The other day a friend of mine and I were joking around about wat do with our elf slave girls...

Don't be facetious. We all know that no one is actually making this character, it's all just a lie fabricated to push a fetish.

>secret
Why keep it secret though? I assumed that slavery is just a fact of life in most settings. It's preindustrial after all, and someone's got to work the fields and mines. Why bother paying the workers if you don't have too?

The point about him having to leave to conduct business though...that's a good point. I might be able to dance around this problem by saying that breaking into the slave trade is a long-term goal and he's currently adventuring to get money so he can get his first batch of slaves. But then that would remove the appeal of the character, which is the part where he has a business to run and thus a life/interests outside of being a murderhobo.

Hmm. Perhaps this wasn't a great idea after all.

I actually, genuinely was just curious about a character concept. There were no plans for lewd.

How do you board-nazis not see the relevance or value in discussing creating a Pimp-Master General character?

And pimps are only really fetish material if you push that angle. I've seen far more mileage out of pimps as comedy characters.

Did you even read the OP or did you just start your shitposting immediately from the image? It's completely Veeky Forums related, he's asking about alignment and suggestions for an evil character. There are no indications of it being fetish shit. He wants to make a slave baron and he's new so he's wondering about it.

Liar.

The board police don't see the relevance or value in anything.
All they see is the next thing "ruining *my* board". And then when they whine enough to remove it, the next thing. And then the next thing.

> I assumed that slavery is just a fact of life in most settings.

This is a poor assumption. Slavery isn't a big thing at all in most settings, except for the purview of evil races. The typical medieval period most fantasy settings draw from doesn't have slavery as a major facet either, since serfs and peasants worked the land.

It's only later on when sailing, colonialism and trade begins where african slaves become an easy option, and before that you only had rome where slaves were those taken by war. Either way, both fall somewhat far out of the time period.

That's part of why I brought up dark sun, as that's a much earlier sort of bronze age setting where life is harsh and slavery can be expected.

In the typical D&D setting? No, slavery probably isn't allowed, and if it is, it'd likely be restricted to monstrous races captured in wars.

That aside, it's as you say. It's either going to eat up a bunch of his time taking care of a gaggle of followers, or it's going to be a long-term goal in which case there's no real point.

And of course, the former is going to be a mess, because having followers that you can't just leave unattended or trust is obnoxious. You can't leave your slaves outside with the horses and gear, since it'd be far to easy for them to flee while you're in a dungeon for hours.

It's just the sort of thing that's very out of place in a fantasy story except as a villain, and playing a villain in a typical party doesn't really work out.

If you really, really wanted to do this, the solution would be to make a setting where Slavery was more acceptable, and likely do a more evil campaign where everyone is doing more roguish and illicit activities as part of a grand crime organization. Your slave trading can be done in the same downtime as the ranger peddling drugs or whatever.

>It's only later on when sailing, colonialism and trade begins where african slaves become an easy option, and before that you only had rome where slaves were those taken by war. Either way, both fall somewhat far out of the time period.
And in the middle east and Africa, where slavery persisted right up until somewhere between the 1950s and [current year and for the foreseeable future] depending on exactly where you look and how stringent the local authorities are. All whitey did was jump in on an already thriving slave trade.

And by persisted, I mean from antiquity. Babylon had slavery and there was no time period between then and now where slavery didn't exist East or South of the Mediterranean.

Yes, but most fantasy settings tend to be in not!Europe, so it's still not something you see in most settings.

I'm not gonna try and debate over the real-life history or implications of slavery. Just the matter that it isn't something you commonly see in most settings as a normal thing, rather than something evil that Orcs and Drow do.

>serfs ... worked the land.
So, slavery.

Not the kind that's applicable to a slave-trader character

I can't even remember the last time I saw actual serfs in a fantasy setting. Usually it's just peasant farmers that seem to still own the land they farm, and still have to manage their own finances.

>a more evil campaign where everyone is doing more roguish and illicit activities as part of a grand crime organization.
Hmm...note to self. Create a campaign in which the players run the fantasy world mafia. I can see it now. The Rouge will pimp, the Alchemist will make drugs, the Wizard will do...wizard shit. The only problem left if figuring out how to get the entire party pinstriped suits.

