Meta bred

Because most other places are worse.

Only use reddit for Python and Xen communities. Only thing worthwhile in that dumpster fire. I used to main Veeky Forums. Was here daily for most of its life up til about 2 years ago, that's when I noticed a major drop in quality. Even if there's less meta and bullshit, there's also less creativity, drive, and that stubborn get shit done attitude.
Agreed, Generals are the worst thing to happen to this board since Nazimod banned all the drawfags.

Too many people posting the same arguments to troll and people FALLING for it.

"I expect people to roleplay their social rolls."
"WELL UMMM UMMMMM UMMM LIFT MY FRIDGE"
"That's not what I said and you know it."
"WELL YOU JUNCANT MUSEM AGIC IN RELA LLIIFEE MMUMMMMMMYYYYYYY!!!!!!"

Shit like that. Also, you want to see salt? Post that one quasit witch with the throwing knife and people will sperg, and sperg, and sperg because their power fantasy comes to a screeching halt because a fight is actually difficult.

As much as I thoroughly despise this buzzword, this board needs a casual filter.

That stigma stems almost exclusively from the rampant quest threads and lazy content creators using quest threads as an excuse to dump their talentless horseshit homebrew without putting any real time or effort into it. No one is going to scoff at someone like SSB who spent the better part of 5 years refining his system and working constantly on revisions; genuine effort and passion into his system. That's the kind of content creation that should be encouraged, not the mediocrity cesspit that quests and drawfag threads brought.

I don't really care for generals either, but they're a necessary evil. Veeky Forums - MtG, Warhammer, D&D would be appropriate if they weren't contained somewhat. And you can't deny the wonders they've done for communal archival purposes.

Now that Quest threads are gone we've been getting spammed with more shitty troll threads than ever.

The new favorite target is Generals. Once again, a vocal minority is dictating policy for the majority who are fine with their threads.

But I can definitely say that Hiroshimoot only cares about squeezing as much money as he can out of the site. He's fucked up so much in such a short time.

>Nazimod banned all the drawfags.

Are you retarded or something?

Generals are shit, and are anathema to the idea of an imageboard. You want generals,
>>>/reddit/
is that way.

Nice that you've spent 4 whole days here. Lurk moar.

>That stigma stems almost exclusively from the rampant quest threads and lazy content creators using quest threads as an excuse to dump their talentless horseshit homebrew without putting any real time or effort into it. No one is going to scoff at someone like SSB who spent the better part of 5 years refining his system and working constantly on revisions; genuine effort and passion into his system. That's the kind of content creation that should be encouraged, not the mediocrity cesspit that quests and drawfag threads brought.

How do Quests encourage mediocre content?

And don't say that "they took up half the board." That's a stupid argument that's been disproven multiple times.

Nice to see that you're still living in 2008 where your complaints actually had a smidgen of merit.

There was a point in time where you could recycle the plot of anything you wanted, slap a few images on, shake up the story the tiniest bit, and pander to waifufags for 30+ threads. They really did choke this place for a while, because the most active threads (The quests) were all that you could see. So while that user may be a bit hyperbolic, quests bogged down at least the first 4 pages

We Don't want Generals gone. We don't need our version of Veeky Forums that would be horrible.

Rather, we'd like the Generals to be treated as a reference, or a base of operations, not a "This and only this thread is for you" mentality. It's how we get retarded shit about "Oh, EVERYONE hates D&D and PF," yet you constantly have Fantasy Race threads that refer back to such material consistently. Hell, there's a cut orc thread up right now.

It's those damned quest threads. Quest threads are ruining this board. FUCK quests.
oh wait, quests aren't here anymore. uhh...
It's those damned CYOA threads. CYOA threads are ruining this board. FUCK CYOAs.

Lay out an argument, don't restate your point.

>Anathema to the idea of an image board
Pray tell, What's this "idea of an image Board?"

>Reddit Boogeyman

Not an argument.

I'm honestly surprised Mages Guild and Pathetic Marines escaped the wrath of AntiQuestfags.

I want another Pathetic Marines RP Thread.

I don't see what's the inherent problem with generals. They don't keep people out (I pop in and out of generals of stuff I have only passing interest all the time), they don't prevent other threads (warhammer threads get refered to generals only with specific rules questions, board game threads never do), they don't keep people out of other threads, because they're not fast enough for that.

What's the problem with generas?

Come on, I wanted to hear something actually actual, not you beaing angry at the same stale shit for 465328967892736210088th time

The first 4 pages seems like a gross exaggeration.

And while I agree that mass-produced garbage was common, that didn't warrant the creation of a separate board. Quests quite simply did not have the traffic and volume to require that.

