Horus Heresy General /hhg/

Mk3 best armour

Ah, I see what you mean, the red stuff on his helmet is paint. Thiel was marked for censure right before the battle of Calth because his CO found out that he'd been running exercises dealing with how to fight other space marines.

Thus, his helmet got painted red (pretty sloppily as well, considering how much has gone over his gorget) and he got sent to the flagship for his sentence.

When Thiel rallied the loyalists aboard the flagship and led the effort to repulse the daemons/word bearers, his red-painted helmet ended up being adopted by other squad leaders as an easy means of identification.

Ten thousand years after Calth, all the sergeants in the Ultramarines have their helmets painted red.

Well, Thiel was a standout leader as well as a supreme swordsman, I feel as though he should get something to represent that as well.

please tell me this mortal chracter in prospero burns isn't a perpetual or im going to stop reading immediately

So, here's a silly question.
A. Is there a BRB for HH? Or can I just use the 40k rulebook?
B. How often do you guys play a 30k battle?
C. I might be interested in playing Thousand Sons. Would I have to get the older books for troops/elite information?
D. With Burning of Prospero coming out. How many of you guys are going to get it JUST for the game rather than buying it for the models?

Stupid question

When applying a glaze (I'm going to attempt the layered blue/green glaze scheme for some AL), do you thin it? What technique do you use to apply it, are you being aggressive and coating the model like with wash?

that's MkII though

That image is why I bought Auto cannons. Other then terminators all my infantry are MkIII

In other news should my terminators be in a transport? Or could they foot slog away?

FOOTSLOG
EVERYTHING

He's not, you're safe.

How are mechanicum? I love their models and would appreciate a few pointers on them

They make legionaries cry for their Primarchs.

MkIII best armour

>Well, Thiel was a standout leader as well as a supreme swordsman
every ultramarine leader is a supreme leader

>pretty sloppily as well, considering how much has gone over his gorget
That's the issue here. I thought they took his helmet, applied helmet and returned it to him, not "hey, dip your face in this paint bucket"
He has PE(Legiones Astartes). Also, didn't he arm a squad with Guilliman's relics or something?

>A. Is there a BRB for HH? Or can I just use the 40k rulebook?
All the main rules come from the 40k BRB - HH is officially the "Battles in the Age of Darkness" expansion/supplement for Warhammer 40k, and not a separate game system. It does have its own Force Org system (no formations, rigid ally/detachment rules) and its own mission tables (which are honestly a lot better than the 40k missions), but those are all available in the core 30k army list books.

The main book you need for 30k is the redbook for your army - either the Legion Astartes Crusade Army List, the Mechanicum Taghmata Army List, or the Crusade Imperialis Army Lists (Solar Auxilia and Milita/Cults). If you go with Legion Astartes you'll also want to pick up the Age of Darkness Legions book which has all the specific, unique rules for each of the current legions. Exceptions exist - Blood Angels, White Scars and Dark Angels are not in the consolidated legion rules book and can only be found in HH6: Retribution for now (they also have no unique units or characters yet, just legion rules and unique Rites of War); Thousand Sons and Space Wolves have no specific rules yet and can only field generic marine armies until HH7: Inferno comes out.

>C. I might be interested in playing Thousand Sons. Would I have to get the older books for troops/elite information?
There's campaign rules and different mission tables, but that's about it. All you'll really need for Thousand Sons is the main Legion Astartes Crusade Army List book and HH7 (since their rules aren't in the AoD Legions book there's no need to get it).

>D. With Burning of Prospero coming out. How many of you guys are going to get it JUST for the game rather than buying it for the models?
I don't think anyone is doing that. There's a ton of people that have been waiting for plastic MkIII armor to come out and that's the main attraction with BoP. The game is pretty neat, but it's really all about the models.

>Also, didn't he arm a squad with Guilliman's relics or something?
Yeeup, all that he could find. For the battle above Calth, he used an "Electro-magnetic longsword" in one hand, and a mono-edge axe in the other.

He lost the axe but held onto the sword during the underworld war, replaced it with a regular gladius.

