>THIS IS IMPORTANT! If you want build advice make sure to say what 3pp you can use, if any. >THIS IS IMPORTANT!
Changing Fate edition! What's the most historically significant thing your character has ever personally done? Are they remembered for it, and if so how? Bonus if the remembrance extends further than "I'm in the history books."
He reintroduced plumbing and sanitation both brevoy and ustalav. In both cases he was forced to use mass slaughter to do it too.
Literally arrowed *thousands* for the flushing cause.
Charles Hughes
Haven't done it yet, but we're getting to wrapping up Curse of the Crimson Throne, and my magus is the one wielding Serithtial.
Tyler Flores
Come to think of it, most of the games I've played in have heavily trended toward the "fade into history" angle, or most of the stuff that happened was clandestine and not public to begin with.
Come to think of it again, the few examples that do stick out as potential great and public deeds, the GM finagled some reason that our antics didn't get us publicity to preserve certain game aspects like people never taking us seriously...
What the hell, GM?
Camden Hill
Drop Dead Studios just put out another playtest, this time for Gear of Power, our Spheres equipment guide. It's still early in development:
One of the biggest downers a DM can give you at the end of a campaign is "congratulations heroes, you did it! Shame nobody else knows."
It's like yeah, I don't want this to just be a power fantasy lesson in mutual masturbation, but I'd like to be a level 13 character getting wined and dined by a Duke, or maybe come across a puppetteer doing a show of one of our adventures, or heck maybe a scrappy little kid fawning over the cool hero/heroine.
There is a time and a place for leading a quiet life, but that's something the PC should expressly want.
Nathan Reed
>be Ancient Thassilonian trapped in stasis for godawful long periods of time >woken up by PCs on accident, communicate with the party's history nerd who knows enough of my speech (supplemented by a shared knowledge of Aklo) to be brought up to speed >explain I was imprisoned for an attempted rebellion, the powers that be thought having to sit for eternity in isolation with the knowledge of my failure was more fitting than death (GM's idea, I just rolled with it) >agree to help them with their quest because APPARENTLY even though the empire crumbled, there's still remnants of the old Lords around and I've got a few millenia worth of anger issues and atrophied magical powers to work on >In the process of what started as a normal Rise of the Runelords campaign, my character learns of the marvels of the new world, studies its histories and sets up shop in one of the ancient ruins we've cleared out >decides to Make Thassilon Great Again and rebuild the empire, but run it HIS way with less sin and debauchery and a whole lot more kickass wizards studying wizard things >other PCs like this plot more than the original story, so while we can't ignore the machinations of the bads we're up against we also start recruiting the shit out of people, getting a caravan company started, et cetera >every player has their own scheme designed to help build our influence, adventuring band becomes owners of a mercenary unit, merchant guild and caravan company that hauls freight and passengers alike >side businesses and partner companies start showing our sign and colors, giving our patrons and employees discounts >by the time the campaign is over campaigners are starting to go out claiming that Thassilon has risen but in the cool, "hey look they saved the world" kind of way >later campaigns replace Varisia and some of the surrounding territory with Thassilon, new cultural shifts, etc
Levi Parker
And to sum up new Thassilon: >a sort of blend between the common ideas behind an empire, a commonwealth and a republic of sorts, a de jure charismatic dictator style Emperor at the moment though the real power is in the form of the Council of Seven >constitutional rule subjects all council members and the emperor to the laws of the common man, and there is the framework of an electoral system in place as the new government determines how best to let the people of Thassilon influence their rulers but still ensure only qualified people who know and agree with the values of the empire's reform make their way to the top >common laws are fairly short and simple, trade laws only affect larger companies while independent, family-owned enterprises are basically free to do whatever they want so long as they pay their taxes and follow common law, cities have the freedom to impose their own laws within their borders so long as they too follow common law and make sure the emperor gets his tax money >multiple reclamation efforts in place to find whatever Thassilonian ruins are still touchable and rebuild them after clearing out any bullshit lurking within; this project is expected to take centuries to complete and is full of opportunity for groups of sellswords looking for work >major crackdowns on the Sczarni are causing some tension with more sympathetic factions, while religious sects worried Thassilon will go back to worshipping evil gods and being big ol bastards again are causing external worries, but currently there's no major war or uprising to deal with
Adrian Johnson
Anyone got the albums of Pact Magic Unbound, Microsized Adventures, and Childhood Adventures around? Haven't found them in the archives yet, and only Unbound seems to be in the trove.