That picture seems like a bizarre combination of clothing and lack-of-clothing.

>I want to play as a toon who owns SLAVES XDDD
>lol so edgy amirite? XDDDD
>le slaves le slaves le slaves hahahaha phuck u sjwcucks XDDDDD
>(did u see me meme with elf slave wat do? XDDDDDD )

Yes, truly a fascinating character concept. I can already imagine the richness and depth that this one-note premise will bring to your campaign. Who needs a PC with actual personality when you can do so much more with a simple motivation like "I want moar X"? After all, we're always left breathless by the likes of "I want more money" and "I want more magic learnin'" as character concepts.

I'm also heartened to see you thinking about this entirely in terms of alignment. People who think DnD alignment is a cheap way for autists to cram all the complexity of human nature into a vastly oversimplified pair of spectra are clearly just butthurt and pretentious. Any character who can't be defined entirely by their alignment is excessive self-indulgence.

In conclusion, the elegant minimalism of "I am a rogue. I am lawful. I am evil. I want to own more slaves" is a pinnacle of backstory perfection to which all of Veeky Forums should aspire. I salute you, OP. Bravo and banzai.

If you're looking for an edgy character, make him Lawful Evil
If you're looking for a disney-vilain tier character, make him Neutral Evil
If you're looking for a comedic character, make him Chaotic Neutral
If you're looking for a memorable character, make her female

It's a bare bones concept you could apply as much character onto as you wanted.

Your inability to characterize something out of lack of creativity or an inflated ego is your own fault.

peasantry tied to land, no choice in leaving. Only way to eat and live is through farming. So yeah pretty much.

It might not have been called slavery but forced servitude is a pretty common enough thing to have in a setting. maybe not open slave markets, but yeah.

The modern concept of slavery was coin and model by the African to American cotton plantations.
But was by no means the only version of slavery
Rome had slavery, and I know what you're thinking. Not all of them were gladiatorial, some were but most weren't. A lot of Roman/Greek Slavery was more hired hand / skilled teacher than dirt farmer. Not to mention the Greek Roman slave had to be treated well(well enough) and could buy his freedom and become a civilian of the empire as time passed.

As for OP. talk to you GM, shrugs. As long as he can get a story out of it, I don't he'll mind too much.

>toon
Stopped reading there

>It's a bare bones concept you could apply as much character onto as you wanted.
We all know that OP was never going to do that.

I brought up Rome, and again, no open slave markets just brings us back to it needing to be secret because it's not common in settings.

But I digress. The advice for OP to talk to his group about fitting it into the world is pretty much the best answer.

Just because you cannot wrap your brain around people being able to develop a concept doesn't mean they can't. Even if a character's origin is uninspired, there are loads of things that can be done with it. Hell, in the OP post alone, you can see it. Yes it could have stayed a character whose prime goal was to own an elf slave, but that's not what happened. Your pessimism about OP's intentions and attitude is unwarranted.

>Just because you cannot wrap your brain around people being able to develop a concept
Oh quite the contrary, I comprehend that it can be done. I just know from experience that it isn't done.

How about you read my entire post before you reply.
>I just know from experience that it isn't done.
It WAS done. In the OP post. Just because your playgroups are awful doesn't mean every playgroup is.

If you have nothing to contribute to the thread why are you even posting? Any character concept can be boiled down to "XDDDD so original".

So can we model slaves as resources, trade items, or luxury goods, with a mind of their own? And should they need to be smuggled? and how frowned upon is it? Like under the table levels, or like the law is actively coming after gangs?

I mean human trafficking is a thing even if it's considered super immoral and really cutting the line of legality into ribbons. I mean a little research and digging can make for good story fodder.

I would imagine it depends on your own race, the race of the slaves, and the place you're in. Most places you'll at least need to be subtle about it. If they're from a race that people dislike, then they're more likely to turn a blind eye as well. In those places though, it's more likely to get you turned away at the gate rather than arrested, though as a criminal you'll have other ways of entering a town secretly. If it's a town that isn't nearby any other nations that practice slavery, or the slave is of a less hated race, I would expect them to treat it more like a potential kidnapping case.