Never go Full Auric

To the Iron Hands user:
There's also this in book IV.

NEW EDITION. EVERYONE GRAB YOUR
>Bill-guisarme fauchard glaive voulge bec-de-bardiche
AND HOLD ON TIGHT!

Thanks. They seem to stress that Iron Hands like to customize their armor and hybridize between different marks a lot more than other legions since they've got way more techmarines (and tend to have way more custom cybernetics that need their own armor systems).

Well I guess he can give PE(Infantry) to a squad. Kinda like how Ebin Mor rolls.
Still better than Custodian Halberds

I really don't get what the chainsaw thing on his back is

It's a chain-driven air pump backpack. The SA armor has a lot of steampunk influence and a very retro-future feel as well.

4 > 3 > 2 > 6 > 7 > 1 > 8 > 5

No, it's some tank threads. It's what gives him Move Through Cover.

>have an air pump
>Make it exposed chain driven

o imperium

So has anyone picked up Children of Sicarus, and if so, what happens and is it any good?

What are the fluffiest non jump pack units for blood angels?

Tictac marines?

tactical squad

Rolled 1, 4, 3, 6, 6 = 20 (5d6)

>Are there any rules for Aeonid Thiel for the Ultramarines?

No, lets roll! This shall be his wargear!

Legion Praetor [Artificer Armour, Digital Lasers, Paragon Blade, Paragon Blade, Refractor Field]

I want Cato Sicarius to drive a Sicaran tank on Sicarus alongside Sicarian dragoons.
And then they find assassins wielding daggers, which is what Sicarius means

Rolled 2 (1d6)

Missed one dice roll

Fire raptors, assault cannon terminators, and drop pod tacticals.

Seekers
What are you rolling on?

Baal-style Assault Cannon preds, tactical marines with pistol and chainsword

The Mechanicum are the most baller and dopest pimps on the block. They are the rich kids with all the toys and the money to buy all the cyberware they want to mind control as many expendable machine men they can hold in their pockets.

Towering robots spew marine killing bolts and howling darkfire to sunder tanks. They resist bolter fire and everything fire because my god they are durable. 3+ saves basically everywhere and except for adsecularis (shitty robo-guardsmen) the lowest toughness on any model is 4 and it just goes through the roof from there, with 5/6/7 being commonplace. Feel no pain abounds.

General tips? You got'em.

There are three flavours of the Cult. Tahgmata Omnissiah, Legio Cybernetica, and the Ordo Reductor. Basicly the diverse list of lots of crap, the robot MC fetishists, and the guys who saw the iron warriors mastery of siege craft and called them fucking nerds before doing it way better and much more sciency. Each one has it's own strengths and weaknesses and a couple of unique units the other Mechanicum Lists don't, but they excell at all battlefield roles.

For a stock tahgmata list, you're gonna wanna first decide on what kind of PHD your Archmagos Prime is going to use. From there, see what you can do to support him. For units you have no restrictions on what you can and cannot take. Do you want an army of tanks with IWND filled with giant cyborgs and shitty robo guardsmen? You can do it. Robots and legion flyers? All yours. Craft a list that 'your forgeworld' would deploy. My forge personally does a lot of totally not heretical machine intelligence experiments, fortuantely they're loyal, but man they love the cybernetica.

Speaking of the cybernetica. Don't go overboard with the fucking dope looking castellax robots. Or arlatax. Or whatever robots. Remember that robots cannot score, only deny. So be sure to bring some thallax and adsecularis to hold objectives and stuff.

Reminder that Word Bearers won at Calth

This

Alright, the result is this

Aeonid Thiel
WS:7|BS:5|S:4|T:4|W:3|I:5|A:4|LD:10|Save:2+/5++

Hungry for Victory: Character and his unit roll 2d6'' when consolidating after an assault

Warlord Trait
Coordinated Assault: Warlord and all units within 12'' of him reroll assault to hit of 1.

I'm clenching my asshole after the thought of placing him in a Suzerain squad, and I'm not even traitor.

Continuing with Cybernetica.

