Nids vs Necrons, who wins?

Nids vs Necrons, who wins?

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Full-force 'Nids? Like all that mystery shit hiding in the background?

Sure, total war scenario where each brings everything they have

you had one job

The Necrons by far. If the Necrons were actually able to muster everything they have, they could beat everything. Including Chaos probably. Their main weakness is that they're scattered and most of them are still asleep.

Alright, how about currently awake forces vs the hive fleets?

can nids even eat necrons? pretty sure the crons take this

user, every faction has a win button:

>Necrons all wake up
>Nids arrive here with all numbers
>Orks unite
>Imperium un-JUSTs itself
>Chaos breaks Cadia
>Tau... well no there's no way for the Tau to win

Currently, the Necrons but it would be devastating.

However, the Necrons are running out of time. If the Tyranids keep consuming the Milky Way Galaxy at their current rate, they will be too numerous for even the Crons to take on.

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Obviously, but I think the Necron win button is stronger than the Tyranid win button.

>less than full galaxy of crons
>full galaxy of nids
>possibly multiple galaxies of nids
>cronswin
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the problem is that we dont know how many nids their are. a small fraction of the nids was able to eradicate most of the imperiums navy. and the imperium is bigger than the necrons are or ever were.

crons dont have a way to replenish their losses.
nids do.

Crons have a machine that deletes suns and one of them has stable time travel. They're capable of anything.

Nids. Because they're wearing santa hats.

i dont believe you.
cronfags think that crons are way stronger than they actually are. and they invent all kinds of bullshit to exagerate their power.

>crons are sleeping on everyworld on the galaxy!
no they arent
>crons have roflmao levels of technology
no they dont
>crons can all wake up!
no they cant
>crons can be united against the nids!
no they wont

the fact is that crons are fragmented. weak. and unable to replenish their losses.

nids are united, strong, gettting stronger

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Machine that deletes suns.

"Gardeners of the galaxy"
Well they've evidently fucking failed, considering all the major weeds that are growing everywhere.
Sentient shrooms, various pests, and so on.

Tau need to hold out until everyone else implodes.

>>crons have roflmao levels of technology
>no they dont
You're right about the other points.

>and unable to replenish their losses.

Necrons can replenish their losses much more effectively and efficiently than Tyranids by miles. The Canoptek Scarabs breaks any material into pure energy and then configure that energy into new Necrons or/and cenoptek warmachines. In a war of attrition, the Necrons will always win since the Tyranids will only keeo losing biomass while the Necrons will build momentum as Tyranid corpses and pretty much everything on battlefield is harvested to fuel the Necron warmachine.

>>Imperium un-JUSTs itself
By far the least realistic.

Necrons seem like they have the easiest job, literally solved by a galactic alarm clock.

Except for the fact that they need to unite as a faction.

Initial battle? Necrons, easily, since the tyranids will take a moment to recognize the non-meat enemies as enemies.

Prolonged war? It entirely depends on how quickly the crons wake up. Hive Fleets arrive relatively slowly from outside the galaxy, but tomb worlds don't awaken on any reliable schedule.

Nah, Tyranids have the easiest. There victory is an inevitable thing, while all the other factions have to accomplish something really hard to win.

Basically, if no one else reaches their win-con, Tyranids win by default.

Sadly, they're going make chaos win
>fucking chaosfags

The dynasty involved in maintaining it is surprisingly benevolent and non-interventionist.

The purpose of the machine isn't to end sapient life or even to fuck with the warp, simply to prevent the galaxy from falling into its core or shaking itself apart.

Nope, Chaos is the easiest. They just need the Emperor to die (and he is dying) or for the walls of reality to collapse due to human's psychic awakening wreaking havic.. The walls of reality can no longer hold back the tides of Chaos in Age of Ending.

Tyranids are too late for the party. Chaos already has won.

I hate liars. The dynasty the Orrey belongs to is an expansionist dynasty that is a rival of the Sautekh and seeks to outdo their conquests.

They still need to actually get to Terra and kill the Emperor, no easy feet. That's what all the books have been saying. That Abbadon needs to kill the Emperor to win.

Tyranids auto-win on arrival. Abbadon still needs to do something. Ergo, Tyranids have it the easiest.

They don't need to. The walls of reality is breaking as more and more psykers are being born and a lot of are exploding into psykers.

There is a bloody reason why the Emperor said that the Chaos Gods have already won because nothing can stop what's going to happen. Abaddon succeeding or losing affects nothing. The Chaos Gods will have the galaxy regardless.

