Floors General. Halloween Edition.

5mileys
5mileys

Meanwhile in a cramped library in the deepest blackest prisons...

We celebrate formally the 6th year in which Skirmishes have come into existence. As such this 6th year comes with something special.

For the meager compensation of a single night's pay, our dear Questi has elected to answer questions /for free/

However you must take care, as she can only answer a few questions at time but never fear for Fetcher Scholar will also help with answering punitive questions like;

" What is Skirmish ? What is this Floors business you go on about," and other strange questions that you Sleepers have the privilege to ask without ever questioning the spacetime ramifications of climbing a set of stairs.

And of Course, volunteering information and hosting the event about the world is yours truly. My role wont be to answer questions but perhaps show you a glimpse of what is to come.

Trips won't be /needed/ but masks are highly encouraged for the barest minimum of public discourse can be achieved much like the Scholars of many floors passed.
And now we begin.
youtube.com/watch?v=ytpqcJ1IfoA

Other urls found in this thread:

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youtube.com/watch?v=iCEDfZgDPS8
archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/45174569/#45194799
youtube.com/watch?v=4T9qVpa6coE
desuarchive.org/qst/thread/783586/

Firespawn
Firespawn

Oh, oh, let me help senpai!

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

How to make a skirmish more than 3 people at a time would want to play?

Emberburn
Emberburn

Here's a question: Why did you pick Veeky Forums of all places to start?

SniperGod
SniperGod

Fucking hell these look horrible.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

And Finally,
A Record of Classes Discovered so Far.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Okay. I'll begin. What the fuck is Floors? You guys act like a quest, but you're different enough from them that I try not to shitpost the threads.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

As a humble student of runic magic, leyline magic has always been a mystery for me. Even the most basic elements behave differently then I would expect. Would Questi mind answering what using Pulse does on both target and tile for the various elements?

cum2soon
cum2soon

Think a board game where each player is an individual piece on the board. That is what a skirmish is. This is a cooperative game so we face enemies who are controlled by the GM instead of facing each other in battles to the death.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

pretty consistently get 30+ people playing so I'm not sure what you mean?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

That was an honest question. I want to get 30+ people too.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Now imagine them all trying to "complete" a single objective its choas, its pretty fun once you get into it.

SniperGod
SniperGod

See this? It is the very first class page for skirmish quest. It's simple, easy to understand, easy to explain and the dudes are adorable.

For me, if I'm going to get into a skirmish game, It needs to be at least two of those three things.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Simple, understandable and adorable, Moony. Yes Floors does have all three though.

5mileys
5mileys

Here's a question: Why did you pick Veeky Forums of all places to start?

Ohohoh this is one that I feel am qualified to answer. Regard me as a rogue scholar of no qualification if you wish but these are the words to come from mine own mouth,

This conglomeration has been the special kind of austerity in driving one to create worlds, finely tune them, and then give them the resolve to destroy them. Crush their own creations and to do so again. The sheer mercilessness of this crowd feeds this one's fire and not one has any illusion of what the other wants, when elsewhere one would confine themselves in safety, support, and what maybe false adulation in order to foster a half resolved dream, unchallenged.
Weak.
You can define this the perfect anarchy but I simply see it as amusing.

Will We Get Trolls ?
Will we have the 60th visitor tell us to find our own space ?
It goes on.

Perhaps a new Runner who will throw themselves to a nearest black hole only to show up again under a different name ?

These are all honest expressions that I've the fortunate life of having to negotiate with due to my unprofitable trade as /artist/, /creator/ and /destroyer/
Consider that a compliment of your kin. But know that everything here thus far has been driven on selfishness !

Whether you like it or not this will fester like a disease until it reaches the end of its unlife.

And for whatever reason, your masters seem to think little of intervening save for the once. And that may have just been a /clerical/ error on both parties.

Methnerd
Methnerd

I'll try to translate for you.

Veeky Forums, especially Veeky Forums attracts just the right mix of people to put these skirmish games through their paces and break it, or break the players. Both are fine.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

/qst/

iluvmen
iluvmen

Talking about game mechanics
Not playing the *quest* itself
Belongs to Veeky Forums

Inmate
Inmate

Please refer that this is a general and not a quest brah.

Nojokur
Nojokur

How much Jenny to get you to punch yourself in the face?
The answers needed,..f-for science!

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

*gawks at Pumpkin*

C-Certainly the Behaviours of Runic and Ley will seem similar at first, but ever since the reformation of the Ignyllian Order to include Guides their more basic function of sheperding the elements have been looked on as /unnecessary/ Druidic traditions of Ley speaks differently however. Dating as far back as a few revolutions ago their spells used to look like this on a mono elemental scale.

Lux Pulse; Lights up an area, applied to a living creature makes them illuminated. For some Voidborne this is fatal.

Tera Pulse; Creates a Stone Block, however records speak of Druids making spikes, or Hurling rocks to protect themselves. Their respect of the Earth Stays their hand.

Hydra Pulse: If the Aethers are willing, a quantity of water is created, capable of spreading out over an equal amount of tiles equivalent to one's magic power. A concentrated mass of water can also be created to FORCE others back.

Aer Pulse: Interestingly Aer has a way of deflecting spells or blowing away vitriolic clouds, Much like [WaterBall] may create a concentrated mass of Aer that can Push or PULL.

Pyra Pulse: Can you guess the first wands that were banned in Convents ? It was the Fire wand, wielded now by candlekeepers and committed practitioners to the order because a pure Pyras pules can set the ground aflame but to the Ignyllian Order's credit managed to wield flame to increase one's VIGOR instead of making them burst into flames. Which - when Polarized - is possible.

==

Fusion Metas:
Plant: Binding Thornes/ Heals
Spirit: Reveal Ghosts /Regenerates
Illusion: Ghost Images / Invisibility
Lightning: Stunning Current / +Hit

viagrandad
viagrandad

Floors is a co-operative skirmish game with boardgame / strategy mechanics that are quite easy to distill.

In it, you play as a Runner who must cooperate with other Runners to find the "Stairs" of a dungeon lest your Terminus Clock ticks down and a world ending event called the Malebolgia destroys the level with you in it.

While simple the game has a High Fatality Rate, Long Midgame Development, and an as of yet unattainable endgame but is easy to pick up and try again with. The group travels collectively and everyone shares the same Terminus clock. Letting it tick down to zero is a guaranteed party wipe.

Survival is critical. And Survival hinges on teamwork, and realistic decision making for the floors care not for your feelings*

*Unless its fear. Then it gets worse.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Why are Vampyre and Ghoul listed in slots for classes when they both can be accessed by anybody who has the right mutation rather than just the relevant classes?

Booteefool
Booteefool

I would imagine 5 or Jennys are needed to force me to do such an act. But if it's her I would not mind if she performed the act herself.

RavySnake
RavySnake

What's the llamas full name?

askme
askme

Will Questi go on a date with living weapons? Me.
I would promise to be there sharp.
The whole night would keep you on edge.
Tame in the sheathes, naked in the streets.
There won't be a dull moment with me around.
We could enjoy the fine artes together.

WebTool
WebTool

I suppose you're asking if there was ever a simple way to go about it.

Well if one was to go simple I would suggest taking a game or concept and then distilling it down to its most basic components. This lies at the heart of game creation after all. For many reasons this becomes the first step for simply performing the act of running a game takes both mania and patience.

Take for example Chess.
If distilled down would simply be a game about players who advance half heartedly as Pawns who can only move "forward" until they can advance to more glorious stations like Knight, Bishop or Rooks.
What's the action economy ?
Are the opposing sides composed of different pieces ?
Will Checkers Slovakia get involved ?

This act is actually far harder than it sounds but as a Skirmish would be more successful than say-

A Skirmish of a /skirmish/ as this tends to lead one to distill from an already pruned concept which may lack a core by the time one is done with it. So its better to borrow /diagonally/ from more robust sources

Case in point:

Floors is simply a Skirmish of Legend of Zelda and SwordWorld
ZeroSpace is based off of Chess with assymetrical Pieces, and XCOM
Ironhearts is the World War era mashed up with Ogre Battle

It goes on. The more parts you can pick and choose the better the rending.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Where can one find a good Volgan engineering manual and associated crafting tools?

Evilember
Evilember

Who is the paladin we picked up and what is their name? In regards to which one in particular I'm inquiring about the one who trained me.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Can Haunts eat shadows?
Can Haunts possess things larger than themselves?
Can Haunts class into Ghoul?
What are the limitations of a Haunt?
Can Haunts become a real boy?