You also have to take tax units of robots in your heavy and fast slots before you can start loading them with other crap, so pick robots you like and go nuts. I personally adore arlatax (melee robots) in the FA alot and a Thanatar siege automata in the heavy slot, then I put Krios and whatnot there. Gonna get me some of those sweet sweet Vultrax drones so I can obama people to death remotely. It's gonna be awesome. The Cybernetica also has a unit called an Archmagos Dominus, you can take him instead of a magos prime, but you have to take a dominus of some kind, archmagos or otherwise, in this army list.

As for tanks. Reductor. These are your big guns and vehicle guys. Artillary! Go nuts! Think the IG got sweet artillary? Those niggas ain't seen shit. All your dudes and vehicle, and robots are all immune to difficult and dangerous terrain and suffer no penalties, EVER. Whole map is open ground. You can't take as many robots with this list though but who fucking cares, shoot the crap out of things and squeeze in robots where you can. Also scoring and OBSEC tanks. Take advantage of those. Fast scoring Krios venators? Yes please.

>don't talk to me or my son of Dorn ever again

What are you guys working on tonight. I was trying to wash all the rivets on my knight before the new Flash episode airs. Also really want to get in a game this week.

Ordo Reductor: Artillary Clinton
Legio Cybernetica: Vorax Obama
Thagmata: Myrmidonald Trump

How dare you compare the bringers of blessed ruin to a warp daemon.

What kind of modelling choices do you guys think work for Praevians? I love Vorax enough that I'm thinking of writing some into an AL list under a Praevian. But I really like amping up the specialist-officer vibe of Consuls, so I'm thinking of what I would do.

What kind of tools and implements can I stick on the end of some Doc Oc style Mechadendrites to represent a Cortex-Controller?

See how angry you are? That's how angry I get when people write Mortarian or Peterabo. Then don't fucking write "artillary". The characters aren't even that close.

>total ambush
>have every tactical advantage
>plan to wipe out entire ultramarines legion
>lose
>"haha just as planed"
(you)

I'VE JUST HAD A FLUFF EPIPHANY FOR MY WARSMITH AND GRAND COMPANY!

But first, a question. Would Warsmiths be trained under the Martian Priesthood? If not, could Techmarines become Praetors?

Not a WB, but didn't the Chaos gods themselves forbid Lorgar from killing Guilliman?
IWs have lots of higher education, m8. The ones in command had PhD equivalents.

Finally getting back to my SoH cataphractii I've been putting off. Got some volkite chargers soaking and my BoP arrived so I can start my mkiii support squad soon

Okay so we all know there's a bunch of people who are our guys and who did nothing wrong such as Ahriman and Argel Tal, but who are the people who did absofuckinglutely EVERYTHING wrong? And who was the one who did the most wrong?

Was it Erebus? Lorgar? Magnus? Russ?

Was it the Emperor?

>D
think of it this way. the likelihood of my finding someone who actually wants to play the boardgame is almost 0. Whereas there are at least 10 40k players that go to my local FLGS, and I can proxy my 1k sons as a joe shmo SM army

This is what kills /hhg/. All of the "X did everything/nothing wrong"-
>Erebus
Oh yeah. Totally him. Anyone who says otherwise deserves to be beaten to death.

Emporer was just a bad dad, problem being he was a bad dad to demigods
Erebus, Kor Phaeron, Typhus are 100% worse than hitler
Lorgar, and Horus were huge power hungry cunts
Magnus just wanted to save his legion, just like Mortarion
even though I hate space wolves, Russ didn't do anything wrong other than being a bit of a dick.

Thanks for the tips! I love robots and am glad their good. How are ursarax? I really like their model but just wondering how they fare in games. Is scoria as good as the memes make him out as?

Perfect.

The Lysattra sound like wonderful fellows, by the way.

Fluff-wise, how does having a Warsmith whose loyalties lie with the Martian Priesthood, rather than the Warmaster or the Emperor? One who reveres the Omnissiah and goes with the priestly ways of the Machine Cult of the Mechanicum? I just thought of it, and the idea sounds awesome to me. Mind helping me flesh it out further?

