SoB as Imperial Daemons, Second Verse

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We've apparently decided that Imperial daemons should be a thing, represented by Sisters of Battle ascending to become daemons of the Emperor.
We've also got some seriously good art courtesy of a DrawAnon, and some limited lore about how they look, act, form, etc.

>The Sanguinor, the Legion of the Damned, the Living Saints, all of these creatures are proto-daemons
>Then at last when the Emperor passed fully into the warp, he brought the most righteous of souls with him
>They became the first daemons

>There are many individual instances of daemonic substantiation of the various sects of humanity that ascended with him
>We will concern ourselves with the SoB daemons
>The daemons that most, if at all, the rest of humanity will interact with

Honestly, you should check the previous thread out as soon as you can. It's got some good shit that I am too incompetent to transfer over. The only thing I've got is the idea that whilst these "Angels" are repeatedly confirmed and declared to be divine beings separated from the Immaterium, they are still daemons and so are subject to daemonic conventions. Such as those given below.

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>True Names
What is an Imperial Daemons True Name? A infinite choir singing the praises of the Emperor in it's unique way.
It is inevitable that Chaos will acquire an Imperial Angels True Name. What atrocities will they force it to commit? What ritual will they use to debase it?

>Greater Daemon
There are more to Humanity than just the SoB. What other GD than the Ebon Avenger (OP image) exists? What values are they formed from?
Ebon Avengers : Keepers of the holy flame, Bringers of righteous wrath! All who look at them are filled with fear and adoration of the God Emperor. Sinners tear at their eyes and stop oit their ears, the Avenger's very presence wreaking unimaginable pain upon their senses.

>Daemon Prince(ss)
Sanguinor was an Imperial Daemon Prince before the passing of the Emperor wholly into the Warp, what other Princes and Princesses have come to be in that time hence?
Living Saints were the one of the first to ascend with the Emperor into Angelhood, his first Seraphim. What are the Living Saints of other areas of Humanity i.e. Imperial Guard? What glories must a mortal achieve to merit the Emperor's gaze upon them?

>Lesser Daemon
The Sisterhoods comrades in arms, the Angels of Mankind (??? image) are the most common, what multitude of forms can they take? Transmutating themselves to fit their purpose.
Do the endless stream of souls that flow from the endless deaths of mankind become their own Angels?

>Daemon Steeds
Those who have re-dedicated themselves to the glory of Mankind (??? image), but have otherwise considered themselves unworthy of following it themselves, these penitent souls are given purpose anew when the Emperor personally assign them a burgeoning Seraphim-to-be to guide and protect. What thoughts, as we can understand them, pass through the mind-analogues of these Angels as they execute their duty? How do they view their charge?
What other forms do they take, and what is their significance?

>Daemon Beasts
A reminder to us all that Angels are still Daemons. Those who have faithfully followed the Words of the Emperor and done their duty, but otherwise have given no thought to said duty, are unlikely to become Angels in truth, and instead relegated to this mindless mass of choristers. It is a personal shame to the Emperor that his Daemons are mostly composed of these creatures, no matter that they are excluded from realspace. What do they look like physically? How do the faithful attempt to canonise or otherwise accept these things with their belief of the Imperial Faith?
What other Beasts may the souls of Mankind take?

>Unaligned Daemons
Does all the souls of Mankind go the Emperor? NAY! For the Chaos Gods would have long since starved if this was the case! So what are these human-things that look so much like the Lesser Angels? Daemons banished but not destroyed by the Emperor? Or are they the greatest tricks of the Great Enemy?! Lies and filth to make us lose out hope and faith in the indomitable will of Mankind and our Emperor!
Can a Daemon Unaligned ever become and Angel?

>Possession
Though the touch of an Imperial Angel is lighter than that of other Daemons, like the Emperor, it's tread is not light. Only those of great faith (and will) may bear an Imperial Daemon within their flesh without bursting apart with Holy Light. How are these rituals conducted? What respect are these individuals given? What powers are gifted and what life do these Nephilim live? How cursed their existence.
Can a man ever be purified of impure thought through the action of being burnt out by a forced possession? Having the Glory of the Emperor pass through you and burn away all the filth that encrusts your soul, what effects does it have on the penitent and the Angel involved? How is it carried out?