Lunatick
Lunatick


Why are Vampyre and Ghoul listed in slots for classes when they both can be accessed by anybody who has the right mutation rather than just the relevant classes?

hairygrape
hairygrape

How many playable races are there (djinn frog, skeleton, ghoul, etc)? What are the pros and cons of becoming a member of the machine race provided by Volgan merit services?

Is there a wasp summon?

Methnerd
Methnerd

Doesn't piss me off just find it odd!

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Can we get any information on how Avdol fights? I've resigned to calling him a [B]rawler but his monk fightan style looks more refined.

Is there anything we've missed in 6 floors that you thought would have been much more obvious?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Emerson Lake and Palmer.

Llama names are a lot like company names. This tradition first spawned when the first of many attempted to identify themselves in written form only to really remember the volgon company they used to work for. There maybe multiples with the same name or just the one. !

Nobody knowssss

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

What's the Alpaca's full name?

Skullbone
Skullbone

How insane are you, really?
Like..../really/?
how'd you get so drop dead gorgeous

Booteefool
Booteefool

How many playable races are there (djinn frog, skeleton, ghoul, etc)? What

About ... .30 Discovered genues actually. Deeper below the Understairs there could be more, heckles we could be meeting them soon if the [Legend of the Pneumaether] is anything true.

Oh and Stuff like Ghouls and Midians they're classified as Mutations as they tend to affect races across the board with the usual exceptions to the case.

See for yourself !
Mutations:
1. Ghouls
2. Midians
3. Daemons
4. Divine
5. Sworn
6. Host [Nihilid]

Races:
1. Djinns +3Mag
1. Dove
2. Castor
3. Frog
4. Harpy
5. Salamander
6. Leech
2. Faeborn +1Mag +1Mov -1Hp
1. Faery
2. Dorfs
3. Elves
4. High Elves
5. Gnome
6. Daemons ?
3. Saurian +1Str +1Def -1Mov
1. Tortadynes
2. Kobs
3. Karkadynes
4. Avians
5. Rex
6. Gorgon

3. Human -/-

4. Ordonian +1Hp +Def
1. Redtails
2. Sleekfoot
3. Tams
4. Guirhorns
5. Turks [elephants]
6. Kerbolds [Dog]
5. Wisp +2Mag -1Str
1. Armslave
2. Dulahan
3. Ice Witch
4. Trickster
5. Lantern
6. Haunt.
6. Ogre +1Str +1Def -1mag
1. Giant
2. Troll
3. Kappa
4. Goblin
5. Orc
6. Oni

Bidwell
Bidwell

How Insane are you, really ?

" A .... a pillow "

StonedTime
StonedTime

Earlier I cast a Space spell on a few creatures. They showed a strange pocket status symbol with 3 beside which I assume was either the severity or how long the effect would last.

What the heck did that symbol mean?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Oh... this is rather unedited, one moment.

Oh and Stuff like Ghouls and Midians they're classified as Mutations as they tend to affect races across the board with the usual exceptions to the case.

See for yourself !
Mutations:
1. Ghouls
2. Midians
3. Daemons
4. Divine
5. Sworn
6. Host [Nihilid]

Races:
1. Djinns +3Mag
1. Dove
2. Castor
3. Frog
4. Harpy
5. Salamander
6. Leech

2. Faeborn +1Mag +1Mov -1Hp
1. Faery
2. Dorfs
3. Elves
4. High Elves
5. Gnome
6. Daemons ?

3. Saurian +1Str +1Def -1Mov
1. Tortadynes
2. Kobs
3. Karkadynes
4. Avians
5. Rex
6. Gorgon

3. Human -/-

4. Ordonian +1Hp +Def
1. Redtails
2. Sleekfoot
3. Tams
4. Guirhorns
5. Turks [elephants]
6. Kerbolds [Dog]

5. Wisp +2Mag -1Str
1. Armslave
2. Dulahan
3. Ice Witch
4. Trickster
5. Lantern
6. Haunt.

6. Ogre +1Str +1Def -1mag
1. Giant
2. Troll
3. Kappa
4. Goblin
5. Orc
6. Oni

Nojokur
Nojokur

A pillow
...you have my sympathies.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Spatial Distortion: Shrink
It denotes the burden of their gravity well in TILES. meaning that they must traverse that amount of spaces to traverse out of a single tile.

Conversely, AOEs that affect them would cover them entirely.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Ive always wanted to get in on something like this, but always seem to stumble across these things in the middle or at the end of the thread. Are there good times to look? Is it worth jumping on board at this point?

TechHater
TechHater

The magic is realizing that you can "Walk in" on a situation anytime. Since Runners are everywhere in search of the Stairs.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

It is always time to join in, I joined at the start of this floor and I already reached adept cause I managed to reach the next floor and assist in taking down a boss. Then again, I'm a militia man so monsters don't often get up and eat my face since I usually stay in the back.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

We generally have people joining every 2-3 turns. Some are new, others are returnees who haven't had time or just noticed the threads were running again.

As said earlier joining is as simple as picking a base class and a name and trip.

FastChef
FastChef

The hard part is staying.
The hardest is quitting.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

One time I met this guy... Excalibur ?

Gods...
He WOuld SNORE FUNNY.
I had to call it off.

Sorry hun, not even the stats saved that one.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Take a look at this if you decide to join in

pastebin.com/LuatcHLb

Soft_member
Soft_member

"Oh god is that a spider on your shoulder!?"

girlDog
girlDog

youtube.com/watch?v=vHntnQwk9ME

Inmate
Inmate

I tried to make a pumpkin mask based on a guide a drunk frog told me

My question is this!

H-how do I make Runner Scholar happy? They seem so morose and sombre.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Runner Scholar is not present to answer this question. But If his monochre is indication of anything -- you explore more Floors.

You Continue Running.

FastChef
FastChef

What kind of activities people like to do in order to forget about the impending doom of the Mal for a few turns? Drinking? Watching TV? Maintaining their gear? Assuming they are in a town or something.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Despite what one may think, the majority of people in the Spiral do not actually RUN. In fact they walk. It is both the calm and necessary activity needed to survive. Below that is sleeping - which is enjoyed by the majority of those in the Town Floors , and the road alike.

Runners lead dangerous lives this is true but the /average/ life of a runner is normally 6 to 12 floors before settling down to a town to live out their days in Hyperbolic Time only to let their next of kin inherit their take. Career runners much like the people you are will likely if not prematurely die, join the Front Lines where even the hardiest of Runners go to become the legendary namesakes that their Town is founded on.

No one truly forgets about the threat of the Mal, and yet wallowing is equally unproductive. Those who do resign know that a simple escape lies in waiting. And it's been proven to be a painless affair.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Thanks for all that you do. Shine on you crazy diamond.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

You're welcome.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Thanks !

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

No, thanks.

farquit
farquit

*crys*

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

(deleted it in a rush so here it is for people to witness)

It gets harder every time we run
For every time I rest my eyes
I see you, may i ask on a scale of love to adore
How would you feel about a chain ride to the moon.
Just you and i alone on the peaceful side of the moon.
If not would you prefer the moon close by to you?
I could bring it and never fail and it will always be with you.
If you may,will you please accept this rose of my adoration towards you?
*holds rose*

whereismyname
whereismyname

Happy 6th Anniversary! May there be many more!

From what I've seen and experienced, Hand could be used to take, give, and/or insert elements in the environment around us as well as effect people both living and quite likely the dead. It can also be used to insert elements into one's own spells. Is it possible to use Hand to insert elements into the spells of others?
If so, how does this differ from In-Tandem other than the addition of words? Can it be used to insert Elements into a Guide's casting?
Can Hand be used to seize one's own and/or another's spell?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Why are you so heartless? Who hurt you?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

The simple truth is that Hand isn't a meta spell and so won't affect the underlying mathematics of a spell.

It /can/ however manipulate or CATCH elements that make up the majorty of spells.

In essence it is useful for Hardcounters. To use these elements in another way would require one to be able to know the respective magical arts where this is possible.

Using elements to buff is in the realm of Ley,
And seizing one's own spell simply reshapes the spell into a surrogate of Hand if not /manipulate it/ as one would with their regular hands. So to speak.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

I've got a question science related.

How many fusion cores can you wire into a gun?I mean, it's obviously more than one but is there a finite number after which it becomes a bad idea? Or.

