoch verzichtete das Heereswaffenamt aus taktischen Gründen auf deren Einbau, da das Rohr stark über das Seitenprofil des Panzers hinausragte und man deswegen Einschränkungen der Beweglichkeit in bewachsenem und bebautem Gelände befürchtete.[14] "
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerkampfwagen_III#Ausf.C3.BChrungen
Minor translation:
They changed the 5cm gun to a longer barreled version after the shorter did not reach expectations. This relativly powerful weapon was available earlier but due to tactical considerations leading to limitations in densely built areas they did not use it.

Can you have too many Chimeras?

Shitter detected. Summonspam is the more competitive build.

They put the 75mm L/24 on the Panzer III for the same fucking reason as it was on the Panzer IV you idiot. They wanted a tank that could fire an effective high explosive round.

The Panzer III was becoming obsolete as its 50mm gun had insufficient penetration - so why not reuse the tank in a role needed? Why not reverse the roles with the Panzer IV which now mounted the 75mm L/43 or L/48 instead of the L/24.

Now show me

ONE TANK

that had a shorter barrel exclusively so that it didn't hit trees, houses, walls and other bullshit.

Show me. You're arguing that it was favored because of that reason. Show me a tank that had it for that reason. Right now you have nothing.

I currently have 17

So... yes?

First of, try to read.
Second dont call people idiots if you fail to do so.

The text talks about two different 5cm guns,
the 5cm/KwK 38 with 42 calibre lengths
the 5cm/KwK 39 with 60 calibre lengths
the former which have been used in Panzer3 Model F onwards and the latter in Model J

The Panzer 3 with the short barreled 7.5 was the model N, for your information.

Since I atm cannot be arsed to translate everything myself here is google translate

In version J, the long 5 cm cannon was installed for the first time

The first 5 cm KwK 39 with its 60 caliber lengths in the last 1076 was shown for the first time during the first combat campaign on the eastern front, that the force of the short 5 cm cannon was also unsatisfactory and that this weapon had no power reserves Copies of the "J series". This version produced between March 1941 and July 1942 reached the highest number of this series with 2616 copies produced. All the Panzer III, which had been transferred to the Reich for the general overhaul, were also converted to the new cannon. This relatively powerful weapon would have been available at the time of the conversion to the short 5 cm cannon from version F onwards, but the Army Army Office refrained from installing it due to tactical reasons because the pipe greatly surpassed the side profile of the tank Of mobility in overgrown and cultivated terrain. [14] "

Congratulations.

You have found a single tank.

Now all you have to is argue that armor designers other than Daimler-Benz (because your making a claim about multiple instances by using often and it could imply multiple companies) preferred shorter over longer.

Good job in taking one isolated instance and applying a blanket rule. I sincerely hope that you take the knot.

People have a right to their opinions, but yours is simply awful.

No, I did provide information that this has been seriously taken into consideration and did influence the design of a major tank in WW2.
I do not intend to write a masters thesis on tank guns to satisfy you. I am not your fetchdog.

You provided information on ONE vehicle. When you use the word often it implies multiple times.

For instance "I often use my car to go to work". If I used my car ONCE to go to work that statement would be incorrect.

You made a fucking claim. You get to prove your fucking claim. Don't get pissy when you give one example and it isn't good enough.

Show me that it was a common occurrence outside of one instance or frankly fuck off.

Don't forget d3 St10 Ap2 shots or a S6 Ap3 torrent flamer from the exalted flamers.

The D power is warp charge 3 assault 1. It's not like it can be spammed. The real problem with screamer star is that they can ALSO summon.

My problem is that I don't want to be cheese; I just want to field my hoard of horrors. It just so happens to be extremely cheesy. If I wanted to play pure Khorne, it wouldn't be cheesy to field just as many Bloodletters. In fact, it would probably be dog shit.

Even without Malific, it gets out of hand. You single handedly dominate the psychic phase by drowning the opponent in deny dice and having enough dice of your own to power over theirs.

Not even the guy you're replying to, but you sound incredibly booty-blasted that this kid found a reasonable piece of evidence to back up his assertion. If I was him I wouldn't go and find more unless you wired me some money. Cunt.

Models that come base with storm bolters now get special issue ammo. Grey Knights could get some psychic or blessed ammo instead.

Models that can buy storm bolters can buy special issue ammo for them for 5 pts.

Does this make storm bolters worth considering as an upgrade?

Also, as an aside: Does Tank Hunter apply to grav "armor pen?" It would make sense, but grav's roll isn't called an armor pen roll AND it'd be one more reason to take it.

Slaanesh Daemons Kill Team 199/200

Seekers of Slaanesh

Heartseeker - Leader

Seeker - Combat Specialist - Killer Instinct

Seeker - Dirty Fighter Specialist - Murderous Blows

Seeker - Guerrila Specalist - Stealth

3 Seekers, Rapturous Standard

1 Hellflayer of Slaanesh

I'd spam daemonettes if I were you. Seekers make good specialists, but for a CC list you NEED more bodies.

Yeah. I feel bad for my friend who legitimately enjoys pure tzeentch daemons, but can't get a good game where he isn't significantly more powerful.

I kinda wish stuff like librarians, the so called defense against the Empyrean, were actually good for that purpose. Not much you can deny with a maximum 8 die against 40 warp charge.

So what, 18 of them, Alluress Upgrade, Standard, similar specialisations?

Or should I cut the upgrades in favour of more bodies?

Most unused/skipped over rule?

My vote goes for multiple charges. The explanation in the book itself is chaotic and the situation seems like it'd be pretty rare.

Building Damage

I posted on a 5 year old video that had no comments and in the 15 minute 200 views video he repeated 5 times that he wanted the viewers opinion on it. I told him they looked good and the next day he said thank you.

Serious question.

40K 3rd Edition.
What's the point in Space Marine Veterans at 18pts a piece if you can roll regular Space Marines at 15pts a piece? The only stat difference is Vets are 9LD and RegMarines are LD8.

Am I missing something?

3 commissars (pf, pw, boltpistol)
9 auto cannon teams
6 las cannon teams
3 rocket launcher teams
1 primaris psycher
1 Kell (lost creed)
6 meltas
5 plasma
7 flamers
51 lasguns
7 vox casters
16 pistol/chainsword leader peoples (1 plasma pistol, 1 bolt pistol, 1pf, 1pw)
1 flag guy
2 snipers
1 medic
3 dudes I fake as priests
1 scout sentinel
3 hellhounds
4 chimeras (one unbuilt)
2 basilisks
1 leman russ
5 Rough riders
Ageis walls

I have 28 standing bodies, 2 kneeling bodies, and a a bunch of bits. What should I do with them?