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Is the terminator captain in the start collecting box worth using in a proper game? i feel like a librarian is a better hq choice and even if I went with a captain Id go with artificer and a jump pack if i really wanted deep strike.

I understand the discount makes the set still worth it but it seems like a waste

Take a primaris psyker/librarian(if super friends) and roll on biomancy.

Staff is best as it has the most synergy with iron arm and warp speed.

Sang Priests.

>user is so desperate to prove he's not a kissless virgin he decides it's worth it to get b&

:^) Keep being wrong, mate!

But he doesn't get to write whatever he wants. GW and its IP manager tells him what to write.

GW management went up Guy Haley's ass over the Black Templar numbers. You think they didn't put ADB under a 24/7 Overwatch as he wrote about their "main character".

user just because you can take a picture of your sisters topless doesnt mean shit.

>no time stamp

Cuck.

So what? I am just human. But I am mostly right and your post doesn't refute anything I said. Open you dexes.

>hippy chokers
>mosquitoes bites
>ugly as shit
>GSC

fucking disgusting degenrate

How much did you pay them?

He wrote at the end of that book that he wasn't under any guidelines, so he wrote what he want. GW might change it at a later date (like when Goulding said SoS don't exist in 40k) but that doesn't mean he doesn't write what he wants.

>paying hookers to get naked so you can prove a point
>getting b& to prove a point
moron

You said GW book so don't move the goal post.. And AoS books are GW.

In AoS GW defaults to BL being canon.

So point was proven.

>literally admit to making shit up
>literally admit to being ready to brag that the shit you made up turns out to be right

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Hey folks. I'm that guy from a couple threads ago thinking of starting some wierd hybrid army of Tempestus, Sisters and Inquisition. I'd like a few pointers, or clarifications I guess.

From what I've read, this is the strengths and weaknesses of each army

Sisters: Strong mid range/close range firepower. Mainly a gunline army. Must use each specialized troop wisely. Middling survivability. Relies on Rhinos nearly entirely. Is blob viable still?

Tempestus: Quick, with access to Valkyries and Deep Strikes. Seem to work best as Allies, with a few squads of suicide Meltas and a backfield command squad. Tauroxes are good but squishy. Army seems to feel like it relies too much on reserves rolls.

Inquisition: I've not read the Agents book, just the leaks, but they seem mostly unchanged. Crusaders/Priest/Death Cult are the best use here, in your transport of choice. Use Inquisitors for special purposes ie. CC fucker in Malleus or Conversion Beamer backfield asshole.

So how do I tie all three of these together? Or at the very least, two?

>GW and its IP manager tells him what to write.
Except that's wrong. he litterally says otherwise at the end of his books.

>Chokers
Yeah I'm good thanks mate

>wasn't under any guidelines, so he wrote what he want.

Mind posting the excerpt? Also novels don't get changed that drastically in future edits. The Emperor acknowledging the supremacy of Chaos is forever.

bt you have yet to go through every GW book. you've gone through a very small minority of them.
until you go through every single book GW has published since the creation of BL and objectivley show that they default to BL being canon, you have not fulfilled my requirements and as such have not proven your points.

It's not making shit up. It's calling stuff based on what we have at hand.

Seriously, you like a exicted puppy now.

>There was no mandates on what had to be included and what needed to be excluded, but I went into it with a fairly tight focus on the things I wanted to show, and the things I wanted to avoid at all costs
>I want to show
>I wanted to avoid at all costs
>I
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He wrote what he fucking wanted.

>Some cucks still trying to defend SAD-B

kill ur selfs lmao

>cuckbois complaining about hot af chokers
Lol stay mad

>Y-you just paid them
Implying I would waste money on hookers that I need for buying more little plastic army men

>if what you said is true
>then I would be right

You were making shit up and you were happy you might be right. We all know what you are, Carnac, the question is, what do you get out of doing this? I mean, you get (You)'s and people might appear to be annoyed, but apart from that, what else?

We only have to go through every recent GW book and novel or at least during the time of when GW tightened the editorial control over BL.

And by doing that we see they conform to what's in the novels. Point proven.

>We only have to go through every recent GW book and novel or at least during the time of when GW tightened the editorial control over BL.
not what I asked for carnac. either go through ti all or STFU.

Oh god it's the guy who wants (You) from me. I should have known. No more (You)s for you for while.