Well.

Becomes a worse idea than it already is.

OH

And, just out of curiosity. What was that Volgon Warmachine Pest Control looking for in Floor 3? Who are Jormungand, Tiamat, Grauolly, Gaharmesh, and Nidhogg? Dragons? Monster signs? Spooky beings in the sky?

I know spooky beings in the sky. They aren't ususally talk talktative.

SniperWish
SniperWish

The simple truth is that Hand isn't a meta spell and so won't affect the underlying mathematics of a spell.
..
And seizing one's own spell simply reshapes the spell into a surrogate of Hand if not /manipulate it/ as one would with their regular hands. So to speak.

So this whole time that we've been using Hand to add to our spells, both single and In-Tandem, hasn't been doing anything except adding an extra element, assuming that element was not already present in the matrix?

May I ask about the math behind In-Tandem?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

I've been a scholar for only a short while and while I've read the guides and watched Charon and you act as a Scholar I was wondering if you had any tips.

Also where can I learn runes that doesn't involve towns?

StonedTime
StonedTime

Hummm I'm afraid the finer points of f Volgon Weaponcrafts isn't my suit you would have to consult Hystorial Scholar since he covers most combat applications and before even that we are not to sure if he is even alive.

They say he fell into the deepest parts of the Understairs and show up only when a major war has started.

And as for those names... they are definitely dragon names. As in the type that hates all of humanity. [and yes only you.]

hairygrape
hairygrape

Misposted the image there

Scholar Metagame and Tips:
Learning the component skills needed for most magickal artes are open to you, best yet is findingout how they interact -- and they do interact.

In nuclear cases it is possible to commit a Rest action to learn /base abilities/ from someone who is the adept of their base class. If that individual is also a scholar, you may both partake in an information trade.

Another keynote to being a scholar is that you are always observant. You may have been struck with [Inspiration] at some point and that's when a [Star] symbol shows up above your head. That means something in that turn has piqued your interest and will likely serve as your inlet to further magical styles.

=

Role: So depending on your origin you maybe a Mage or a Guide, becoming a scholar doesnt diminish those roles but it does throw one off balance on what they /should/ be doing cause the plain fact is- they can do almost anything. This is a strength and it takes a flexible yet committed frame of mind to reign in your options to the most optimal.

=

Combat: In a battle a scholar operates best when they have full possession of the facts they know what they do not. Being able to see the field is critical, and knowing your enemy. But most overlooked are the tools one has at their disposal. Runic as a spell style has many secrets hidden within its letters.

For example, Double Arrow penetrates through objects, Darc Eye Ring reveals fog, and Tangents can be inserted into an enemy's spell as they are being casted. As does polarize.

StonedTime
StonedTime

How does the reincarnation trinket work? Does it like save a scrap of your soul or what?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Thank you indeed. Oho! I remember a star above my head at one time. Yes, checking back I have indeed have been struck by inspiration lately.

May I know what I observed?

whereismyname
whereismyname

It adds its elemental yield magpow. And a quantity of it. That's what it primarily does.

In Tandem collects the same spell and multiplies its power and amount of words like so.

[Arrow Arrow arrow] Caster mag 5
[Arrow Arrow Arrow] Caster mag 10
[Arrow Arrow Arrow] Caster mage 7

Runic Property: +33 Range[?], -6mag
Total Magpow: 16.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Perhaps Miss Runa's use of the Elements may have done something that piqued your interest.

takes2long
takes2long

accompanying asset.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

So I would need to talk to Lady Runa to begin my path into druidic magic.

Would taking advantage of such inspiration take up additional rest actions beyond that of leveling? Or can I learn the new disciplines at the same time.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

I see. Thanks!

I hope you don't mind so many questions.
I wanted to also ask about resistances and vulnerabilities:
I -think- we saw people take half damage from Blitz/Lightning when they had resistances to Lux. I'd like to verify if this is actually the case?
And if it is, would this work in a similar fashion with Vulnerabilities?
This line of questioning actually was brought about from looking at Obedia's card. She has a Lux and Aquas Vulnerability. How might this Vulnerability work against Illusion which is a combination of Lux and Aquas?

I had also contemplated the use of a Lux, Aquas, or Illusion filled Hand Block of some type to place said element into Obedia in a similar fashion as when a certain slurring mage attempted to pull my soul out. Would this have been a possible use of Hand, and what would the impact have been (I'm fine with a theoretical answer.)

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

can we get a guide for another class? Maybe Rogue? We only have them for Mage and Hunter so far.

5mileys
5mileys

Like everything else, it requires a level and isn't gained for free. That's the simple ability of your Scholar Notes there.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Wait, just read this conversation thread.

So all it requires is for both players to be present? Or for that character to have not died? There's a few hunters who got some nice prayer skills as I recall that I'd have liked to collect but the players didn't return after the hiatus, at least not yet, so they're active participation isn't required like it was before? I can just say "I study X person for Y skill" and get it? (for example, I could study 'Revenge has no Home" or "hunter's lore" from Livia and not need her to pass up other types of actions between floors?)

likme
likme

Active players.

I will reiterate that this is only available for the SCHOLAR Scholar's Notes and are useful ONLY FOR THE FOLLOWING:

-Spells.
-Magic Abilities from spellstyles.
- An Adept "practitioner
- And their active and volunteered permissions on the matter. [Like any item trade]

What Qualifies.
-Something listed as being under a Spell or Magical Style.
- An ability tier your trainer has full mastered. Adepts can only teach base and only Master can teach Adept.

The Price:
-Your rest/Level up action
-THEIR rest/Level up action or a book equivalent in your possession.

Remember: This is an exception to Scholars. If you are /learning/ the class this is an entirely seperate matter so helps me Pumpkin.

likme
likme

wait so to teach a scholar something, then you need to give up your own action or give up a book of level equivalency to the one you're gaining?

Though Scholars can teach -each other- stuff in the same action, both using up a single level up to both teach each other a relevant thing such as a spell or rune, and to learn it?

And a scholar's notes automatically records any new things that they witness, as designated by a Star over the scholar's head? Does that mean that Thinly learned guilotine? I saw a few new words being tossed around by those gaolers and there was so much clutter on that area of the map that we might have missed a star.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Can other classes attempt to do magic such as a guide trying to use a mage book? Or a knight hunter trying to yell out the words guides use?

idontknow
idontknow

Teacher: Uses a Rest Action [is needed to level]
Student: Uses up a level to Learn and a Rest Action.
*Rest Actions so far are are what is available.
*PCAs are out.

Infotrade: Both are students.

Study: A book is written by a scholar detailing the contents of their notes. This same book maybe used in place of a live teacher. Any book will do. Some informative books can be found this way. Questi can be paid the maddest of premiums to write you one. Again this takes a rest or a crafting action to make.

And boy she /will/ charge you.

[Star]: It would only trigger for events or things deemed learnable. Wayward or wrong guesses will otherwise only waste your time and actions. If an event is witnessed this way. There is a possibility that the throes of inspiration drive you puzzle out the skill yourself without need of a teacher. In which case a [Study] is needed.

The only way any other class other than scholar to learn an offspec ability is during a Town or a qualified trainer**

**Runners are not these things.

[end note]

Playboyize
Playboyize

So what happens if the party does not have a trainer for a class and the only adept of that advance class were to die. Would that class be considered unavailable until we find a trainer?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Correct. That class goes extinct until otherwise proven.

Emberfire
Emberfire

I was going to wait until I got an answer before I asked another question but this made me wonder. It's more of a fluff question, I guess, but I don't think Guides have hollow heads, yet they can cast magic. Or a variant, I guess. I think it was mentioned once that the hollow heads of Mages was an unexplainable phenomenon -a result of gazing into the Mal, I think it was.
Is there any more information regarding the the nature and history of both caster classes?

Also, I think it was ..the Rule of Rose? Something Rose. Could you provide any more detail about that and its connection with Editors and Summoners?

StonedTime
StonedTime

Hm. 50036105 was deleted. Quoting for reference:
Can other classes attempt to do magic such as a guide trying to use a mage book? Or a knight hunter trying to yell out the words guides use?

Evilember
Evilember

Okay so viscounts at a point are able to entomb a creature inside a iron maiden and then be able to instantly kill it using the life sentance skill *and* create a weapon from it with no crafting cost or anything?

StonedTime
StonedTime

How do you keep going? Is it rewarding to alternatively have people destroy your worlds / destroy people?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

While not able to explain the answer to the first question I will instead describe to you the situation that this game is in.