No, they are isolationist because they lost a ton of their core worlds and can't stretch their resources or else they can't defend themselves.

Sautekh just hates them because they don't share and because of MAD they can't just challenge them like the others.

exploding into warp rifts*

Except that's wrong

Also they know Imotekh is an asshole so by extension they dislike Sautekh.

They could wipe Mandragora off the map if they wanted but they choose not to, because they aren't dickheads.

And posting the lore. What gets in people to make them lie like that?

Except it's not, they got fucked update during the great sleep and are just trying to keep the other Necrons from stealing their shit.

They used to be big a powerful but now they only have their technological advantage and no real way to extend their reach without help from other dynasties (usually with promises of power).

Stop lying, please. What are you saying is not in any codex.

Oruscar and the Sautekh are both expansionist dynasties that are rival with each other. Oruscar wants to outdo the rapid expansion of the Sautekh.

That is it.

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Please you lied enough. You

Nids
>eats biomass to become stronger
necron
>no biomass

if i had to pick one race to fight the nids, it would be the necron

They don't have the resources to be aggressive, they want a united Necron people but they don't have the military might of the Sautekh.

If they really cared as much as Imotekh does they'd just destroy his crown world and call it a day.

Also hating Sautekh doesn't make one non-benevolent, Imotekh is a notorious asshole.

Don't forget that Necrons can eat Tyranid biomass and become stronger.

Reclaiming the Galaxy=\= marshal conquest.

They could just want to unite and Imotekh is just a faggot.

Ironic, that the nids can be devoured by cold, unending, metal horde

Source what you are saying because it's not in 5th ED codex. It's not in the 7th ED codex. It ain't anywhere. It's just your headcanon.

From what we know about the Oruscar is that they are as conquest hungry as the Sautekh making them as assholish as Imotekh.

>If they really cared as much as Imotekh does they'd just destroy his crown world and call it a day.

Except the political consequences and the Sautekh response will be dire. Also using the Orrey as a weapon in quite dangerous. They ain't going to use it ever as such.

Orks already won. Their win condition is constant fighting in all the galaxy, and it is already fulfilled.

>Reclaiming the Galaxy=\= marshal conquest.

Except that's what it entails. The Necrons considered with reclamation are all about conquest and war.

Stop with the headcanon.

No, they didn't because

1) The Orks have a primal desire to conquer the galaxy
2)The Orks have a racial purpose that they must fufill and to do so they must spawn "The Beast" Ork.

It's literally in what you just posted.

Yes they are rivals
Yes they only have a few core worlds
Yes they both want to reclaim the galaxy for the Necron race

I don't know why you assume that their is only one method for that to work or that they can't separate work and politics.

Maybe against lesser races, but they are cockroaches.

It's not conquest to clear a field of vermin. It's only expansionist when fighting other Necrons for territory.
Considering the Cold War happening between the two, you can just play politics to unite the galaxy as well.

You said they are isolationist and benevolent. The text doesn't say that.

And then you claimed that they didn't want to conquer the galaxy through military means and use employ other dynasties. Guess what? The text doesn't say that.

You do know that core worlds have tons of hardware and manpower enough to conquer multiple sectors.

Damnos alone which is a lesser non-core world of the Sautekh spread its forcess across the Segmentum and the Webway in war wave of conquest.

I don't know why you lied like that.

My understanding was that Necrons are merely a servitor/slave race to the C'tan and do C'tan not have technology that can literally blow up all of reality? In that case it does not seem like any number of galaxies full of Tyranids could stand up to the Necrons.

Dude, again with the headcanon. Dude, stick with what's in the codex.

What the fluff means by expansionist is that they go around conquering worlds around them. Alien, Necron, or whatever.

And in Necron politics, you can only get ahead by gaining support via military conquests under your belt..

Get back into your time machine and fuck off back to 2010.

no longer true, but they still fought in the war of heaven, a battle so immense that it makes the horus heresy look like a water balloon fight

Chaos.

They can eat metal, but probably not of the living variety (we know that Kroot definitely can't, or at least shouldn't, though they're much less advanced than nids).

That is dissapointing to hear, I always found the idea of a slave race of terminators in the service of a literal grim reaper pretty metal.

the good news is that those necron still exist, the reason for the change is to allow for more variance for modelers, so that everyone can have more personalized armies

space terminators who harvest souls for the c'tan is still possible
arguably ANYTHING is possible, it is a big galaxy

>space terminators who harvest souls for the c'tan is still possible

Oh really? How about you cite a single example of them in the fluff. Oh wait. You can't.

