How could an medieval army without access to firearms and magic hope to defeat an ogre army?

>Arrows stabbed into the ground, then a dead cows guts.

Better than nothing, but if you have some time...

Grab the cows liver. If available, find a large viper or pit viper, have it bite the liver, squeeze the venom glands a bit. Venomous elapids probably won't work as well, but should be better than no snake.

Now feel free to chop up the liver a bit and to dust one some soil, don't grab soil from the very top, dig a bit. The things we're after don't like oxygen.

Then wrap everything up in the cow's bladder. The less air in there the better. Tie it up, air tight. Leave for a few days, ideally not too cold.

Thus we've seeded the liver with both soil bacteria and bacteria from the snake's mouth (stuff that will probably enjoy living in a puncture wound filled with tissue-destroying toxins, eating dead tissue and shitting ore such toxins), and given them a chance to grow on the liver. (Why the liver specifically? I don't know, but it's what they did, so perhaps it works the best, maybe it just works.) Should leave you with much more of them than if you just did the seeding, especially since the cow guts may until quite recently have been ruled by relatively harmless chlorophyll-eaters and the cow's immune system.

The venom may have decomposed along with the cow liver here, but should any remain, well, it'd be a shame to complain.

If the arrows are prepared a few days in advance, try to smear on some fresh blood just before the battle to wake everyone up.

get them into a confined area: metric fucktonne of catapults with hugeass rocks ready to fire.

Logistics.

Exactly. Even the largest fantasy battles are piddly compared to the Crusades.

Also OP, odds are we'd tame the ogres and then use them as a vassal race. Humanity is great at seeing strength and integrating it into society. Not to mention we'd totally create some human/ogre hybrid because no matter what, someone, somewhere, wants to put his dick in it.

>medieval army

Cavalry Archers, Polearms, Armor.

Search "Pikemen"
Search "Phalanx"

If we're taking Warhammer ogres, they're pretty much out for themselves and will break pretty easily once sustaining enough casualties. They're also massively outnumbered by just about everyone, so even the order races have to drown them in bodies. Large ogre armies are extremely rare and can only be taken down with lots of artillery

>so even the order races
Don't you mean Chaos Warriors? The most elite, low-number army in the setting?

Retreating campaign while burning your fields and all that jazz. Ogres would have to be a relatively small force given their large size, and by cutting off their food supply, their monstrous metabolisms become their own downfall.

Or just lance the fat fucks with ballistae

Just starve them through scorched earth tactics.

Poison every grain store in their path. Wear them out with constant harassment from cavalry and mounted archers. Ambush the groups they will inevitably have to send out for forage. Leverage every single dirty, trick terrain quirk and so on to bleed out their supplies and wear down their morale.

In a pitched battle to finally destroy them, bring them to battle break in appropriate terrain that'll break up their momentum and ability to keep formation, throw in additional fieldworks for good measure, but make sure to use local knowledge for useful information, like where to conceal cavalry so they can be unleashed upon a flank without having to run into an unexpected rabbit warren or sudden elevation change.

Most of the killing will be done when their force breaks and retreats anyway. Rest of it is all basic art of war shit because battles were often won before the forces even draw up.

crossbows?
halberds?

Dig a massive moat and then shoot at them.

wew lad, i cant wait so we have a real warhammer board, that is looong overdue already.