>Daemon Weapons
Imperial Daemons can be infused into weapons much like how other Daemons can be force. But since their submission is (likely) willful the weapon can be made stronger than those that must strain with keeping a Daemon in check.
Is this penance for Steeds who have let their charges die? What forms do these Angelic Weapons take? Does the Angel within whisper to their wielder or let them make their own decisions?

>Chaos Spawn
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[To believe that the Emperor would ever allow a thing like this to exist, let alone a Seraphim come to such an end, is BLASPHEMY of the highest order.]

>Daemonhosts
When the full power of an Angel is required, but too great to be expressed through possession, then a willing vessel may give themselves over completely to a Imperial Daemon. But take care, the rituals must be followed to properly cage the Numinous Choir that makes up the Angel, lest the possession fail. But what glorious a figure such a being will cut?
Humans can be possessed against their will, this is known. Can you tell me a tale of such a thing?

>Daemon-Possessed Vehicles
A subset of Angelic Weapons. Oh, how hot an Immolators fire must glow, lit with the images of Holy Truth? Oh, how sweet the Exorcists missiles must sound as they are propelled by litanies sang aplomb by His Angels?!
What changes are wrought to a vehicle when an Angel is invited to take it as their form? Do the Mechanicus tolerate this? Do they excommunicate every vehicle defiled by His Daemons?

>Pacts
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>>Daemon Beasts
I'd say that they'd likely take, at least partially, the forms of species domesticated by humans. It fits imo.

Sounds like a shitty idea tbqh.

Dogs for those who attack, sheep and cows for those who do naught but venerate the Emp. That what you mean?

>represented by Sisters of Battle ascending to become daemons of the Emperor.
Isn't that what living saints are?

Effectively. The concept is basically fast-forward to the point where the Emperor become a Chaos God in his own right, then develop Daemons for him.

>Daemon Weapons
All I'm picturing now is a chaos cultist finding an imperial daemon weapon and having to deal with it constantly whispering into their mind to PURGE THE UNCLEAN.

>What is an Imperial Daemons True Name?
If we're going with the "former SoB" idea, wouldn't it be the Sister's name?
Possibly with a few titles tagged on?

Well, it would really be that particular sister's true name before they were a Daemon.
Every living thing has one, but few learn it.

Bump

I personally enjoy the idea of them being "hydra harpies".

I'm not really positive how that'd work

I don't see the logic in that.

Me again, I do like the idea of imperial two headed eagle harpies though

Wait, is this that concept presented in the 50K fanfic? Where the Emperor finally dies and becomes a Chaos god?

Not really, sorta another take on the Chaos God Emperor, but not related to the 50K fic
Started with it's own idea of the SoBs as 'angels'/demons

You have a bird's body, two or more long necks, and then a lady's head at the end of them.
Plus standard daemon weirdness.

Why?

That sounds to much like Chaos stuffs. Imperial aligned deamons are made by Big "Control Freak" E so I doubt that would look as weird.
Creatures trying as much as possible to look human but can't get there decently enough.

I think that'd probably be too bestial for creatures who are formed from all these ideals about humanity. That said, when I picture hydra harpy, I'm thinking something the mechanicus would have as one of their daemons. Blending together all these parts from nature and machine into something that could never exist, but does by the power of the omnissiah. also void dragon symbolism what with the draconic nature of hydras

What do you think other omnissian daemons would be? I'm picturing lots of serpents or tendrils made of cords, and lots of hooded faces.

This is fucking amazing

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I think that'd probably be too bestial for creatures who are formed from all these ideals about humanity.
These things should be glorifying humanity first, albeit in an eldritch way, I'd say go more winged humanoid than beast with some human features

I'm thinking dragonic things would be the BIG ones
I'm...not actually sure about the small ones though, maybe vaguely skeletal reptilian things? Like they don't really look like an animal unless you squint level

ooh, skeletal also means we can play up a huge symbolism thing about how "THE MECHANICUS ARE THE BONES OF MANKIND" and lots of religious doctrine supporting the forge-world dominated infrastructure the imperium uses.
Combining that with teh whole triangle thing from last thread, we have the SoB's as the Mind, representing the ideals of the men and women of the imperium, the mechanicus/omnissiah as the Body, representing the imperium as infrastructure and creation, and the chosen of the Emperor as the Spirit, representing the unconqured souls of true humanity.

