Wouldn't fighter jets make these things obsolete?

>upper cannon
>lower cannon

Wouldn't space marines make fighter jets obsolete?

Jet fuel can't melt steel armor.

>Wouldn't fighter jets make these things obsolete?

Wouldn't waifus make these things obsolete?

Fighter jets are worthless at everything except fighting other aircraft. The only reason they exist is to fight/assist bombers.

Well you could just drop something laser guided on him. That's not the real issue though.

Unless you get cheeky and use something like a hang glider it's just about impossible to air strike a human target without spending millions of dollars.

Probably, but that's missing the point.

That's not how war works.

One black library had Shadowsun surfing fighter jets while some White Scars guy was physically tossing other fighter jets at her.

I think it's safe to say the spess mareen wins.

Jets can't operate in urban sprawls or hive cities if you're thinking in 40K terms.

Jets can't operate IN SPESS

Spess muhreens, as the name suggests, can.

Power armor is basically just a humanoid robot wrapped around a human. If you've got the technology to build a suit of power armor, you might as well just build the humanoid robot, avoid the massive engineering hurdle + dead weight of trying to cram a human inside it and just teleoperate it from inside an armored vehicle/200km away in an air-conditioned tent.

Humans will be replaced on the battlefield before space marine style power armor is feasible. It just doesn't make for very engaging scifi battles, same way all modern war films are about top tier special forces getting into gunfights rather than drone operators launching hellfires over a mug of joe, despite the latter being significantly more lethal and cost effective than the former.

So Advance Wars was not lying to me?

That's just the thing though, effective power armor would make the soldier a big enough target for fighter jets.

Even if it isn't much larger, the power armored soldier is going to be heavier, noisier, and a larger heat source.

well, I mean, the classic WW2 era single role fighter jet, yeah. modern jets? fuck no, they're all fighter bomber attack aircraft with SAMs and AAMs and a light load of regular bombs and sometimes rocket pods ON TOP of the autocannon that's built into the plane itself. The only thing most modern fighters are NOT good for to at least some degree is sustained dropping of large payloads of high-yield bombs, which is the ONLY reason we still have dedicated bomber aircraft.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_boarding

It will either make them mad or kill them, so you have to weigh your options there.

>avoid the massive engineering hurdle + dead weight of trying to cram a human inside it
nigger what the fuck

Powered armour is MASSIVELY easier to make than a humanoid robot from an engineering standpoint.

also you don't have to program the robot to think like a person, which would be a huge hurdle.

>just teleoperate it from inside an armored vehicle/200km away in an air-conditioned tent.
Wouldn't this make your killer robots incredibly vulnerable to jamming? As soon as they can figure out how to interrupt that signal (which wouldn't be hard at all) they'll be able to knock out whole armies with relative ease.

even a tank is hard to destroy with fighter jets alone, so a smaller target capable of taking cover would be even harder to hit and thus more useful

Fighter Jets are fast. Really fast. They fly, and they shoot, and its hard to shoot them nowadays because they're so fast, that they already moved past the bullet or dodged it. They can even dodge missiles or bullets by dodging, because they're that fast.

Thats why pic related exists. Light goes fast. Really, really, REALLY fast. Faster than jets. And this light is REALLY pissed off. Like, super pissed off.

So, put it this way: Your a flithy, shit eating heretic, flying your way through the air, in your heretical, shit eating jet. Your smug, because your a heretic, you shit eater, and because your flying in a fancy, heretical jet, at the speed of sound. Then you die. Fucking heretic.

Why? Because below you, Lt. Hassad of the Durka Durka Sand-Nigger Space Marine chapter just pointed a Lascannon at you, and pulled the trigger.

Jets dont mean shit when you have LITTERAL LASER cannons that are capable of being held by a single dude.

GG no re

>Retards who don't understand combined arms
First let me just start off by saying drones are just planes without people in them, anything a drone can do a piloted plane can do too, they don't revolutionize anything (not really related to the topic but too many people seem to think drones somehow revolutionize warfare). Now onto the topic, the short answer to your question is no, the long answer is this.