When A videogame is created, played, and then placed on a shelf. Does it cease to exist ?

Or when a piano concert is performed, concluded and no longer persistent , does the song stop ringing in your ears ?

A world gets destroyed. Another is made. People die, people live. The world is a fake, a simulacrum a story to be told. The rules break, the game concludes - does that unmake the game ? Or invalidate the progress put into it ?

This is the experience most game developers go through when designing a game. And this is the interchange of the human condition happening in real time. A world in a glass bubble, undisturbed and untested will simply not move nor turn. It is a statue. Solid and real, yet impotent. You are not stirred, you are not invited to interact with it.
It should be written in a book instead. And even those works go through the editor's axe if not the author's.

What I am doing here in all honestly. Is allowing a story to write itself through the actions and agency of those that inhabit it. My trust in you equates to that of a single runner or perhaps 30 runners. It is pathetic yet promising at the same time.

In my opinion this is a game in the truest sense. I merely proctor the contents of this world and if need be play as the opposition. Losing is not my concern. Your destruction is not my concern. The world being "true" is far more important than both these things.

It just is.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Who runs the six biggest runner groups on the stairs?

And do these groups have influence for all of the stairs, or just this part of it?

Playboyize
Playboyize

Where does the runner's guild get all the mad cash it uses to pay runners for their stories? Zenni is gold. and gold is used up to power terminus crystals, so it's got finite and permanent drain at a certain point, so it's not like it goes back into circulation, how is the Runner's guild getting the cash to pay people?

TreeEater
TreeEater

and if they have an infinte cashflow, how do I get my grubby hands on it?

Oh! Oh! I've got a question sorta like Burkhards

Who's the greatest swords-person on the Stairs? Was it Frimelda? Or is it someone else?

How much can Avdol actually lift?

Will Rabbitspaw ever learn to cook riceballs?

How does Ishmael the Slayer look so good in that armor?

If Jackie could only bring 3 things to a deserted airship graveyard, what would he pick?

Jenny' the 13th semi-viable demon-host; are there some cool stories about the others? Or is it mostly tragic failure?

What is a Nihilid? Why does it need a host? And how do you make sure you don't have one in your brain-case?

What's the official Volga Anthem?

If Watchful looks into a mirror, can he see his own soul?

What's the spookiest creature you've yet seen? The cuddliest?

Is Maryland going to go mad and shoot everyone?

Is it true that Gilda never smiles?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

. . and worlds are being collapsed and destroyed at a voracious rate so that too is finite and permanent. And when all the gold in the spiral is lost I suppose you can say the entire walkable universe goes with it. Shouldn't that concern you more ultimately ?

Of course it should. We are merely buying time with what we can even salvage from the pieces and the survivors. And even that too shall pass.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

You WILL edit yourself and pare this down to the fewest possible ones.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Fine, I guess I don't want to monopolize your precious time. Man I do want to know about the spookiest creature you've encoutered.

But sure, are there some cool stories about the other demon-hosts? Or is it mostly tragic failure with a side of pathos?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Reading through the thread and this peaked my interest:

Who is this mysterious paladin?

5mileys
5mileys

Yeah but that just underlines my entire point. What is the runner guild's source of income? They don't sell anything that I can tell, they don't buy anything to resell it. They put up bounties, they dissiminate news, and they pay runners for stories. I can be plenty curious about how it works since it -must- work considering they're paying me, and I never pay them, nor do I see the mechanism by which my money eventually reaches them.

The Mal is a force of nature, it's not a thing of man. We might never stop the Mal, though I hope one day we might find a way to do so. I could spend my entire life trying to understand how the mal functions, and entire civilizations have spent their entire existences trying to do so only to be extinguished by it.

I think I have a better chance of understanding how the Runners Guild gets it's money than I do the functionings of the Mal, and so it's more productive to ask questions about it rather than the Mal.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Anniversary thread and my router decides to be a bitch

Is it time to fight bugs yet?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

=Ahh the old debate=
Long ago there existed many distinct sources of magic, but it was clear that they all flowed in tandem towards a greater flow. This was considered to be the Ley, and the mana observed here was a force privy to those who were aligned with such elements, druids, dragons, fae, and even elementals were the trademarks of such a source and they drew from the world around them.

Runic wyzards on the other hand have long ago been able to draw aether from the realm without. A void yet to be explored or known but is there all the same and affirmed with the commanding meaning of Thought itself and even the distant stars.

These two were regarded as equally "harmless" until such a time that the Mal has opened up and the falling aethers created a unique situation with the downpour of excess aethers and the rising level of heavy consolidated aethers with nowhere to escape but down. Legends say that mages of the void has been able to harness this dark power to great effect, picking out tepid aethers from the aer and using it to ascend while it became questionable if they still kept their souls at all.

It was believed that as a defense mechanism to the pulling influences of the MAL, mages had to remove their brain and suffuse it into the escaping aethers that are compelled with a singular will to go upwards. Meanwhile, Guides who are possessed of the Blood of Dragons, Fae, or other such creatures who commanded the mana of their world simply compelled themselves to keep going much like any living being, taking with them a sliver of their dying world's last breath as it fell to the Mal's greed.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Since Poka might be using Barthol's staff and for the benefit of all Poka will chase here are more Pulse questions

Pulses have different effects when cast on different targets yes? How many individual effects exist? Is there a difference when cats on empty terrain or a friendly character or a enemy character.

Barthol's staff has 3 elements Pyras, Hydra and Darc This will mean it can do 6 type of pulses. So far my info about these is as follows following.
Base elements

Hydra Pulse - creates a splash of Water, washes away wards/runes/fire and damages water vulnerable enemies.
Pyras Pulse - increases vigor? What in game effect does this mean? is it a buff? A stat change? How much? How long does it last? Does it create fire when cast on ground? Does it destroy ice?
Darc Pulse - Heals undead, harms living, the reverse of the base pulse spell. Does it create a dark area when cast on terrain like the opposite of Lux?

meta elements

Hydra+Pyras = Acid - Creates acid instead of water? Does it sunder Armor? Does it deal damage? How much? Does it have different effect when cast on ground or allies?
Hydra+Darc = Poison - Anti regeneration? Poisons the enemy instead of healing? For how much damage/turn? How long does it last? Do multiple poisons stack? Does it have different effect when cast on ground or allies?
Pyras+Darc= Cold - Creates ice? Does it do damage or freezes the enemy? If yes how long and how much does it work? Does it remove fire? Does it have different effect when cast on ground or allies? Can it create icy terrain?

cont

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

cont

What if one dual wields wands? So far I knew that dual wielding wands only gives the benefit of being able to cast with them individually without needing to switch hands. However you only gain the stats from the one you used to cast the spell and they don't stack. The elements from different ones cannot be combined or mixed. But if already you know an element by default then they can be mixed with the wand's elements.

Finally what is the "basic" Pulse spell that we cast when we have no wand equipped? Can that be cast with a wand in hand regardless of the wand's elements? Does it use the wand's stats or just base stats?

idontknow
idontknow

There's a reason why this information wasn't free to begin with. It would simply be /too good/ for it to be free.

So let's meet halfway here and give you an idea of how Pulse begins /shift/ when fusion elements are introduced.

The nature of the spells change depending on who or what you cast them to. In this case its Person or a Tile.

On a tile, you can expect an elemental equivalent to crop up from the Floor or aer or what have you. On a person Leylines of that element travel through them but causes them no harm even though some effects cause it indirectly.

Keeping up ? Good cause I'm not slowing down.

When Fusion elements get introduced their behavior is still the same on FLoor Tiles but in people the effect is markedly /beneficial/

Yes. Even Poison !

If you have figured out that a Poison Pulse casted on anyone living and breathing /cures/ them of Poison then you either have really trusting friends , or your betrayal took a left turn.

When The effect is Polarized however, you can be sure to expect Poison to do exactly what Poison would do if lobbed at someone's aether.

Cold increases one's Mag DEF by creating a barrier with a physical HP If aimed at their od, but creates a font of ice when casted externally.

And Acid applied to one's Od will grant one immunity from Ill effects for a number of turns.

And while I was hoarding all this information waiting to get paid for it , shouldn't you have found all this out Ms. I'mgonnabethebestguide !

As for your wands being indpendently wielded... well wands aren't supposed to be dual wielded really. But it's interesting that you and gilda are even trying it out of desperation !

