Just had a nice lenghty discussion with an employee from my local GW

They're following the lead of Tesco, who recently turned their fortunes around by bribing employees with the offer of a 5% bonus, and actually delivered on it.

I don't hate GW. I'm not boycotting them because I don't like their policies.
I'm simply not buying their shit because I have a stack of boxes four feet high to assemble already, more to paint, and a load more to strip and repaint.

Thank you!

The dude I was speaking with is not a full time employee so he didnt get a fixed bonus, but rather something based on his performance, I'm guessing lower than the fixed one, but I still find this a very nice gesture.

It actually felt incredibly good to have a lengthy discussion with someone who felt positive about the future, instead of the usual whining from Veeky Forums.

Tell me about it.

It's terrible, my backlog just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

I've been away from gw since 6th edition, can someone summarise what happed lately?

>So the new good rules of every release apart from Deathwatch isn't some good efforts?
The rules are still shit.
>Or the excellent prices of the Startint boxes aren't an effort?
Yes, it's not effort sinc SC boxes are useless piece of shit, it's not even 500 points army, it's just FOC filler without Super-heavy, or enough heavy infantry, or enough additional weapon and other stuff which really makes the game.
>Or the renewed communication with the community isn't an effort?
>The fact that they asked for outside help to fix AoS isn't an effort?
You mean "guys pls, we are too poor since UK economy is collapsing, to hire game-designers, pls fix our system for us".
Also, I am sure the kids will help them to fix 8+ game.
>The new, old days like format of the WD isn't an effort?
WD is still GW brouchure, nothing else.
>The new community website isn't an effort?
Yes, it's so great effort for corporation to hire freelancer to make forum where they can moderate all topics.
>The public FAQs aren't an effort?
Example from new GW FAQ:
Q:Can the summoned unit cast summon spell in the same magic phase?
A:Yes
Great job GW.
>Organising Gamesdays equivalent around the world again is not an effort?
How it's supposed to be good, if it's clearly showing that GW wanting to take total control over community and isolate them in their own GW bubble.
>The stabilising of the prices aren't an effort?
You are right, 35$ per model are great price.
>And you can't just fix the problems that you encounter in GW's rules in a handwave.
because there is no good game-designers? Or GW is too jewish to pay them enough money?

Company's under new leadership.

Some retarded things are being undone, but the process is slow and things like lore and art continue to deteriorate.

Some retarded things can't be undone without GW admitting to mistakes and big companies never do that. GW is making up for this stuff, profit wise, through vidya and blowing their Horus Heresy load, doing stuff like releasing models for shit people have always wanted like Sisters of Silence and Primarchs.

Kevin Rountree is now the CEO.

He's an actual hobbyist, unlike Kirby, so always pushes for more hobby-like approach, which is beneficial to the consumer, and in turn the company.

He's the one to praise for the starting boxes, better pricing and stagnation of said prices, and then the whole lost of stuff I said above.
Basically, he's slowly fixing all the wrong that Kirby has done (and God knows there's a lot of it), thr final step being 40k's 8th edition, which, if rumours are to be believed, will be quite the overhaul to fix A LOT of problems.

Then you add all the absolute golden stuff like the Stealers Cult, TS, Traitor Legions and very likely upcoming SoB plastic release (more than likely to come between February and June) and you get why I, and I guess many hobbyists, like him.

Who okayed End Times and Age of Sigmar, Kirby or Rountree?

>He's an actual hobbyist,
Nice try shill, but he isn't.
>for more hobby-like approach,
Since when "jewing" starts means "hobby-like approach"?
>Stealers Cult,
>golden stuff
kek
>thr final step being 40k's 8th edition, which, if rumours are to be believed, will be quite the overhaul to fix A LOT of problems.
Nioce try shill, but accroding to rumors rulewise the 8th edition will more close to Age of Emperor than to 40k.
>and very likely upcoming SoB plastic release (more than likely to come between February and June)
Who the fuck needs "Ghostbsters2: the miniatures"?

>Who okayed End Times and Age of Sigmar, Kirby or Rountree?
Both of them, Rountree was totally Kirby guy before he become CEO.

>and you get why I, and I guess many hobbyists, like him.
>implying redshirts are hobbyists

Shoo, /V/ladimir, no one wants your shitpost.