Modern warfare and really most warfare since forever has involved some form of combined arms. A military doesn't just spam one unit and nothing else, Nazi Germany may have been known for their tanks, but they still used infantry, artillery, and aircraft, the English may have been known for their longbowmen but they still used conventional infantry who weren't archers as well as cavalry. In order for a military to fight effectively they need to be able to do three things, locate the enemy, engage the enemy, and secure ground from the enemy. Nothing in warfare can do all those tasks effectively. Infantry can secure locations, be put on guard duty, and assault buildings but they are actually pretty shit at engaging the enemy as they lack the heavy equipment provided by tanks, artillery, and aircraft. Likewise a bomber can kill ground forces fairly well but it can't stand on a city block for 8 hours straight or kick down the door to a building and drag someone out.

If you tried to counter astartes with just aircraft they would just go indoors, move at night, hide in dense foliage, and overall just avoid being seen. It really isn't that hard for military personnel to avoid detection by aircraft if they are actively trying to and know what they are doing. The whole reason bombing Libya or ISIS actually does something is because there are/were insurgents on the ground engaging the people we were/are bombing, driving them out of buildings, telling us where they are, and reporting on the effectiveness of our actions.

And imagine how weather conditions might affect the electronics, or the signal between them.

And probably the stupidest part - you have to transport these humanoid robots, and the humans who pilot them. So you have to carry around twice as much stuff for the same amount of firepower and soldiers as you would get with actual humans - and even then, it would be far harder for a guy behind a screen to react to something as compared to somebody actually there.

You aren't funny.

>You can shell it, bomb it, nuke it, and do whatever else you want to it
>But until we walk on it, it isn't ours.

In the grim darkness of the future, you don't need stealth. Or lore that makes sense. Or a good premise.

>your
Opinion discarded.

>Jets make walking tanks obsolete
The next time a fighter jet can walk into a building and clear without destroying it, let me know, because that would be fucking radical.

would you rather try and tank a 500lb bomb with your manly kevlar vest or an inch of steel and ceramic armor?

Or go inside a spaceship/bunkers etc really. Access is key, big bombs are for battlefields, useless everywhere else. Well unless all you want is to blow up terrain.

Robots are really expensive while humans cost next to nothing though.

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Why. 40k is stupid. Intentionally so. Are you lindysperg?

They send in fighter craft to bomb all the time, usually the more dangerous missions so they can get out quickly or evade suspected AA hardware. F-18s bomb a lot.

If you take out all of the medieval heraldry shit and PAULDRONS, space marine armor is pretty practical. Covers your whole body nicely and allows you to fight on any environment for days on end.

Can you send a fighter jet into the tightly packed corridors of a space hulk? No? I didn't think so.

>Analogies are fact

>the power armored soldier is going to be heavier, noisier, and a larger heat source.
Power armor has no thermal signature courtesy of ceramite, and is incredibly quiet.

youtu.be/hn1VxaMEjRU

What does this have to do with anything.

>If the goal was simply "Kill all the thing"

You wouldn't even bother with that. Orbital bombardment, or sending in drones

You can argue about a bit of the stuff presented in those quotes, because other books will portray things differently. For instance, the part about the bolt pistol only has 'surely too heavy for any normal man to fire,' where in the Purging of Kallidus novel, a PDF trooper - a conscript, in fact, not a trained soldier - is able to handle a bolt pistol, even if he has to use it like an awkward carbine.

Imperium doesn't allow AI and the robot could be jammed like instantly if it was remote operated.

>Orbital bombardment,
We want to keep the area, not burn it thank you
>or sending in drones
>Heresy.jpg

I chuckled.

I didn't know fighter jets could crawl through tight corridors of space hulks and hive cities.
>The moar you know

>Wouldn't waifus make these things obsolete?
But user, that's why they need feminism

What kind of bolt pistol? There are different models.