Noah Gutierrez
>What's the most historically significant thing your character has ever personally done?
I think the most historic thing we've done in the campaign thus far had been our efforts in Xen'drik as we commanded a titanic golem to vanquish Lurking Two-Maws. The golem now stands at the edge of Stormreach as its own Colossus of Roads, of which we have out new base of operations established. We debatebly also have right to claim our role in stopping the Ogre-kin uprising in Zilargo since we'd defeated their champion; however, we were but one of many who've contributed to the war effort, not to mention we never really stuck around to claim credit. We had other priorities that needed attention, namely the criminal we were still escorting to his trial.. of whom escaped.
Fortunately, we aren't known for that in the slightest.
Lincoln Ward
>Creation Sphere Handbook playtest >Skymetal Production >Add abysium, adamantine, djezet, horacalcum, inubrix, noqual, and siccatite to the list of materials you can create. >djezet Combine with Forge and other talents, perhaps some Enhancement Talents, and now you can weaponize your metal fetish suit
We Stark now
Anthony Miller
>Changing Fate edition I killed Iomedae and became a god in a campaign that lasted over a year.
It started with a gestalt mythic Giantslayer campaign. I chose to play an Oracle//Sorcerer|Hierophant/Archmage dualpath, because I'm a cunt. That campaign ended when my necromancer slaughtered everything in the hold of belkzen, raised all of them as juju zombies, and used the giant's sick loot to shit all over lastwall. After amassing power and dumping on morons trying to stop me I freed the whispering tyrant and swore allegiance to him. I then betrayed him like five years later and stole all his powers. At this point I hunkered down and started pursuing mythic 10, which took a long time. I was level 20/mythic 8 for a while already and had clerics and antipaladins and shit, but mythic 10 was outside my reach for decades. I needed to "eat" the most powerful lich ever just for 9. While I pursued mythic 10, I had my boys do everything they could to destroy Iomedae's faith - from slaughter to propaganda. As the religion lay in shambles after 40~ years I achieved mythic 10 and spent another 40 years preparing a planar invasion, while keeping her faith down. It's at this point my previous party members finally confronted me (I was the BBEG of their new campaign) but I beat them because I was basically a god already and they were just "immortal" heroes. Raised them, too. When it was finally time for Operation Trumpet, I allied with a bunch of devils and then allied with demons behind their back, and sent both of them to launch suicidal distraction-attacks against anyone that would come to Iomedae's defense. I then "killed" her as best a god can be killed, and now she's trapped forever in as many wards as Rovagug, if not more. Golarion is slowly becoming an undead infested shithole and the gods all want me gone, and they'll probably get me, but that was the last time we'll ever play on Golarion as a setting so it doesn't matter.
I never want to play a caster again, by the way.
Jack Garcia
>I needed to "eat" the most powerful lich ever just for 9. You could've gone to Eox and eaten every lich there. Or hell, why be happy with eating a god? Why not just solidify and devour the entire World Wound?
Asher Brooks
I had a simple goal and I accomplished it. Was enough for me.
Adam Kelly
Am I going crazy or maybe it's just not out yet/in the trove. Swore PF was doing a not!SpellJammer book all about space and aliens and stuff. What was it's name?
Ethan Clark
>I had a simple goal Your wizardy is WEAK
Alexander James
Starfinder's not for another year or so
Charles Gonzalez
>What's the most historically significant thing your character has ever personally done? Be directly responsible for the rise of an imp warlord and his 12th level wizard familiar unleashing an army of the undead and necessitating a crusade to stop.