Slavery is hard to handwave like other sorts or merchantile trades the PCs might pursue. If a player is a blacksmith, it's easy to have them allocate time to forging weapons, calculate the weight and price of what they made, and have them haul it around in a wagon for later sale.

Slaves are hard because they need to eat, can do things, aren't going to be carbon copies of eachother, and may try to escape. There's no set price or weight, so you're essentially turning everywhere you go into escorting a prisoner, except secretly because it's still unlikely to be allowed. It's the sort of thing that demands a lot of attention and detail, because there are always going to be NPCs present trying to make it go wrong.

Aside from that is the possibility of getting the attention of Paladins or other officials.

It's a lot of factors that is much better suited for the focus of a campaign where everyone is on board, rather than trying to cram all of this conflict into a single character.

>It WAS done. In the OP post.
No, it wasn't. All OP wants to know is which 2 letters to put on his character sheet next to 'alignment'. Get over yourself.

>No, it wasn't.
Yes, from OP:
>joking around about wat do with our elf slave girls. My answer was to acquire more elf slave girls, start a brothel and get rich. This turned into a discussion about weather slavery and slavers were Lawful Evil or Chaotic Evil. Partway through this conversation, a thought hit me.
>A slave trader with grand aspirations of running the market one day could be a fun character.

>All OP wants to know is which 2 letters to put on his character sheet next to 'alignment'
No, from OP:
>So TG, do you think this is a good idea? How would you even make this character? I'm thinking lawful evil rouge focusing on social skills over combat, but I'm still new.

You just saw a picture of an elf slave and had a kneejerk reaction. Your pessimism and superiority complex are not impressing anybody, and you have contributed dick-all to the thread.

Now I'm imagining a little black book with notes of clientele.
Realms
What goes, who you're contacts are.
requested traits, Like good at accounting

omg thats the quest. Knowledge. There are rumors that the late Slaver King kept a special secrete scroll of every client and contact he ever had. But when the paladins of freedom and light destroyed him and his hold out no such book came to light. Lost to tracks of time? or to the church's Holy light?

Is it a form of black mail? or just the right tools to set up another slaver empire? No one really knows, and its been years surely it is forgotten? but now strange branding tools and magical silence collars are slipping out of [campian setting] that belong to the late Slaver King. could he have a second base? Investigation are a foot!

Make the Slaver King a vamp peddling to his undead peers and you can really hammer home the setting as a dark reflection of the brighter side of fantasy walking behind the scene.

Fucking white knight shits, if he had asked "how do I robber baron?" you'd be giving him autistically detailed advice on how to better exploit the bureaucracy and workforce of the kingdom.

That girl you're pining over is never gonna sleep with you, no matter how many good boy points you make on the fucking internet.

>not!Europe
Vikings had slaves. Even then slavery often didn't exist or wasn't common in Europe not because it was unethical but because serfdom was more useful than the ruling elites. Even in a high middle ages setting the common thought to seeing a slave market shouldn't be "oh god this is so evil and wrong" and be more along the lines of "this is pretty neat."

>I want to play as a toon who owns SLAVES XDDD
>lol so edgy amirite? XDDDD
>le slaves le slaves le slaves hahahaha phuck u sjwcucks XDDDDD
>(did u see me meme with elf slave wat do? XDDDDDD )
I mean slave dealer would be kind of dumb in an actual good campaign, but in an evil campaign it is fine. Using your logic
>I want to play as a knight who uses light and swords
>lol perfect and noble amirite? XDDDDD
>le smiting evil le saving maidens le full plate armor ahahaha phuck u muslims deus vults XDDDDDD
>(Did u see me meme with Deus Vult? XDDDDDDDDD)
Clearly nobody should be a paladin

Ypou can decouple fashion and the like from general tech level and time period.
Some people are going to bitch about because they can't perform the mental maneuvers necessary to decouple, and those people are hyper-autistic retards who cannot break anything down into its component pieces.