>Mfw people dont know that the basic ogre basically run as fast as a horse galop
>Mfw people dont know ogre have acces to cannon shooting 300kg bullets
>Mfw people think ogre will die from "poisoning" when they eat poison like hindu use spice
>Mfw a Stonehorne outrun any horse easily and as a skin as hard as fucking ROCK
>Mfw thuindertusk would literraly go LOTR 3 Oliphan on the Minas Thirit battle on infantry and cavalry alike
>Mfw mournfang outrun cavalry
>Mfw Sabertusk outrun cavalry
>Mfw NO ONE IN THIS THREAD IS ACKNOWLEDGING THAT A NORMAL HUMAN WOULD SHIT ITSELF AND RUN
>Mfw They don't know Ogres can MANIPULATE FUCKING COMET to fall on your fucking castle
>Mfw some faggot just answer with "Tactics. Numbers." when even elf with fucking magic and dragon and shit and using "Tactics. Numbers." still loose
>Mfw people a spewing shit lie Search "Pikemen", Search "Phalanx" and ogre kingdom are known to charge belly first into those shit and survive easily
>Mfw that what you get for having MTG and historical faggot in the mix
>Mfw people unironically answer with shit like "arrows and cavalry" while you would need 50+ arrow to take one down becausemost of them would inevitably land in the 3foot of fat
>Mfw people haven't read any ogre codex

Ogres are big and fat, like whales.

Get Nippon mercs with harpoons.

>A NORMAL HUMAN WOULD SHIT ITSELF AND RUN
why? Normal humans have had to face down tanks without running.

Tanks are scarier than ogres. Unless you're talking about the OGRE tank, in which case it's about as scary as several tanks.

Shittons of spears and bows.

Because all the strength and power in the world means nothing if you're being turned into a pincushion from outside your reach.

Again, nothing plenty of a healthy helping of DEUS VULT plenty of archers, mounted cavalry, pikemen, hordes of peasent levies, siege equipment, starvation tactics, and advantageous terrain can't handle.

He got a point tho, does those normal humans faced tank with medieval technology ? or rocket launcher ? pretty sure a tank would make any medieval army flee

Have a mideval version of the iron cage from 40k, i.e. Have a super fortress that's full of traps and shit that leads to an open courtyard that's just arrow hell with every ablebodyed man shooting them. Cripple the army early on and them mop up the rest.

oh okay so you're trolling. that explains alot.

youtube.com/watch?v=SL_QV2gPwpE

Okay, now tell me why any of that shit is relevant? You're mixing stuff from like three different settings and taking the best of all of them, of course they're going to seem OP as shit.

NONE of those can even hurt a Stonehorne.
Trebuchet are taken out with much more accurate and rapidly reloaded Frost Giant cannons.
Pikemen dont do this vs ogres. Ogre have much more siege equipment than you do, they became so numerous by besieging the FUCKING FROST GIANT and exteminating them.
An ogre can survive starvation much longer than the common 65kg mediaval man due to enormous amount of fat.

Again all of this was used against ogre but with fucking magic and dragon as backup and that failed.

Medieval armies had to deal with primitive napalm. I'm sure they could handle giant fat men without completely shitting themselves.

3 different settings ? all from the latest Ogre arnybook, the very ogres OP use as pic.

That's a big, stupid assumption to make based on a picture.

Especially when OP strongly implies that magic and gunpowder, two things you repeatedly bring up, aren't part of the equation.

caltrops
loads of caltrops

have them run into field and torch the field (when dry ofc)

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>Mfw people dont know ogre have acces to cannon shooting 300kg bullets
if one bullet is 300kg how many do they carry with them? + powder and all that? Remember the humans dont have guns therefore you cannot loot theirs

>while you would need 50+ arrow to take one down because most of them would inevitably land in the 3foot of fat
how many ogres are we talkin about, because 50 arrows is not all that much

Bear in mind just how massive a warhorse is. A knight atop a destrier will be just as tall as an ogre, if not taller, and the knight's lance will far exceed the ogre's reach.

>infantryman being charged by a thundering mass of men clad in impervious steel sitting ten feet high atop their hulking steeds with vicious lances set to impale the infantry before they can even stab their spears
>mfw NO ONE IN THIS THREAD is acknowledging that a normal human WOULD SHIT ITSELF AND RUN in this situation

Except, frequently, they didn't.