I just realized that this also means that we can start calling the powers of chaos the Four Corners to fit with the imperium's Good Triune.

I have no idea what you're talking about with the triangle thing, but I mostly suggested the skeletal part as a nod to the void dragon/necron connection

If the Emperor is a chaos God, then that means that there can be imperial chaos worlds.

World's where things are just "not right", but the maddened and mutayed inhabitants are considered favored by the Emperor for living in a world so influenced by him.

that a good point actually

what would that look like

last thread someone suggested that the imperium be represented by three points, as a counterpart to chaos' four.

Those are called shrine worlds
Everything and every moment better be spent bowing, scraping, and praying or otherwise exalting Him, his Angels, or his Saints, in whatever manner local Sisters deem is most appropriate.
Failure to do so warents a personal visit from the Sisters or one of his Angels, and it's probably not gonna be a fun one.
Only exceptions are doing thing that would help you to worship better and/or spread the faith

Probably depends on the planet.

I would expect something like how FFG did it; each planet manifests the concepts and creed of it's associated God in wildly different ways.

A khornate world can be both a frozen Viking land or a giant sea where the inhabitants must constantly fight off giant leviathans. A nurglite would can be both a massive landscape made out of both living and dead flesh, or a wasteland where incredible acid storms break down the various shantytowms to dust in hours , forcing the natives to rebuild.

thinking about it, would kreig in this universe qualify as an imperial daemon world? I could see it being under the purview of the omnissiah and the emperor both, with the combination of factory-style soldier production meeting imperial guard ideals and design.

It's really only a daemon world if it's bathed in warp energies, but considering that a lot of time must have passed for the Emperor to become a chaos god any number of things may have changed.
Kreig could very well be in a warp storm.

>>Daemon Beasts
Humanity's creations, reshaped into partially living forms. Hydrothrax's art for inspiration, but with imperial sigils everywhere.

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>hydrothrax.deviantart.com/gallery/51104299/Monster-Machines
Fucking fantastic

>the beasts are motorcycle centaurs
>hydrothrax.deviantart.com/gallery/51104299/Monster-Machines

>I like the idea of them all being females in some capacity, so even the beasts and mounts have some kind of female torso in their design.
>the beasts are motorcycle centaurs

Combine this picture...

...with this other picture. Then add imperial sigils and fire.

What would the mechanis think about theses busty bio bikes

Not him, but I'd think they'd be more like or built into the bike, to the point you can't tell where the armor/"flesh" stops and the machinery begins
It could be spun as a symbolic uninon of man and machine or something

Though truth be told I'd prefer to have them be more like centaurs or 's pic than bikes

The suspicious is spectacle and the lie is only a theoretical inspiration. The temporal myth is man.

Yea
But can ya bone it

Buummp

>What do you think other omnissian daemons would be?

A colossal figure concealed in mechanicus robes. The only portions of their body which can be seen are the light from their glowing eyes inside their hood and their hands.

Alternately, they have inhumanly long necks protruding from their hoods and heads like snakes as designed by H. R. Giger.

Giant red-robed dementors with cyborg arms. Maybe they've got more limbs and sleeves than humans like hindu artwork, only the extra arms are tipped with various weapons.

Industrial tools not weapons. Like that's going to be any better for you if you piss one off. See dead space for an example.

Whilst having Centaurs as the main Daemonic Beasts sounds nice, maybe we could continue with some more overt "creatures" like this pic.

Does this have 1d4chan page?

It doesn't fit with the other two (or three if you count ) we have so far, and to be honest, I think those "creatures" you're suggesting are kinda a stupid idea

What would you give as an aerial Angelic Beast?
Feathered Manta Rays with women's faces?

It will when we're finished I bet

If we're going for demonic angels I'd do something a mix between the two headed eagle symbol the Imperium uses and the OP pic, have it shaped sorta like a two headed harpy cast out of gold armor and flames

I gotta agree with here, those plane creatures aren't really angelic enough for what we seem to be going for, I'd say they'd be more along the lines of Mechanus, but I don't think their demons/angels would resemble living creatures so much as eldritch machinery
Those things would fit better for something a heretek would make

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>aren't really angelic enough
Slap aquilas everywhere and set it on fire. Problem solved.