Elves as slaves never made sense to me. They're too aristocratic to be slaves. They're more likely the slavers, or would die before being dishonored. At most they would be oathbound servants, never slaves.

It's just an old, dumb meme. I only mentioned it at all for context's sake. Besides, what else are elves good for anyway?

Don't you like it when things get subverted? Isn't this the most original thing and the high of worldbuilding?
>Besides, what else are elves good for anyway?
These days serve as a strawman to make everyone else look good.

This.

If you want to make a slaver character, wizard seems to me to be the way to go. Then just find random bandits no one would miss and capture them alive. Charm person, comprehend languages, sleep, blindness, hold person, ray of enfeeblement, maybe suggestion, maybe fear, maybe confusion, Evard's black tentacles, Mordenkainen's Private Sanctum, Bigby's hand, dominate person, modify memory, mass suggestion, forcecage, antimagic field, power word stun, and weird. To hold onto your new slaves, use guards and wards, hallucinatory terrain, glyph of warding, darkness, grease, and fog cloud.

If you have some kind of martial class with a trident and net combo working with you, starting a slave empire would be pretty easy. No one would miss bandits and you would have practically no startup costs, aside from a place to keep the slaves. And with Mordenkainen's Private Sanctum, casting it for a year on the same spot makes it permanent, so you might be able to just make use of that as a holding cell of sorts.

Yeah but serfs can't easily be bought and sold. So from the serf's POV yes, but there's no room for a slave trader.

Plus the guy you're responding to is right in one sense: slavery is nearly always a Hideous Moral Outrage in a typical D&D setting. You could argue that it's not realistic until you're blue in the face but that goes for nearly every aspect of a D&D setting. For now, that's how the settings usually work.

In a setting where chattel slavery is common, then yeah, but you're assuming that much you might as well assume how it works.

Except when they whine about the board being nearly dead.

>Elf Slave Wat to
>Not part of Veeky Forums

I want the SJWs to leave Veeky Forums forever.

Yeah, elves is what makes it tg related, not the character building or motive defining, just the elf part.

>Yeah but serfs can't easily be bought and sold.
It's as easy as buying or selling the land they work.

>elf girl wat do is now magical realm alongside diapers, fucksnakes, and feces
Fuck I've been away from Veeky Forums for a long time.

It's been a bannable offence for literally years son to post "elf slave wat do?".

Hell, mods have deleted and banned people for having legitimate threads about elven medicinal alchemy just because the phrase "elf salve what do?" was in the OP.

>all these permavirgins are so thirsty they'll defend a blatant 'elf slave wat do' thread
Another day, another step further away from the light of the divine.

Chaotic evil is great on might makes right and frrdom for themselves fuck everyone else. They don't give a shit about anyone else but them being free.

A CE slavetrader could probably even be a freed slave.

It's a been a part of Veeky Forums, sure. As a shitpost that gets you banned

Which has been fucking retarded for years.

>Nipples are a bannable offense even on completely non-cheesecake art
>''Elf Slave wat do'' are an bannable offense

>Thinly veiled Furrythreads arent
>Thinly veiled Stepen Shitverse arent
>''Girl at table wat do''arent

I have been here since 07 and Veeky Forums mod and his janitors are fucking SJW troglodytes.

You have Redditors here who literally call everything MAGICAL REALM that they don't like.

I recently had some anus on Veeky Forums tell me that anything edgy that makes him even remotely uncomfortable is on the same level as the enchanted fucking piss forest.

With elf slaves I'd do the same what WhiteKitten commissions artists to draw. Shame on you if you understood what I said.

>>Thinly veiled Stepen Shitverse arent
Those get banned 9 times outta 10

Veeky Forums has become an echo chamber. If people don't like a thread, they don't ignore it. They challenge its legitimacy and relevance to Veeky Forums, and apply their standard go-to responses. It's really tired at this point, where people's criticism isn't even thought out, just copypasted. This is the same kind of shitty attitude that I left /co/ for, and I'd really hate for it to continue.

The fetishists are no better sith their faggy grandfather clauses of MUH THULSA DOOM or MUH COMMANDER KEEN to justify shitty offtopic fetish threads.