>o-o-o-only shitposters dislikes GW in obvious shill-thread
whatever you say Kevin, whatever you say.

Maybe because your arguments are shit, always the same, in the same broken english, and always get debunked and your only option is to say that GW is not competitive like Glorious Warmachines.

If you're not happy, leave. No one will regret you. If you have a better system, leave, it'll be beneficial for both parties.

But if you leave, why are you even here? If you don't like the game, why are you even here, if not to shitpost?

We all grow tired of your bullshit arguments that lead to nowhere.

>Maybe because your arguments are shit,
>isays the shill without arguments

>If you're not happy, leave. No one will regret you. If you have a better system, leave, it'll be beneficial for both parties.
>i-i-i-if you dislike it, just leave,, s-s-s-stop talking bad about GW, they give me 250 euro!

Man srlsy, calm a bit. I mean, you've been spewing hate from the beginning of this tread.
Ok you think those problems are easy to fix but given the state of GW, they still have people to answer to. Change an age old habit is not going to be done instantly. Moreover asking for the community is not "jewing" on game designer, it's just a correct way to get the feel of your clients. Feeling that can be hard to grasp from an intern perspective.
Finally I got to admit the starting boxes are a good things, I mean when I started, my first miniatures came from one of those. Having some Entry point is great even if you think they are lacking stuff, for beginners it's not essential. The point of those boxes is not to give you an army, is to present you with the bases of the Hobby which are miniatures, build them pain them and play with them. An "incorrect" army build does not infer with those basic mechanics.
But pls, mainly, stop flaming so hardly, that's painful to watch

> I mean, you've been spewing hate from the beginning of this tread.
>oh no you dislikes GW, you should stop it!

>Moreover asking for the community is not "jewing" on game designer, it's just a correct way to get the feel of your clients.
it's jewing, they asking the goyims to do all the job for them.

>my first miniatures came from one of those.
So it's your first wargame? Good luck the wonder world awaits you, now go aways you should be elder than 8 years to post here.

>Entry point is great even if you think they are lacking stuff, for beginners it's not essential. The point of those boxes is not to give you an army, is to present you with the bases of the Hobby which are miniatures, build them pain them and play with them.
>the starters shouldn't be useful in the future games
The first sign of new GW-players.

I don't know what you're shit posting about when warmahordes has even worse starters both price wise and game play wise

>has even worse starters both price wise and game play wise
Prices are bad, but gameplay-wise they are still much more useful than GW starters. but i am talking about Infinity, X-wing and other games.

I honestly can't tell who's trolling who anymore. does it count if there are clearly only two people in the entire thread?

X wing is both a rip off price wise and casual garbage. And no tons of the WHstarter sets are literally made to be bad

>oh no you dislikes GW, you should stop it!
I did not say that, just don't be so aggressive

>So it's your first wargame? Good luck the wonder world awaits you, now go aways you should be elder than 8 years to post here.
It is indeed my first wargame, but it's also the only one, I like war40k not much for the rules but for the universe.

They are at least tree people given that I came with this post

>It is indeed my first wargame, but it's also the only one, I like war40k not much for the rules but for the universe.
BWAHAHAHA
Yet still you talking about hobby, prices and rules

Well I still buy stuff for the hobby and still follow (those, indeed , from afar ) the evolution of the wargaming hobby.

>Warhammer
>evolution of the wargaming hobby.
Whatever you say shill.

ok m8

You think FFG or PP rehashing the same rules is evolution?

>You think FFG or PP rehashing the same rules is evolution?
yep, thye improving their rules. And they really cares about game-design,, unlike GW with old and ugly models, lazy sculprots and "throw 3+ to win".

>FFG cares about games design

You don't play X wing do you

Tsk. Shill.

But I am playing X-wing.
Of course because only shill will say that 100 USD for starter with 2 full armies with 15 metal miniatures designed in truth scale with game field, terrain, markers, template, dices book with rules, fluff and small painting guide better than 100USD for 3 Chaos Knights.