Oldcron were utterly retconned from the fluff. They don't exist.

>Orks unite
The orks already united and still got BTFO by the Imperium. The Beast Arises series totally shit on orkfags. How can greenskins even compete?

fluff was made for the modeler, not the modeler for the fluff

It doesn't count. The Imperials cheated.

Modeler can create anything regardless of fluff and can break the fluff.

But storywise and settingwise, Oldcrons don't exist and have no influence. It's all Newcrons and dynasty this and dynasty that. So so much for "variance".

Just have necrons with faulty protocols, and end up being silver life-destroyers

If the Orks united again though the Imperium wouldn't have Vulcan to bail them out though...
>tfw da boyz are superior in every way

>Just have necrons with faulty protocols, and end up being silver life-destroyers

Those would be the Destroyers. Those guys just wipe life because it's their fetish. They specfically been said to worship nothing and hold nothing dear except their desire to end all life.

It will have Russ, the Lion, Vulkan, and Khan to bail them out this time.

That's how the Cron started out though - flesh to metal, metal eternal.

This thus raises a most horrifying possibility that makes this entire thread moot (whoever that is):

C'Tan take over a genestealer cult and turn the gene stealers into Necrons, wat do?

>this is what orkfags believe
You also wouldn't have The Beast or prime-orks.

Actually, the ending of the Beast series points at Ghaz being the next Beast.

I gotta give it to the nids, even though i love necrons.

The nidfleet is essentially galaxies worth of mass. Even if it was entirely inanimate, the galaxy would be reduced to black holes and fire by the fleet reaching our galaxy.

The necrons can't do much about that besides leave and wait until the nids are gone.

Necrons control space and time in the galaxy. They can blow up stars with star killer weapons or change the positions of celestial objects.

The Necrons control the cosmic battlefield and this means no matter how many Tyranids are there, it won't matter.

Also World Engines and Necron fleets in general.

Tyranids, as far as we have seen, have nothing that can deal with a World Engine.

The World Engines would just cruise towards the Hive Fleets and scythe them out of space with impunity.

user, it doesn't matter if you can explode stars, that mass is still coming at you, and you requiremore than the collective fusion output of the entire galaxy to redirect it.

Best necrons could do is timefucking themself to after-nid galaxy.

youtube.com/watch?v=Ep_1k-lOto8&feature=youtu.be&t=507

The numbers of the tyranids are pure speculation. But if they are indeed as numerous as most think, then everything will be devoured

I think we are arguing different things.
Yes, the necrons can kill the nids. No, the necrons cannot stop a multiple galaxy collision.

>Oldcron were utterly retconned from the fluff. They don't exist.
look at the Destroyers and the Destroyer-lords.

They are by full definition Oldcrons in nature.

Don't bring real science into 40K. The writers don't care and I sure don't.

nids
>cant devour necron to replenish their mass
>cant replenish from their own dead due to gauss rule
>have no inertialess drive
this sounds like the exact opposite what nids should fight

Even if the nids were literally inanimate rocks and gas, the sheer mass of multiple galaxies hitting ours would be cataclysmic.

Carnac, is that you?

Yes, they can. They can use the Breath of Gods to erase the galaxy from the space time continuum. Then after the Tyranids are gone, they would recreate the galaxy.

Destroyers are damaged and mad nihilistic Necrons that giggle and laugh as they slaughter the licing. Plus they worship nothing and aknowledge no master but their desire and pleasure in ending life. You guys seem to forget that only Necrons with a hint of sentience can become a destroyer. All of them are sentient. All of them are jibbering lunatics.

How are they Oldcrons again?

I don't think crons can do that, as they didn't when they were at full strength.

And that would require turboloads of energy to be done and released to prevent the entire galaxy from blackholing.

Nice you will tell me that the Tyranid harvesting planetary biomass is wasteful and that they could gain much much more biomass by harvesting stars.

>army consisting entirely of inanimate rock and gas
good idea for an amry?

Considering multiple factions implosion include the total destruction of the galaxy I think it's not very feasible.

not really because the c'tan are still blown up

the proper way to have redone the necrons to allow variety (for the unimaginative) was to say that half the lords that woke up decided to give the c'tan the finger for betraying them and went off to do their own thing

bam, multiple editions of plot not retconned, necrons can have variety, and the c'tan are not so all powerful since they're now in a civil war to reclaim these turncoat legions of necrons, and the necrons arent the new comic relief race

Really, nids harvesting biomass makes them significantly less deadly than they could be if they just mass accretioned the galaxy into a black hole.

