Suck it, Roger Ver

Get BACK Where you belong.

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KILL IT!! KILLL IITTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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why the hate for Roger?

He's pretty accomplished and has lead an interesting life, there are a couple good interviews where he talks about it. It changed my opinion of him.

btc jew shills are pathetic

it will do elliot waves all the way to 0.6

yep Roger is truly Bitcoin Jesus, I will follow this guy to the ends of the earth tbqh. the fact that he is fudded so hard is just affirmation

Whenever you short BCH, ask yourself why would someone steadily accumulate 370k ($700mil worth) of it since inception.

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He got angry about the name in one interview and blockstreams used it to trash him since

Enjoy your shitcoin core bags OP

Roger Ver is a little Bitch lol

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>get this much emotional attachment
>when you lost 90% in sat and bitcoin moon to 50k, roger will wipe your tear with his dick

I wanna take Roger Ver's big fat Cock so far up my ass he cums a million BCH Satoshis and puts an investment in my Buttwallet.

I want Roger Ver's BCH Satoshi's to grow inside my wallet and Fuck the insides as it grows to over 2 K , as I scream.

God it feels so GOOD to get pumped and dumped.

Blockstream shills out in force tonight. Keep it up though, any press is good press.

Roger Ver shilled the fuck out of BTC and it's in its current place today in no small part due to Ver's efforts and investments. Now he's shilling the fuck out of BCH for the same reasons he shilled BTC. Cheap, timely transactions that no one can control. BTC no longer has what originally gave it value, BCH will gladly accept the new title as king.

I don't think it'll happen through sporadic pumps that we see from time to time, it will happen due to adoption over time from users and merchants who actually want to use Bitcoin as a currency. Every day more places accept BCH, and fewer accept BTC. Give it a couple years, and BCH will be the cash of the world, and long before then the revolution-turned-ponzi of BTC will collapse.

Roger will deliver us from the evil of bcore and Satoshi will give us the real coin again and Jihan will deliver the mining hardware for proof of work

kek
so he raged and said some regrettable things. at this point what crypto founder hasn't done this?
Look at IOTA with their daily founder drama, for example.

Ahahahha. Back you go, Verfags.

In other news, current state of glorious LN.

Nice centralization :)

Do you really think it should be a mesh? It should look like the middle one.

Pro establishment cucks getting worried about BCH again. Oh by the way Visa debit card :D
BITCHES!

Right, big block centralization is their centralization so it's bad, but hub centralization is (((OUR))) centralization so it's all good :)

Except that is a complete lie fucker.
You got nothing, explain to me how Moore's law dont exist you fucking liar. Nobody should listen to you fucking morons about anything.

Is Moore's Law suddenly not a thing? FUCKER explain how its not a thing. Explain how Moore's law never existed. Explain your fucking alternate time line for everything in technology fucker. Come on I want to hear it.

Right, because subhuman subsaharans absolutely need to run a small block node on his raspberry pi bought on aliexpress or zte chink phone but venezuelans need to pay a month of salary just to do one tx.

Boom haha
Lightning network completely fucks those people even harder. Those nodes will be super expensive to maintain and they wont be profitable!

However Moore's law means better technology keeps getting cheaper every year making it possible to mine blocks more efficiently every year.

As far as I am concerned this is checkmate for you guys. One solution is obviously better AND simpler. This must be very hard for you to deal with.

I mean seriously why does it even matter if some dude can mine with a raspberry pi to mine if its all getting funneled through a super expensive centralized lighting node?

Its like you only think about half of the fucking argument.

Comp sci dude here. Listen faggot, you don't lose control of your coins in LN even if there would be only one giant blockstream hub. The LN can't fake transactions and it can't take away your coins.

Miners with more than 50% hash power can double spend so they can create coins out of nothing. This is the difference. Lets say there are a few miners who have more than 50% hashpower (this already happend on bch a few times), if 2 of them decide to double spend everyone is fucked. Big blocks lead to expensive nodes, expensive networking costs and centralized mining and this raises the probability of double spend attacks.

Thats why big block centralisation is bad.

Think all exchanges running LN node interconnected. I think that's going to be really profitable desu.

YAY I can mine with my raspberry pi! Now lets commence to funnel all transactions through a multi thousand dollar difficult to maintain lightning network node that provides zero incentive to maintain.