So you want Big E's deamon engines to be Transformers?

Slapping a new coat of paint on it won't solve the problem user, the design and shape fundamentally don't look angelic, eldritch or winged humanoid, and for that matter it does nothing to glorify the human form like the other three we have going for

It doesn't fit the theme, hell it doesn't really fit the Imperium, it MIGHT fit the Mechanicus but as it is now it'd really feel like the odd one out. I just don't think the idea works with this

>Inb4, opinion discarded for rage comic image

Actually 's idea might work better, make them the equivlant of deamon engines rather than beasts, excuse me, "Holy machines who's machine spirit is physically manifesting", it'd probably be herasy to suggest the Imperium uses deamon engines

Let him make his own opinions user
And I probably should have deleted that post anyway, I changed the direction I was taking the post halfway through and I already attached the pic, it doesn't really apply as much anymore

>post
Pic, I meant to say pic
It's late and I'm making typos, night folks

Drawanon chiming in. I do think it's important to reflect the mechanicus and humanity's industrialization in the daemon designs. Humans got some crazy fucking machines. But doesn't feel rustic and metal enough. There needs to be more Victorian influence, too.

Why not weaponized statues of heroes or floating energy spheres surrounded by orbiting rubble of famous shrines.

I personally think that the beasts should look like knightly female humanoids mixed with terminator armor, the tusked kind.
Have them be more like strange, daemonic gorillas.

Any progress on your drawings?

Not really, no. I've had family things the last few days. Only just started working on the steed a few minutes ago. This is all the progress I've made.

Big E is a the fifth Chaos God in this setting?

>Imperial Spawn
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Someone, gimme Magnus' number. I found the long-lost recipe of his favorite pizza.

>Big E is a the fifth Chaos God in this setting?
More like a Order God. I doubt he'd go full Chaos.
Speaking of which, the fuck happened to holy Terra? Is there a gigantic Eye of Terror in the middle of the galaxy now? Did Big "Not God" E go "I'm making my own Treehouse and it's going to be so much better than yours because I have gold paint"?

I now have an irresistible urge to combine this with TTS-verse. KMP.

>KMP.
What?

>Emperor goes full god from his itchy nose but proceeds to deck Tzeentch in the face. Making him a bigger threat than what he was last time.
Perfect.

Kill me plz.

>There a point of no return and we clearly have passed it.png
Imagine Decius' face when he realizes that he has to retcon the Imperial Creed all over again...

My guess is Terra gets pulled into the Warp when Emps ascends. Everyone there becomes a daemon or dies.

So, living saints?

"Warp Daemon" doesn't and shouldn't translate to "Tryhard Persona Tier Garbage"

Wondered where exactly you were going with the head, I like it

I'd fuck that stallion, what with her glimmering ebony coat and rippling muscles.

So if all warp gods get daemons, where's the Daemons of Mork and Daemons of Gork? Where's Isha's Daemons?

Remind me of these cyberpunk monk warriors.

Getting raped by Slaanesh.

>gorkamorka
they don't want to make any; that would mean giving up tiny slices of their power, and they can't have that in case one gets an edge over the other in their fight.
>Isha
Isha Mau practically be a Great Unclean One at this point with all the shit Nurgle's pumped into her; but it's safe to say that Papa stops her from manifesting any.

You wish it looked half as good as them. The only thing remotely the same is the color scheme

Okay, we're starting to get lewd. We need more discourse on Imperial Daemons.

Cool aesthetic, fuck me if I ever understand what the hell this game even was.
But considering it was based on a near-wholly homebrewed system & setting, I should have expected worse.

>Isha Mau practically be a Great Unclean One at this point with all the shit Nurgle's pumped into her; but it's safe to say that Papa stops her from manifesting any.
If Isha starts psychically manifesting mutated, mutilated, things that are force to live despite everything about them saying they should not, then she'l likely changed her name to something other than 'Isha, Fertility Goddess of the Elder'.

