Horus Heresy General /hhg/

All 1 out of 1 models above your post?

The photography, mostly. Guys, stop using white backgrounds. Your camera darkens the shot to compensate. Use a neutral gray... or use exposure compensation to take a brighter photo.

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Do they get a max of 24 shots then? 12 from each? Or just 12 total? Their rules points to gunslinger allowing the moritat to shoot twice, so I'm assuming 24.

I suspected as much. The photo is always much darker even though I'm right under the lamp.

I'll try the neutral background next time

'to a mximum of twelve total from both pistols combined'
-> It's in their entry under Chain Fire.

What Destroyers could have been

My theory was that their armor was built like an iron maiden, piercing them all over their body and dripping their internal fluids out through the seams.

Well, we decided that this general had to be cunty and unhelpful right from the off, and there's no better way to get that first supercilious post than for someone to post a model.

I sort of like my idea better given how it fits with Chaos and all. Pic is unrelated. Just a picture of a bunch of geese I took.

So /hhg/, what are some interesting legion/unit synergies you're using? I'm using a double Serpenta UM moritat to great effect. Rerolling wound rolls of 1, and then further rerolling wound rolls of 1 caused by "deflagrate" is working really nicely,

huh so that's what australia looks like

My phone is an Aussie not me.

Was yours the mucranoid breakdown? Because that one's good too.

Mine was the "ugliness within coming out".

>Geese
Obligatory screencap

v2 of testing out template with fun rules

I love this story.

Oooh, I like that.

I was playing with the idea of ppaying some traitorous Ultras with a focus on being red helmeted outcasts, potentially from the Nemesis chapter as they had a lot of Destroyer squads.

Would anyone help me with background fluff?

I am thinking about being left behind enemy lines for very long, until they snap and turn themselves in to switch sides as to not die.

In the end they felt thrown away and thouht that it does not matter for whom they fight, with a chip on their shoulders (Outcast Sons RoW).

Yay or nay?

I like it and your lore write up, but werent the deliverers also the guys who fought with corax on that prison moon?

dont destroyers have hardened armour as standard?

Sounds good. There were plenty of isolated fleets and battlegroups across the galaxy for every legion. No reason the Ultramarines would be exempt from this.

Sounds like a solid start. Were they away from Calth? Tempest mentions that any Ultramarine forces not in Ultramar during the BaC were treated coldly and distantly by those who fought off the Word Bearer fleet because they didn't witness the devastation and pain firsthand. Maybe work that in, if you like that?

Thanks. I copy-pasted the write up on them from HH3. I cut out a few parts to fit it.

I think you're thinking of the original Mor Deythans.

No they have power armor, that one is photoshop'd. I only changed some options and prices.

Who were they fighting? Was it xenos? Perhaps a traitor force were the only ones within range.

I laugh like crazy every time I read that

Hmm, if the Ultras were grumpy with people who didnt attend Calth it might be a good idea to just have them be late due to warp shenanigans or somesuch.

I do not know if they sent red helmets out on penal crusades, but I like the idea they were sent to do some gruelling stuff to "build character", maybe under supervision of a chaplain attached to them.

I would imagine that they would have been not greeted very warmly, being fucking sore excuses of Ultramarines AND being late.

I do not really read BL, so how does the whole red helmeting happen? Does it happen to whole companies?

Might be that a detachment of the Nemesis Chapter with its Destroyers and Leviathans purged Citizens during a nasty Xenos/Enslaver infestation and it was deemed a "war crime" that they decided to go the Marines Malvolent route and just kill everything to be sure and more efficient as well.
Enslavers/Wierd Xenos might also be not understood by the HQ, so they might nave actually done the right thing but the "correct" way would have killed the Outcasts.

TLDR They did a callous thing in purging infested populace by making a correct guess, thinking just killing everyone was better than taking the risk of the Infestation biting everyone in the ass and they got court martialed for it.

How they join traitors later is easier to write up.

I don't think there's any mention of how common the practice of red helms was, just that it was a punishment for censure. I'd vote for you to do it; it'd look cool

The red helmet thing started off with only one guy, who was figuring out the best method for fighting other astartes

He got his helmet painted red as a mar of dishonour, which was ironically not long before calth happened.

He ended up rallying loads of ultramarines to fight back, and sergeants under him started painting their helmets red as well

Hence the whole red helmeted sergeants thing was born.

Thanks, I got inspired by talks some time back in the /hhg/.

Aw man, so is probably not very widespread?

But I guess I can take some artisitc license in some guy wanting to imitate big Gilly and stamp on my guys. After all it sounds and looks really cool.

What direct effect had this "dishonouring"?
Was it an official censure keyed to loss of rank, or just shaming?

it's as widespread as you want it to be

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I haven't read the book (audiobook?) but I think it was like he was stripped of his rank as a commander and told to fuck off somewhere else.