Dark vengeance does the same. Better models too.

t. shill

>Dark vengeance does the same.
It doesn't both DA and CSM parts are totally useles if you try to build effective 1k points army. The rules much worse.
>Better models too.
>GW better than CB
Sure

And the parts in the whole box are also uncompetitive trash

Keep it up user. If you guys call me a shill enough times, maybe I'll actually get money from GW, which I will then spend in their shops.

It's a start collecting box. It gives you a start. Then you take it the direction you want it to go. Why can't people undestand that it does in fact provide the units that generally speaking form the foundation of that army.

I can't think of a single wargame or even a card game that gives you a 100% meta competitive army or deck

>Then you take it the direction you want it to go.
And what direction could exist? Starters called STARTers for reason.
>I can't think of a single wargame
Warmahordes, X-wing, Infinity.

Not a single one of those gives you an optimum army

Literally every warmahordes starter pack is designed to be bad or missing key units

I remember when Veeky Forums was known for NOT taking the bait.
I miss those times.
Hell, we even had drawfags.

>Not a single one of those gives you an optimum army
Yeah, because their rules aren't so broken as GW rules and almost all units could be useful.
>designed to be bad or missing key units
Not exactly, they are just not best units.

Where are mods when we need them?

This isn't a janitor problem, those are the effects of a dying board culture

Sorta.
It comes from the fact that the vasr majority of people don't play at all, or haven't touched a game in decades, so aren't in toucb with things and basically shitposts with age old arguments that have been debunked times and times again.

We have dedicated shitposters. The Slav warmachine troll is one of them.

I want to check this thread

archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/48373101/#48383463

Cruise through and and you will see the same shitposter with the same style and bad English but now he is on GW/AoS side.

He even does it in the Veeky Forums total war threads.

>We have dedicated shitposters. The Slav warmachine troll is one of them.
>it's shitposters, it's not GW-players are cancer of Veeky Forums

I know, unfortunately, I recognised him from the get-go, hence my unwillingness to give proper arguments, since I had the same thread with the same person times and times again.

>I remember when Veeky Forums was known for NOT taking the bait.
you fucking what

Veeky Forums has always been pretty horrible for taking bait. They take the bait so hard the ensuing autism slap fight can sometimes turn into something amusing. That's where the "lol epic Veeky Forums derails amirite" shit came from.

>we even had drawfags
we still have drawfags

There's a difference between taking the bait and running away with the bait.

>It's sad that Veeky Forums decides to act like /v/ and hate something when efforts have clearly been made. Even more so when you considerthat the vast majority of haters/whiners don't even play, have stopped playing ages ago.
Cute gaslighting. But let's look at some facts, shall we? A substantial amount of the former players who hate on GW, were former Warhammer Fantasy fans, or fans of some army in 40k that is -NOT- Space Marines or Eldar (or riptide-spamming Tau). The formation-strategy awesomeness that was Fantasy has been replaced with... whatever the fuck skirmish pseudo-40k game Age of Sigmar wants to be. And 40k is still All Spess Muhreens, All The Time. At least Chaos got their fucking legions back, and hell has gotten a bit chillier. Even so, good luck convincing Ork fanboys to return to the dumpster fire that is 7th edition.

Next, let's take Specialist Games. Hell has indeed chilled the fuck out considerably, now that Blood Bowl was rereleased. A decade after it should have been... But that still leaves all the others in IP purgatory.

And lastly, it's not like GW will ever fix the garbage rules that all of their games have had. Yes, they pulled their heads out of their asses and started releasing painfully obvious FAQs. But that doesn't solve the balance issues, or shit-tier army designs because some dev really hates that army. This is 2016, there are better-written rulesets out there, with just as nice miniatures to paint. And more importantly, people actually play them now.

>Don't believe me if you want, I'm just happy GW is doing great and treating uts employees tight as well.
Bad news for you, GW still sees them all as expendables.

Every company views its employees as expendable. I work for a Fortune 500 company that consistently hits in the top 20 every year in "best place to work" polls and even here you don't matter if you're not salary. Welcome to the age of wage slavery.

X-wings been shit for 2 waves now. Designers went full retard when Rebels won a few torunaments and now its just all scum, all the time.

>The X-Wing starter box gives you a meta competitive list straight away

Nigga you what

I believe it. GW has been getting more and more awesome ever since he took over from Kirby.

>GW players talking about rules