>How could an medieval army without access to firearms and magic hope to defeat an ogre army?

bribe one half to kill the other half

Humans would lose in a straight infantry fight, but we would attempt it first and never do it again, after that it would evolve into covering the ground it caltrops and arrowing the fuck out of them as they try and make it though. We would attrition them to oblivion like what the Russians did to napoleon (burning everything as they retreated and leaving nothing to the French)

>archers
Ogre skin is very tough, and thick and below that there is a ton of fat and muscle, I don't think most arrows would do much real damage.
>cavalry/skirmishes
Ogres are large and being so they are relatively fast, almost as fast as a horse. However being bipedal they are better suited for long distance/endurance running.
>scorched earth
Ogres aren't only eating bread and livestock, they eat every man woman and child that can't get away from them, and a healthy ogre will have enough fat stores to last him quite a while.
>poison
Ogres are described as eating rocks, old carcasses, bones, wood you name it, they can pretty much digest anything and poison would have to be incredibly potent to beat their digestion and overcome their sheer size
>fortifications
Humans with a battering ram can destroy a gate after a dozen or so hits, how long do you really think any entrance would last against eight ogres with a battering ram

The soles of their boots are likely 6 inches thick with probably another 4 inches of dermis. Footling caltrops wew lad

>so they are relatively fast, almost as fast as a horse.
Lolwut?
Also, still not a problem for knight lance.
Also, infantry.

I have the 7th edition codex which is actually where op pic is from and all this is pretty much accurate. Even taking out their cannons they still would stomp traditional European forces

They are large, they are described in the codex that OP came from as being as fast as horses, and even a lance is not likely to bring one down in done go

Lol you faggot. Historical european armies will OBVIOUSLY rolfstomp anything ogres can throw with like, 2 peasants and some rocks lying around.

1 peasant woth a rock and a horse can probably kill 20000000 ogres, stonehorne and deflect firestorm, blizzard and comets.

lol those warhammer faggots.

did someone poop on your infantile understanding of medieval warfare or something, because you sure sound mighty bum rumpled

Surely ogre that casually attack DEMONIC fortress with walls 250meters high that spit lightning are NO MATCH for our glorious medieval castle and arrows

Wow that is an impressive "Wall" you got there, just as the one we go thought daily, except this one isn't 2000 Elves deep.

Please historians and MTG player here :
Are the 2 last work on ogre available for completely free >>>

mega:///#F!6EZEHQqJ!gdDBPH48LYPGDccS4YaeWA!PIw1QKIB this one you got under battletome then destruction

and this one : mega:///#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!kF4GASgC You go under armybooks.

Read them and comeback.

Why in god's name are you so obsessed with "MTG players" I fail to see any connection between the conversation at hand and that. Other then the tenuous connection of "Outnumber them" but that's kinda been a mainstay in how to fight troops of higher quality than yours since day one so...

Quantity has a quality all of its own.

Thread was good up until this dude just had to start sperging out.

Disregard smegmar

There's another WHFB ogre player here too

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>Mfw people think ogre will die from "poisoning" when they eat poison like hindu use spice

Do they have poison immunity in WHFB?
If no, they die to it. Rules, not headcanon, please

>Mfw people unironically answer with shit like "arrows and cavalry" while you would need 50+ arrow to take one down becausemost of them would inevitably land in the 3foot of fat
Are they immune to arrows within the confines of the WHFB ruleset. If not, it *is* a viable answer, right?

>Ogres are large and being so they are relatively fast, almost as fast as a horse. However being bipedal they are better suited for long distance/endurance running.
Does not matter. light cavalry with bows can shoot on the move, therefore shoot and run away while ogre just runs and bleeds
>The soles of their boots are likely 6 inches thick with probably another 4 inches of dermis. Footling caltrops wew lad

You might want to check your dimensions
start with human soles and boots and think about ogres not being giants.
Note: caltrops were used to stop war-elephants

But you came here just to live out your supa-ogre-powerfantasies, right.

(If not, please explain why bretonnia is not overrun by ogre hordes 250 times in the WHFB lore)

Or you just smear it in shit and call it a day.

>Surely ogre
But I thought that's not ogres, but Ogors.

Old worlds dead. Move on.

Yeah move on to your wow general on Veeky Forums.