Dylan Martinez
August of 2017, if I recall correctly.
Bentley Martinez
>Eating gods
ALDRICH PLEASE GO.
Joseph Butler
Huh. I thought I saw the announcement for it early this year. They hype their books nearly 2 years in advance? What the hell, it's an RPG book not a movie. Even for a movie that's insane.
Noah Parker
>mfw the DM gave us Dark Souls-tier titles after we hit a certain level
The DM calling my character "Stormbringer" gave me a special feeling in my pants.
Christian Lopez
Oh wait my character. I thought you meant my party. I don't have anything as interesting for my characters.
Jackson Hall
>Sadly, being the party barbarian, the only storm I'm bringing is an ale storm.
Evan Stewart
>implying you wouldn't have devoured Princess Boipucci if given the chance.
Luke Johnson
Well, presumably some of that time would be taken up by playtesting, but I think they decided it would be a closed beta only for now.
Hunter Perez
They already said there'd be no open testing.
Jack Sanchez
That can only end well.
Robert Harris
Thinking of rolling up a bard for a one shot, any ideas to spice it up?
lvl 3, no 3rd party allowed
Kayden Johnson
I remember the defender drones on there explaining how public playtesting had led to little more than insults and angry shouts against design decisions, and how it was far more helpful to simply keep it internal, where the ideas and criticism flow properly.
>for certain values of 'well'
Oliver Morris
To be fair, even if they had open testing, knowing their history they wouldn't even accept any actual critique or criticism, so not having the playtesting will likely just result in the same thing regardless
Nolan Torres
>be level 1 >bring 29 HP character to the table >laugh
Joshua Wright
Or you could kill things faster and make your hp last longer.
Sebastian Wright
You know, I haven't been in the ttrpg scene very long, maybe 4 years at most, and the things I hear about Paizo, GW, WotC and other companies makes me kinda think that this whole hobby is just garbage. Maybe it would be better for me to just quit while I'm ahead.
Oliver Ramirez
>tfw 18 str as well kill things plenty fast
Hunter Powell
How?
Samuel Torres
The true answer is to either make your own stuff, or just stick to a level that your friends/party is comfortable with.
Afterall, if people can enjoy Dark Souls 2, then there's a chance your group can enjoy Pathfinder
Benjamin Harris
Barbarian, Favored Class, Toughness, Tribal Scars, 18 Constitution, and probably some other things I can't think of.
Juan Gonzalez
Pretty much this.
One man's trash is another man's treasure, and you're standing on a landfill the size of fucking texas.
Cameron Perry
It's not about the companies in charge, who admittedly make some very questionable choices. It's about having fun with your friends.
Thomas Watson
Barbarian, FCB, Tribal Scars, Toughness, Rage
Adam Fisher
Looks like Soapy drama has been removed from the topic, sad.
Alexander Morgan
Mr Soapy Bubbles is the hero we deserve
Logan Moore
I don't entirely see how that helps me if there's the constant getting fucked by rulings, errata and faq, or having autists and wierdos ruin fun concepts/mechanics either at the table or as developers. Honestly, I'm not sure how much I even like the idea of roleplaying. I have a pretty hard time getting into it and most people I've met that like it are some sort of failed writer/actor.
Brandon Ortiz
>texas. Actually, that reminds me.
Which nation/place in Golarion would be perfect as the homeland of a stereotypical Texan/Cowboy
Christian Cook
>if people can enjoy Dark Souls 2, then there's a chance your group can enjoy Pathfinder Does Pathfinder let me stack up endgame gear while staying at the starting level and then proceed to jump random people and tear them new bodily orifices?
Lincoln Nelson
Numeria has guns, outlaws, and radioactive sweet tea.
Ian Cruz
That's Dark Souls 1 Dark Souls 2 is where a starting level player who takes their time and experiment with the system will constantly get invaded or ganked by players that are 100 levels higher than them.
Fuck Soul Memory
Landon Bell
Well, someone apparently copied it all down into an imgur, which I'm certain people will link on the forums whenever the opportunity presents itself for months to come.
