Runewars Miniatures Game

>>Rank and file
It's a dead niche, so saying "KoW is the King of rank and file..." means nothing.

Hardly. That's like saying historical don't exist.

If you are talking about popularity then Warmachine is still larger and sells more, so no.

Meant to reply to

>That's like saying historical don't exist
They didn't.

Didn't at one point in time before some Prussian guys decided to make up Kriespiel? That sounds about right.

>AoS (since it's still best fantasy miniature and most popular fantasy wargame).

>Top fucking kek, AoS is the King of fantasy wargames.
Read nigga read.
aos is not a battle of trays v trays.

>It's a dead niche, so saying "KoW is the King of rank and file..." means nothing.
which is why there is a fan mad 9th edition.
Which is why KoW exists.
Why 3rd party creators still stock square bases and not round

There's a market for it and a niche
Perhaps more of one had they taken the time to push fantasy rather than taking the basic design of LotR and dumbing it down for 40ktards
Go suck off a sigmarine

Its star wars in fantasy with block regiments.
They took a selling concept they already own (star wars) and combined it with the good´ol WHFB block formation that people has been missing.

Its FF we are talking about here, they will do anything to make money, and they do it good (because they have whole departments dedicated to these kinds of questions, unlike small fries such as GW).

The regiment bases is a good thing. This is coming from someone who spent waaay too many years gluing fucking magnets all over the place, because GW couldn't be fucking bothered to innovate.

The fluff for this new game is the biggest hurdle to overcome. Not even people who play decent religiously give a single fuck about the setting.

I agree, I think FF can bring many good things to the wargame stage. But I also think this game is the main reason we wont be seeing any more GW games produced by FF, which in truth is a shame (at least I think so).

It's the 4th generation Flightpath (""""X-Wing"""") game to come out.

1) X-Wing (It does have issues, despite what people say)

2) Star Trek: Attack Wing, first deviation from X-Wing rules. Wizkids licensed Flightpath. (Numerous issues from launch because Wizkids, though it's mostly patched up now. Dedicated fans.)

3) D&D: Attack Wing. v2.0 reboot, very removed from X-Wing. (Again, Wizkid issues as usual, very small fanbase, was doomed from the start despite a superior ruleset from launch.)

4) FFG Runewars. The most departed from X-Wing, but it's FFG so we'll see.

>too muchcartoony aesthetic
I'm liking it actually.

Shit's been either GW-wannabe aesthetics or now "Oh yeah, anime is popular lets cash in on that" aesthetics.
I just want something else.

I'm going to buy one, definitely.
At best, a cool, simple wargame in a box that I can use to convince friends to get into the hobby with me
At worst, some minis I can paint or use for KoW.

I'm excitied. I always liked the hints of lore we got for Terrinoth, so hopefully this expands it.

I like the models, they have an old school Warcraft cartoony vibe which hits me in the nostalgia. I also like the special movement trays. They'll sure make swapping unit sizes from game to game easier.

FFG tend to do good work in my eyes, so I'll most likely pick this up out of curiosity and hopefully it'll do well enough to get other factions(I know of I think 4 others in the setting).

The models initially do look cool, as others have said, the aesthetic is neat. But I am going to hold out my excitement until we see more detailed photos.

If I like them, I will probably use them for AoS or something.

It seems to me FF have truly taken the "video-games look" to heart when doing the esthetics of these models. Each and every one could have been taken out of a fantasy RTS and made a model by the looks of it.
Now I know GW has had its rough critique due to the fact that many oldhammer fans liked the grimderp periods of WHFB (Mordheim and the like), and where furious about GW "Cartoonyfication" of the game. And just about any of the new releases is a direct copy of your run of the mill, generic WoW character!
And it seems FF caught on that train as well by the looks of it.

My biggest concern isn't the looks of the models though, its the quality of them. Will we travel back or forth in the benchmark of miniature quality, that is what relay interests me!

>which is why there is a fan mad 9th edition.
Yeah great example one ETC with less than 10 games, really popular.

>using FFG miniatures
Seriously?

Name ten replacement games for epic, bfg, bloodbowl or mordenhiem/necromunda.
All of these have a niche , many of them with extremely dedicated fans.
The truth is you can't really.
As far as i've seen there comes one popular variation and most of the market share is eaten away by people recasting and playing with old rules.

Bloodbowl is perhaps the most popular one having guildball, the Manic dreadball game and like 2-3 kickstarters for different games.
That's it.

