Pathfinder General /pfg/

posting from last thread.
Please rate my homebrew.
Its called the Avatar.
A Divine Elemental Barbarian/Druid sort of hybrid class.

docs.google.com/document/d/10dEgLazR1i9O9Cs0z-6Znw96ocJPu3CVGuEOkCEfqLw/edit?usp=sharing

His main draw is his Avatar Form, which turns him into an elemental being, and his Wraths, which grants him abilities similar to rage powers while in his Avatar Form.

He's got a bit of an at-will blast power and a gimmick for having very few, very powerful evocation spells in his repertoire.

Please tell me what you think. I need feedback and suggestions.

I build cityfus then just add them together to make a nation.

Sometimes I go top down, think of a really cool empire, then how I want its policies or economics to work then build an upper, middle and lower class for it.

Frankly, the best setting I've written I wrote from the opposite direction, starting with a really dumb high concept and building downwards, filling in things as needed or as the players reached them.

Why are people making characters already for WotJR? Isn't supposed to recruit in January?

They wish to be ready. A noble goal.

boredom and lack of other games?

Oh hush, some of the characters sound pretty fun.

>A guy doesn't get levels in something else just because he picked up a fucking sword.
user... that is literally how things *can* work. You can gain mythic ranks by touching an artifact, you can absolutely level up (even if it's only temporary) by 'picking up a sword' (or in this case 'stealing' the armor of ironman and choosing to use it yourself).

Funny you should mention that, but wasn't it a thing in Eberron where the Loli Pope was a level 18 Cleric (in a setting where level *10* was a BIG DEAL) as long as she was in the Not!Vatican?

> You can gain mythic ranks by touching an artifact, you can absolutely level up (even if it's only temporary) by 'picking up a sword
Mythic Ranks aren't levels.

Then why doesn't everyone gain levels in Fighter by picking up a sword.

Just fucking admit, Aegis is bad at being Iron Man.

Like fucking what?

>Just fucking admit, Aegis is bad at being Iron Man.
I am not the person you were arguing this with.

>why doesn't everyone gain levels in Fighter by picking up a sword.

Actually, that can be exactly how someone becomes a level 1 fighter. They picked up a sword and started fighting.

But even so, the situation you are talking about is very different from stealing a 'magical suit of armor' and choosing to start using it.

It is entirely within reason that you could say, pick up an artifact sword and not only would you get a mythic rank from it, you could "claim" it and gain a couple of levels as a fighter. You don't get experience just from the fucking "end of battle screen" you get XP from *doing* things. RP'd well? get experience. Made your first 1000 gold by selling shit from craft? get experience. Found and claimed an artifact sword and got some divine inspiration on how to fight better? get experience.

I'm not that familiar with eberron.

So to utilize my insane intimidate dc

I think i need Cornugon smash, furious focus, hurtful, and then Dreadful Carnage? Because Dazzling Display builds are pretty bad and i only have so many feats.

To be fair, i made this character Long before i even heard of RotJR. It only took a few tweaks to fit it to the setting.

No, picking up a sword and using it gets you to 'guy who is holding a sword and using it'

It was indeed, she was a 17th-level Cleric while in the capital building (since the creator had to cave-in and agree that there was at least 1 NPC in the world able to cast True Resurrection) and a level 3 cleric outside of it.

>I think i need Cornugon smash, furious focus, hurtful, and then Dreadful Carnage?

You also need this: d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/stunning-irruption-combat

Dynamic entry to administer the law!

It depends on the scale and place user. Just cause you don't like it doesn't mean its wrong.

sadly i think that feat is hard to utilize, as much fun as it is

There is no precedent in Pathfinder for "guy picking up a regular ass sword" equaling "gaining several levels in Fighter".

I'm really digging the samurai-girl that just got posted in the character thread, the one with a lovely singing voice!

What thread?

>mfw that's exactly what happens in my Original the Setting
>mfw it's a magic "Sword in the Stone" that grants the wielder 15 levels in Paladin as long as they remain within the borders of the Empire

I love how people try to argue their retarded personal perspective on things as though it were the only thing that is true.

You can gain XP in any which way your GM says you can gain XP - not just from killing shit. You can gain levels in any new class you choose (unless your DM says you cant). You could literally be 1 level in every class, and sure it would be shit, but you can do it. Picking up a sword or a wand or riding a horse can be an excellent way to represent dabbling, at the same time it also doesn't necessarily mean you are dabbling either.