Matthew Lewis
Just Soap, actually. What might have been Bubbles said in the last thread he had no relation to that guy.
Someone picked up the torch!
Numeria is the land of techno-barbarians, robutts and creepy AdMech wannabees.
My dm is running a sandbox thing, but the setting has multiple level20 wizards/litches/clerics at or near this town we are in.
I feel like the second I step on anyone's toes I will just be murdered.
Is there a way to talk to him about "if choices don't mean anything then they aren't choices"?
Grayson Collins
>Alkenstar. My GM is running a game there. It's loads of fun. You've got undead and uppity wizards from the neighboring kingdoms, mutants, cannons, and desert wastes.
My gunslinger (using someone's homebrew PoW archetype for the class) has a vendetta against a mythic vampire. It's gonna be awesome when that finally comes to fruition. vampire lord
Zachary Cox
>Is there a way to talk to him about "if choices don't mean anything then they aren't choices"?
Ask him what's the point in adventuring around a town that's so full of almighty characters that literally any of them could solve the problem by taking 5 minutes out of their day.
Josiah Rivera
Isn't the Iconic from Alkenstar straight up a cowboy-esque sheriff with a star and everything?
The place is so Western it's not funny.
Bentley Fisher
it's what it was designed for, yeah.
To give some insight into why golarion was designed as it was, Erik Mona, one of Paizo's devs, explained back in september how the world came to fruition. Basically, they wrote a list of all the things people might make cool campaigns around, a couple examples being pirates, vikings, the infernal empire, westerns, and things like that, and then they gave different devs different regions to work on - Erik Mona, for instance, is really big on Nex and Geb, since those are his babies.
Golarion is kitchen sink because it was designed from the ground up to be nothing but.
Blake Morales
Not going to lie. I detest kitchen sink settings. They feel super uninspired and inconsistent, even if you have a whole campaign in only one area.
Julian Hill
I'd like to preface this post with I am not trying to bitch about the lore or whatever, I don't have a dog in this fight.
>Kingmaker has you rescue a woman to be reunited with her female lover >Wrath of the Righteous has you rescue a man so he may be reunited with his male lover >Reign of Winter has you rescue a woman so she can be reunited with her female lover >Hell's Rebels has you rescue a man to be reunited with his male lover
What I want to know is, are there any examples in the campaigns of the party rescuing a man to be reunited with his female lover, or a woman rescued to be reunited with her male lover? How many heterosexual rescues *are* there in the setting?
Henry Martinez
That's a nice opinion you got there senpai.
Heterosexual couples are capable of taking care of themselves in golarian apparently.
Jonathan Young
And I'm asking this because Paizo seems pretty hot on the whole "subversion, hah!" thing, which is fine and dandy until you realize 100% of your kidnapping situations are homosexual and suddenly the thing you're subverting would BE the subversion.
Levi Jenkins
Kitchen sinks have their place. You can use them for a lot, and conversely worlds that have only one real identifying feature can frankly be a lot worse.
So, basically, just get over it, or write something for yourself.
Dominic Kelly
I know it's an opinion, Kouhai. Anything wrong with having opinions?
Hudson Parker
>good writing >pazio The writers make shit money and produce kinda-ok-but-not-really material. I can't blame them. They make less than middle management at a retail store and those are the MOST SUCCESSFUL writers in the business.
No it's ok senpai. Opinions are only a problem when they are objectively wrong. Like that one is.
Jose Russell
I'm going to say one nice thing about Paizo right now, and it's how I actually quite enjoy the way everything clicks in a pleasant way for Golarion.
Yes yes I know, The Shackles does not make sense in relation to the Land of the Linnorm Kings, but the thing you need to realize is the Shackles should never have nothing to do with the Linnorm Kingdoms, or Ilbydos (or whatever it's called) should not really be put side by side with Cheliax.
Angel Sanchez
I have done something similar in this way:
A population's level density can be expressed thusly: population/2^level
1% of these individuals is a PC class, 9% are a mix of PC and NPC, and 90% are pure NPC.
