Settings that are wastes of Worldbuilding

No. Louise is horribly violent in the light novels too. There's literally no reason for the MC to have fallen in love with her except that she was the first girl who asked to be saved.

Henrietta was the better heroine.

I shouldn't call it shit altogether but the characters and plots are WILDLY inconsistent in quality.
Touma is a great character, but the magic side plots and characters mostly range from bad to terrible until World War III.
Misaka is a solid character in her own series but she's pretty inconsistent outside it, and while science side provides most of the best material in the series it's still kind of a clusterfuck.

>Didn't watch the Sisters arc
Shit user what are you doing

I think I liked pretty much everything up until the Pain Arc I think. Power levels were spiking a bit but they weren't ridiculous. Pre-Shippuden was definitely much better though.

Man I hated the Kage Summit though. And the war was total trash.

Last Exile, fucking McGuffin-girl babysitting instead of awesome airship dreadnought fights.

For me Middle Earth is kind of the reverse. Nice story but if you divert you attention from it the world feels sterile.

really? thats sad.

Like, you can tell that without the shtick she genuinely does develop as a character and that it'd get pretty damn sweet if she did. Is the author a fucking idiot, a masochist, or just inept?

Like, to start with its fine because saito is essentially a pet, but as the series goes on, and in particular at the end of the "fighting 20K dudes for louise" arc, she shoulda left that shit behind and become more of a "Stay the fuck away from my man" character rather than an "i'll beat you until you only look at me" type.

Seriously, that one change would do so much to help the series that its almost criminal it didn't happen.

Warhammer

Basically anything that happens in railgun is gold, but yeah the episodic arcs in index are pretty inconsistent.

That said, it gave us misaka mikoto, so that shits gold.

-Food Fight! (Seriously, if you want a good laugh about what is objectively the worst Animated Movie of all time, complete with Charlie Sheen on top, watch the JonTron video of this)

Things that were NOT wastes of Worldbuilding because they were the shit as a child, but kind of make me cringe a little when I think of them now(but I still love them):

-Secrets of Droon
-Deltora Quest
-Dragon Slayers Academy
-Magic Treehouse Series.

Fairy Tail
Started promising, but just suffered from too much seasonal/arc rot, character development that went nowhere, plot armor thicker than a fallout shelter, repeating plots, and being too slow and sprinkling the world building too thinly

Also Lucy is useless and exists only to show off her cleavage and thighs

Which is sad because the guy who made Fairy Tail also made Based Ravemaster

"Gate: thus the JSDF fought there" is pretty much the perfect example of this.
>Lets ignore this cool setting and just do a harem series!

>Magic Treehouse
Muh nigga

Just hope fairy tail X rave generated enough of a response to justify a ravemaster remake. Its criminal where they stopped. Especially with shit like naruto and bleach essentially dead, they'll need something to fill the void, and Dgrayman ain't gonna cut it.

>IIT: List settings that have good worldbuilding but utterly shit characters/plots.

Gate is like the poster child for that.

Incredibly interesting premise.
Equally incredibly terrible execution.

RIP GONZO
I need that sweet airship crack

Yeah, I mean, this is pretty much the Doctor Who of JFic Reading.

Also Zack Files was pretty fucking great. Anyone read those?

Check out Outbreak Company. Similar premise but less serious tone and less JSDF wanking.

Elder Scrolls mostly, even the best game (Morrowind) has only few good characters, but worldbuilding is awesome. Although other games in the series tend to lack in worldbuilding department too.

Mother. Fucking. Sword. Art. Online.

>Check out Outbreak Company. Similar premise but less serious tone and less JSDF wanking.

OOOOooooooOOooohhhh- I have SEEN that anime and I LOVED IT.

Outbreak looked like it was going to be garbage, but it was fantastic from start to finish.

For the other anons who haven't heard or seen it: a portal to an high-fantasy realm opens up in japan and instead of going full 100% military occupation they send in an otaku to soften them up and basically addict them to japanese otaku culture.

Get them Dwarves, Elves, and Fantasy Humans hooked on anime, mangas and video games so they can leverage them. It's great. It's cute. Loved it.