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The Deliverers were the ones who fought alongside the Luna Wolves for the longest time, terran vets, whom used lots of terminator armour as Horus' doctrines indicate.

Hah, thanks.

The next big thing will be deciding on a neatly organised paint scheme.

I believe the standard being black breast plate and red helmets, changed according to specialisation (black for destroyers, white for apothecaries etc).

Time to dig into all the Ultra Lore I can get for more inspiration.

Thanks a lot for the help, guys.

Ah ok, thank you.

I guess they were often send in to brrak the last resistance and sort of his pet legion, right? Horus's that is?

>how does the whole red helmeting happen? Does it happen to whole companies?
It could be. The Red helmet stands for censure. If a whole company is considered to be censured, and we have precedent of the IW censuring a Grand Battalion's command for "lack of zeal", then they all would wear red helmets.

Aeonid Thiel wasn't the only one, rather it was because of his heroism that the Red helmet ended up becoming as a symbol of leadership rather than of dishonour.

Good to know, so my idea is pretty viable.

I also could portrsy them as Blackshields later in the Heresy story line when they might have lost most legion culture due to fighting for Horus so long.

Truly,the Horus Heresy is the historical wargaming branch of 40k.

So many options!

The ideal setup is a lamp above and another one at the same level as the mini at its 1:30 or 10:30 o'clock position.

Hydra Dominatus

Thought you might show up.

>Truly,the Horus Heresy is the historical wargaming branch of 40k.
I've never understood this meme. On the contrary, I see 30k as a time of legend where exaggeration (like 10 Heavy flamers in a squad) could happen, but big enough that everything happened, now forgotten in 40k.
I mean, 100 000 * 200 * 18 equals to 360 million years of individual astarte years of combat, so there's where to take from.

However, 40k is also your dudes. Both are your dudes, always forever a 100 years dot com.

And the Warhammer setting is the one where Skynet, Halo and Dead space all happened, where Event Horizon probably happens each week and Odyssey 2000 happens each third month, this shouldnt surprise you.

Canadian Goose Hydra? Interesting, haven't seen that logo on many Alpha Legionaries...

Hydra Honkinatus

I disagree, I find the scales in 30k make more sense, when it comes to astartes at least. Often in 40k novels the author will have to contrive some situation where the space marines' small numbers don't get them overwhelmed, like a convenient abandoned fortress in the middle of a desert or a city that's a series of domes so the marines always have a chockpoint to defend. The marine numbers in 30k don't require authors to perform these literary gymnastics, so it seems more natural for astartes to operate in legion numbers.

To me the difference is the shit ton of black books that help me being a dirty fluff-whore.

You just can't cram that many details and wuality writing into a codex.

I love how the FW lore feels in comparison.

For dexample, they have not yet written about a Legionaidy losing his hands in great duells.

>Looking at you, Codex Space Marines.

Uh,weird, I would have thought ifeal would be above and on both sides, with papers to have diffuse light

I'm always here, though most of the time I just read fluff discussion while painting my Emperor's Children

Honk Honk.

Any pictures yet, Goose-man?

Aside from the other ideas in here, I could see them going rogue after seeing daemons and daemoncraft at work and realizing the Imperial Truth was a lie. And they'd probably know about the red helmet being a mark of shame and do it out of spite or irony. However... red and blue aren't a great combo, imo. Think about it first.

I don't think they'd go traitor if they were directly attacked by the Word Bearers and World Eaters. But we know that some Word Bearers were obsessed with trying to turn their opponents (e.g. Kor Phaeron and Guilliman) and it fits them. So have them perform their tricks while your garrison is watching - maybe your dudes are near a spaceport, and they see the WB attack a black ship and rush to help. By the time they arrive, the WB are freeing the psykers who are very happy and make the WB look like good guys. A couple of your dudes were Librarians forced to pretend not to have powers, and they identify with those freed prisoners. A WB chaplain goes up to them and says, "Have you read the Book of Lorgar?" and the rest is history.

>multi-headed diregoose
>emperor's children
That wacky fabius.

>it seems more natural for astartes to operate in legion numbers.
Everything happened, must I remind you Corax himself led a force of about only 2000 marines, several of them Mor Deythan, against an alien colony ship in ZM, or that there are at least two instances I remember about Mortarion engaging in ZM. Or when about 30 Moritats killed everybody.
Everything happened
I didn't really understand your question, so have this pic instead.

I was thinking about joining the Heresy players at my local GW since it seems like fun, and I've decided I want to go Mechanicum.

Is there a set allegiance an army decided at building in this, or can I build/convert whatever and then decide loyalist/traitor at game time?