Only corporations and banks will be running these things. WHY DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?

because he's a massive faggot

Yeah, let's just piss away all the investments I sank into my miners to reach 50% hash power, by undermining the coin! Totally rational thought process. 10/10/

compsci dude reporting in as well, sup

Because I'm right about the nodes and you are pretending you dont see my point. Those nodes will be run by banks and corporations only.

AND THEY WILL HAVE BLACK LISTS AND THE WILL BE SPYING ON TRAFFIC AND THEY WILL HAVE FAST LANES.

Your guys are so fucking fucked on this topic. You think that you wont lose control of your coins! HAHAHA

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU!!

Lightning network FUCKS YOUR COINS. You wont have control anymore.

Seriously, this is the most obvious thing ever. Why else would they be doing this when the block size fixes the problem just fine?

Why? ASK YOURSELF WHY?

Because they want control and funneling all transactions through lightning network is that control.

Yeah I actually have a CS degree from UT so let's get technical bitches.

How do you solve the traveling salesman problem for the network which is NP hard and has went unsolved despite the brightest minds in the world trying to figure it out?

And to follow up, do you really think the graph is going to end up being anything other than giant clusters of super nodes with millions of connections aka centralization?

Seems like you are dreaming up some kind of network topology that fits your narrative.

You belong to the faggotry to which your family has been bound.

It doesn't matter what the topography of the network is for the traveling salesman problem. Either everyone knows everyone else on the graph so you can guarantee point A to point B or you traverse the graph in real time.

comp sci dude, you are an idiot. read some basic economics. you have no concept of centralization. you also don't understand sidechains, fee markets, or that node count don't matter at all compared to dedicated miners, aka, the ones buying electricity to do that actual work. also expensive nodes cost less and less as tech improves, and they dont cost much to begin with. even if it took 5k to run a full node, who cares? to maintain a 500 billion dollar market, that is literally no cost at all.

Yes it's going to be hub and spoke for sure. "Centralization" doesn't matter at L2. It's going to be exchanges, big merchants and services like bitrefill running clusters of nodes.They are going to be interconnected, and I'll just connect my node to many of these hubs.

I think the topology is not a problem at all considering there's nothing they can do to my coins.

The bigger problem is going to be the fact that I have to spread my coins in different channels, so how do I rebalance my channels within LN (instead of dropping back on chain and consolidating). They probably have a solution for that but I'm not sure.

Explain to me how to stop congestion from freezing up your coins past their CheckSequenceVerify time which would effectively make you lose all your coins in the Lightning channel. With Segwit's version of Lightning you have hundreds of times more transactions off-chain than on chain meaning if only a small fraction try to clear at one time you lose literally everything.

Also if you are actually a computer science guy you would know about blockchain sharding. Its years out, but once finished blocks can be 1 terabyte and you would still be able to run a node and validate transactions on a raspberry pi. Big blocks don't matter once blockchain sharding is finished, but the Lightning Network has no answer to transaction congestion and there is no answer that can be created.

Its extraordinarily logical that a super huge node that is designed to handle that many transactions at once is going to be expensive to maintain. And the nodes will be possible to modify to allow for "features" down the line.

If you don't see this argument you are in denial. This is the epitome of denial. You are a helpless at this point to have a sound counter argument.

Other than "We need to really trust the establishment guys. They have our best interests in mind."

This is madness. You are fucking deranged.

So if the only way to realistically use LN is to connect to these giant hubs that need to maintain 100% uptime and never be brought down by hackers, government etc, you think that isn't the core centralization problem? Btw if they cancel your connection you have to pay a blockchain fee to close and then another to reopen with a new node, wont that be fun.

They will make an assload of money from fees. It will pay for the node.

I agree, this is the bigger issue to me. Uptime and cancelling connections suck if the fee situation doesn't improve.

>I think the topology is not a problem at all considering there's nothing they can do to my coins.

They can blacklist your wallet. Especially if the IRS needs to audit you. Or if you are under investigation for some reason. They will perfectly well be able to freeze your assets.

Freeze my assets how...

They don't have control. At anytime you can drop on chain.

Here is the perfect example of why LN will fail.

We know they will keep the block limits small and expensive to force you onto LN. Okay fine.

So everyone has their LN running and transacting cheaply and everyone is happy.

