Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

But they are free of the dumvass constraints if wows bad writting, ex. Mean Streets of Gadgetzan

Agreed. Hopefully Kosak and Metzen leaving will change WoW story for the better

I dont really think its salvageable at this point.

they have to deal with the Fel Cartel and the illegal ancient mana trade all the while trying not to bump into the Order of the Silver Hand/Feds

>Return to Azeroth after fucking off to argus
>Oh no! Old gods!!1
>Go to Ulduar
>Fucking bolvar is draining yogg'saron dry, leaving him in a fate worse than death
>There is ebon blade knights in every city acting as policemen

C'mon blizz, go full meme.

>Bolvar dindu nuffin, he a good cop
I wish scourgefags would stop memeing up the place. They're like people who unironically fanboy for space marines in 40k.

t. buttblasted "Lady" Liadrin.

I'm glad you visited the Warcraft story thread to tell us the Warcraft story is beyond saving.

>Ebon Blade knights arguing over jurisdiction with the Silver Hand, Kor'kron and SI:7
I want this

>wow.gamepedia.com/Dor'Danil_Barrow_Den
>Quest: Insane Druids
>Added in patch 4.0.3.13277
So, not from Vanilla. Thanks for proving my point.

>krokon EBPD silver hand SI7 and shado pan get into fights over who gets to detain who
>bad guys keep getting away

>They could easily resurrect Kel'thuzad, since he's a fucking lich and he probably had a phylactery or something.
Yes, he had a phylactery. You could loot it from him in Classic Naxx, which you then delivered to Father Inigo Montoy, atLight's Hope Chapel.

Later the man who likely used to be Father Inigo Montoy was a Scourge aligned Lich in Northrend, and based Kel'Thuzad returned with Naxx to Northrend, where his phylactery was no longer part of his loot.

>illegal ancient mana trade
Ancient Mana is old news, my friend. It's all about Kabal-produced Red Mana Crystals those days.
Join Kabal now, and enjoy drinking this PERFECTLY SAFE Kaza-kola and having a nice tattoo, made by Inkmaster Solia herself!

Tell me about Solia, why does she mutate?

>The mysterious leader of the Kabal is NOT a dragon, and does NOT deal in illegal potions. Any public statements to the contrary will be met with litigation and Dragonfire Potions.

Dunno, but she's clever enough to achieve this:
>Inkmaster Solia had to figure out how to tatoo feathers.

>Gadgetzan Writer’s Award goes to the player who writes the most compelling fanfic about why this Arrakoa has a golden frog in his hand!
I wonder how many fanfics were written after people have seen this card description.

>Spicklefizz pondered his life choices as he looked at the chain around his neck. "Become a warlock," they said. "You get to enslave demons," they said.
>Don't be fooled by the gnome at the front of the card: Krul is not the name of the warlock, but of its former servant, turned master. This mighty demon has enslaved the warlock that once commanded it, and now uses the magical chains of the Kabal to bind the gnome to its service, in cruel mockery of its former servitude.

>"Could you do me a favor and get the keys from Kazakus?"
Summon
>Surrender your will to the Kabal.
Attack
>I will bind you.
>Raza the Chained is an ethereal that is unique to Hearthstone. Rather than using cloth wrappings to keep his shapeless energy form bound in a humanoid shape, Raza is made out of the enchanted chains normally used by the Kabal to stabilize their volatile potions

>She ships illicit mana crystals around the world in packages marked: FUNNEL CAKE.
Summon
>Careful, they bite.
Attack
>Warned you.

>dat Ebon Blade vs Silver Hand large conflicts hints
>no Warlocks vs Illidari

>Get the ingredients wrong on ONE healing potion and they take your license. What a world!
Summon
>'Join the Kabal', they said. Hmph!
Attack
>Want a drink? *cackles*
>Unlicensed Apothecary is an Imp who has joined the Kabal. Judging by his flavour text and trigger animation, it seems that he brews faulty healing potions to throw at your hero, causing you to take damage.

>Sure you could have that Polymorph potion, but wouldn't you rather have this mystery potion? It could be anything. Even a Polymorph potion!

>Hey, you park your kodo under a harpy nest, you get what you deserve.
Summon
>Crystals! Fresh from Kazakus!

Kabal has all the best waifus.
>"Listen, I can cut you in on a little of this premium mana, but you can't tell my boss."
Summon
>I'm late, I'm late!
Attack
>Quickly!

>Aya even staged an intervention once, but Shaku still insists that he is not a hoarder.

>Jade Lotus has a Sha in their employment

Warlocks will be busy burning worlds with our new demon bros. The Black Harvest has no time for Azerothian plebs these days.

Why would they fight?
To see how is the bigger cuck for fel?

>Why would they fight?
For some deamonic stuff.