I'm kind of leaning towards Dark Mechanicum, but I would like to be able to feasibly play with the Loyalist allies as well, since the games tend to be a bit ad hoc.

How many Magi is it good to have in a list? I am probably going to have a fully tooled up Warlord, but would a couple cheap extra HQ techpriests be a good or bad idea? I kind of want to fluff out my "Officers" for my force.
Planning on starting with Legio Cybernetica, by the way.

Eh. I prefer UM in red trim myself.

No worries, thanks.

>You just can't cram that many details and wuality writing into a codex.
I love FW's books. Several of them are pretty much fluff with rules, like how Azrael gets "killed" in Vraks I think, and is accurately represented as having been wounded and removed as a non-fatal casualty.
>For dexample, they have not yet written about a Legionaidy losing his hands in great duells.
>>Looking at you, Codex Space Marines.
I did not understand this part either.

Show us your EC, goose.
It's been a while since I looked at Vrask fluff but how did the boss man get "killed"?

Hmm, I like your idea as well. Also the red and blue would be seperated by black, so it isnt that much of an issue.

My idea was that they just stranded behind enemy lines, probably makes more sense if they never arrived at calth after their censure and just had to fight traitors with no really trustworthy account of what the fuck is currently happening.

So, the ruinstorm and hit and run fightjng could have pushed them further sway from Ultramar into enemy territory where they finally met some Traitorous Shattered Legions, Blackshields or nice SoH and/or WB who were NOT immediatly firing at them and were more curious than hostile to that run-down strike cruiser appearing so far from Ultramar and the front.

Would be a nice idea how they got explained the whole thing as a HUGE misunderstanding and how the terran Bureaucrats want to purge the Legions lime they did the Thunderwarriors.

Spreading the good news of chaos is also a neat option.

Oh fuck, my typos are terrible.Tablets,man. Regarding hands, I was trying to jab at Marneus losing his hands to the Swarmlord as a lazy plot device to show how he lost in a grisly way without killing him off or taking him out of comission to long.

I think what he means is that the absolute slaughter that normally happens in a marines vs marines game in 40k doesn't really represent the fluff very well while the 85% attrition rate totally matches the story and tone of 30k.

Losing 100 marines in a single battle is a tragedy in 40k and par for the course in 30k.

>I've never understood this meme.
>However, 40k is also your dudes

40k is more Your Dudes than 30k.

In historical games you're constrained in how Your Dudes you can go. Yes, there were some nonstandard paint schemes during WWII, especially on the German side, but you're generally working from a limited palette. If you're invading Normandy then your tanks are pretty much guaranteed to be olive drab. Your tanks or infantry come from particular units and if you want to make up a regiment of your own, well, it's a bit weird.

30k could have been like that. To some extent it is - there are 18 legions, specific ones were present at specific battles, and you can't mess with that. Fortunately, FW loosened it up by explicitly stating that all the legions had members switching sides, going rogue, turning into Blackshields, etc. Blackshields are the Your Dudes of 30k, but there's also more freedom than I expected with color schemes within any particular legion.

>Is there a set allegiance an army decided at building in this, or can I build/convert whatever and then decide loyalist/traitor at game time?
Many have forgotten you can use Special Characters as count as for you dudes. I was just reading about the XIXth ZM Ironfiery-assault on Hell's Anvil and when they are mentioned as fighting against their lords, "millenia old amalgamations of flesh and metal" I thought "this is Raven Guard doing ZM against Inar Satarael with lots of Revenant Adsecularii, the same way Perturabo fought an almost identical enemy by the name 'Death Judges' in their lone lone Exemplary battle".
>How many Magi is it good to have in a list? I am probably going to have a fully tooled up Warlord, but would a couple cheap extra HQ techpriests be a good or bad idea? I kind of want to fluff out my "Officers" for my force.
I should remind you you have access to both very customizable Magi Prime, Cybernetica-exclusive Archmagos Dominus, both of whom can be either support or beatstick, and lesser Magos Dominus, whom are akin to librarians.
Cybernetica may also benefit from Techpriest covenants, elite choices that can have Cortex Controllers, Masters degree on Enginseering and upgrade to Magos Auxilia
Maybe they're the officer-overseers you're looking for?

I thought Big Daddy Calgar lost almost everything when Swarmie munched on him.

When it comes to color schemes, you could also pick any 2nd founding chapter and use their color scheme as the basis for the army. White Scars that are yellow? Yep. Ultramarines that are green? Yep.
Raven Guard that are white? Yep.

He list his everything, counts as "removed as a casualty", like Azrael or Angelos.
I think he lost in duel against Arkhos the Faithless, Chaos AL Praetor? I read that thing a long ago as well.