Methshot
Methshot

But I will say this.

If you use a pulse spell with nothing but your own element then... technically its your life being used as a conduit. Don't make a habit of that or all our ghouls are gonna regret it ! .

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Oh, I have some questions too.

So, what's a Fellblade, exactly ? I know it's something about a weapon and mage souls, but what can I expect from those ? As the owner of one, I should try to learn more.

Also, do you know stories about legendary weapons ? Or legendary swordspeople, too, like Frimelda.

TechHater
TechHater

Questi did live with a legendary sword before.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Pure rogue/hunter advance class when? some of us don't want to sell our humanity yet
Also what does the [Ghoul] mutation gives you stats wise?

massdebater
massdebater

The Ghoul mutation gives you Fire Vulnerability, Darc Absorption and Healing Bane. Plus an iron stomach. I think you are just as unkillable as a Ghoul class but that could have changed.

Supergrass
Supergrass

"I have recently attained 'mastery' over runic magic, or so it is called. However, I do not feel the least bit like I may be called a master of anything. I've not the strength nor the depth of purpose to consider myself as such. What's more, I find myself saddled with a decision that I feel unequipped to make: I must find a new path to walk in order to hone my skill, and knowledge."

"I look to my colleagues for guidance and I find that their answer has been to borrow power from elsewhere; from technology, from beings of the aether, and from the ley itself."
"I look to my comrades and I find them enticed by dragons, midians, ghouls, and more. They find power in bindings of spirit and supernatural afflictions."
"I look to my enemies for ideas, and all I find are maladies of the mind and darkness of the soul. They have abandoned reason in order to simply exist amid this tumultuous world."

"I have no desire to embrace power that is borrowed from another. Borrowed power is merely the noose upon which once-great men are hanged. It ultimately belongs to another, and as such it is beholden to another. I must say that I admire the simple strength of the Knight, or the dutiful zeal of the Militia, for they make do with nothing more than their own strength of arms. They are not reliant on anyone but themselves."

"I called 'master' among those that bend the void to their will, and yet I am unsure of myself. Perhaps you've some advice for one such as I on what path I should walk?"

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Questi and Florian looked askance at each other as if both were waiting on a sign. Firstly Questi gave a raised brow and Florian tilted her chin as if in protest. Questi then gave a resigned look and rubbed her two fingers together in sign. Florian dropped her shoulders and gave an exasperated scoff.

youtube.com/watch?v=CJiG15euUes
Both: Have you heard of the Lich of Carneas ?

Questi: Don't do it.
Florian: Don't even try.
Questi: She's locked far below the deepest parts of an ancient prison I doubt she'll be able to get out anymore. If that prison even exists.
Florian: Clearly those good grades could not have been gained from any other method than the most darkest of means.
Both: And then they banned it.
. . . . . .
Questi: So now she's locked deep down.
Florian: Possibly below the Mal.
Questi: If the mal can even claim her.
Florian: That's why they locked her in the death war- FETH
. . . . . .
Both: Don't do it.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Thank you Questi but the question remains on how long such effects last? Is the Pow of the caster?

And while I was hoarding all this information waiting to get paid for it , shouldn't you have found all this out Ms. I'mgonnabethebestguide !

*pouts* Hmphh, you talk like I am one of them mages who get buried in books of all kinds to pick and choose from. One can only cook from what one has, would I have had the luxury of having all those wands and ample time to experiment, then I wouldn't be asking these questions you deem silly.

If you use a pulse spell with nothing but your own element then... technically its your life being used as a conduit. Don't make a habit of that or all our ghouls are gonna regret it!
Sigh, always dodging the questions with you cryptic Amphibian person.

Emberfire
Emberfire

How can she possibly be forbidden magic if she's not beholden to anything but what is within her own soul?

askme
askme

*Cough*

Still waiting on those names.

Who runs the Volgon nation, an Emperor? A generalissimo? A military junta that was all that was left of high command?

A democratically elected representation voted for by the people?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

If you use a pulse spell with nothing but your own element then... technically its your life being used as a conduit. Don't make a habit of that or all our ghouls are gonna regret it !

This reminds me: how would one go about making a piece of equipment that isn't a wand or book but allows the user to evoke magic through it? Is that something a wundermaker can pull off?

eGremlin
eGremlin

Well Morde was casting through a shovel

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

What? When was this!? I need to talk to Morde asap.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

He picked it up on Floor 4

Firespawn
Firespawn

Found it in the archives. Doesn't really answer how it's made though, or if that's what a wundermaker can craft.

Inmate
Inmate

Tell me about Guides - why do they wear the eyes on the sides of their hoods?

They've always looked like squid to me, which I find interesting. Is there a cephalopodic connection to the Guide design?

SniperGod
SniperGod

Yes.
What do you think is under their robes?
Tentacles!
Lots of them!

Those cute little heads? Tentacle puppets! You can have amazing articulation with just 8-9 tentacles.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Tell me about Guides - why do they wear the eyes on the sides of their hoods?
Because DUCKS!

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Sir? Is it possible to breathe in lux here in the prison? While in the lighter parts of the prison I mean.

I would also like to report that the [!] Symbol is not displaying correctly as the marine class identifier.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Are there any ways to speed up the preparation and casting process? Perhaps a spell that can be cast to assist?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

New question: Just how many fighting styles out there? It seems there's a hybrid class for every base. Are there any base classes we haven't seen? Is their a tier beyond advanced classes such a as master classes?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Question!

What are the stats on the calorie mates and Volgon Refillable water flasks?

Methshot
Methshot

I believe I can answer this. Every single faction has its own base class list, our own base classes are just those that we've started out with as an independent running group which calls in people with wanderlust or otherwise separated from their homes. There are overlaps, you find Hunters among Red Street, the Skyward Order and in the Shiraiya Clinic for example.

What we call advanced classes we find might sometimes be considered a base class in those factions instead. I believe the Druid is one of those, it is just that Guides can learn from them and adapt to their magic.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

"Delicious" and "Wet", respectively.

cum2soon
cum2soon

When can I start playing?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

As soon as the new game thread goes up. I do suggest picking a base class and asking any questions you have about them now though.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Knight Sigismund, at your service. I read a little bit of the helpful images and pastebin, so I think I'm good for now.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Which two skills are you looking to pick up for play?

Also if you have need or want, there's an IRC for skirmishes you can join for live updates and shenanigans! client00.chat.mibbit.com/?server=rizon.mibbit.org&channel=#Skirmish

JunkTop
JunkTop

Shield Bash and Counter. I want to be the one standing between evil and my weaker companions.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Ayy Ayy! That's a knight I want to be buds with right there! Shiny metal plated meat shields of friendship

5mileys
5mileys

When are games usually run?

TreeEater
TreeEater

Games are usually run over the course of (a) week(s), with one full phase per day.

So the time constraints associated with traditional quests aren't really there anymore.

Though there will probably be an announcement when our current game resumes.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

The game runs in phases. Action phase is when players can act and post actions. The window to post actions is usually very large, like in the realm of 10-15 hours. So as long as you find the thread and check it out once a day you should be fine.

Keep in mind it takes a while to know what the fuck is going on. It's a lot like dwarf fortress. It's a mess until you understand what's going on. So when you first start its best to only look at you're immediate surroundings

Other useful links are here pastebin.com/LuatcHLb

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Questi:Last I heard from Maryland, it's some General Hothead from the 2nd Warmachine since the President of the 1st has been missing in the Front Lines for some time.

Maryland: Its Warhead. His name is Warhead. Yea stupid I know. But since he was entrusted with the main host when the 1st Warmachine went on an expedition we listen to what they say or he's going to rain down the pain on us like so many illegal blockades. But word on the barracks say that his Secretary is what really runs the show.

Florian: Hmph and ever since I became the Lux Apparent emissaries from the Order have been descending to visit Luxendarc bidding me to ascend to one of their Seats of Trinity, of course I declined them until my duty as Librarian would conclude.

And according to Aya, The Red Queen still reigns the shipping Lanes of Red Street and in the Hunter's circle no one yet knows who the First Hunter but everyone suspects it's Loctice who runs the shop.

Questi: Shiraiya Clinic is run by an affluent family too who supposedly has connections with House M. I say Run but I really mean manipulate. Hahahah.