GW sometimes ignores what BL write and sometimes they don't.
There's little rhyme or reason.
Look at the Traitor Legions fluff, they ignored swathes of the BL stuff and kept some stuff like Omegon.

not him but
>carnac
>accusing anybody else of saying shit for (You)'s
HAHAHAHAHA

I have no idea what you're on about, but even if I did, that's not an argument. Good job avoiding a question. I heard from somebody on /v/ you like to boogeyman, maybe that was the guy you're talking about.

Crusaders/priests/death cults are in the sisters list as well as the inq, if that helps.

>Do not use spoilers to hide porn or any NWS content.

>>criticizing mosquitoes bites
>with that specific reaction image
oh, the irony

I already did. I have gone through most of BL's output in the last 5 years.

And GW conforms to what's in the novels mostly. For example, the Admech codexes are filled with references to the Priest of Mars series. Like the name of plot device and main villain.

Also BL only characters were mentioned in the new Index Astrates. Khayon and Lyras were named as major players wih Abaddon in the Ghost Wars.

etc etc.

I'm coming back into 40k after a few years out, and is blob guard more viable or are masses of tanks better?

It's okay user, I saved your picture.
FUCK OFF MODS.

>I already did. I have gone through most of BL's output in the last 5 years.
A) that's not everything they've ever published
B) actually post the proofs carnac

Both work, afaik.

But Pask is my husbandu.

LG explains it well. In the case of a contradiction, GW reviews all the material at hand and then decided which is the most logical and consistent route to go with.

>this guy thinks only one person hates him

God fucking dammit. I wish I was this delusional. It'd be fucking bliss.

Sisters best unit is the Exorcist. They're also good due to lots of Melta and Flamers for anti-blob and anti-vehicle. The problem is that they're stuck with Rhino's. If you can, buy Repressors, they're superior to Rhino's and Chimera's and can be used for Inquisition and SoB iirc.

I would use the SoB for artillery and tank busting. Scions for priority infantry target destruction (artillery and shit behind ADL). Inquisition for gimmicks. If I remember correctly, Inquisitors can get Conversion Beamers that DON'T have a debuff. But that might have been fixed. Warbands are neat, but they nerfed DCA 2 editions back.

Imperial Agents epub?

>implying i watch anime
i'm not a gay m8

>corpse-worshipers mad because they don't get to be snowflakes anymore
You don't know how much I'm laughing.

And I said recent BL. Because older BL was a mess with everyone writing whatever they want. In those days the BL could easily be dismissed.

>post the proofs

Open the Admech codex and ctrl-F "Breath of Gods".

There is another example in the Dark Eldar codex where the characters of the Dark Eldar path series and the event are mentioned.

>c.811.M37 - The Ghost War

>During the long years of the Seventh Black Crusade, the full might of the Blood Angels Chapter falls upon a vast Black Legion warband on the world of Mackan. Although the conflict ultimately ends in the near-extinction of the Blood Angels at the hands of Abaddon the Despoiler and his primary lieutenants – the sorcerer-lord Iskandar Khayon and the swordmaster Telemachon Lyras – the Blood Angels Reclusiarch Thalastian Jorus becomes one of the few Imperial heroes to ever land a blow against the Warmaster of Chaos.

>With his Chapter devastated, the Chaplain endures weeks of hardship in the wilderness and the constant trials of keeping his crazed warriors undetected on Mackan. When the time is right, Jorus leads his Death Company in a lightning raid behind enemy lines, butchering the unprepared sworn warriors of the Despoiler’s honour guard, and allowing the Reclusiarch to lock blades with Abaddon himself. It is said the Warmaster still bears the scars of that battle, even three millennia later.

>Whatever the truth of the matter, it is known that the Despoiler honoured Jorus once the war was over – perhaps in mockery, or perhaps with nothing but sincerity. After Mackan, hundreds of Blood Angels corpses were desecrated, their gene-seed ruined beyond recovery. Of all the Chapter, only a handful of bodies were left undefiled: Reclusiarch Jorus and his Death Company, clad in their battered and broken black ceramite, seated in makeshift thrones made from the armour of those Black Legion warriors they had killed on that fateful night.

-Death Company (Index Astrates).

...

eh?

This is Iskandor Khayon. A popular Thousand Sons/Black Legion character who is the main hero/villain of the Black Legion series.

>we have complete internal consistency, because we are inconsistent enough to just change things with contradictions, rather than prevent them.

What

I do not understand this "Horus Heresy" series. Why doesn't Magnus, the largest Primarch, not simply consume the other Primarchs?