>Everything I dont like is Fetishshit

SJWs need to die. You are a cancerous and destroy everything your fatty sausage fingers touch.

is blaming everyone on SJWs your fetish?

>it's all just a lie fabricated to push a fetish.
You see bogey men behind every shadow don't you?

Some times a question is just a question, that you seem to think it is more speaks more about you than the OP.

Like I said, echo chamber. I've seen this exact same derailment so many times it's ridiculous. I'm beginning to think it's a series of markov chain chat bots. Fucking use your vocabulary.
People having an interest in things doesn't mean they fetishize it.
People chastising people for liking things doesn't make them a SJW.

Newfags please leave

>t. only started posting a month ago

Please leave, friendly newfag

>t. has been called out on his shit and is attempting damage control
I've been here since 2010, and I've been sick of 'elf slave wat do' for almost as long.

Its because the whiners got put into power with the japmoot.

Now we cant have anything other than generals, because the whiners shit on anything else.

>2010
So you admit to being a newfag, mr rubber-glue

>6 years is a newfag
>t. newfag trying to a meme that should've been stillborn

>Antiquest shitposters want to kill the whole board
Damnit, stop proving questfags right

Yeah, that is pretty damn new. Younger even than quests.

You remember incorrectly, quests didn't come along until after Nazimod.

No, quests were here before nazimod.
In fact, nazimod's influence on quests prompted the creation of tgchan

>There are people new enough right now to believe this shit
Holy fuck

Nice, you're still mad about Quests getting moved?

Well, you got lots of replies from morons so good job.

I'm just glad you got tired of having your crying threads deleted.

>Antiquestfags trying to pin their shitposts on questfags
M-muh falseflag

Thank goodness questfags werent as autistic as antiquestfags, though. Otherwise we would have had a decade of whining. Again.

How is a "tradition" of posting softcore bdsm porn with pointy ears NOT fetish shit?

>Calling the founding genres of all tabletop shit

No, I'm afraid tabletop RPGs were not founded on ELF SLAVE WAT DO XDDD

They were founded on cheesecake, however.
Shame on you for forgetting your sword&sorcery rots, and doubleshame on you for crying wolf over nothing.

I'm pretty sure they were founded on a fondness for the fantasy novels the creators grew up on and the aesthetics of the era and NOT to be a collective masturbation session, but cute historical revision attempt all the same, smutfag

>Complaining about historical revisionism while trying to claim this is elf slave wat do

Ignorant of history, crying wolf, and a hypocrite. Triple shame.

I jumped into three threads at random, and all of them had a first post shitposter claiming the thread was awful.

I think we might be getting invaded, so it is best to ignore shits who claim things are awful for now.

How is it NOT elf slave wat do? Allow me to quote OP:
>The other day a friend of mine and I were joking around about wat do with our elf slave girls.
>wat do
>elf slave
It's LITERALLY elf slave wat do

>while trying to claim this is elf slave wat do
Well, OP mentioned elf slaves. He could have avoided it by just saying 'slaves' if it really happened in his campaign and he probably already knows why this is a bait for shitposting, but nah, out of all races it had to be elves. Not the average humans, not the sturdy dwarfs, not evil races that no one would complain about. Nope, elves, again.

>if you disagree with me you're an insurrectionist troll!
And you complain about your oppositional opinion being an echo chamber

You seem to not remember elf slave wat do threads, as they did not include paragraphs of explanationand context.

I think
Might be onto something, weve got a lot of you shitposters recently.

>Boo hoo, stopnoticing i am shitposting in literally every thread

Very suspicious. I wonder where all these new trolls came from?

Probably antiquestfags. They ran out of things to complain about, and are now jumping at anything they can find.

>everyone I disagree with is the same person!
Nigga, I have a job. I don't have time to shitpost that much. I only made it in this thread starting about 2/3rds in and that's mostly because work was a joke today.

Nice strawman tho

>Trolls
For a shitposter complaining about strawmen, you sure are quick to make one.

>vampire with mindbroken slave harem
Is that a Jojo reference?