We'll, there's always rewatching the Abridged series

It's not ignored though. It's just that the main character does have a harem and you know what it's not distracting at all. There's not a lot of worldbuilding there.

the anime? yes. The LN? no. It gets way better from the zekken arc onward. That is literally the point where the author's head was forcibly pulled out of his ass.

Pic-related.

The problem with Outbreak Company is that it doesn't have a harem ending, whereas Gate does. The worst girl wins.

>Zekken
What is that? I abandoned it after the stupidity that was Alicization.

"Everything that is popular" is a good starting point, OP. The compromises required to elevate a setting to the level of having mass appeal are always (or so often to be a statistical guarantee) going to produce shit characters and plots.

how was alicization stupidity?

And zekken is yuuki's nickname. y'know, the aids girl that was anti-kirito plot armor?

Just remembered
Venus Wars

Come to think of it, what's going to replace the Big 3 now that two of them are finished?

>Japan grows AIs from fetuses
>It's a weapons project for intelligent drones
>It becomes oppressive fantasy world at 1000x normal speed
>Kirito got sent there to cure his coma
>Falls in love with a robot
>The villains are the CIA
>They're edgemaster l33t h4xx0r gamyrs
>Kirito accepts Asuna and Alice's love

Not quite as bad assume of the others listed in the thread, but MAR had some cool stuff, but was sadly weighed down by the Tournament nature of the story.
Still, it was pretty fun, and had lots of interesting bits of world building and cool fights.

Then MAR Omega happened, and it all went to shit

I fail to see how any of that is terribly out of the norm for the series. Or bad for that matter. Or even far-fetched, if you consider accel world.

As for "Oppressive fantasy world" fuck you, that was the appeal to start with. Either say its good or say its bad, but for fucks sake stick with one.

Nope, it totally fucking jumped the shark there. Instead of being a meta-commentary on online gaming, society's rules and culture, and the potentials offered by a vast and unregulated internet, it tried to become fantasy.

True. He should have picked Garius.

Atlas Shrugged.

Art deco/pseudo 1950's near future setting in which America is on a slow, inevitable march to complete economic collapse and surrounded by predatory socialist states.
Bandit clans are rising in the rural areas, and the government is funneling money into terror weapons and advanced torture devices in a desperate bid to hold on to its authority.
Major corporations and their government allies are paying lip service to socialism but looting as much as they can, and a faction of Libertarian ubermensch are secretly trying to ensure the whole thing collapses so they can build up from the ashes.

It's Mad Max circa 1957, and I think it would make an awesome setting for something besides an Objectivist tract.

Give me a break. You wouldn't know wastes potential if it jumped up and bit you on the end of your fucking dick

Did he fuq Dorothy?

>Come to think of it, what's going to replace the Big 3 now that two of them are finished?

I hope one of them is Boku no Hero Academia- boy oh boy do I want that manga/anime to be successful. I love it so fucking much.

I love capeshit, but America is just AWFUL, TERRIBLE, HOOORRIBLE at it- it's embarrassing how awful they are at comics these days.

No. He saved the day, rescued his dad, and went back home to his childhood friend, who is also the same person/multi dimensional soul linked to the ice princess.

Though Jack gets that girl with the ball hammer

Dude, get fucking serious. To start with it was never any of that. It was a story about a dude wanting to make and interact with a world, a dude trying to become evil rapey mcbrainwash fag, and rapey i want to fuck this girl that has PTSD fag.

None of it was some meta social commentary, it was all fantasy bullshit to start with. The story didn't fail you, your own expectations did.

For fucks sake, how do you expect someone with no knowledge of MMO's to start with to make that kinda commentary on them? the author admitted as much himself.

From beginning to end, it was a story about kirito getting the bitch and being a teenage power fantasy.

Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress

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It has a good soundtrack though

youtube.com/watch?v=puEMM96sGyo

Personally, I completely gave up on the series when Pain ressurected a WHOLE VILLAGE after a pretty emotional and impactful fight in the series.