There's no precedent of it not being true either. you seem to be rather fond of reductio ad absurdum.

The Character Discussion thread in the RotJR Roll20 page.

I'm getting some Azura vibes with her, if she took Elemental Flux she could really use the elements in cool ways during her performances!

Because it makes your dick twitch?

Well yeah but that's an artifact. That's aight.

Yes but there's a difference between how you fluff your exp and 'picks up sword = gets fighter level'

There's a difference between fluffing things and the mechanical effect of picking something up and gaining levels immediately.

>farm kid picks up a sword uses it to defend himself
>becomes first level fighter

hurr durr, now lets scale that

>10th level thief successfully steals artifact sword despite all expectations of failure
>gets awarded XP, chooses to take levels in fighter

Or there could even be a special fucking clause on the artifact weapon that say "you gain 3 levels in fighter while you're wielding this weapon". I mean shit there's magic items that make you count as 4 levels higher for getting bloodline abilities as a sorcerer, there's magic items that let you punch as though you're a much higher level monk.

Thanks user!

I'd picked Silver Crane over E Flux, but it's not finalized yet. I could still swap back!

>Yes but there's a difference between how you fluff your exp and 'picks up sword = gets fighter level'
>There's a difference between fluffing things and the mechanical effect of picking something up and gaining levels immediately.
No, there really isn't, you're just screaming about it because you don't like it and it disagrees with you.

Why do people in these threads have to be so fucking contrarian. It is a game, you can be wrong and it doesn't fucking matter. People can play how you don't like and it doesn't change a fucking thing.

>You can gain XP in any which way your GM says you can gain XP - not just from killing shit
Yes, and the GM can literally do anything. The general assumption is your getting XP for killing shit or meeting milestones.

The mere act of putting something on has no bearing on level. It has never been implied to have a bearing on level. The only reason you're even defending this shit is to be contrarian.
>farm kid picks up a sword uses it to defend himself
>becomes first level fighter
Yeah this is fucking stupid.
>Complete quest
>you get EXP
>IT"S TOTALLY BECAUSE OF THE ITEM
You know what. I'm fucking done. Fuck all of you fucking obutse weeaboo assholes.

I've always loved the concept of the holy capital of a theocracy granting bonus abilities to the priesthood. for instance, in eberron, the Lolipope of the silver Flame is normally a level 3 cleric outside of flamekeep, but counts as level fucking 18 inside the walls.

In a setting where level 11 is immensely powerful.

Are you the same guy from before, because you have the same kind of ass-backwards reasoning.

Yes, picking up a sword could be enough to get a 1st level PC his level in Fighter (Although the assumption would actually be that he was previously a Fighter and just hadn't fought yet.)

And yes, stealing a sword could get someone exp to level and take levels of Fighter.

But the act of 'picking up sword' does not give you fucking levels of Fighter. This ain't fucking 1st edition where your wealth is literally your exp track instead of effectively one.

>>farm kid picks up a sword uses it to defend himself
>>becomes first level fighter
>Yeah this is fucking stupid.

What did king arthur ever do to piss you off.

>The general assumption is your getting XP for killing shit or meeting milestones.

I dunno, touching an artifact certainly seems like a milestone met.

>You know what. I'm fucking done. Fuck all of you fucking obutse weeaboo assholes.

If you quit insisting that you were right about everything and stopped fucking arguing about things just cause you're being disagreed with, you might not be so angry. As it is, good fucking riddance.

>the act of 'picking up sword' does not give you fucking levels of Fighter.
There is literally nothing that says it cannot. But lets stop with the reductio ad absurdum - the initial argument was that "stealing ironmans armor can easily be represented by (temporarily) gaining class levels in [ironman]".

/pfg/ how does one know if something is perhaps too cliche, or something that been explored too much in media already? I'm torn on some background details because I realllllly like the way they contrast the immediate personality of my character but I'm also worried about how it could cast the character as "edgy"

Hey man, y'know how I gained my last level of fighter? I picked up a sword. It was totes coolio. I gained the XP because I rolled a 20 on my attempt to look cool while picking it up.

Regular ass sword isn't a fucking artifact, fuck face.
>I dunno, touching an artifact certainly seems like a milestone met.
'A regular goddamn sword isn't an artifact.
>If you quit insisting that you were right about everything and stopped fucking arguing about things just cause you're being disagreed with
So I should just agree with dumb bullshit that's wrong.
>the initial argument was that "stealing ironmans armor can easily be represented by (temporarily) gaining class levels in [ironman]".
So anyone who touches his suit automatically knows how to use it exactly like he did?