The scope of 30k feels much broader and therefore the limited freedom given by FW to do wierd stuff feels much more significant.

If everyone broods alone in a corner, no one does..to drag out old pen and paper memes.

Exactly, the amount of count as possibilities is amazing!

Just looking at the Cult Militia list nearly blew my mind.

Might be, I just leafed through that Codex as I turned away from 40k long time before that and just slide in currently due to the Heresy.

He lost his arms, legs, an eye, and a good portion of his body if I remember correctly

How did he lose the eye without losing most of his head?

Yeah, the lesser Magi look about perfect.
The fluff for My Dudes that I've been thinking of is that they're a Taghmata raiding fleet who cannot fit large enough forces to hold planets on their ships, and as they're explorers they don't particularly want to.
Instead, when they find some tasty archaotech or need to raid a world for supplies, they flash-clone a few thousand lobotomised chumps and land them on the surface, marching them into the enemy as outflanking battle-automata and Myrmidons take down any heavy weapons. They don't need to win, just hold for long enough to get what they want and leave.

OK, post yours or shut up.

In fact, everybody should post models, this thread needs some brightening up.

Who knows, tyranid acid blood could've burned half his face which then gets treatment and a new eye. Calgar is more machine than man, like Gabriel Angelos.

>White Scars that are yellow?
user, that's par for the course.
'Twas only a scratch!

I thought stuff like Badab happened like each year, with different protagonists of course. Also very few chapters are at full strenght and tragedies happen a lot; the Blood Ravens lost about half the chapter in a single campaign, and losing 1/10th in a single battle (aka 100 dudes with their accompanying vehicles) isn't that much of a big deal since they're taken from all the companies combined. So, each company loses a squad of ten. No biggie as I tell you.

Meanwhile, 30k armies sometimes bring their Primarchs alongside barely 60 other dudes.

We can accept the game is but a merely adequate translation of the fluff, as constrained by the D6 system as it can be, or that fluff is exaggerated as all warhammer is, but we can live with that and still have fun :)

I guess Swarmie is a lot more hardy than a mass of cultists.

This means that I was planning on a few groups of Adsecularis and some Magi to Support them, then automata.
Those Auxilia look perfect for division commander units, and the Adsex are cheap enough that throwing down 60 and 2 Auxilia Lacarymerta isn't really expensive at all.

Rest of the list is heavy artillery pieces like Thanatar robots, as well as heavy air cover, because orbital fleet.

Does this sound like a reasonable list at all?
Not sure about any 30k meta beyond "Moritats are bad" and "Phosphex is really good".

>Deathwatch horde rules.jpg

So all space marines turn into Iron Hands in the end?

Are those rules really like that?
Dante and Boss Man(Azrael) aren't.

>Are those rules really like that?
If you can somehow put enough damage behind a single attack, yes.
I don't think it's possible, even in I Can Load Two Basilisks Onto My Pauldrons And Run At 298 Km the system.

>I thought stuff like Badab happened like each year
Badab is (and was) considered the biggest biggest marine on marine fight since the horus heresy.

Multiple chapters going all out against each other just doesn't happen in 40k. Largely because, outside of fringe incidents, everyone is relatively cool with one another in the face of actual external threats.

>If you can somehow put enough damage behind a single attack, yes.
>I don't think it's possible, even in I Can Load Two Basilisks Onto My Pauldrons And Run At 298 Km the system
Well, if the cultists' lives are all connected then it might be possible.

>Run At 298 Km
That's some Han Solo shit right there.

Deathwatch is crazy from what I hear. Isn't it possible for a character's bone marrow to boil and explode or is that that Dark Heresy?

Losing 10% of your chapter every Thursday evening at 40k night isn't usually the 40k depiction of space marines.

In contrast that's exactly what happens in almost all Marine vs Marine (and mechanicum) fights in 30k fluff.

The fluff fits the tabletop experience a bit better I think. Just my opinion though

I posted the one on the left last week. These guys are just made out of scrap-bits I've had lying around for years, and I wanted to get some practice in before my Betrayal at Calth set gets in. It'll probably be a long time til I can actually play, but in the mean time I enjoy the hobby aspect. And til I can get some new paints as well, I'm content getting them to tabletop quality.

Why must beakie ECs be so damm sexy.

THICC

>MkV with trim on the shoulder pads

*posted the one in the center. Went with a different pic than I was originally thinking. This was about a week and a half ago, though the image came out a bit fuzzy

I like them, but I believe some people will call for thinned paints.
I have the same problem with being to impatient when they dry and clumping paint by moving half dried stuff around with my brush sometimes.
Agreed.

10/10 work, but maybe just maybe tone down the thickness by .5%.
>someone is using my edit
Thanks, user. Does my heart some good.

I love that edit, thanks for making it