It was one of those massive cop-outs that just leaves you bitter towards a narrative. All the tough choices, all the sacrifices just handwaved away AND, differently from other series like dragon Ball, the ressurection spell/power was never foreshadowing or shown to be one of the pwoers the guy had.

>implying
Morrowind has more than a few characters who are very relevant to the lore. And if you actually read lore instead of just playing the games, you discover many others.

I mean TES is very character-driven, things don't happen for no reason in this setting, people/gods/other sapient things make them happen. Though I suppose this also depends on your definition of "characters", and what you find interesting.

>good worldbuilding but utterly shit characters
Wheel of Time. Blood and Ashes, Wheel of time so very much.

Some of my favorite world and setting building, with extensive lore and detail on everything to the point I kept craving more
Only to be combined win the most frustrating and annoying characters ever

The anime or the manga?

The manga is developing decently, if not a bit on the slow side.

>The anime or the manga?

The Anime- The Manga isn't actually that bad and I'd say it's significantly more tolerable.
I knew I was in for a bad time when I saw just how much they had changed the appearance of the main cast and how little the other male characters were contributing vs how it was in the manga.

It almost feels like "Those who Hunt Elves" in the sense that it's a mix of fantasy and modern folk going on a road trip and helping people out while they still find time to show us what everyone is doing n' so forth.

It's still a little self-wankery, but I agree the Manga manages to tone down it's stupidity.

I'd say the self-wankery went to a minimum after the main character finally decided to go hunt the dragon and started taking his position as a representative of Earth and Japan seriously.

Also, when war breaks out, most of the fan-service also disappears with it.

Unless kuribayashi is involved. Like, holy shit. That girl is fuckin brutal.

I feel its more things taking generally too long which makes you dislike the characters more as a side effect.

Fuck Perrin though. Wolfwolfwolfwolf-wolf-a-wolf

>Touma is a great character,
>Touma
>Great character

Touma is great because he gets misaka to be cute AF.

What more could you ask for?

May, it's how Nyenevae changed into a complete bitch between books, and how Egewene is nothing but a tantruming magic crack addict sociopath who thinks the world should revolve around her, and who ends up basically wasting all of her character development she should've been getting from the Wise Ones. And the fact that nearly every single Aes Sedai is a complete idiot.

Seriously, I think the only people I've liked consistently in the books so far are the Aiel, especially the Wise Ones.

She can be plenty cute on her own. There's no need for the High Lord of Bland to come in.

It will be tough for them to replace the other 2, since they seem to be cancelling every new shounen series they release after 2 volumes.

But Bland IS his power

I like how it was handled in railgun. He was there for anything he was needed for, but otherwise was kept out of the way to allow misaka to grow as organically as possible as a character.

This.... isn't exactly wrong.

Eh, I'm not too crazy about the wise master act the Wise Ones have.

Game of Thrones, the World of Ice and Fire book opened the setting up to me and gave so many amazing locations or set-pieces that the lordly disputes of Westeros just seem kind of dull in comparison.

I want more adventures of a hedge knight in the Reach, or a Bravos fighting to earn a night with his lady, or heck an Emperor in Yi Ti.

Oh, I liked how they didn't take shit, would constantly correct each other, and actually believed that it was worth listening to and working alongside men, rather than thinking of all of then as smelly brutes lime the Aes Sedai do.
I guess they reminded me a bit of my mother and other women I've known, so I'm a tad biased

>Middle Earth feels sterile
Middle Earth at the time of LOTR is in ruins and most of the magical stuff is dying out. During Fellowship of the Ring they can't walk 20 feet without a party member stopping to bemoan how some landmark they've passed used to be a town or a sign of a dead kingdom's prosperity.

Goddamn, you're right.

>Aw, this is so cool. Like AoT with trains instead of German spiderman ninjas!
>Wait, who's this guy? Isn't he from Final Fantasy or something?
>"Onii-chan!"
>Mumei, what are you doing?
>No Mumei, you're a strong girl who don't need no Onii-chan.
>No Mumei, don't do stupid shit like that.
>No Mumei, don't become a beautiful butterfly deer.
>Wait, wtf? He can do that too?
>What the fuck is going on?