>True names
I've already given my thoughts on True names >Greater Daemons
I think they should be formed of fanaticism and faith/submission to the (new) Imperial creed like the other demons, though the they are by far the most extreme
As for forms I think the Greater Daemons should be the most eldritch and biblically angelic of the lot, though still heavily based on the human form but still very much of the "Tells people 'BE NOT AFRAID' when they're not gonna fuck shit up" design

>Daemon Prince(ss)
The vast majority are going to be SoB, simply because their fanaticism and faith grant them the quickest path to daemon princesshood (and even for those who fail, daemonhood), though any man with sufficient faith and zealotry can reach these lofty height

>Lesser Daemon
As noted above the vast majority are former Sisters and their forms usually reflect that, though in general they all resemble golden humanoids, usually armored though the specifics vary from angel to angel
As for the vast majority of human souls that give their life for the Imperium every day, they don't become their own angels, lacking both the faith to earn that reward and the fanaticism so easily warped into an angel's mindset, they are used as the raw soulstuff incorporated into and used to uplift more noble souls to angelhood and there are quite a few angels that are little more than amalgamations of a multitude of human souls refined into lesser daemons


>Daemon Steeds
I think building off of the centaur idea we have so far, they should be various rideable halfman beasts,based on both humans and the beasts of burden they subdued, they are not fully sapient, though no less fanatical, "Blessed is the mind too small to doubt" and all that, they just know that they exist to serve those who have been deemed worthy of their submission and do so gladly

Nothing to object to in here.
Maybe expand the "DO NOT BE AFRAID" concept of Greater Daemons to be based around the fact their presence instills a sense of ending, that human's souls are about to be sent to the Big E in the Warp Heaven.
They rarely ever are summoned outside of battle so when they do have to talk to mortals, for whatever reason, every other word is reminding them to be scared.

>Do Not Be Afraid! I have come at the Emperor's command to save you all.
>>Oh, grand-
>Do Not Be Afraid! I will lead you to glory in the Emperor's name.
>>I-
>DO NOT BE AFRAID!

So how is Chaos and the other races of the galaxy reacting to all this shit? Eldar shitting themselves as usual? Chaos annoyed? Tau confused?

Well since this whole thing is hella Mary Sue, everyone is probably shitting themselves to death and begging humanity for a chance to suck their giant, flawless cock

>everyone is probably shitting themselves to death and begging humanity for a chance to suck their giant, flawless cock
>Implying all foul xenos weren't doing that to begin with.

The Tau likely have no idea what happened for a long time. They are far away from Terra, and have almost no connection with the Warp.

The Eldar would be shitting themselves. I imagine there would be a wide range of opinions amongst the different craftworlds about what to do with the humans now. Some may suggest using them to try and wipe out Slaanesh/Chaos, and others might propose doubling down on their efforts to end humanity.

Chaos would be terrified. Humans are their primary source of emotional fuckery at this point, but now the Emperor will be sucking up and redistributing human souls. He also has an even more major presence in the Warp now. He can actually launch armies and crusades against the ruinous powers from within the Warp itself. Meanwhile, remnants of humanity are rallying around their new and growing god, making the Emperor even more powerful as time goes on. Plus his daemon army would be getting very sizeable, what with how quickly humans reproduce. I imagine if something isn't done to curb big E's advance, Chaos would be screwed.

>Chaos
Angry/Gleeful. Humans are now encroaching onto their territory and perhaps even wiping Chaos from existence by stilling the parts of the Warp they inhabit / They welcome the inevitable corruption of mankind.
Expect: "You deal with Angels, so why not deal with Daemons" logic.

>Eldar
Angry like a motherfucker. And when they come around warning humans that their Angels are actually Daemons they usually get blammed for heresy.
Imperial-Eldar relations are borked unless the Humans are on the rim, away from the propagation of these Angels.
Officially the Imperial warnings of Eldar now also warn of how they blaspheme even more.
Big E doesn't need the Eldar for the Webways since he can carve them by hand in stilled portions of the Warp.

>Orks
>'Umies are bigger, better, shinier!
>>We need more boyz! We need Gork! We need Mork!
And thus did Humanity force Orks into evolving. Not only do they breed so fast that it is possible to see the deterioration of planet's biosphere over it's solar rotation.
And with most of them psychically manifesting their own gods around them, you need daemons to deal with them.