>Ogres are large and being so they are relatively fast, almost as fast as a horse. However being bipedal they are better suited for long distance/endurance running.
>Does not matter. light cavalry with bows can shoot on the move, therefore shoot and run away while ogre just runs and bleeds>

What is a leadblecher

The ogres could also just go for the villager instead of taking the animu weeboo bait composed of 10 light cavalry, or you know, any pack of the thousand vulture like in the cannon artwork, or you know, the sabertusk/mournfang/Thundertusk/stonehorne you don't quote, all much faster than any horse.

>The soles of their boots are likely 6 inches thick with probably another 4 inches of dermis. Footling caltrops wew lad

>You might want to check your dimensions
start with human soles and boots and think about ogres not being giants.
>Note: caltrops were used to stop war-elephants

>But you came here just to live out your supa-ogre-powerfantasies, right.

Lol. the ogres know caltrop very well and use them against most armies, they even train gnoblar trapper to set them.

>(If not, please explain why bretonnia is not overrun by ogre hordes 250 times in the WHFB lore)
Ogres dont go that much in the south, only as mercenaries.. and when they did went there they basically fucked everything then eat the human that paid them then went back to their tribes with the money and the meat

Also are you that much of a faggot to compare MEDIEVAL EARTH with BRETONNIA that use blessings magic weapons, magic blizzards, fucking pegasus, and ghost, unkillable knights ?

Bretonnia is Medieval Earth +100 you are trolling at this point mentioning bretonnia as a proof that historical could win.

Try to not nit pick arguments and answer everything next time

Me leaving won't bring the old world back.

What's funny is age of sigmar is more popular than old fantasy ever was.

which are exactly the same except for the name

>What's funny is age of sigmar is more popular than old fantasy ever was.
>source: my ass
>which are exactly the same except for the name
Nope, since ogres were just one of mortal races, not super-magic shit living in winds of magic

> Try to not nit pick arguments and answer everything next time
You neither answered my earlier question regarding limited supply of gunpowder for a prolonged campaign nor my question why you think ogres are immune to caltrops. You also dismissed my arguments regarding poison and arrows able to wound ogres on the tabletop.

Last but not least, i was not talkin about 10 mounted archers, more like 1000.
Read up on Gengis Khan and the mongol horde, how it is done.

And btw, why should ogres be allowed firearms and magic while the opposing army does not?

It makes up for 35% of GW's business compared to the fantasy at the time of it's was what? 5%?

Move on. Oldhammer is gone.

>It makes up for 35% of GW's business compared to the fantasy at the time of it's was what? 5%?
Post source
>Move on. Oldhammer is gone.
Yes, that's why TWW and BFG royalty saved the lst GW annual report, while AoS was outsold by Calth

Short and sweet. Don't need a source. Old worlds dead.

Continue to be pissed at AoS nothing will change you mind. Just know the old world you loved will never amount to anything outside of a videogame along with fan and shitty third party support.

>Don't need a source.
So you haven't the source of
>It makes up for 35% of GW's business

>with fan and shitty third party support.
>implying third party miniauters aren't superior better than Space Marines copies

That EXACT attitude is the reason YOU killed WHFB user. the fact that YOU weren't buying GW's minis lead them to see WHFB as an unsuccessful product branch (Which it was) and caused them to overhaul it into something else. And if that failed, don't think they'd bring WHFB back. They would have just killed it off entirely since they'd already tried to save it once.

Yeah, people parrot that Calth sold better than AoS, but never seem to provide a source, other than "Somewhere in the 47 page financial report"
Meanwhile, the line saying that AoS sold better than WHFB is visible in plain english in the last scentence of the 4th paragraph from the bottom of page 7 on the 2015-16 financial report

>That EXACT attitude is the reason YOU killed WHFB user.
>I-i-it's all players fault
Lol it's not players made 8th edition with bad rules and ugly cartoonish models.
>since they'd already tried to save it once.
When they tried to save it?
>Meanwhile, the line saying that AoS sold better than WHFB is visible in plain english in the last scentence of the 4th paragraph from the bottom of page 7 on the 2015-16 financial report
No numbers it you mean Kirby's preamble, he wrote something the same years ago about the reason of closing Specialist Game, now when he wasn't CEO anymore someone starts spreading rumors that it was logistic fuck up, not unpopularity

Translation : I have no source.