That's because America seems to really like to rehash the well established hero's in grittier outfits instead of finding something new.

Lets be honest here, kabaneri was meant to look good, not make sense.

And holy shit did it deliver on that.

>useless
>exists only to show off her cleavage and thighs
Pick one.

>Have nice serviceable zombie hordes
>lets mash them together into a huge boring indistinguishable blob because we need a kaiju, this is japan damn it
>don't wan't cool scenes with the zombies anymore after all.

I'll pick useless, because Erza is enough to pick up the slack

Borderlands.

>Post-apocalyptic world full of brutal bandit tribes, corporate remnants, and alien artifacts
>First game's plot is meh
>Second and third games are "YOU'RE A BADASS VAULT HUNTER OF BADASSITUDE AND YOU ARE THE CONDUCTOR OF THE POOP TRAIN!"

To be fair, I liked Borderlands 2, especially Krieg and best girl (pic related). I just think the world was squandered.

>rehash established heroes in grittier outfits

Really? Not the "modern college campus politics need to have a voice in our books!" thing?

Ok, here's my pitch:

Borderlands as a Skirmish Wargame.

That too! How can I enjoy my powerfantasies if it is burrowed under angst and drama!

>fresh out of the nest idiots trying to push a political agenda they don't actually believe in or understand for attention

Son, thats happened for far longer than america has been rehashing movies.

You forgot tiny best girl. (which is honestly pretty much the same, character wise)

Same. I wanted to know moe about how the villages were ran. The title of Kage always intrigued me because it's like an elective monarchy of sorts.

And the timeline should have been expanded. When Konoha was founded and the story takes place is around 70-80 years.

Did Kiri have a Navy? What was it like with mass scale hydro/aerokinesis?

Yeah but when it gets to the point where it starts to distract from the actual superheroing then it's a problem

Western Comics have always had a very real and very serious problem of trying to take themselves seriously and always failing because their messages and execution are always so fucking hamfisted, stupid, and over-bearing.
Which is ironic because as cliche as it may sound I've always felt Manga has "done more with less" in terms of telling a good story with a decent message all the while you've got constant, stupid, wackiness going on.

I don't understand where everything went so wrong: where western comics are constantly being so fucking brooding and stupid while japanese comics can so be fun and lighthearted.

I don't like Tina as much. It helps that Gaige is legal.

Its probably a difference in the maturity of the countries involved, if anything.

America is still growing, evolving, and we still can't do jack shit right.

Japan on the other hand, has been telling demon and god stories for longer than its been known as japan, before it was a unified state, and before Buddhism was even a thing there.

Its just a difference in cultural experience in storytelling. America is at the point where everyone wants to write a great epic, and japan is just like "man, we have so many fucking stories about gods, monsters, heroes, and whatever else. what can we do with this kinda shit?"

They have a diverse background in storytelling to draw from. America, as of yet, does not.

GATE feels obligatory. seeing how people rage at how much of a waste this setting was a year or two ago felt nice, since I was one of them.

>Not liking the plot and it's twists
>Characters not being just mediocre
Were you bothered by the homo love plotline or something?

Not him, but homo love was fine, but took too much space.

Everything with squealer was awesome. Except the end he got.

>muh fun light hearted Japanese comic feel!
>Not reading for great art and interesting plotlines
Don't be that faggot user, seriously, don't.

Fair enough.
I dunno man, you'd think that western mythology is at least as rich of an inspiration. Even if they moved to another continent first.

>Pain ressurected a WHOLE VILLAGE after a pretty emotional and impactful fight in the series.
Yeah, that was a fucking cop-out. That told you that there was nothing at stake, ever.

Squealer did nothing wrong!

Nah, I thought most of the stuff in WoIaF was pretty much just generic flavoring, like the city of amazon women and not-China.

For the most part, the idea was cool, but didn't really like the characters.

Clearly Mumei wasn't a good fit for the series. The heroine should've been a certain engineer.

That was when I dropped the series myself.

They just rehashed the Spider-Man Clone Arc. The worst arc in Marvel's 90s comic history.