>Wickerflame spent years as a recruit for the Goons, never making the big-time because he always fired his chest-cannon too slowly. "Hey," he thought, "maybe if I keep my beard lit on fire, I can do this faster." BOOM, promoted.
>Wickerflame is unique to Hearthstone. He is a dwarven member of the Grimy Goons who has built a cannon into his chest armor, and for the sake of efficiency he doesn't use his hands to light the cannon's fuse; instead, he simply keeps his beard on fire. He is "not insane at all, just efficient".

>Paladin cards consists of smugglers, people who force payment, corrupt cops, and insane dwarf

>The Kabal appear to be behind the corrupted "red mana" that has been turning up in Gadgetzan lately. The Kabal use the mana not only in their potions but as a source of power, with many having the mana tattooed into their skin for use at a moment's notice. However, this corrupted mana has a price, as seen in the unnaturally contorted tusks of the Kabal's leader Kazakus.
>The Kabal use a variety of external power sources to fuel their magic, from their home-brewed potions to magical tomes and scrolls. The mana used by the Kabal is both highly powerful and dangerously unstable, and for this reason even their flasks are wrapped in magical chains, to contain the power inside. Without proper control, some of the Kabal's creations might even be capable of levelling Gadgetzan. The Kabal also dabble in portal magic, most notably seen in the portal in Kazakus' midriff, rumoured to lead to another dimension.

I think that description for Red Mana explains Solia's mutations.

Is that a Forsaken with elbows and knees? Must be a traveler from the Chinese client.

>new paladin mount just another horse in plate

Probably.
Or the Red Mana is just that good.

>EBPD
>When Sergeant Sally shows up unexpectedly, DO NOT FLUSH YOUR MANA CRYSTALS DOWN THE TOILET.

>"Hmmmm… Call it a hunch, but I'm starting to think that there may be some kind of criminal activity going on in Gadgetzan."

>She's working on a story! While skydiving!

>This card's art was first seen in the Gadgetzan Gazette depicting "Chief Investigative Reporter" Dora R, the writer of all the paper's lead articles. Both "Dora R" and "Daring Reporter" also share the initials D.R.

>Hook-tails are nice and all but she keeps getting stuck on things.

>now with Hearthstone Blizzard will sink Warcraft lore with shitty meme-fillers

Unless a DH can kill a warlock faster than they can cast enslave demon, it isn't really a contest

And this is different from WoW-era lore additions how?

And yet, somehow, Gadgetzan still has better lore than Legion

No spirit of adventures, exploring and mysteries like in early WoW.

This is the best card art. If only panda's weren't fat fucks in the game.

Because Legion have terrible questing and because now Azeroth is totally empty, eveyrone already showed up and was killed.

>pandas
>best card art
kys

As a paladin main I'm incredibly disappointed. Good thing I also have a shaman.

But at least Legion have only "lol Illidan was actually messiah and didn't do NOTHING worng", not shit like

>Implying that Investigators and Reporters in a city like Gadgetzan is shit lore
It's like you are too stupid to comprehend it.

>The brilliant mastermind of the Grimy Goons, Han sometimes thinks about ditching the idiot Cho, but that would just tear him apart.

Oh, it is true, i have thought about becoming the guardian every day, even now i desire it.

>the shaman mount is an air elemental in enhance, a fire elemental in ele, and a water elemental in resto
if the DK dragon doesn't switch colours between specs I'll be slightly annoyed but still use it over any other mount

nothing could possibly worse than Cata Westfall and RRM. At least Hearthstone memes are fun

>>Implying that Investigators and Reporters in a city like Gadgetzan is shit lore
Well yeah, sorry amerifat but all your "muh 30s mafia" looks retarted.

draenei space nazis

God damn it why do they keep attaching storm to enhance and fire to ele instead of the other way around

Only one faction is 30s mafia, and organized crime should exist in every setting

Thal'kiel did nothing wrong

I want to imagine the Hearthstone Gadgetzen during the Legion Invasion pre-patch.

Goons, Jade Lotus, and the Kabal forced into a truce just to they can band together and repel the Burning Legion from their city and all of Tanaris.

>the same people who deride the watering down of night elves and call the Horde dindus will turn around and drool over mafia ogres and gumshoe nelves, and pretend the Scourge are cops
I don't get you guys, I really really don't.

But WoW has always had organized crime. It just also used to have something called subtlety.

>"the dreadlord got away with the gold close to a million"
>"gold?"
>"gold"
>"their gold?"
>"our gold"

>Warcraft had subtlety

You fucking lie, Warcraft has always been on the nose about everything

ebon blade is the best thing about legion

>Well yeah, sorry amerifat but all your "muh 30s mafia" looks retarted.
You don't have to be amerifat to appreciate good kind of fun.