Runa: House M is proudly supported with the help of Grisaiah , and the will of the Overlord and the various Monster Houses that are in support like the Fierstrom family

And of Course, Fullbeard of the RUnner's Guild is too ancient to be considered a mere bartender in one of the longest running shops in the stairs. I dont think he's ever moved from that spot in well over a thousand floors !

Florian: And of course the 13th Board of Education who presides in the Tower of Crysal and haven't come down in well over a centennial. They tend to keep the law among us mages which is why rogue practitioners like Carri- Er The Lich of Carneaes got locked up.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

A note to new folks. As this is a general thread, it is generally acceptable to start your own character and have a sheet squared away in preparation for the next action phase.

I suppose we can move on to the next meal on our course . . . Florian ?

Florian: Ah, in preparation for the halloween event you may have already guessed it but the Pneumaether Prison will be host to many terrors and wonders and with so little turns to enjoy it we'll be reading select passages that will illuminate your quest for escape.

Quest: And of course the usual Patch announcements ! Spoooooky Patch Announcements

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Didn't we kill the Board of Education?

Nojokur
Nojokur

probably an older one than the 13th. Or we killed off their future echos. It's weird.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

We technically freed the souls of the Board of Education and killed the voidspawn jellyfish that had eaten them.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

I like the idea of future contained shenanigans.

Booteefool
Booteefool

So how long does a crystal corridor last in our...meta time and hour questi? If your even able to read past the metas

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

www twitch dot tv slash mondaydestroy

A live stream is happening of the new patch.
+ Character COncepts : )

viagrandad
viagrandad

If the Q&A is still running, I'd like to ask if rogue adept Skillz can combine to create new Skillz just like the non-adept ones do.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Just noticed Gilda has zettai ryouiki. Top cute.

Flameblow
Flameblow

The rogue community has yet to find out anything new on this front. However, as time goes by they will continue to develop new ways to acquire your zenny !

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

The harvest took some time. But the yield was good. Better in fact that the year before...

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Brainstorms!

takedown + scuttle : Disembowel, do atk damage bleed. Must be a back attack. Target is downed.

takedown + kicksteal : Seppekku, cause enemy to fall on own weapon

scuttle + kicksteal : Disarm, automatically remove downed enemy's arm if you deal damage

lightning reflexes + takedown + moonsault: you moonsault onto first enemy to fire at you from overwatch. They are downed. Once Tap

lightning reflexes + kicksteal : First melee attack against you this turn is dodged, enemy is downed. Once Tap

Takedown + Backstab : Approach a target from behind to perform a non lethal takedown, KO it for three turns

Takedown + Backstab : Run into a target from the back to stun them and send them sprawling . Stun and distance they slide forward depends on how much speed you built up. Only works on medium or smaller targets.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Hey, Spreadshot is a Load Action.

How does the marine's Re-Assemble affect it, if it all?

happy_sad
happy_sad

be militia
have near weakest stat of any class
have awful gun
have poor, time consuming skills

go to boot camp
train to be actual soldier-marine
DO YOU WANT STATS SON
S-sir?
ALL THE STATS SON! HP! STR! MAG? HAVE SOME MAG! MOVE? RUN SOME MORE LAPS HUT HUT HUT HUT HUT
turn into beautiful murder butterfly

Spamalot
Spamalot

Still needs a 3 combo skillz

LR+KS+TD: Nothing Personal: use a prepared action to dodge an attack slip behind an enemy and disarm. A weapon arte can be done instead of disarm.

Weapon Throw+scuttle: Fan throw: throw a weapon at the ground that splits into 3 projectiles. Throw weapon is destroyed.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Is this the new and improved class sheet?

Methshot
Methshot

yes

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Question will there be a update to the adept and adept advance classes? Or only the "base" classes

takes2long
takes2long

There should be once people are in close proximity of achieving it.

RumChicken
RumChicken

I think he means the visual update.

Supergrass
Supergrass

No i am wondering if there will be a adept hex map for the adept classes such as adept guide etc. And if there will be a update to them.

Flameblow
Flameblow

That's literally what I said.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Oh okay.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

No trouble, miscommunications happen. I hope we get it too honestly.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Strategy talk: I'm going to spearhead as direct a path as I can manage directly for the stairs. I need some people to volunteer. As I go, I'll be dropping rigs. I'll need some other hunters with rig to drop rigs as they go in other directions. If this is pulled off right we'll be able to evacuate everyone fast.

Anyone who is up for helping me spear ahead on this, and is willing to ignore everything else in favor of this, put
[*Vanguard*]
In your tripcode. Newbies can apply, but realize we'll be breaking ground first and foremost. One of us needs to bring chalk with us so we can draw wards for the guides and mages behind us as well.

takes2long
takes2long

"Mabye, Mister Hetros with my new weapon I believe I can help in creating a path or disabling giant creatures. If not I promise that I will try to plant rigs around the floor so that we can evacuate people more easily. So lets do this and try not to die."

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Did someone say "Spearhead" ? I'm basically the toughest guy out there, I can bring down walls, move and attack, and I have decent mobility.

Perfect fit, right ?

Playboyize
Playboyize

Then add the [*Vanguard*] tag to your title. We'll be punching through at the fastest possible speed once I've rested. I also have two Jerkies to hand out.

massdebater
massdebater

Well I'm not tough at all but in a way I'm just right for the job! Maybe, I think. I wish we had fun moments where I could pass trough walls and assassinate people too...

Flameblow
Flameblow

Mesmer Bite says it takes an act or can be active during Dungeon Phase. For Dungeon Phase do I need to work off of reserved acts? Or do I command them using their own act?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Well Zieg, I can think of ways you can be truly terrifying with your skills. You should be using skin tear and skin steal more often, wear the enemy like a shadow weasel would, get in close on the enemy, then go full horror-terror mode, whole-sale some dude, then rogue-throw him into his friends.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Well yeah but we always get in shitty situations against nightmarish monsters that are always aware of everything.

Also I still don't know what [Snatch] does.

5mileys
5mileys

test it on the next vaguly humanoid thing you fight, and skin steal -should- work on monsters too given the whole way that shadowweasels worked, it probably doesn't have to be humanoid.

farquit
farquit

I will use walk shift, and lurk to place a rigged tile directly at the exit so we will have the ability to extract at our pleasure Sir Hetros. That will give us the time to find any other friends who might be trapped here.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Alright, but remember, lurking breaks if you come within direct vision of an enemy, it's not 100% reliable.

TechHater
TechHater

I am aware, my new skills should aid me in my task quite well.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Alright, you head that way then I'll see about exploring more elsewhere. Also, I owe you an apology for using up your new maiden in the manner I did. I should have waited for confirmation" (I also had no idea that the maiden was used up by life-sentencing x-x;)

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

That is quite alright Sir Hetros. Given the circumstances I believe recovering it would have been impossible otherwise.

girlDog
girlDog

Question about weapon Artes! Does Sword Arms make me eligible to use sword artes? I know I could simply punch people in the face for fisticuffs (and I will) but the sword arts could be interesting.

askme
askme

"All the same, I owe you a weapon at the first opportunity. Consider yourself to have right of first refusal on any creature I life sentence, the only exception being if once again, something goes horribly wrong when I attempt to use that voidbeast's spine to improve my chains, and then I have to capture and live-sentence the product of that... if only because I've not got a grudge with the bedamned thing."

TechHater
TechHater

Rolled 10 (1d100)

Roll for seduction

Emberfire
Emberfire

Depending on the outcome of the phase I'll be looking to join [*Vanguard*] given that the Oaths are not an act to activate. I'll also be able to slap down wards without needing chalk, and provide good cover with shield formation. If I'm not of a decent status to make the run then I'll focus on keeping the bulk of our group safe.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Do Sword Artes only apply to Knights?

Bidwell
Bidwell

Nope, everyone gets sword artes!
Even mages!
But mages (as well as any other class) need to kill with a sword to gain sword artes and spend zeal to unlock the skills.
Which makes me wonder.
Are there Book Artes for hitting and killing a creature with a book?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

not asking about gun artes

What horrible things must I do to unlock gun artes?

viagrandad
viagrandad

pistol whip people of course.
kill someone with the bayonet on the blunderbuss
has any militia even tried charging head first into battle with it?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Wait so there are about 6 factions with their own classes of an indeterminate number and some advance classes are base classes of these factions. How is that possible? Using a shinobi as an example, their skills aren't totally reliant on a rogues but they are well complimented. On the other spectrum a viscount relies on having a rig for several of its skills.

Are there some classes that follow this trend and others that don't?