>And don't say that "they took up half the board." That's a stupid argument that's been disproven multiple times.
could you point me to one such proof? Because I definitely remember them taking up huge amounts of the board, people constantly bitching about them and the relation between quests and non-quests beig ridicolous.

A counterproof would lay my, apperently faulty, memory to rest.

>Imageboard
A fast pace hub meant for fleeting discussion and rapid development. Often used for discussing pop culture and current events, its for temporarily coming together for a specific purpose. One of the things that stuck in my craw about older Veeky Forums was the D&D Edition wars bullshit. Instead of thinking of homebrew and errata to make an edition better, we got stuck on "4.x is the best!" "Your mother gargles cock sauce, 3.5 is the only edition and you're shit if you disagree!" for what felt life fucking forever.

Topics SHOULD die down in popularity, they should wax and wane over time, and we should look to new discussions as well as different viewpoints.

>Reddit boogyman
Reddit is good for what it is, making echo-chambers and stagnant ponds.

I remember distinctly having to dig 6 pages to find one decently topical thread about homebrew, but this was quite a while ago as I stated, haven't been active besides checking in once a week for a while now.

I remember my filters in catalog saying that quests, /pfg/, CYOAs and MTG took up about 20 or about threads

Most of them were and still are poorly thought out text based diarrhea horrible excuses for "DMing" that wouldn't even pass as playable at the most vile table at the FLGS using the stalest post bait content imaginable that makes PbP look good by comparison.

Believe it or not, but people actually enjoy (You)s and seeing Little Johnny Waifushit get 300 posts daily in his threads is enough to inspire Tiny Willy Weeb make his own little bastard baby fetish quest thread to perpetuate the cycle of deviantart and tumblr fused content that polluted this board for years. Quest thread creators and posters had no genuine interest in tabletop gaming, and the "rules" they used were as laughable as Dungeon World. They used this board as a personal masturbatory chamber to fuel and stroke their egos while driving away most of the quality contributors.

I'm on my phone right now, but a bunch of images were being thrown around a few months ago pointing out that Quest Threads took up about 15-18% of board space at their peak hours.

The issue came from the fact that the space they took up was near the front, so people who browsed without extensions or without using the built-in catalog would get pissed off.

>What are Veeky Forums's problems?
Meta threads.

The type of discussion that occurs in Generals is all clumped together, and encourages a single-topic thread with very few deviations, hence the reddit bogeyman, where everything is already in its own little box. Veeky Forums will never get to be at Reddit's level of autistic Compartmentalizing, but it's certainly not too far from it either.

The Nostalgia argument of 2007 is that the board was better when we allowed all sorts of random crap.

The case against that was that it was b tier. This is true.

However, the result was a less confined mentality. People would argue about anything and everything. This was bad, but it occasionally lead to some interesting paths of discussion, which resulted in a piece of writing, art, or maybe a homebrew system.

The whole argument is whether it's better to deal with less structure, more trash, but better creativity, or a more rigid structure with clear guidelines, but more coherent discussion and a less open mentality.

I remember making screencaps with 15 out of the top 40 threads being quests and posting it to show how ridiculous I found it.

Sure wish I'd had saved them now, never thought there would be discussion about how overbearing questthreads were. (In fact, I never thought I would speak about quests in the past tense)

Veeky Forums is like a Groundhog Day, people repeat things that were said for thousand times and bitch about things that are long dead

You haven't seen /ksg/ have ya?

/ksg/?

Is /pfg/ a good general or a bad general?

>Most of them were and still are poorly thought out text based diarrhea horrible excuses for "DMing" that wouldn't even pass as playable at the most vile table at the FLGS using the stalest post bait content imaginable that makes PbP look good by comparison.

Gross exaggeration. Even the most asinine Anime Quests weren't that bad.

>Believe it or not, but people actually enjoy (You)s and seeing Little Johnny Waifushit get 300 posts daily in his threads is enough to inspire Tiny Willy Weeb make his own little bastard baby fetish quest thread to perpetuate the cycle of deviantart and tumblr fused content that polluted this board for years. Quest thread creators and posters had no genuine interest in tabletop gaming, and the "rules" they used were as laughable as Dungeon World.

And? They roleplayed and utilized rulesets. They fall firmly into the category of an RPG. The fact that you disliked them has no weight.

>They used this board as a personal masturbatory chamber to fuel and stroke their egos while driving away most of the quality contributors.

How did they drive away quality contributors?

Your argument so far consists of accusing Quests of being bad by your specific definitions. And some nebulous reasoning about driving away good content producers. Please elaborate, without using your subjective viewpoint and devolving into just calling them bad.

This was over 500+ threads ago. No, I'm not joking. It's been a long while since I looked

Generals discuss a variety of topics, rather than maintaining the single-mindedness that you seem to believe they hold. While they do stagnate at times, they speed up with new topics of discussion not long afterwards. Every general is different.

