MTO Daemonettes

There's always the ForgeWorld Keeper of secrets.

Keeper of secrets have always been a bovine headed monstrosity rather than some giant titty monster.
It's the musk and all the shit in the aura that surrounds it that makes it entice people.

Yet the official model comes with a non-cow head and art depicts them in different looks.

Should I order 5 or 10 seekers? I'd probably use 2 or 3 for a Kill Team (HoR) and the rest for conversions.

On the other hand, they are £27.50, which is slightly steep.

Agreed. We need a new Keeper of Secrets.

I can't stand both the old GW shit nor the FW cheesecake.

It deserves a proper model.

None because I'm not a GW drone that eats up whatever they shit out.
Honestly, fucking control yourselves.

30 nets and 10 seekers.
I always thought Slaanesh were about having this fucked up beauty, but the newest models just looks ugly.
even though the very old ones had claws as well I rather prefer the stab arm instead because they look more elegant.

Then what are You doing in a thread about one of GW's exlusive products ? Just to whine about how special You are and bis shit Gee dubs is ?

Two boxes, plus one box of the mounted Seekers. I already have 20 on foot and a single random Seeker, so that gives me enough for two full units of infantry and a small 6-girl Cavalry squad. Combine that with the FW Keeper of Secrets and that'll make a nice fluffy core for my Daemon army.

>GW puts out what people wanted them to put out for years
>being a GW drone

0/10 boxes for you.

I got just one squad of each, would have liked to grab at least 2 preferably 3 of each but that was too much for me to stomach. I'll still have some more daemonettes, but I wont be starting an army out of them.

The best I can give you is a (you) because that's a 0/10 response

None. I already had a dozen from back in the day when they got first released.

But I'm happy for those of you who always wanted them but weren't prepared to pay the ludicrous prices on eBay.

It comes with both heads actually.

>Or maybe you weren't into Warhams when they were available?
I think this is the most likely case, it's been at least half a decade now, right? That's plenty of time for a new batch of rosy cheeked fresh faced grognardlings to get into the game.

dubbz plz go

Are these not available in the US?

They don't do world wide roll out so you have to wait for saturday afternoon for it to come up on your respective country online store.

Why do CSM AND Daemons only get 5 things in total made to order?

Imperial Guard got lots in comparison.

Why is the shitty Emp Children lord there when we could have had glorious metal cultists instead?

>Dude your mom's here!
>For fuck's sake Carl!

Because people voted for the EC lord. I don't think most even remember metal cultists were a thing. Hell, I barely remember there even being much images of the models anywhere, and I played during those days.

8 and a half years.

the company is slowly getting better thanks to the new ceo but he needs to show the board that his way works better then kirbys way do you want to prove the hero we need wrong

Alpha Kevin just knows what the customers want, unlike kirby. Sure, he is still a businesmann and he wants profit, but he also Knies war we like

yeah, slaanesh deserves something both fucking scary and beautiful at the same time. Unfortunately, this is almost impossible to perform irl

>the company is slowly getting better
How exactly? Models still overpriced rules aren't great, writing and art still at deviant-tier.
And thanks to new CEO warhammer vidya ruined forever.

>>GW puts out what people wanted them to put out for years
People wanted old and unattractive models?

>Models are still overpriced
Subjective

>Rules aren´t great
Still subjective

>Writing and art still at deviant-tire
And yet again, subjective

Great to let us know your own opinion user.
Another way to write your message, not to make it sound so "according to facts" would be;

"How exactly? I still cant afford all the models I want, and I personally don't think the rules are that great, plus I hate the writing and the new art."

See what I did there?

So after gargling horse cock for 2 weeks you finally take a 1minute break and this is what you have to say.... There's a reason you are kept in the pig pen...

Amazing post brother, you sure showed him!

Bringing back old models
Reviving old armies
Revitalizing white dwarf
Encouraging more hobby oriented sites
Creating things like Regimental Standard
BFG, Death Wing and Total War
Listening to the player base
Releasing bundles like the BaC, BoP, Start Collecting and the new Battle Force
Models: Genestealers, Skitarii, Thousand Sons, Sylvanneth, Custodes/Sisters of battle

And thats off the top of my head, you cynic

eric, simply eric

The only thing GW has ruined so far is ending their contract with Fantasy Flight which literally kills of 40K/Fantasy RPG, Card Games and some Board Games.

I doubt GW will do anything to continue support any of the FFG products.

It's spelled with a P and not R...

The overall art quality has massively fallen, there is no excuse for that. Some of the books are just lazy and embarrassing from a company that used to have overall excellent art. They also hardly ever draw things they don't have models for which is awful.