BFG has two, Firestorm armada and DFC

Epic 2-4 if you count kickstarters that haven't deliver yet and about 3-4 new casters.

Mordernhiem sort of evolved into maufaux not a perfect comparison which is why like epic and bloodbowl it has it's won living rulebook

And the closes thing to necromunda is the judge dread miniatures game and maybe infinity if you stretch it.

The division of the market is not always an indication of the popularity of the game.
KoW existed before the squatting of fantasy, released a second edition around the same time as the squatting and public stated that anyone could enter models from other companies into their tournies to draw in Fantasy fags.
then 9th edition took a bit of the rest.
You do have things like dues vult, lions rampart and Saga.
Anything smaller than this is too small to be noticable.

>All of these have a niche , many of them with extremely dedicated fans.
Yes, and their niche is so small that all specialists games died.

I might get some use out of the undead, but Blizzard ≥WC3 is not an aesthetic I dig, at all.

Games die when they are killed, user.

>Games die when they are killed
They weren't killed, they were dead already.

You kill off fanatic magazine and don't touch your product lines for ten years. No articles about said games or updated FAQs.

Yeah, your sales will be non existant. However the games are far from dead and still have big followings and are played periodically. Not constantly but many people go back to them. They just buy other figures.

>Yes, and their niche is so small that all specialists games died.

Yeah, no mate.

More people still turn out for real-world Blood Bowl tournaments than 40k ones.

>real-world Blood Bowl tournaments than 40k ones
Yeah I'm not even part of this conversation and I'm pretty sure you're a moron.

Wow, those models looks incredibly shit. Worse than AoS, which is quite a feat.

>we have no closeups yet, only small images and far shots
>wow they look incredibly shit!
Go back to your hotglue fap KD and infinity models. At least judge them when we get a better shot of them.

>AoS (since it's still best fantasy miniature and most popular fantasy wargame)

>AoS is the King of fantasy wargames.
Full retard.

We have much closer images than this, don't be a liar.

And even at this range we can tell that those Warcraft design tier humans with their cartoony spade swords are total shit.

Guild ball is way more popular than BB and it just came out.

Sure thing, kid. Whatever.

>AoS.
>Wargame.
It's a Skirmishing game. It was barely a game until it got points to, full of broken and silly rules and people was eating it. But people here seems to like it so who I'm to judge.

>More people still turn out for real-world Blood Bowl tournaments than 40k ones.
>source: my ass
Nice denial guys.
>It's a Skirmishing game. It was barely a game until it got points to, full of broken and silly rules and people was eating it.
And it's still more popular than WHFB+Specialists Games+9th Age+KoW. Get the fuck out of Veeky Forums shiteater.

looks like another generic stuff to me, but FFG throwing its mass behind tabletop wargames is good news.

also skellies look nice. i may be picking some up on ebayz.

anyone got bigger pictures of heroes?

Only one issue that I have with Xwing is that it requires you to purchase everything to stay balanced.

They also hate faq only changing stuff to clearify and relying on new content to balance.(until recently with the jump master nerf, at least)

The amount of shitposting, trolling and bait-biting in this thread is mindboggling.

Face it there will never be another good mass formation fantasy wargame.

KoW is good for me. Fast paced, balanced, and variety in armies. Plus lot's of tournies if it's your thing.

I'm out. This thread is not about discussing runewars anymore.

And no, aos is not at fault for it

>aos
>is not at fault for it

We know about the setting?

>AoS is bad
I wish this mem die already.

But it is bad user

>And it's still more popular than WHFB+Specialists Games+9th Age+KoW.
Flavour of the month is flavour of the month.
IT was neither popular nor was it PLAYABLE until they added points.

Don't actually know the figures on that globally, though given the native market dominance of Gamesworkshop that wouldn't surprise me.
They took the LoTR rule set, dumbed it down.
It's fucking hard to get marketspace here because brick and mortar stores and players have to bank actually making a return on investment.
For example my local store has swung out trying to introduce 7 different wargames.
I am 90% certain the only reason AoS has any players what so ever is because it's a GW product, was pushed heavily by a company that dominates most stores and has it's own stores ensuring somebody would get a chance to play it,
>>Get the fuck out of Veeky Forums shiteater.
>your Veeky Forums
>your
>Veeky Forums
>>>/AoSG/
That's your Veeky Forums, get back into your hole

Well I wish the meme that aos isn't shit would die, but we can't always get what we want.

didn't say AoS was /bad/
Oh i do believe it is and not only because I've had to shelve a 4000 point dwarven throng but that isn't the point.