Then some bad news happens, some kind of economic disaster like in 2008 and on the same day many people want to close their LN nodes and withdraw their Bitcoin. This happens in mass but there is only so much room on the blockchain. Uh oh the transaction to close your LN connection is going to take 3 weeks unless you pay a $10,000 fee for the limited blockspace. Uh oh your bitcoins are stuck in the mempool and the price is tanking... 3 weeks have went by and your transaction falls out the mempool. There go your bitcoins.

You act like as if routing is a new problem. It's solved since ages. Shure the implementation is centralized but you can use TOR nodes.

This kind of centralisation isn't bad you don't lose control of your funds at any time.

fuck you

>Explain to me how to stop congestion from freezing up your coins past their CheckSequenceVerify time which would effectively make you lose all your coins in the Lightning channel. With Segwit's version of Lightning you have hundreds of times more transactions off-chain than on chain meaning if only a small fraction try to clear at one time you lose literally everything.

I don't get your point.

>Also if you are actually a computer science guy you would know about blockchain sharding. Its years out, but once finished blocks can be 1 terabyte and you would still be able to run a node and validate transactions on a raspberry pi. Big blocks don't matter once blockchain sharding is finished, but the Lightning Network has no answer to transaction congestion and there is no answer that can be created.

A miner starts mining on a block that's broadcastet on the net, after he recieves the block he starts mining. Miners with a slower internet connection have a disadvantage because they need longer to download the block to start mining. If the blocks become 5GB people living where a bad internet connection exists can't mine, also when the goverments make bitcoins illegal you might want to mine behind a tor node wich is even slower.

So imagine roger and jihan decide to have 5GB blocks and a direct fibreglass connection to each other. Or they create a network of miners, all connected to fibreglass. Every other person that wants to mine will have a huge disadvantage.

>Freeze my assets how...

You wont be allow to open a channel using wallets that are associated with your identity anymore. The nodes need to know what your wallet is. And the IRS / FBI / NSA know how to get info on you to figure out every wallet you have touched.

You may even find out that a innocent people's wallets can be frozen "just in case" for simply interacting with someone.

This architecture is IDEAL for this kind of functionality. This isn't even FUD its just fucking true.

Core cucks are getting desperate.

Please address how this scenario isn't a major problem waiting to happen.

Lightning network nodes will be thousands of dollars to run. And I bet you within a year you will need some kind of permission to run one anyway. It will be for your "safety"

LOL

The last couple days have produced some pretty sweet looking charts. Anyone else into chart porn?

Literally Bagholder - The Coin

Fuck I thought I was making a new post. Disregard.

Same thing can happen on-chain no?

>fuck you

is that the best you got?

I don't respond to trolls starting their sentence with "you are an idiot".

you must be afraid, i understand. i responded to someone who started their sentence with:

>Comp sci dude here. Listen faggots

because im not afraid

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No because the ingenious of the system that Satoshi designed is that nobody really has control over mining. You can potentially end up in situations where mining happens in specific cases but the functionality for mining is a really amazing distributed network that is incentive

The incentives and the reliance on Moore's law is the bread and butter of the amazingly eloquent crypto currency concept. The entire thing is completely self reliant and everyone who participates has something to gain at every step.

On chain is insanely intelligent at almost every aspect.

The lightning network is a crude fucked system with no incentives at certain points other than to control all transactions. Its like a fucking alien face huger fucking shit up on an otherwise function and beautiful thing.

Honestly if you guys want to be pro lightning network then your arguments need to change. You should be arguing that regulation is better for mass adoption. You should argue that maybe we need ways to prevent some people from having access to their coins. Maybe Bitcoin Cash is a threat to the establishment.

Those are sound arguments for lightning network.

the trouble with core, is that its full of core-shills. perhaps the time has come to re-institute an old custom.

>If the blocks become 5GB people living where a bad internet connection exists can't mine

If people live in a place where there's bad internet connection (i.e., Third World country), they probably won't be able to afford mining hardware anyway. It's not even profitable for the average person to mine bitcoin.

Not only that but by the time we have 5gb blocks chances are the hardware to mine that will be dirt cheap. Gotta keep stressing the fact that block size increases in accordance with Moore's law.

I'm surprised to say your wolololo is affecting the pigment in my clothes.