I put the players in a city with a population of 3.2 million.
Meaning we had the following: 3 level 20s 6 level 19s 12 level 18s 24 level 17s
And so on. For each I rolled what they were, and get the following: >2 level 20 Warriors >1 level 20 Adept >1 Level 19 Mixed Expert/Bard >1 Level 19 Mixed Aristocrat/Sorcerer >1 Level 19 Expert >2 Level 19 Adepts >1 Level 19 Warrior >1 Level 18 Mixed Rogue/Expert >1 Level 18 Mixed Warrior/Fighter >4 Level 18 Warriors >4 Level 18 Experts >1 Level 18 Adept >1 Level 18 Commoner >1 Level 17 Pure Inquisitor >9 Level 17 Experts >7 Level 17 Adepts >4 Level 17 Warriors >3 Level 17 Aristocrafts
So in the city level 9 casting was literally unavailable as there was no one with the skills to do it.
I use this formula for most populations and run it through a python script that does the relative chances. It means the VAST majority of the time small populations are mostly level 1, with an occasional high level outlier because of luck of the draw. It rolls for their classes as well.
Brody Hughes
>What I want to know is, are there any examples in the campaigns of the party rescuing a man to be reunited with his female lover, or a woman rescued to be reunited with her male lover? How many heterosexual rescues *are* there in the setting?
The only one that comes to mind is Sylgja in Reign of Winter, the Huldra that begs you to rescue her husband from the slaver mold - only issue is 90% of people will probably kill her husband in the process since the Slaver Mold's a BITCH to take down without hurting his fleshy NPC figure.
Hmm, besides that the only other one that comes to mind is the nymph in Rise of the Runelords, but that wasn't reuniting and more "my lover's soul is tortured over yonder, free it please?"
Logan Johnson
That's about it. Picking and choosing the parts of the setting you want to use is a good idea overall.
Jaxson Gonzalez
The ratio of PC/NPC classes seems silly at such high levels. How does a commoner get to level 18 without picking up a real class(even expert) at some point?
Henry Jones
It's just Paizo's friendly reminder that being gay is totes okay in Golarion, repeated across multiple adventures just in case you missed it the first couple times. Presumably, if any men or women leap to the rescue of their opposite gender waifus/husbandos, it'll be the PCs.
Elijah Gray
>Presumably, if any men or women leap to the rescue of their opposite gender waifus/husbandos, it'll be the PCs.
It's been said before, but this is also arguably why so many Inner Sea Kingdoms have female rulers *or* female heirs, so the (usually) male PCs have a shot at becoming a Consort.
Heck, Telandia Edasseril's profile in Elves of Golarion spells out her "type."
Julian Miller
Pazio knows exactly who their market is.
Jonathan Price
Paizo sure is shilling Golarion today.
William Cooper
Oh shush! We're saying good things about a bad setting because being positive is a good feeling!
Daniel Reed
At high levels the formula highly favors non-commoner PC classes, but leaves commoner as a possibility.
Hudson Lewis
By being the most singularly okay peasant to ever live.
Oliver Gomez
Being paid is a good feeling.
Grayson Sanchez
Yea bud.
Your persecution complex needs more fuel after all.
Adrian Mitchell
>Presumably, if any men or women leap to the rescue of their opposite gender waifus/husbandos, it'll be the PCs.
*Cough* *Cough* Ameiko constantly getting in trouble during Jade Regent *cough* *cough*
Ayden Lee
That peasant can grow the BEST cabbages you've EVER seen!
>Amazing Tool of Manufacture for Craft (Fields)
Xavier Green
>Heck, Telandia Edasseril's profile in Elves of Golarion spells out her "type."
What is Telandia Edasseril's type?
Matthew King
I remember that podcast. Didn't he also mention a ton of shit about Starfinder?
It's the game I'm more excited for at the moment anyways.