I disagree that 'ironman' is a class.

Tony Stark's strength is in his resources and his fuckblistering intelligence. He leveraged those to build equipment for himself.

A class should say something about YOU, not what equipment you have. Your class may imply you have certain equipment, like a Fighter having weapons, but your class is not 'I have a thing', because that says nothing special about you, just the thing you happen to have.

Tony Stark's class is 'rich and genius' not 'powersuit'

Don't worry about.

/pfg/ has shit taste. Make what you want.

The easy response would be, "if you think it's cliche, it probably is."

My advice? Fuck that, roll with the cliche or tired trope and milk that sucker for all it's worth, people eat that shit up for a reason.

I have one cardinal piece of advice though. Do not, and I repeat, DO NOT, half-ass the cliche. Play it straight or don't play it at all.

Dude, fuck the idea of cliche. Yes there are things that have been done to death, but you can't let that stop you from doing your own thing with it. Your character is your own and if you enjoy playing him it doesn't matter if he's a katana using, trench coat wearing, emo fuck, because he's YOUR katana using, trench coat wearing, emo fuck.

You've got this argument so confused and muddied you're literally just making yourself angry now. Good job.

People will continue to have fun in ways you don't like, you have done less than a mouse fart.

>your class is not 'I have a thing',
If [thing] is adequately represented by a class feature, yes your class can absolutely be [i have a thing]. See soulknife / aegis.

>If [thing] is adequately represented by a class feature, yes your class can absolutely be [i have a thing]. See sou
And aegis does not properly represent ironman, you dumb nigger.

Thanks /pfg/ I'll do my best to make you proud.

Given the fact your using catfolk images, I take it back. Don't do shit.

>people are still arguing with the autist

Autism can't be fixed guys.

No no, Soulknife and Aegis are 'I can create [thing] with my mind'

There's a difference. It says something about their personal abilities rather than things they own.

There are other RPGs where the dividing line is less solid, where you buy things like weapons with exp, but Pathfinder ain't one of them. Your stuff and your abilities are separate.

That is something still being disputed, and it is not in fact a universal truth. So please stop trying to act like you are the sole arbiter of what is correct or not.

>tfw only autists get into arguments with autists

>So please stop trying to act like you are the sole arbiter of what is correct or not.
But I am.

...

WHAT THE HECK IS A KAMI?

It's like a god.

BUT I'M STILL HERE.

>No no, Soulknife and Aegis are 'I can create [thing] with my mind'

What is refluffing.

You too user.

The cliches have nothing to do with the catfolk thing, but I also doubt that was the reason why you were mad.

Thus far, autist-user hates soulknife jedi's, ironman aegis's, gaining levels from items/artifacts and uh... more.

I wouldn't need to act "autistic" if /pfg/ finally to accepted my taste as superior.

You're feeble minds obviously can't comprehend why I'm right.

I wish your mother hadn't vaccinated you, so instead of autism you'd be dead from polio.

Hey dudes
I'm working on a magic item for someone in my group, and I can't quite get the feel right. Can you guys give me a few suggestions?
>Ranger, uses bow
>former Field medic in a war
what i have so far is It's a Magic Indestructible Needle that requires blood to activate. When pushed into someone, willing or otherwise, and use the heal skill, or something, you get like..your Con bonus back in HP?
>someone dying
>use heal on them
>both of you get healed for a little bit
it could also double as an arrowhead I guess

It needs to be minor, but with room for improvement as the game progresses, but with drawbacks or sacrifices

thoughts?

>What is refluffing.
Something that only goes so far, and Aegis Soulknife requires too much re-fluffing to be something that is a physical object independent of your mind. Which leads to dumb weird bullshit like you still being able to use a weapon after it's been stolen.

Follow your heart, user! Elemental Flux is beautiful, Silver Crane's beautiful, either way you're gonna be gorgeous!

I wasn't aware Martial Traditions were allowed though.

And I'd wish you got raped to death by a pack of wild niggers, life is simply unfair isn't it?

So i'm trying to decide what to use for my Master of many styles, I want at least one Elemental style, regardless of effectiveness. This is what i was thinking. Any comments?

Pummeling Style
Dragon style
Snapping Turtle Style
Djinni Style

I'm pretty sure there's a super special medic bag in Scaling Magic Items. Could look at that for ideas.

That doesn't cut it when your special ancestral sword your dad gave you is fucking obliterated and then you just have another one immediately.