>>the same people who deride the watering down of night elves and call the Horde dindus will turn around and drool over mafia ogres and gumshoe nelves, and pretend the Scourge are cops
>I don't get you guys, I really really don't.
I never called Horde "dindus", but what happened to Night Elves under Kosak is just sad in how pathetic they are.

Because the HS lore doesn't take itself seriously and try to be epic, then fall flat on its face due to bad writing. It's an intentionally silly take on the setting. Compare WHFB and Bloodbowl. Both are essentially the same setting, but other is serious grimdark fantasy, and the other is the same world but with modern-ish level society (with magic doing the function of most technology) where conflicts are resolved with American football.

Am I the only one who thinks Legion is doing pretty 'meh'?

MSoG is somewhat interesting. I know, it's an overused trope, but seeing it into Warcraft is new and cool.

Also,
>Warcraft
>subtlety
No such thing.

I think that the fact it follows WoD does wonders about how people feel about it.
I myself am still angry they killed Vol'jin.

And yet I'd still rather use Hearthstone lore over WoW lore for a campaign setting

Msog?

It's better than WoD, but then again, if the plot of this expansion was "and then nothing happened for four years and everyone just did their taxes and caught up with their favourite book series" it would still be better than WoD

But really, as much as I like Warcraft, I really don't think it's possible to salvage the main storyline anymore, too much has been irrevocably fucked up, better to scrap it and start again from either the end of WotLK, or any other point in the lore before that

Personally I would retcon everything that has happened after TFT.

Personally, I'd retcon everything that happened after Vanilla WoW, but I believe the lore wasn't irreversibly ruined until Cataclysm, so the end of WotLK is the last possible point where the lore was still workable instead of trash

Mean Streets of Gadgetzan

>Compare WHFB and Bloodbowl
Yeah, but BloodBowlalways was different from WHFB setting.

The legion will cringe before the fury i will unleash.

>>Warcraft
>>subtlety
>No such thing.
BC-baby, pls.

I don't believe Warcraft at any point has contained intentionally subtle plot, theming or characterization

I consider things like Tyrande's poor leadership, Thrall's blind hero worship, and there being an entirely justifiable reason why Tauren would fight against night elves to be unintentional subtleties. Things never intended by writers that came to be anyway

Nagrand in TBC; it's the only part of Draenor that isn't subject to ill effects, and it serves to emphasise how depleted the orcs are. There's a dozen narrative threads throughout the zone.

>entirely justifiable reason why Tauren would fight against night elves
Why?

Think about what had happened to the Tauren prior to the events of WC3, they had been hounded and driven to near-extinction in the Barrens and Mulgore by quilboar and centaur, fighting a losing battle for their lives that only ended with help from the orcs.

Then they find out there's a group of people who are similar to the tauren in terms of their views of nature, living in the forests to the north. People with significant military power and access to powerful magics, people who had all that strength and did nothing to help the tauren

Makes sense that there would be resentment there, from the tauren point of view, the night elves were effectively leaving the tauren to die for no good reason

It's ok at best on it's own. When compared with WoD it's pretty good but I guess that's cheating. The last expansion I genuinely enjoyed was MoP. It may have had fluffy pandas but exploring Pandaria was pretty entertaining. At least until Garrosh shows up and it goes to shit with the faction conflict.

Counterpoint: The Onyxia/Defias storyline.

Hm... makes me think.
I always thought Nelfs and Tauren would make great allies. They can't still be pissed about Grom cutting their trees. Not after the ending of WC3. Could be because they're isolationist, but then again, making them allied with the humans (Stormwind) in WoW was strange.

>I always thought Nelfs and Tauren would make great allies.
the night elves always thought of the tauren more like pets than allies. the tauren didn't have the population or cultural force to be political equals to the nelves, and it's the reason why worship of An'she was mostly snuffed out in the Kalimdor tauren after the War of the Ancients

I don't know if I like the zones being totally self-contained stories you can do in any order. If there was one thing that was good or even great about wod, it was the leveling process, and the way the story threaded through all of Draenor in a fluid and natural fashion until you got some choice in the second half only for that choice to dovetail back toward the climax in Nagrand was just all awesome.

Legions strength in terms of story is more half and half, because for every great zone or order hall campaign theres one that's mediocre to bad. Wods issue was that once the leveling was done everything waiting at the end blew.

Anyone here ever role play on World of Warcraft?

the subtlely came from fans misinterpreting everything.

Pretending to suck some female Draenei's giant futa cock doesn't count as roleplaying.

>the Army of the Light is comprised of hundreds of races that chose to stand against the Legion rather than join them or be destroyed
>the Apexis were devout worshipers of the Light (via Rukhmar and the sun) who mysteriously disappeared despite having technology unseen by any races but the eredar at the height of their power
can't wait to annihilate demons with birdbros desu