AoS IS at fault for this,because it was the subject that derailed the thread.

When someone had to go and call AoS the "the king of fantasy games"

>>I wish this mem die already.
I wish the mem that AoS is playable would die already.
This all started as a massive shitpost, then poe's law kicked in.

It's mediocre at best, and it was very bad at launch. It's only popular because it's a GW game, any other maker would have sunk in the first shit storm than were the first months. Also I don't see it being as sucessful as even old WHF worst days.

Yeah, because these are such well designed, sculpted models.

They're shit, dude. Let's not even bring Infinity into it, fucking Warmahordes is better.

These are possibly the most generic, uninteresting, poorly designed models I have ever seen.

I'll be honest, I like them even more up close. Sorry that I have shit taste, man, I hope it hasn't hurt you too bad.

the undead look fine to me
the restlook like wow rejects

Well look at that, bargain bin WoW knockoffs. That explains why OP's pic was so small.

Eh, it's okay, at least you acknowledge that you're a pleb.

Yeah, I reckon the undead could look acceptable with a nice paintjob. The giant worm thing is extremely poorly sculpted from the looks of it, but, with the exception of being generic as hell, the skellies are fine. I will give this box one thing - if you want a bunch of totally generic skeleton warriors for use in D&D encounter or whatever, these will do fine. The humans are generic enough to work as town guard type dudes too.

Their problem, really, is that they have no character. I'd never want to play either of these factions because I can tell nothing about them.

I like the idea of using descent-like dice with surges, having different conditions and the way morale works.

Everything else is overkill however. The movement trays and movement templates are shitty, the way the dials and activations work is slow and cumbersome, the whole thing with the rune tokens is yet another layer... it's all too much.

This thing will be DoA, one of the main reasons why X-Wings is popular is because it can be played with 2-3 minis per side. Go ahead and convince non-wargaming plebs to paint 30 models to play this shit.

>too much cartoony aesthetic
>Proprietary movement trays
>Special dice
>rules of a ww1 dogfight game, that were adapted to a space dogfight game, now adapted to fucking rank and file fantasy

Jesus tapdancing Christ. Probably won't last long. Its not even worth the minis.

>Yeah, I reckon the undead could look acceptable with a nice paintjob. The giant worm thing is extremely poorly sculpted from the looks of it, but, with the exception of being generic as hell, the skellies are fine. I will give this box one thing - if you want a bunch of totally generic skeleton warriors for use in D&D encounter or whatever, these will do fine. The humans are generic enough to work as town guard type dudes too.
>Their problem, really, is that they have no character. I'd never want to play either of these factions because I can tell nothing about them.
Damn straight
Dpends on the price though I'd pick up some of the cheaper mantic sculpts for skellies.
I wish there were more dwarf skellies, fucking love that shit

skellingtons are quite cool

elves are meh, but that may be paintjob's fault. i'd paint them in more hushed tones, not this cartoony mess

golem is plain awesome, as far as golems go

horses are nice

>IT was neither popular nor was it PLAYABLE until they added points
It was popular before the point, and it's became most popular fantasy wargame after the points, because let's be clear, there is no need in KoW and 9th Age since AoS git the points system and only butthurt WhFBfans will deny it.
>For example my local store has swung out trying to introduce 7 different wargames.
None cares about your shithole.
>That's your Veeky Forums, get back into your hole
Fuck off, it's our Veeky Forums, because the Warhammer is only reason why this board exist.

Undead looks great (reminds me HoMM5 skellies), paladins looks really ugly (like Mantic Basilea).

These models reminds me of HOMM5, anyone else got this feeling? Especially the skeletons!

>Wasn't playable before they added points

To me it was the other way around. I started playing it when points hit the grid, but fast realized that this isn't a game you should be to focused on points with to begin with. It gave them the opportunity to make me try the game out, and it was pretty damn fun to be frank.

They remind me of the guy from MediEvil honestly, which is a good thing. They're a little too generic for me though, but maybe that can be fixed with a different paint job or a little greenstuff.

Well I really wished that humans looked more like HoMM5.

Dude, I'm an AoS player. I love AoS, and even i think you are a massive faggot. You really aren't helping our case at all.

I feel I have to apologize for you on behalf of AoS players. We really aren't like you.