Inmate
Inmate

I imagine some follow the trend and others don't. Slayer could be a base class for example, where as Viscount obviously couldn't. That said, we know for a fact that the Viscount is a major class of the Circle of Hunters, which, if not directly affiliated with the Skyward Order, is a major friend of it.

And then you can look at Ghoul, and Vampyre, both are probably base classes of the House of M.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Huh that one's easy,

A Reassembled Spreadshot yields the following:
The next shot is a Spreadshot until the magazine's done.
The next shot is a Clustershot [+1Aoe from contact point] until the magazine's done
or
The next shot is single StreamShot of repulsion , sending a target back with force damage.

Methnerd
Methnerd

No Adept Grids unfortunately. Much in the same way they werent in a grid in the first place.

WebTool
WebTool

Seen any bards lately?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Some classes are very much clearly advanced versions of a base class. Militia and Marine, Hunter and Viscount, Guide and Navigator. Others, mostly the hybrid classes, but sometimes 'pure' evolution show up as base classes in other factions.

Personally I don't believe Shinobi is a base class, but in the Red Street factions home it might descend from a different base class then Rogue which is close enough too rogue to cross over. Perhaps the long lost Treasure Hunter finds its home there.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

The big class sheet is a bit hard to read, so I made an alternate version to help people confused by the format.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Worked on a slightly nicer one, but not quite as easy to understand.

Evilember
Evilember

4 can play at this game !

Alright Alright we can say goodbye to all those /extra/ hexes and focus on the ones your team can get their hands on.

The strings of fate has strum and in the spirit of this chaotic world, I grant ye all the ever changing face of the Wyrd Hunt.

Player version created.

Illusionz
Illusionz

I'm drowning in the visual lore I'm seeing.

girlDog
girlDog

I will probably doing my usual "stay far way from everything and be support center "stuff but I can support you through Justin as the beacon.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

I will Channel Livia. She will need my aide. I suggest you do not Channel me in case someone uses lux on her.

Are you going to use the dark wizard staff? It would be useful to me. I could pass on the instructor staff to someone else.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

I could use a wand for sure. Though I thought instructor staff was a navigator only wand. Is that not the case?

Lunatick
Lunatick

It is not. I have used it since I was a guide

5mileys
5mileys

Instructor's Staff (Level 2, Mag +2, Atk +2, Casting Range 3, Attack Range 2, Grants Hook and Pull, Grants Spirit, Lux, Aerias)
+ATK and ATK Range
Hook and Pull
Please tell me these stats are accurate.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Hook and Pull is for dragging students by their ears when they misbehave.
Atk+2 is for beating the stupid out of them.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

I need this. Being able to pull allies into a space where I can cover them with shield formation would be a blessing in of itself.

Does that make this a chord weapon though?

RumChicken
RumChicken


They are. You do not have a wand. You may have the staff. Regardless of whether Poka gives me Dark Wizard Staff.

Give [P1] Justin the Instructor's Staff (Level 2, Mag +2, Atk +2, Casting Range 3, Attack Range 2, Grants Hook and Pull, Grants Spirit, Lux, Aerias)

I must note that this is dependant on me existing the floor successfully.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Same here. We started the phase right next to one-another mind you.

... Though I guess it wouldn't be unreasonable to not be noticed by a senpai so easily.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Gilda if you are going to be healer for the Undeads of the group then you might as well take it, so take it with my blessings and stop Zieg from missfiring again if he zerks.

Inmate
Inmate

Very well. Thank you. I shall channel Ziegfried as well.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Alright now that most of everyone here... you probably all have some questions.. or don't and likely accepted your situation.

But I'll answer the chief one; We're in the Pneumaether labyrinth.

As you know it's an area deep below the umbral sea -- that is it's the hypochronous form of the Mal's influence as translated by the Crystal Corridor's space time distortion. Don't be alarmed, that we live yet is testmanent to this /structure's/ design.

Of course since this area used to be the previous corridors of ages past it must be. But because it was visited by residents older than even the creatures in the understairs we can only assume that only death remains in these steps. And not only that but the oppressive /dead/ aethers that are resigned to accumulate in these halls, pushing the umbral sea back.

There in lies the rub sea. The reason we're all locked up here with no memory of our arrival is simply because we have been saturated here for an indeterminate amount of time - saturated in the very dead airs of this place. This has troubling implications but I have proven that we live yet. If not slightly addled by the stagnant aer.

Speaking of the aetheric pressure, there is another quality that I should mention, it's ... we'll it's the pressure itself. You see this prison is build in layers locked away by those valve doors there however we've been able to divine the structure's layout by simply travelling through Maryland's limited memory of it. But should those doors open, the pressure will escape from the lower sections of the prison, and the Umbral sea level rise. This creates two conditions;

The First: In order to escape we must find the pressure door above us

The Second: Whoever notices our escape will surely notice that the pressure has fluctuated and those selfsame doors will close on us.

Maryland was kind enough to offer a third feature of those Valve doors however; they are automated. So neither the doctor nor us can truly do anything about it.

Emberburn
Emberburn

youtube.com/watch?v=iCEDfZgDPS8

When those Valve Doors close, it will be because the Umbral Sea has reached a critical point and to preserve the pressure must close to prevent it from rising further.

Our fates UNDER the doors will be hard to determine if this was to happen. But rest assured nothing in the history of this prison gets above those doors once they close. It's mathematically proven to be true since not even the Aether that prevent the Umbral Sea's rise makes it through.

Now, some very hard truths on the matter.

When we were captured, the last thing I remember was the Wyrd Hunt being attacked on all sides both on the Floor and in the Corridors. The fate of the others are unknown and with the disparate time differences of the two realms it's unsure if they are even in this life anymore. You must assume that anyone not in those cells or with us.... is lost, however I would not demolish the hope that everyone else is safe. /They must be/ and they simply await us.

DeathDog
DeathDog

I have a question about Acid's pulse, immunity. Would it prevent mortality and fatality effects such as those on Ghouls and Midians?

massdebater
massdebater

With that said our resolve isn't the only thing challenged this FLoor, nay our very ability to ascend is being opposed by it's Gaolers. According to the tales left by older prisoners here we are dealing with ...
well.. just listen.

" In herest be the daemon's domain for these wards are ruled by Gaolers Six ,

I.The Collectors of whom wore the face of those damnable mage hunters that ruint my family. "
II. The Giant of whom they captured and crowned as their loyal dog after his bloodlust has driven 'im mad
III. The Knights of whome there are 6. For they have been charged the Order's best, and resigned to life in these Halls. Their zeal prevents them from leaving not till they see us eaten by the Mal.
IV. The Sisters of Whom there are 6. The Twisted sisters were once prisoners older than even the First summoners to be captured. They feast on them delight in their anguish and wear their skins like so many toys. Beware the sisters for there is no end to them.
V. The Doctor. A man who seems to be in control of these halls has joined their circle delightning in his creations and putting us to work on making infernal weapons for the highest Bidder. This is said to be a few of his toyes for I cannot fathom deeper depths to his machinations.
VI. The Traitor. You 'll know the traitor not for they-

The note ends here...

"Besides the Reapers there are others willing to keep us here. Know also that the Prisoners of this depth are those sentenced to die by the mal but are according to many records, beyond death and so were locked away here where no recourse exists but down -- and perhaps lower.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

" As far as I understand it, it would only prevent internal statuses from taking root so if you've already gotten it, then it's too late. The only exception here would be petrification and other forms of crystallization I believe... "

*coughs* anyways back to this.

" With Runner not present, it falls on me to be his replacement. Once we get out of this prison, we can return to our usual quest of killing astral creatures "

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

"So basically, what you're saying is that if the doors close on us after we've opened them once, they'll STAY closed. Can we close the pressure doors behind ourselves as well? Seal the passages behind us? And prevent pressure from building improperly?"

Evilember
Evilember

Im afraid these doors only open or close under strictest conditions. . . . now if I was to calculate those conditions to you I can safely say that these doors should only Open Once, or Close Once. Doing so would irrevocably change the pressure of the pneumaether. And by that logic some doors could open or close based on the readings of our Terminus Clocks - which measure the gravitational proximity of the mal - in a short phrase.

Supergrass
Supergrass

"It is a good thing, then, that our adversaries so graciously provided us with a handful of tomes capable of casting Vacuum magic with. While I am under no illusion that they will be as effective as one might hope, they would give us some small measure of control over pressure differentials if used properly, would they not?"