>Tau
Not much will change for a while.
They will develop defenses/offences against Imperial Angels though, if they ever encounter them often enough.

>I imagine if something isn't done to curb big E's advance, Chaos would be screwed.
Perhaps Chaos pulling out all the stops and doubling down on the temptation game?

I like to imagine that Chaos wanted to keep things as stagnate as possible so they could basically milk humanity for all the emotional fuckery that it's worth, but now that we have Manly Manperor Warp Man tearing shit up they need to get their shit together.

Or Worse. Chaos Eternal.
Imagine Khorne and Tzeentch embodied as the same entity. An infinitely calculating powerhouse armed with might and magic.
Or Slaanesh and Nurgle. Infinite temptation to indulge in pleasure and plagues.

Chaos losing all division and becoming a frothing maelstrom from which anything and everything can spawn from.

HFYfags need to leave

>Daemon beasts
I think you've got it pretty much right on for their creation, as for the Emperor's thoughts on the matter, I get the feeling that the (mortal) Emperor has lost complete control at this point, the mix of humanity's growing psyker nature, their faith in the imperial creed, and the ever increasing feedback loop now that imperial demons are manifesting born from the faithful is causing humanity to develop in a way he never even dreamed of, it really depends on whether or not he's ascended and become an amalgamation of his former self and the thoughts of his worshipers reflected in the warp or pushed to the side by a newly born warp god.
As for physical appearance of the beasts, I say go for the same theme I suggested for daemon steeds, or make them based on various half human mythological creatures, still glorious humans, but also animalistic minds at best and lessened for it
As for the imperium's view on them, as I said before, "Blessed is the mind too small to doubt" and the beasts know only to serve and do their duty

>Unaligned Daemons
I honestly didn't know these were a thing, the Imperium kill them on sight though and I don't see "converting" other daemons likely


>Possession
I'm not actually sure how I'd say to take this, at the very least it'd be seen as a blessing and something YOU DO NOT try to resist, though that feels like it'd make it too easy and common, though it would never leave the 'afflicted' unaffected, and I wouldn't be too surprised they'd often die in the end, or simply self destruct due to not meeting the angel's standards
Perhaps have the difficulty of this be from the angel's side, they actively DON'T like possessing humans of insufficient faith and purity?

>Perhaps have the difficulty of this be from the angel's side, they actively DON'T like possessing humans of insufficient faith and purity?
Or maybe don't like doing it period.
Deamonic possession always fucks with the human form in some way and any alteration to the human form on purpose is fuckin heresy. It's why they try so hard to look human in the first place, the form is glorious and shouldn't be disgraced.

>Daemon weapons
I think it might be seen as a way for angels to better aid those who have show to be great boons to the Imperium on the battlefield, or those who have earned an angel's counsel could be used for punishment though, letting them fall into the hands of mortals who have shown they can do a better job than the failure of an angel/steed
As for appearance, they should look holy, albeit through the Imperial lens, so fire, skulls, and aquilas

>Chaos Spawn
Probably looks like someone tried to draw one of the biblical angels and fucked up, real badly, killed on sight as a "mockery"

>Daemonhosts
See possession, haven't thought much on it, though not wanting it is a REAL BAD thing to do

>Daemon-Possessed Vehicles
I'm not actually sure the Mechanicus would survive these new devlopments long term, if the Imperium is rising into even greater hights of fanatasism, they may not have a choice but to tolerate this lest they want war with Terra,

>Pacts
Haven't put much thought into it

>Maybe expand the "DO NOT BE AFRAID" concept of Greater Daemons to be based around the fact their presence instills a sense of ending, that human's souls are about to be sent to the Big E in the Warp Heaven.
This is a good idea, they see it as a good thing and the mortal should too

Chaos a mix of FUCK YES! and Oh fuck no, I get the feeling the Emperor becoming a chaos god would be (one of) their potential endgame goals, though this is going in a direction they never considered

Eldar would be shitting themselves, it's suddenly become a LOT harder to work with humanity

Tau wouldn't know what was going on, would either think some new tech or just WTFing at all the new bullshit

That's something I hadn't considered, probably a good reason

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