>Every general is different.
Except for every /pfg/, which either begins or ends in degeneracy.

Any time they manage not to put some form of waifu-bait up at the OP I'm amazed. Also their thread is fairly dedicated to "tweaking my character build with X approved splats" Builds are for TCGS and Armies, not characters, buy that's just my opinion.

Pardon me, apparently it's up over 3000 now

And?

Why does Veeky Forums even have a Katawa Shoujo General? The Elder Scrolls and WoW generals I can understand, even if I don't agree with them, but Katara Shoujo was a dating sim about crippled girls, wasn't it?

>Gross exaggeration. Even the most asinine Anime Quests weren't that bad.
No, they were and they are.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, exhibit A
The prosecution rests

That would have been on this very board, a mere 3 months ago. That shining example of great content production that you view with the utmost respect and admiration right here at our doorstep.

But in all seriousness, there may not be a quantifiable metric for "badness" but by God, if there were it would be written something along the lines of: when your hobby/discussion place gets infested with anime or anime enthusiasts, it's gone to shit.

/pfg/ has been waifu-free recently!

Just have a look at /pfg/'s recent OPs.

archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/subject/pfg/

>States that Veeky Forums will never be as autistic as /reddit/
>Is delivered a rebuttal; proving that we have long since surpassed their autism, and in fact have our own hypercompressed form of sperg, created under intense pressure in general threads about a Crippled Waifu Dating Sim, created by people from Veeky Forums, for people on Veeky Forums, to feel a single shred of empathy by using the most cliched and heartwrenching tropes possible.
>And?

>He says, while posting Waifu-bait himself.

This is from Veeky Forums, though there were KS threads here on Veeky Forums when it came out. My point was about Generals and the things they do to human spirit.

I've been here since I started playing dnd a goddamn decade ago. Shit was better before overly confining generals and nazimod shit everything up. If you recall, generals are a product of the pony wars.

I'm on your side. I'm arguing against Less Emphasis on Generals to avoid the compartmentalized stigma. However you can't have NO Generals.

The problem lies with the community, not the structure of the board, and unless we can convince anyone of that nothing will change.

I didn't wanna recall, and still don't.

Nothing's gonna fix it user. At this point, the board has been raped so many times and lost so much there'll be no influx of new blood to help it, and Hiroshimoot isn't trying to fix the site, he's trying to datamine and dump it.

>>/qst/842669

Not sure if that's a parody quest or not. Plenty of those have popped up on /qst/ since it first was created.

>But in all seriousness, there may not be a quantifiable metric for "badness" but by God, if there were it would be written something along the lines of: when your hobby/discussion place gets infested with anime or anime enthusiasts, it's gone to shit.

Anime is a medium. A medium dominated by softcore porn and mediocre stories, but a medium nonetheless.

And even if that thread was on Veeky Forums, so what? What harm does it do? Unlike an anime fan, it's not going to come over and try to interact with another thread. How does it drive away "quality content" producers?

>board culture and content changes over time due to external and internal forces, like every other community on and off the Internet
>NO THIS IS BAD, NO LIKE CHANGE, CHANGE BACK
This thread is the Veeky Forums equivalent of old fogies complaining about "kids these days" while r/lewronggeneration kids agree with them and jerk off their shriveled dicks.

And just like that, nothing will change.

Generalizing based on 1 examp le proves nothing. You need statistical significance.

suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Collective Game

Mods, Hiro we never depended on those in the first place.

The old motto was "Veeky Forums self-moderates."

What we really need is to start a campaign reminding what Veeky Forums is really all about:

A bunch of Fa/tg/uys on an imageboard, talking about the things they love, and not giving a flying fuck as to anyone's opinion on it, least of all the other members.

The board is supposed to be Fun. I want to enjoy myself on here. Read some stories, shoot the shit. Argue about whether a flying Kraken could take on a Dragon.

Sometimes it'll be absolutely stupid. Other times quite deep and moving. Whatever else, it's an adventure, and that's really what we're all searching for:

A good story to tell our friends and board members.

That kind of thinking is mostly killed by the new community, you've got faggots like who are content with mediocre generals that go nowhere and people who make nothing.

That ALSO proves nothing because Suptg only archives things that are submitted to it and is based on a point system. A highly ranked non-quest thread on Suptg would be a VERY good thread in general. Since many QMs and their players use Suptg to archive their Quests, Quests get inflated points based on their player base. Threads with low to mediocre scores are purged by Lord Licorice, provided he remembers.

If you want to prove something statistically, go to 4plebs and pull up some searches.

What kind of Kraken and what kind of Dragon?

The problem is, if you don't go into 3.PF with a build, you're effectively crippling yourself.