Or why that sword can just vanish in antimagic.

That picture looks like a crochet implement of some sort to me, but I could be wrong. I'm not entirely au fait with crochet.

What do you want to *do*?

I wasn't saying it is a bad thing. I just keep getting nervous I'm going to miss the start date. I have my character's background now planned out, and the conceptual mechanics, but haven't finished it off.

I haven't gotten to play a dwarf in a long time I'm really looking forward to applying.

Also how much of a terrible person would I be for asking if I could use my own homebrew? Because while Fiendbound Marauder I am dead set on the other half is still sort of up for grabs. At the moment I am leaning investigator of some kind, but am not super set on alchemy. Part of me wants oracle, but don't have the Cha to spare. Part of me wants to play my own Unchained Cavalier.

Ask and you will receive an answer, as long as you don't sound like a dick about it he'll either say yes or no. Go from there.

Fuck bitches get money?

Hit things really hard, and then block retaliation if they survive.

Plus Electricity fists for good measure.

The ancestral sword had a spirit from how old and badass it was, so it comes back to you as a ghost-sword (complete with ghost-touch).

Boom, go fuck yourself.

I think I'll wait. I've been staying away from it because I heard there has been a lot of circle jerking.

>I've been staying away from it because I heard there has been a lot of circle jerking

What, from the Q&A thread? user please, I've seen plenty of circle-jerking in my day (participated in a few myself) and what's going on over there could hardly be considered even a reach under the table.

Most of the circle jerking is in this very thread.

Seriously, dude makes a thread for people to post ideas. All that goes on is some guys help make suggestions for a mounted archer.

People probably aren't going to act so fucking cringy now that we can start putting "names to faces" so to speak.

>People probably aren't going to act so fucking cringy now that we can start putting "names to faces" so to speak.

Is it sad that I'm actually more cringey when I've got a username, and I'm actually quite civil or friendly as user?

Yeah, now THAT says something about your character, go fuck YOURself.

Yeah, now justify the soulknifes mindblade as being an actual material object. Since that's what was being argued.

>Is it sad that I'm actually more cringey when I've got a username, and I'm actually quite civil or friendly as user?
No one is, user. No one is.

They're DPS, so I don't see why they wouldn't be. If they are I'll end up with Golden Lion, Silver Crane via traits, and Scarlet Throne via traditions. If they aren't I'll go with Golden Lion, Elemental Flux, and Silver Crane.

It's like Soul Edge or Soul Calibur, it reforges itself through its own willpower when broken and returns to its true master at a thought after being stolen.

The important thing when doing that is to be ready to alter the top as the bottom gets fleshed out. Sometimes shit just doesn't make sense or would/should result in entirely different paths, etc.

Much like with scientific hypotheses, you HAVE to be ready to discard bad ideas, no matter how much you wish you could put it in, otherwise you get very strange disconnected fuckups like that amazon matriarchy on golarion.

Actually they ARE.
The ancestral stuff is a tough one to refluff without sounding like you're pulling a whole lot of retcon out your ass, but "it's physical" is actually how they are.

The easiest refluff is to be materializing the blade from anything around you (including dust or air), because it's not energy damage; when you emulate a mace, it crushes things completely normally, and can be sundered and whatnot.

>DPS
DSP*

No it's not.

It can be sundered. But it's not a singular object. It's made of mind stuff and can just be regenerated out of your asshole free of charge ass opposed to an expensive peace of equipment.

It IS however a material object. Yes it's free, but it's not some ghost blade. It's not immaterial, it's not pure energy, as long as it's functioning it's a physical THING.

Forgotten Realms campaign setting, 1367 DR, but with more psionics and smokepowder than in 3.0.

What about the Investigator do you want most? If you can afford to give up a few extracts, take the Polymath class template and take the Solar Wind maneuvers.

>d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/classes/martial-class-templates/polymath-template

>As a move action, a soulknife can form a semi-solid weapon composed of psychic energy distilled from her own mind.

I'm really bad about filtering through games at roll20. I'm generally just poor at judging the quality of a game and overly pessimistic. Does anyone know of any games currently recruiting on roll20 that I could look into?

I'll admit I'm looking to either play a skill monkey or a wizard. 3pp isn't necessary. Just asking for some help.

Also I plan on making use of Horizon Walker, but do not know the most common terrains in Jade Regent. I don't want to spoil myself by looking it up, can people help me out by giving me a short list of the most common?

Looks to be Mountains, tundra, forests then plains.