THE MARK IS STILL RUNNING HERETIC

Scoria should be a LoW.

This should tell you how good he is.

Ursarax seem pretty good to me. They have two lightning claws base and a unique Volkite Iron Man chest laser, and their Power Fists strike at S10.

I actually can't see a reason not to take power fists on them, seeing as they're S5 models, and it's 10ppm per pair of fists. Unless you're strapped for points, of course.

Ursarax aren't actually robots. Think of the Skitarii, but taken to the extreme, and always in pain except when they've destroyed their Magi's target.

Sort of like Cyborg World Eater Skeletons.

A way to expand on him being loyal to the Martian Priesthood could be that he was a Techmarine or Forge Lord who got really into the whole 'Ave Omnissiah' stuff into his training, perhaps moreso than usual, then came into power of his Grand Battalion?

I don't really know much about Techmarines/Forge Lords, actually.

My head kind of hurts but let's give it a try.
There are a few orders of the Mechanicum where the glorious and terrible visage of the Omnissiah begins to manifest, such as the Colegia Titanica and the Centuria Ordinatus, but one which we should never take for granted are the flying behemoth-catedrals that are Imperial Warships, the works of the Basilikon Astra.
Much like the red planet (but not as glorious of course), Olympia is surrounded by a manufacturing orbital ring.
And while much of it is Perturabo's own genious combined with reclaimed technology and Mechanicum craft, the Olympian ring is the sum of the works and lives of hundreds of men of the Imperium.

But the Primarch is seldom in Olympia, pursuing the Emperor's Great Crusade, and your Warsmith, the Lord Archmariner, carries Perturabo's authority and command as the Ringmaster regarding all matters of the mighty Fleet of the IVth, and he is as elevated from other men as is the Vox Omnis, delegate of the Fabricator General himself, sent to co-administer the Olympian Ring.

You should read Cybernetica. It features techmarines from all legions, Raven Guard and Iron Warriors especially.

Yes, this. It covers techmarine training during 30k.
Funnily enough, they were even more isolated and distrusted among their 30k legions than they are in their 40k chapters.

Isolated? Why? They are engineers, not witches or anything like it.
I gotta read Cybernetica, then.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Whoa, mate, that's some pretty crazy stuff there! Nice. Unfortunately I'm pretty tired and have a headache as well, and therefore half the stuff you said isn't registering.

Do you have a pdf? I'd be oh so very happy to read it then if anyone did!

I think it's because in 30k they were even more secular than in 40k, where there are even some chapters that openly worship the Emperor, and a chapter that worships the Omnissiah.

I know, but I don't want to reeeeest.
I want to post dank memes, writefag and drawfag
But I'm tireeeeeed
youtube.com/watch?v=8GW6sLrK40k

>Not a WB, but didn't the Chaos gods themselves forbid Lorgar from killing Guilliman?
his options were

>kill guilliman: lose
>don't kill guilliman: lose but have an excuse for losing

Techmarine training in 30k is approximately 50 years. That's a quarter of the entire Great Crusade. During which, the legions were changing so rapidly with each campaign, with new commanders, new companies, new doctrines, new equipment. Not to mention every legion could have hundreds of techmarines, who tended to form their own cabals of organized support. Compared to 40k where individual techmarines are decently integrated into each company's campaigns.

I was thinking about picking up burning of prospero but fuck thousand sons.

Will it be easy enough to just make all the models wolf wolves? Im fairly new to warhammer and have no experience with conversions.

As someone who's not interested in collecting tons of MK III but still wants Goldenboys and Sisters, how awful are the ebay prices for Custodian and SoS models at the moment?

Would it be better to wait?

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First link
Warhammer 40.000 ->Background->Horus Heresy->Novellas

Enjoy.

>Techmarine training in 30k is approximately 50 years. That's a quarter of the entire Great Crusade. During which, the legions were changing so rapidly with each campaign, with new commanders, new companies, new doctrines, new equipment
This is a good point. The Legions changed a lot, especially after the arrival of their Primarchs and the whole Heresy thing
>Not to mention every legion could have hundreds of techmarines, who tended to form their own cabals of organized support
Hmm you're right. A group of 15 people doesn't really behave the same as a group of a few hundreds.