This sexy mofo is Telemachon Lyras. The friemeny of Khayon and Abaddon.

Him and Khayon got a mention in the new Index and you know why? Because GW knows that ADB's writing is top notch so they include his based characters.

It's Laurie Goldberg, nothing he says or does makes sense.

>Index Astrates
>Recent

Astartes, not Astrates, idiot.

Why has the O disappeared?

The entire book was fucking awful. The best thing is? He outright admitted he knew it'd piss people off. 95% of the players of the game are pissed off. Only Chaosfags aren't. Well, I say the aren't, but every single one of my Chaos friends hate it because it's so fucking awful. They complain that it makes Chaos look like a fucking joke because despite having all this super OP shit, they still couldn't win the heresy. They hate that the Emperor is a pathetic weakling, despite all the old fluff saying he was super powerful and Orks respected him and shit. They hate the 'First Murder' daemon. They hate how ADB had to tie in the fucking sword. They hated how every Chaos faction is just about OK, with Night Lords and Word Bearers being fellated till the cows come home.

are you illiterate?
nobodies complaining about the imperium not being special snowflakes. this is purely about BL fluff being shit. MoM ruins chaos space marines too as it makes the entire heresy a sideshow. CSM mean absolutley nothing in the new fluff, they're just an added bonus to the real goal of destroying the web way. horus' betrayal, the ruinstorm, the black crusades, magnus' actions in WoM, the world eaters many invasions of the imperium and so on all mean absolutley nothing since chaos has already won.

You're arguing with Carnac. He regularly uses Laurie as an example, but Laurie Goulding is a fucking retard. Caranc will also ignore the fact GW thought Goulding was a retard writing "hur dur SoS don't real any moar!!".

>"Goldberg"
>Doublethink

I guess it really does go hand in hand. Pol was right again.

>Why has the O disappeared?

youtube.com/watch?v=gjuWKAMAlQU

>Only Chaosfags aren't
I don't know why. the actions of the CSM mean nothing now. all the black crusades mean dick, since chaos has already won.

so what's wrong with the new book?

Why has chaos already won?

Honestly don't give shit about black library

Any speculation on how sales of new thousand son plastics have been going?

I'm predicting come 8Th edition rules update thousand sons will be the strongest legion because reasons.

To answer your question, he's not the worse choice you can take. Kit him up with a bunch of assault terminators/vanilla terminators, deep strike with the aid of teleport homers and go to town on something. Is he useful in every list? No, not at all, but as I said before, he's far from the worse choice you can take.

If you're handy with the greenstuff/or if your opponent isn't too picky, just say that is your librarian in terminator armor. Or failing that, he makes a spiffy terminator sergeant if you ever run terminators.

everything.
40k bassically means nothing now, since chaos won win magnus accidetally broke the webway. everything after that is pointless

It's pretty much shit. Maybe you could use it in gladius strike force to tax yourself 30p.

Sang priests only work for Blood Angels

explain

What? The Chaos Gods and the CSM are separate entities. The former want to keep the status-quo (as much as I hate how BL treats them as a single unified entity that has the same endgame), the latter want to overthrow/destroy/conquer the Imperium for a myriad of reasons. Not a single one of the Black Crusade nor Blood Crusades have ever tried to fuck with the webway.

What ITC tournament is this from?

>they still couldn't win the heresy

The Chaos Gods didn't care if Horus won or lost. Their objective was the Webway. Also it's heavily hinted that they are angling to get Horus to lose because remember the Cabal vision of what will happen if Horus won. Chaos would be weakened by his victory and his suicidal grief when destroys mankind.

Also Eldrad and council of seers admit that the Cabal forsight is greater than even Eldrad's farsseeing ability. So these guys knew what they were on about.

My only issue with ADB is that he ripped off Be'lakor with Drach. He should have included Be'lakor as the opponent of the Emperor because they are mirrors of each other.

because the chaos gods real goal was destroying the webway. not killing mankind, not destroying emps, not having horus win, not wiping all life out, not destroying the universe. now, it was stopping the webway project.
chaos has achived it's goal before the heresy even started.

Battleforces and stuff like the Armored Fist boxes next month are the GW version of "sales".

>Pol
Wew

How can I be more efficient with this list?

I'm told Boys with shooters are only slightly less point for point efficient than Scatbikes.