Nice false-flaging hater.

You're an imbecile. AoS is a great game, but I'm not the faggot making some stupid claim that it's the most popular on the market because THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY TO PROVE IT. All people can provide are anecdotal evidence. Get your head out of your ass and just play the game and enjoy it yourself, not troll threads about AoS. You're just as bad as the backlash haters we got day 1.

>but I'm not the faggot making some stupid claim
>Says the same person who posts
>I feel I have to apologize for you on behalf of AoS players

>THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY TO PROVE IT
The other fantasy wargames are dead (oh shit, excuse me, always lose Warmahordes).

>>It was popular before the point,
Ha no.
>> and it's became most popular fantasy wargame after the points, because let's be clear, there is no need in KoW and 9th Age since AoS git the points system and only butthurt WhFBfans will deny it.
You don't like good arguments do you.
Literally the only reason why this survives in the market IS GW
>>None cares about your shithole.
And you don't care about argumentation you idiot.
the point was buying this was a net loss thus they stopped trying.
Gw is garenteed for support and fan base.
In that sense both fans and stores prefer them because they are stable.
In otherwords why AoS is popular at all is because it has large backing.
>>Fuck off, it's our Veeky Forums, because the Warhammer is only reason why this board exist.
1. 40k not AoS no matter what similarities there might be between the two.
2. i am a warhammer player, numbnuts.
3. furries had a role if you know your history.
4.
>table top games must be AOS
>i have to push my shitty game
>everyone he must suck my dick

>>The other fantasy wargames are dead
>dead
>kek

I like that black ork
Where can i find it?

It's part of the Ironjawz range for AoS. They're under Grand Alliance: Destruction

>Ha no.
Yep.
>Literally the only reason why this survives in the market IS GW
And reason why none plays KoW and 9th Age is because it's shitty games, with ugly models.
>Gw is garenteed for support and fan base.
>In that sense both fans and stores prefer them because they are stable.
>In otherwords why AoS is popular at all is because it has large backing.
So what?
>1. 40k not AoS no matter what similarities there might be between the two.
It's still Warhammer.
>i am a warhammer player, numbnuts.
Former, since you speaks like typical GW-hater.

Everyone, stop replying. It's pretty clear you are all talking to an idiot. Just leave him be, let him bump the thread with his bullshit and fade into obscurity.

but i want to see how far this idiot goes

hiro you fucking faggot stop

While nothing is certain about the rules, KoW already does ranked fantasy combat very well, and I don't see a reason to switch from it.

>not AoS (since it's still best fantasy miniature and most popular fantasy wargame

>Get the fuck out of Veeky Forums shiteater.
>shiteater
>while shilling one of the shittiest wargames published
top kek

mfw this thread is dildos

I like the worm, golem, and skellingtons.

I'm digging the big guys. The worm and golem both look awesome.

They also showed some other models at GenCon, didn't they?

I'm interested to see what they do with Elves, Dwarfs and Orcs.

Terrinoth i think had ties to the FFG disk wars games back in 1999. Some of the names are the same if i remember correctly.

>KoW already does ranked fantasy combat very well
>niche totally dead and abandoned by all serious companies
Nice denial.
>one of the shittiest wargames published
>source: my ass

Nice WoW miniature.

Not sure. Only saw the stuff they've been showing in the starter. And yeah, really want to see some of the other stuff.

The games weren't updated because they were unpopular and dead.

AoS is fucking garbage. If you wanted to play a super casual fantasy wargame, there's nothing saying you can't throw out the points and eyeball it in any other game. If you want to play a balanced, even contest, the generals handbook is a bandaid at best.

For me runewars has unique chance. Minis are nice and kids friendly (WoW like almost) and rules are very very well designed. The dials make for tactical planing that better suits big block of troops games. As a Star Wars Armada guy I belive that FFG can get balance better then GW ever did and on top of that most mechanics have organic feel twords them and are tournament friendly

>AoS is fucking garbage
You aren't welcomed here.

Damn, I don't even like the general look of AoS, but there really is no comparison between and
I don't see how this game could be a serious contender in any way.

Yes he is. Most of Veeky Forums agrees that AoS is terrible. Your kind have to stay in your general.

>Most of Veeky Forums agrees that AoS is terrible
One dead general ≠ Veeky Forums.
Veeky Forums loves 40k and AoS and dislike WHFB and it's toxic community.

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