Also defending a company that is actively trying to price itself out of the market is stupid.

>Subjective
Yeah sure 100 USD for 3 poorly sculpted models and 30+ USD for individual model great price policy.
>Still subjective
Rules still "pick formation2win".
>And yet again, subjective
Sure.
>See what I did there?
Show me the power of your denial?

they did it because they are now making board games in house, so they wanted the liceanse back.
Not sure what they intend for RPGs though. They might make something inhouse, or maybe not.
Board and Card games are a small price to pay of specialist games coming back

>used to have overall excellent art
Nostalgia filter there.
There was some excellent art. And some awful shit.
But people don't save and repost the awful shit, and so it doesn't get remembered.

>Bringing back old models
It's supposed to be good?
>Reviving old armies
Such as..?
>Revitalizing white dwarf
It's still brochure.
>Encouraging more hobby oriented sites
You mean what?
>BFG
Empire at War released 10 years ago.
>Death Wing
Level design from Wolf3D + lack of different enemies (because GW selling license for other races separately like DLC).
>Total War
Dead modding, thanks for new CEO paranoia (no global mods, no models import).
>Listening to the player base
I never heard that playerbase asked for higher prices and low quality.
>Releasing bundles like the BaC, BoP, Start Collecting and the new Battle Force
Still useless for the game.
>Models: Genestealers, Skitarii, Thousand Sons, Sylvanneth, Custodes
Well yeah, skitarii was good, but other, seriously?
>Sisters of battle
Wut?

I don't have any kind of chaos army nor do I know their rules. How many daemonettes would I need at minimum to make buying any worthwhile?

>Board and Card games are a small price to pay of specialist games coming back
Well nope, FFG made high quality rules and games, GW making low quality games.

>complains about high model costs
>says all the options for getting a lot of models at a low cost are useless for the game.

10

>>says all the options for getting a lot of models at a low cost are useless for the game.
Well yes, all big boxes useless, thanks for great rules.

I just bought recasts for a fraction of the price. I have about 30 right now.

Silver Tower, Blood Bowl, Space Hulk, rumors of Necromunda and Mordheim.

FFG makes their share of flops too. Chaos in the Old World was bad, Eldar Sign is meh.

FFG started competing with GW more directly. It's regrettable, but hardly surprising.

Thats how I roll baby!





Again, its still all your own personal opinions you post here user´s. If you cant see that, I cant really help you. I know you both want to believe its the "truth", because you posted it as such, but I'm afraid its still just your own opinion.

As for the art, that entirely up to the person who views it. Do I think its good? Some are, some ain't. Do I have any imagination that my viewing of what is good and what is not, have any substantial value as "facts"? No, because I'm not an art critic, and I know its just my opinion as such.

And while you might think its expensive, others may not. Some people have no need to get a 4k army on the table stat, but enjoy this hobby using a simple budget. Some people are just in it to paint, and settles for a box a month. Some people earn more money then you. I mean, the arguments against your "facts" is endless.

Same applies to your opinion on the rules. Simply because you think everyone who played this game, view it from your perspective. "you can only win if you pick the right formation!", well.. Ill hit you with this, what If I'm not in it to win? What If I'm simply playing the game to socialize with fiends, or to build deep scenarios, or don't even play with points (as the game was meant to be), or if I just do it as a fun factor but my true hobby is painting. Again, the arguments against your "facts" are endless, to the point of making you look silly.

Now I'm all for posting your own personal opinions of the game you enjoy, and all your thought of what is right and wrong in the matter. But please, do it with some class of admitting its your opinion, not the "facts" laid down on the table.

*tip of the hat

>Silver Tower
Overpriced Descent with worse rules, no thanks.
>Blood Bow
I loved BB, but shit, ruleset is just old and clusmy and 100USD fro board game?
>Space Hulk
If rememeber correectly the last version was published during the Kirby, no?
>rumors of Necromunda and Mordheim.
>rumors
Here is your problem.
Also, both of them weren't good games, they were just light modification fo 40k and WHFB core rulesets.

Meh, second paragraph meant for and Not

Got 20 for my summoning factory.
Psykana division should bring them out fairly easily.

>I don't have any arguments, so I will keep posting the same post about "it's just your opinion, stop talking bad about GW"

>Now I'm all for posting your own personal opinions of the game you enjoy, and all your thought of what is right and wrong in the matter. But please, do it with some class of admitting its your opinion, not the "facts" laid down on the table.
Unlike you I knew flaws of my game.

I already was lucky enough to have an old metal squad.

And honestly, I just bought that for the sake of having it. I don't even play Chaos or Daemons - at best I might bring out one of the girls if a librarian gets possessed or something.