Carson Ross
>pazio pays thier writers shit, average of 31.5K a year >glassdoor.com/Salary/Paizo-Salaries-E809515.htm >People are totally being paid to do subversive advertising to a thread with 25 people in it >if every person here bought 500 dollars of books it wouldn't' pay minimum wage for one person for a year. what world do you live in?
Julian Richardson
A foreign-born Elf with significant popularity among the masses and some decent social skills.
Killing Treerazer would certainly help.
Hunter Scott
Oh damn dude, sure fucking showed me with that stunning "argument" on my ((complex)). I got
B T F O T F O
Noah Hill
>I use this formula for most populations and run it through a python script that does the relative chances.
Mind sharing that code?
Mason Bell
>It's the game I'm more excited for at the moment anyways.
>mfw Lizardfolk in Power armor >mfw I can be Metal Knight >mfw Kineticists that don't suck
I can't wait!
Brayden Bennett
While the idea that they're not going to be taking any outside criticism is pretty scary, I admit I'm excited for it all the same.
Wyatt Ross
Any more PF forum shit flinging? This one was ok but I know there are some real gems from over the years.
My favorite are always when devs/mods are fucking idiots.
Eli Cox
Yes.
Henry Robinson
There's a fairly hefty amount of it, honestly. It's Paizo afterall.
Noah Williams
>implying that if you could kill a demon lord you couldn't just conquer the entire country >implying you wouldn't just take what you want Pls
Tyler Diaz
you expect me to read all that shit? tldr pls?
Elijah Williams
Alexander augunus dindu nuffin, pedophilia and rape are okay, marketing that to be used with children is okay, anyone questioning Paizo is an evil sockpuppeting troll.
Zachary Watson
Oh hell yeah, man.
Actually, if anybody's curious, there's five big tidbits we got about Starfinder from that podcast. >There's a general conceit that the players will have a Starship, so the party as a whole gets one straight up. Because of this, each new book is going to have starship chassis or components included in them. >Warp travel is done by going between the planes and pulling energy in from them. this is actually pretty dangerous, as pulling in said energy might pull in something more solid, basically making warp travel in Starfinder like warp travel in 40k, just with an equal chance of really pissed off angels as there are of daemons. >The power conceit is meant to shift away from magic being all-powerful to technology being the big thing, with magic being a supplementary to that. Because of this, a well equipped soldier should be able to consistently solo a higher level barbarian, for instance. Thankfully, this likely means a complete overhaul of the guns and armor rules. >Bestiaries for Starfinder are going to have less creatures in them overall, but in exchange will have more space devoted to each creature and, if it's Sapient, how to play it. >It is NOT the same system. It'll have the same basis - that of the D20 ruleset, for instance - but things will have been changed. Skills will be different, different feats, different classes, and all that. there'll be noies on how to convert things between the two games, but they won't be DIRECTLY compatible with each other.
Aiden Ramirez
"Rape is fine in children marketed products; if you don't like it, don't use it." t. Furry Paizodrones
Joseph Davis
Killing a demon is a little different than conquering a kingdom on your own. Kyonin isn't in the River Kingdoms, you need the Right to Rule.
Matthew Lewis
They did have a point it's not marketed towards children. It's marketed towards playing as children characters. Still gross, just less so.
Adam Mitchell
So wait, is this a PF addition or a whole new game? I'm fine with either really, d20 systems slot in and out of each other fairly easy in any case.
Thomas Gonzalez
>The power conceit is meant to shift away from magic being all-powerful to technology being the big thing, with magic being a supplementary to that. Because of this, a well equipped soldier should be able to consistently solo a higher level barbarian, for instance. Thankfully, this likely means a complete overhaul of the guns and armor rules. >Warp travel is done by going between the planes and pulling energy in from them. this is actually pretty dangerous, as pulling in said energy might pull in something more solid, basically making warp travel in Starfinder like warp travel in 40k, just with an equal chance of really pissed off angels as there are of daemons
Are you telling me I could play a Navigator.
Gavin Nguyen
>able kill a CR 25 demon lord >anyone in Kyonin can stop you from doing anything you want Choose one and only one.
