How would you characterize Devotion Paladins vs Vengeance Paladins? What's the fundamental difference that separates them?
Personally, I would say that Devotion Paladins are defined by who they are, why Vengeance Paladins are defined by what they do. What I mean is that for a Devotion Paladin, what really matters to them is acting in the honorable and righteous way, even if that means they can't save everyone. Vengeance Paladins, on the other hand, don't feel that honor should be afforded to criminals, and care about the end results, rather than the means. This doesn't mean they would ever hurt an innocent person, however, nor does it mean they don't have their own code.
Lincoln Thompson
>How would you characterize Devotion Paladins vs Vengeance Paladins? What's the fundamental difference that separates them?
James Carter
Superman v Batman
Aaron Russell
Batman's not really a good example, he never kills even when it would save countless lives (how many times has the Joker escaped Batman?). He's as goody two shoes as they come, wearing a bat costume doesn't make you a vengeance paladin.
Leo Torres
Superman and Punisher?
Eli Hill
more like Cap America and Punisher
Camden Taylor
In practice, the players who play vengeance paladins usually do so because they're afraid of being restricted by a code of conduct and they're under the impression that vengeance paladins can just do whatever they want, whenever they want. Devotion paladins are only played by the hardcore experienced roleplayers who understand that playing a fundamentally decent person isn't that scary at all.
Henry Brooks
But Batman acts based on feelings rather than ethics. If he were interested in making Gotham a better place and actually reducing crime, he could do that as Bruce Wayne by fighting poverty. But no, he wants to personally punch criminals because they make him feel bad. It doesn't matter that Batman is provably counterproductive and creates all his own villains. What matters to Batman is how Batman feels.
Gavin Perez
Ehh someone with logic, I'm scared.
Nathaniel Morales
> If he were interested in making Gotham a better place and actually reducing crime, he could do that as Bruce Wayne by fighting poverty. But no, he wants to personally punch criminals because they make him feel bad.
Isaiah Ward
who left a child with that person
Aiden Turner
>because they're afraid of being restricted by a code of conduct
alternatively, they've been burned by shit DMs who get their lols by making the paladin fall at every opportunity because they did(not) kill orc babies or did(not) oppose the king
Carson Bailey
Not the user you're replying to but regardless it is true. Batman is the Tony Stark of DC and he could leverage his vast wealth into many programs and organizations to do good and influence the government in positive ways (actually the movie does have him utitlize many organizations he's made so props for that).
But deep down when you get past all the hype and wanking about batman being a paragon of virtue and being CREEEDDDD! He's as much of a psychopath as any of the other freaks from Gothem and is simply empowered by his own sense of self rightetousness.
I mean honestly, what better warden to keep the other freaks in line then another freak?
Jacob Perez
New Testament vs Old Testament
Leo Collins
Thats a suprisingly good comparison
Grayson Rodriguez
Bruce Wayne does fight poverty though. The bat thing is a side gig.
Jose Allen
To be honest, this is why I think Batman goes so well with film noir themes. It doesn't make sense for him to beat up random criminals when he could be tackling crime on a larger scale, but it does make sense for him to do it in order to uncover information on whatever new supervillain/conspiracy/mob boss is threatening Gotham and use hs detective skills to stop them.
Aaron Jackson
Vengeance Paladins aren't Paladins
Thomas Nelson
>Not launching into session long debates with the GM about the intrinsic meaning of the words "good" and "justice" and the competing concepts therein.
Brayden Myers
>Not launching into session long debates with the GM about the intrinsic meaning of the words "good" and "justice" and the competing concepts therein. Only pseudo-intellectuals are interested in doing this.
Aaron Roberts
>Only pseudointellectuals believe in/study ethics
I actually agree with you.
Brandon Bailey
You see this post, Veeky Forums? You see this fucking post right here? This is where the thread should have ended. The fucking PHB defines what a difference between a devotion paladin and a vengeance paladin is. There was no need for further discussion on the topic.