Great butts though. Like, holy fuck, anyone who says GW can't sculpt females would take it back upon gazing at those asses.

>would take it back
Nope :3

So your saying, a player who decides to play for fun. He simply enjoys the game for what it is, and has no interest in breaking the game (which is so easy a 7 year old could potentially do it), has no right to think its a good game?
See, for that person, it is a good game, how ever you argue, because it fills his needs.

I get it, you wont buy that your opinions are in fact just that, personal opinions. And I get it, you will still argue that your thoughts are facts no matter the comeback. I just personally think your wrong in the matter.

>So your saying, a player who decides to play for fun.
Give definition of "fun", please.
>has no right to think its a good game?
Without any explanation or arguments? Nope.
Also, he says nothing about "fun", he literally says"lolno, you are wrong, it's just your opinion, everything is great la-la-la"

>FFG started competing with GW more directly
Irony, but with all those Specialist Games reboot it looks like GW really fearing to make new BFG, because they cannot compete with FFG.

...

>Give definition of "fun", please.
different user, but here you go
noun
1.
something that provides mirth or amusement:
A picnic would be fun.
2.
enjoyment or playfulness:
She's full of fun.

>If rememeber correectly the last version was published during the Kirby, no?

Weren't all of them?

Okay, where is
>mirth or amusement:
or
>enjoyment or playfulness:
In poor quality and high prices?
The point was that Space Hulk was never closed.

>FFG made high quality rules and games
Look at their WHFB RP and try saying that again with a straight face.

>and try saying that again with a straight face.
And I will say it again, their addons for 2nd edition were great and GW board games sucks.
Problems Matt?

You were asking for the definition and i gave it to you, i never really cared about the discussion between you and that other user.

Anyway, all of my GW stuff is at least higher middle class ( 6,9/10) quality, but yeah, the prices are higher than i would like them to be. In my opinion WH40k is more fun than Warmhordes and Infinity, but i am probably biased, i admit that.

>writing and art quality are subjective
You can't be this retarded, surely? Have you had an overdose of AoS?
I agree that GW is looking up at the moment, but hell, there IS criteria for judging art and writing. Most of the new art is just shit. To show something is lit, they just paint white, or mix the overall colour with white. That is NOT how light & colour work, and is a trademark of low skilled painters.

And don't get me started on the writing. It's never been amazing, but lately is even more of a teenage mary sueish power fantasy.
The relativism you are trying to build your defense on was debunked long ago.

>cannot compete with FFG
cannot compete with the Star Wars license.

ftfy

>In my opinion WH40k is more fun than Warmhordes and Infinity,
What exactly you finding more fun? Just curiosity, nothing more.
There wer a lot of Satr Wars games before FFG, but only FFG made real "GW killer", so I think FFG make something right.

Its rules are an unbalanced clusterfuck that would have Matt raise eyebrows. A level 1 Ironbreaker is virtually unkillable unless the DM draws one of those bullshit insta-kill critical injury cards.

Speaking of which, critical injuries ran the gammut from 'slight debilitation' to 'completely useless to the rest of the party and nigh-impossible to get rid of' or even 'you're dead, fuck HP' based purely on chance. They were shit and the definition of not fun.

The game's dice mechanics are cool though.

Most of the art from the Sylvaneth book is outstanding. But that's the only recent GW book I've bought.

>What exactly you finding more fun? Just curiosity, nothing more.
Not that user, but for Warmahordes the community is just terrible and Infinity has rather stale lore. Even the bland tripe of AoS puts more effort in trying to make the world feel alive than Infinity does.

Is that hijab?
>book is outstanding
Excuse me, but it's generic as fuck, there is literally soulless without any piece or fraction of individuality,
Also, nice Anub'arak
>but for Warmahordes the community is just terrible
It's more sport-focused, but nothing else.
>and Infinity has rather stale lore.
Explain please.
>Even the bland tripe of AoS puts more effort in trying to make the world feel
Yeah "here lava/ice/light world" setting in another Space Marines novel much better than usual sci-fi with 80's cyberounk and anime influence.

>Is that hijab?
>>book is outstanding
>Excuse me, but it's generic as fuck, there is literally soulless without any piece or fraction of individuality,
>Also, nice Anub'arak

Ah. So I see we're just shitposting. Well, carry on then.

>Ah. So I see we're just shitposting.
Why? How your picture supposed to show the great GW artwork?

i hope i am not mixing things up, but there are three things that i really dislike. The first thing is that you dislike is the fact that you dont make your own saving throws, the second is that i dislike most of their miniature, they look strange and comic like ( a problem some GW models also suffer from ) and the third is the Meta. All Warmhordes i`ve met so far were try hard Powergamers and also " that guy`s" who just played the game to show how much they dislike GW and how much better they are. My local 40k meta is pretty friendly compared to that.