The models have no iconography. You can make them the fucking 11th legion 'Pony Marines of Equestria' if you're that kind of individual.

Sweet man! Should I pick up betrayal as well? Is it a good (for GW) value model wise to just make a space corgi 30k army with those two sets?

All the Mk III guys and Terminators are generic, they don't have any Legion markings IIRC, so you can paint/customize them however you wish and put SW symbols via transfers or sculpted shoulder pads.

The only definitive Thousand Sons model is Ahriman.

Depends on whether you want to mix armour marks or not. Usually a force would stick to one armour mark to ease logistics/repairs/resupplying efforts, but you can do what you want. Wolves do seem to prefer tougher armour like MK III though.

>Not a WB, but didn't the Chaos gods themselves forbid Lorgar from killing Guilliman?
i think so but for all the shit talking and literally saying "im going to kill you guilliman" you'd think he would get it done

of where, user?

I forgot to mention that I had a couple ideas for why he'd more loyalty to the Martian Priesthood, one such being that he could have been a Terran vet from before Pert was reunited with his legion, or perhaps a bitter sort of fellow who thinks along that the only ones who could be trusted were fellow initiates of the machine cult, the blessed machines themselves, and the Omnissiah.

"I have spent more time among the howling engines of destruction rather than my own legion. I have seen titans fell foul xenos constructs, seen engines of war lay waste to my enemies. Why now, should I take a side? My loyalties lie with those whom would welcome me into their sacred forges. Could the same be said of the regulars of the Legiones Astartes? Perhaps many in the IV and X would understand my plight, but even then, a good deal would not. What then of the other legions? To choose between their Emperor, or the plight of the Warmaster? No. I must choose between the Emperor, the Warmaster, and my Omnissiah. But as this civil war of Horus' begins, I know that neutrality cannot be avoided."

How's that?

>tfw mobilefagging
You wouldn't mind helping an user out here, would you, brother?

I've seen someone working on a 'My Little Pony' Lost Legion force. In Resin for that matter (this was before BaC).

The joke was that we knew exactly why the Emperor sicced the Wolves on them.

>my little pony legion

>Disregard this, Guilliman. There's no use in killing you, since you are more useful alive and fearfull, drawing resources to your petty kingdom and bleeding our Father's Imperium of much needed aid.
>Wait, what?
>What's up with Guilliman's face? I wonder if I said that with my inner or my regular voice...

Further proof that MkII is truly the best armor.

>You can make them the fucking 11th legion 'Pony Marines of Equestria'
That's the II Legion not the 11th (XI) Legion, you nitwit.

Fucking Plasticbabies can't even into the basics of fluff.

The guy I knew in our FLGS made them the 11th. Blame him, not me.

Apolakron robowing, Kheledakos shipwrighs, Stor-Bezashk Ordnance masters, there are many instances where Your Dude could commune with the machine and witness the power of technology.
He doesn't need to bow to the Omnissiah as a deity to care about the Mechanicum, seeing technology is what will save mankind from the horrors of the Old Night, predations of xenos and now the hungry maw of chaos (assuming he's loyalist, of course), but you must remember that even with all its logic, schism visited the Mechanicum as well.
He isn't choosing which warlord to follow, he is deciding what to do for the better of mankind.

Hold on, what are the rolls for on these pages? Why six d6?

Well, at least he's self aware.

This horrid fucking thing. If anyone has any tips on doing huge white vehicle panels, let me know. I'm mostly using the Spartan as practice for my Sicaran.

Is that a combi-autocannon?

No. The top part is mostly for handling and targeting.

I use those pages to create a character, you're supposed to make those rolls as you gain rewards in your campaign. The 6d6 are

2d6 to see what attributes get buffed
Then you pick an advances table and roll another d6
Then pick a Warlord trait table from the BRB, roll 3d6 and reroll doubles, then pick a warlord trait from any of the rolls you got.

Now your OC has an ability, a predetermined trait and his statline has one buff over generic units.