Try to worm out of it as much as you want, but when it boils down to it, WHFB was a product, and for whatever reason, it's playerbase did not buy it, and that led to it getting replaced with AoS, which people do buy
Also that second sentence seems.. off. Did you have a stroke user?

>which people do buy
Source?

So as you Kevin.

Say the source.

>Say the source.
Only after you.

>Oldhammer is gone.
Oldhammer never left, and if anything it's in a bit of a renaissance right now. Ten-fifteen years ago it was completely underground.

I am a new user. I didn't post any claim. Where does it say that Calth outsold AoS.

Learn to read nigger. To quote myself here "the line saying that AoS sold better than WHFB is visible in plain english in the last scentence of the 4th paragraph from the bottom of page 7 on the 2015-16 financial report"

>Where does it say that Calth outsold AoS.
belloflostsouls.net/2016/03/40k-betrayal-at-calth-faq.html
>"the line saying that AoS sold better than WHFB is visible in plain english in the last scentence of the 4th paragraph from the bottom of page 7 on the 2015-16 financial report"
Numbers shill.

>belloflostsouls.net/2016/03/40k-betrayal-at-calth-faq.html

I see nothing about sales or outselling AoS. You lied?

Wow. You sure proved me wrong, calling me a shill and posting something from a third party site when I posted something directly from their financal statement. I am truly awash

>I see nothing about sales or outselling AoS.

>when I posted something directly from their financal statement.
And nothing about your first statement
>>It makes up for 35% of GW's business
And as I said you've posted only Kirby's words, not numbers.

To quote you. Numbers shill

I'm not the one stating that it makes up 35%. There's another person here stating that. I don't know where you can find the exact numbers, but hey, it's not like you can face persecution if you lie on a financial report, right?

So nothing official. If we are going by BoTS, then it's okay to use this.

AoS sales > WHFB sales.

This is LITERALLY you saying "I heard it from a guy who heard it from a guy"

Walls of these.

Only after you.
>but hey, it's not like you can face persecution if you lie on a financial report, right?
He didn't lie since they didn't provide numbers. And hey we are talking about country without constitution.
>okay to use this.
>I was not told
Yeah much more relieable.

Just as all "AoS is succeful" posts, while numbers saying that their revenue still dropping.

>Yeah much more relieable.

In your twisted fantasy, man.

Actually that WOULD count as a lie, even if they didn't provide numbers. I'm sure the numbers are there somewhere, but A: You have yet to give even a single shred of evidence supporting your claim other than a fucking fan site saying they heard it from someone, and B: it's fuckin' 3 AM

>I'm sure the numbers are there somewhere,
Where? Annual reports provides only common numbers.
>You have yet to give even a single shred of evidence supporting your claim other than a fucking fan site saying they heard it from someone,
Their revenue is still dropping.

Substantiate your claims.
And even then, how do we know it's not 40k that's doing bad? The game is kinda turning to hot garbage right now

>And even then, how do we know it's not 40k that's doing bad?
Yeah, I am suremirrored gay-dwarves selling better than plastic heresy and other cool releases.
>The game is kinda turning to hot garbage right now
Did you roll 3+ to win todaty?

Oh. You're THAT poster again.
I shoulda figured though since the WHFB community is in the single digits most of the time and there can only be so many retards with more skull than brain. It's not even worth arguing with you at this point since you're too dumb to fucking understand when your "Argumets" if you can even call them that, have been debunked. At least you'll have fun playing with your tau against other tau with the exact same armies or space marines against other, different color space marines, right? Maybe you'll even get a WHFB game in and shuffle huge blocks of infantry against one another for 3 hours, but I doubt it
>inb4 "Umad?" or other such drivel