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

What are the stats on Treachercide? This has suddenly become very relevant.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Is it possible for an adept or master of a base class to teach someone who is in an advanced class that is derived from the adept/master to learn their skills?

Example: [K]night advances to [P]aladin learning Pulse from an adept/master [G]uide. Yes/no?

massdebater
massdebater

Yes but I imagine you'll be taking up that person's precious rest action for getting them to teach you something basic. Or you can just pay me a small premium of 500 zny and you can get a one time use Book ! b ; )

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

You will also be spending yours.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

I hope you do know that Livia and Midians can not be healed the same way Ghouls can be? They are not healed by darc magic.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Sounds like 500z is a reasonable price after we get in touch with the guild again.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Regen works right? If they can get nearby me after a spirit pulse then they can snag regen because of choir.

TechHater
TechHater

So, guys, this seems interesting and I'm thinking about joining but I have several questions:

What is the current situation of the party? Where will I appear? In which floor are we? Since I will be a lvl1 character does it mean I will get oneshotted by a lvl99 random enemy or will I be able to fight some lvl1 monsters?

RumChicken
RumChicken

We are in an ancient prison, subfloor 2. The party is in the last stages of calmly but panickedly evacuating from subfloor 1. No one knows where we will appear since the deployment on subfloor 2 haven't yet started. Any Lv 1 character can be useful except mage. More Guides and Hunters are always welcome. You'll probably have to avoid direct combat though. You'd be able to fight Lv 1 monsters, the question is whether you'll find any.

Techpill
Techpill

I wouldn't want to test that myself, since spirit is lux based? May end up giving midians a damage over time instead of regen.

eGremlin
eGremlin

So, guys, this seems interesting and I'm thinking about joining but I have several questions:

What is the current situation of the party?
There are roughly 30 people with about half being veterans half being newbies.

Where will I appear? In which floor are we?
We are currently on Floor 6 (consider this the episode) escaping a horrific prison of death and ancient horrors. Currently on the 2nd subfloor and have around 20 turns to make it happen half our team is currently resting.

Since I will be a lvl1 character does it mean I will get oneshotted by a lvl99 random enemy or will I be able to fight some lvl1 monsters?
If you play like a fool and go up against the unknown then yes you will be one shotted. Sure you will not be fighting the badass boss that threatens lvl 10 players. But this is a team game and there are ways for even level 1 players to be useful just by simple actions of picking up stray items, delivering items, helping people into position, drawing wards/runes etc. There will be lower level monsters you can help to handle in a group of lower levels but indeed the death chance is higher.

A level 1 mage may not have spells that are useful but unless he comes with no items he comes a precious chalk and that can help drawing runes/wards.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

A level 1 mage at minimum has a fire book and student notes of some kind, and if you get oneshotted you can always roll the death dice. Velen only had a two word book up until like a couple turns ago. Also runes are WAY underused.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

The problem with the low level mage is everything has more MAGDEF than you can defeat and apart from that you only have chalk that you're generally too squishy to use where it's needed.

I concur on runes being underused though.

RumChicken
RumChicken

As a newbie mage one of the very first thing you will want to do is to read the book in your bag. That will give you a secondary element to use. Which leads to my second point.

Drawing runes is one way to help, however Block as a spell can be useful as well. If you manage to get Teras Line Block you can make bridges, pyras can create light by making a burning tile. Block Aer will help clear poison gasses, Block Hydras will clear out dangerous liquids like poison and acid.

takes2long
takes2long

In regards to where you'll spawn, it'd be in the room everyone is in. That is only if you wait until we've fully evacuated the current subfloor.

But midians have regen innately right? I thought that was how they recovered naturally outside of actively biting people for (what I've heard to be described as) delicious vitae.

Skullbone
Skullbone

No way everyone will spawn in that room, there's just no space. Probably somewhere nearby where the For of War currently is.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Alright so I guess nobody read the whole deal that when you >Rest you're dismissed from the map. Maybe people missed the visual cue on resting characters that they are faded-out quite a bit. Perhaps they just skimmed over threads or don't go into the IRC to confirm or refute their assumptions.

In any of those cases, there is no means that there isn't enough room for people in there until Monday/Questi/Pumpkin declares it otherwise. There are mechanics in place which so far have shown that we can fit multiple people in the same space as well. Maybe two at max, but that's still more than enough room for everyone in our 40 or so party population to be in the safe room.

If you would like to take part in the IRC where questions are answered and strategies are concocted: client00.chat.mibbit.com/?server=rizon.mibbit.org&channel=#Skirmish

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

I meant "spawn for the next subfloor".
I don't know if a newbie could deploy right in the saferoom while the previous subfloor is still open.

Also I'm not that potential novice, I just left my trip at home

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Midian regeneration may be different than the one given by spirit pulse. I mean if livia wants to take that risk, don't let me stop you, but don't you dare cast it on me without knowing if it harms midians or not.

Techpill
Techpill

Sounds like a deal, though I'd prefer waiting until someone sires Short who seems to be really willing to be experimented on.

farquit
farquit

get one-shooted

Yes. But only because most do.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Got a list of questions, but I'll sit with two easy yes/no ones for now.

What are the effects of Spirit pulse on a Midian/lux fatal character? As in; does a Spirit pulse regen effect act as a poison or life-drain effect on a midian?

If a character has the four default skills of a base class but didn't go adept, can a master of that base class teach them the adept skills then? If this was already answered in the earlier question regarding cross-class skill learning then just ignore this question.

Nojokur
Nojokur

I've got a question.

I've seen the alquemist use a 5 word Engrave action, but according to the adept sheet the TEK says 3 words, not 5. The base one has 2.

Did Coffe accidentally combine his base class alq box with this advanced class alq box and triple their total stats together?

Emberburn
Emberburn

The TEK says "+3 words". An important distinction since what gives the base alquemist their 2 words, their 2 chambers, is an off hand item, not armor. This is very very important, because it means the TEK can improve even the most basic book in the same manner.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Rabbitspaw has questions, Misterly Scholarly. Is it okay if he asks a few? Will try to be concise-precise.

Also Rabbit can pay a little bit if it is required-neccessary as due compensation.

Would like to know if!

Lux Pact needs Lux. Lux is from sunlight, and light, and nice things. Not much in prison, so is small supply. Can Lux Pact people like Rabbit gather Lux with their Actions?

Rabbit promises he is not trying to start a cult-sect but maybe other Wyrdies would like to know about beneficial scheme of great dragon. Can Lux Pact people help others form a Lux Pact?

Rabbitspaw once detonated-destroyed 33 evil mobolins. Helpful Grenouille did special magic in a big desert. Sigismund fought many people with a sword. All used Lux Breaths to aid-help. This is Magic! Is not a mage.

Maybe Rabbits can ask how much Lux Breath can help with?

M-maye Rabbit can even ask how much it helps to have Conviction to channel Lux Breath to do a Specific Thing?

(please also tell Rabbit how to cook riceballs please please please please)

w8t4u
w8t4u

Every adept item says +stat. If they all go on top of your starting armor to improve their stats, everyoe should take advantage of it.
The TEK is its own seperate item and not the lvl 2 Tinker's Kit that an alquemist start with. So how is it and the starting it somehow combining their stats?
Also can an alquemist use their adept tek to give a book +3 words? Ball ball ball ball ball ball RING with alquemist Mag would be fantastic.

Playboyize
Playboyize

An add-on to Lux Pact: Can a Lux Pulse restore breath to a Lux Pact character?

happy_sad
happy_sad

Yes.

takes2long
takes2long

Just one per pulse or by POW?

cum2soon
cum2soon

From what I remember on the matter it does not say one way or another. archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/45174569/#45194799

Flameblow
Flameblow

use of Lux based spells against them will give them an additional breath.
Well from the wording it looks to mean only 1 breath per spell.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Maybe, I'd seek clarification.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

youtube.com/watch?v=4T9qVpa6coE

At the the start of next turn It will be Act phase, however the results of the previous Act phase was not recorded and so this phase will include actions from the Act phase as well as Enemy Actions. Please take note.

Emberfire
Emberfire

desuarchive.org/qst/thread/783586/

I think that'll work?

Emberburn
Emberburn

I understand the other questions I had were probably not of the free variety (I also posted some as sort of a bump from page 9ish) but, if you're still answering questions, I'm seriously wondering if Author Skills can be had?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Thank you specialist.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Putting this up for someone