The "Breath of Gods" steals cosmic energy from the hearts of stars in the future and the past. Then it uses the stolen energy to create planets, systems, and with enough energy, a whole galaxy. The C'tan and Necrons wanted to use this device to fill the void between galaxies, creating bridges between galaxyes, to link the universe.

But back to the issue at hand. The Necrons can erase the galaxy from existence by draining all the stars in the past. If there is no galaxy, Tyranids won't come. Problem solved.

This 100%.

So, they timefuck themselves -and- expend a large portion of the galaxies lifespan to avoid nids?
I am not even sure that is worth it compared to timefucking and waiting for nids to pass.
Like, I would need a lot of figures like how much energy the array uses, how much mass nids consume, how much is wasted for propulsion, the frequency of nid pilot errors, and more.

Just a bit of information. The link the universe project was put under a halt after the Necrons betrayed the C'tan and went asleep. For those wondering why they didn't complete the job.

Is it ever not?

They're the meme version of Oldcrons, who weren't actually bent on destroying all life despite popular belief. The Severed are also often pointed to as modern-day Oldcrons, but whether that description fits them depends on whether you define Oldcrons solely as being mindless killbots.

Carnac is correct in that there's no official support for C'tan-serving Newcrons, though it's not expressly forbidden either. But with all the race's wider fluff being rewritten as it was, you can only reproduce an approximation of Oldcrons on an extremely small scale now (which I guess is enough for some).

>erase the galaxy
>wait out the Tyranids in a dimension isolated from time and space so the paradox won't inconvenience them
>return to the home reality
>recreate the galaxy from zero

It's a genius plan.

Or better yet. Let the Tyranids enter the galaxy and then erase it. The time distortion made by the Breath of Gods would remove the Tyranids as well from existence.

user, they explicitly use the galaxies energy to run this device.
Quite frankly I think it may cost more to use than letting nids eat the galaxy and move on.

>though it's not expressly forbidden either.

1)Anti-C'tan Protocols
2)C'tan shards being mostly feral and being too mentally stunted they cannot take command of Necron stuff above the level of service scarabs
3) Necrodermis is Living Metal

The cost doesn't matter. It's better than having someone else ruin your galaxy. Control your own fate sort thing.

>The Severed are also often pointed to as modern-day Oldcrons, but whether that description fits them depends on whether you define Oldcrons solely as being mindless killbots.

The Severed are programmed by the computers to act like ordinary Necrons. So basically theyu would be like the False Necrons.

And The Sarkoni Emperor acts like your typical Necron overlord.

FYI.

Alright, alright, I'll give you a reply this time.

>1)Anti-C'tan Protocols
Which is why all Newcrons have been proven to be 100% immune to C'tan influence.

>2)C'tan shards being mostly feral and being too mentally stunted

Current codex, C'tan Shard of the Deceiver entry:
>A master of mistrust and lies, the Shard of the Deceiver entangles his foes in webs of illusion in order to lead them to their doom. Reality and perception are its playthings – the god-fragment prefers misdirection and trickery to outright force, taking pleasure in turning its foes against one another, or wallowing in their despair before finally crushing the life from their frail bodies. Falsehoods uttered by the shard have plunged whole systems into crippling civil war, and even seen entire species become prematurely extinct.

>3) Necrodermis is Living Metal
It sure is. Just like power armour is ceramite.

I really don't know if it is better, is my point.
Like I said, they need some fucking necron... Accountants(?) To calculate the cost of the device vs the cost of letting nids remove top layers of planets.

>Which is why all Newcrons have been proven to be 100% immune to C'tan influence.

That was a full C'tan and even then it couldn't corrupt them to (re)serve it.

C'tan Shards are weaker and much dumber than the original C'tan. Notice a Transcendent Shard of the Burning One couldn't break through the protocols of the Starflame. What was the reason given? That despite it being powerful, it was but a splinter of a greater mind (Dumb as brick). Also Anrakyr used a glorified muzzle on the shard to focus its ADD mind to boost its power.

>Falsehoods uttered by the shard have plunged whole systems into crippling civil war, and even seen entire species become prematurely extinct.

Not sure what you mean by this. This could have been easily been done under the direction of the Necrons.

>It sure is.

Glad that you admitted your mistake.