Unlike Warmhordes infinity was fun, but i only played 3 games. The minis were actually good looking, more or less on par with GW, but i had less fun with infinity because it didnt felt as good as 40k does. I know thats pretty much the worst argument ever. Infinitys background is kinda generic ( as far as i know ) and i really like narrative games, maybe thats why it was less fun

Ugh, look at those ugly things. So overdesigned. The actual Daemonettes have a lot more smooth skin and cloth, not all the grossly ornate metal.

>It's more sport-focused, but nothing else.
Maybe your local community is better, but mine is filled with a crowd that cares about winning and nothing else. Can't even have a fun conversation about the world, since nobody reads the lore, and gods forbid you don't paint your army in the standard colours.

>Explain please.
There's... a shell of a story, but nothing really done to expand on it, draw me in. Maybe the RPG will change that, but so far the world just doesn't really have an appeal to me. There's a lot of names and places, but they all just seem detached from one another rather than create a narrative.

>Yeah "here lava/ice/light world" setting in another Space Marines novel much better than usual sci-fi with 80's cyberounk and anime influence.
At least there I've actually been able to read a couple of stories in the world. It's a pale imitation of the depth that WHFB has, but even that pale imitation is more than I got out of Infinity.

There was one minis game. WotC's "Star Wars Miniatures" game with its absolutely god awful miniatures.

>Excuse me, but it's generic as fuck
I dunno. I absolutely love stuff like this. GW isn't the first to do "Angry Dryads" but this is hardly rote fantasy fare.

dem tree tats

>s, the second is that i dislike most of their miniature, they look strange and comic like
Yes, pretty typical thing in most of american fantasy.
>All Warmhordes i`ve met so far were try hard Powergamers
Well the game is made for it, for cool and interesting battles.
>Infinitys background is kinda generic
Yes, but actually no, they just focused on more fresh references than original 40k, but hey it's 2016, Appleseed, GiTS already old.
And after all there is no such things as a lot of classic cyberpunk settings.
>and i really like narrative games
You mean what? IMO but Infinity provides one of the best narrative games, rules interesing and almost always allow you to use likeable units.
>but mine is filled with a crowd that cares about winning and nothing else.
It's wargames, not RPG.
>but nothing really done to expand on it, draw me in.
Irony, but you almost described my experience with new GW novels, "just bunch of generic decoration which would be totally irrelevant for the plot and setting once novel is ended", except the fact that CB didn't publish novel to expand the setting, but unlike GW there are few really important places in setting, and the whole setting much more local or smaller without shitton of noname cloned planets.

>Well the game is made for it, for cool and interesting battles.

Is it really cool and interesting if everyone and their mother used the same 3 lists with little to no difference ?

>It's wargames, not RPG.
Maybe for Warmahordes, but when I talk with 40K players I can spend hours just chatting about the lore. I like chatting about lore.
>but unlike GW there are few really important places in setting
That might actually be the root of why I don't really care for the Infinity world: There's little to nothing to care about.

Excellent quantity selections daemonfriend.
+1

Who is Matt?

WHO IS MATT?!!!!

Speaking of good KoS replacement, anyone has conversion ideas to make a KoS from another kit ?

I frequently play at my local GW and eventho the manager is pretty chill I would prefer to keep it mostly made out of GW kits.

So far the Skaven Verminlord seem to be a strong contender but I'm afraid it will be too much green stuff work to make it look good, especially with all that fur to trim down.

Any ideas ?

>Maybe for Warmahordes
It's for whole genre, which called wargames, not RPG.
>There's little to nothing to care about.
Yeah it could be a problem since except Paradiso most of factions just in Cold War with each other.

me again, i send it to early

>narrative games
For me narrative games need some good lore and i think that 40k wins in that aspect

Literally just buy the Forge World one.

>For me narrative games need some good lore and i think that 40k wins in that aspect
Could you explain how you are making your narrative games? Army fith their own fluff? Battle with some backstory?
Also, 40k still have shitton of good thing in lore, but mostly it's old parts which lies deep in lore, new one is mostly wasted potential.
Irony, but Infinity making the same as 40k did, collecting references and things from old popular fiction.

>It's for whole genre, which called wargames, not RPG.
And yet, in my 40K community I can spend hours chatting about lore. I can't do the same in my Warmahordes community, so I spend more time with my 40K friends than my Warmahordes friends, and as a result play more 40K than Warmahordes.

Pity, because I do like Warmahordes lore.