Karamazov gives Re-rolls of Morale and Pinning checks to people within 12 inches. True, that makes Commissars less than ideal, but it also means I get 2 re-rolls for Leadership tests and I don't have to worry about keeping Karamazov near the two blobs at all times. The Priests are for re-rolling wounds in my case.

>all the black crusades mean dick, since chaos has already won.

Actually, no. The Black Crusades were mean to elevate their true champion who is Abaddon.

Horus was the puppet whose fate didn't matter to the gods.

>"The war is over, Diocletian. Win or lose, Horus has damned us all. Mankind will share in his ignorance until the last man or woman draws the species' last breath. The warp will forever be a cancer in the heart of all humans. The Imperium may last a hundred years, or a thousand, or ten thousand. But it will fall, Diocletian. It will fall. The shining path is lost to us. Now we rage against the dying of the light."
- The Emperor

>"The war is over. Humanity has lost. Warhammer 40k - in all its Gothic, towering, Cylopean, decrepit, doomed, rotting Byzantine majesty - has taken its first irrevocable step."
- ADB, BL Author

Chaos has won even before the first Black Crusade, before the HH is even over. All because the Webway is fucked.

Also, ADB wrote some contradictory stuff. He wrote in one bit, that the sacrifice of the pyskers was needed to power the astromonican and this was actually a lie or some shit because it was simply to prevent humanity becoming a pysker race because that would mean humanity goes the way of the Eldar. Then ends the book by going "Imperium is sacrificing it's future for the present by sacrificing it's pyskers". So, which is it? Either the Imperium is right to kill the pyskers to prevent us being raped to death by daemons, or they're not looking to the future and leaving them alive would be better.

In short, every faction bar Chaos is utterly pointless in 40k. Chaos has won way before the HH was even over. We're also pretty sure we're going to find out that Horus lost because the Chaos Gods already won and did it for shits and giggles. Or some contrived shit with Pius or some bollocks.

Necrons, Orks, Tau, Eldar and so on are utterly pointless. Their existence is pointless. The Tau rising up? Pointless. Chaos won before they even existed. Orks uniting? Nope. Chaos has already won. Eldar? Chaos has already won. Etc.

See above.

Depends on your local meta. For example if your local group plays maelstrom missions primarily, blob guard might be a touch too slow to contest objectives (can be handled with deft objective placement). If your meta is full of fast, aggressive lists, all tank armies will find themselves dead in the water by turn 3. Hybrid isn't a bad idea too

>the latter want to overthrow/destroy/conquer the Imperium for a myriad of reasons.
and you think they'll achive that goal? if the goals of the gods and CSM aren't aligned, then right before CSM win they'll withdraw their power and watch as abby gets slaughtered. just like with horus. The chaos gods already won, everyone including the CSM can go suck a dick.
thanks BL.

So why is that an ultimate victory condition? I mean, if the chaos gods ultimate goal was decimating Louisiana, and they did, I would admit they won that battle, but what does that have to do with winning the war?

Oh wait you are right. I didn't see that Priests had the Zealot rule. Commissars are pointless then.

Who cares? Chaos already won. Why do you need a new champion when Chaos won before Abaddon ever got to the EoT? Why kill the Emperor when Chaos has already won?

How does this list fair? I'm getting them for Christmas

(x3) Armoured Claw
(x1) Valkyrie
(x2) Heavy Weapons Team
(x1) Cadian Command Squad
(x1) Start Collecting! Militarum Tempestus
(x1 obviously) Comissar Yarrick

What should I add for

If chaos has already won, why are they still fighting?

>The Black Crusades were mean to elevate their true champion who is Abaddon.
wrong.
see chaos already won. black crusades are just for shits and giggles

oh I already know that
I thought the new book fucked something up royally

Why the trukks?

forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Valkyrie-Vendetta-Conversion-Kit

Chaos destroyed the webway because the webway would have severed mankinds need for the warp. With that, mankind could have lived on without the worry of Chaos. Chaos stopped that so that mankind would be reliant on the warp and as such hang around for them to leech from. That's it. They stopped the webway being fixed, so the last 10k years has simply been Chaos enjoying the fruits of their labour.

That was the goal. To make sure that humanity couldn't 'leave'.

But you left out the nids. The great devourer comes, and it shall eat chaos.

Why would they not? They are the literal champions of the Gods. An unified humanity under Chaos launching massive crusades against the filthy xenos in the galaxy and beyond is a thousand times better than the current status quo. I know at least Khorne would support it.