>What is /awg/? A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks. /hwg/ doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to very specific games, so this thread isn't tied to a game, or a genre, lets talk about fun wargames.
Any scale, any genre, any company, any minis. Skirmishers welcome. Rules designers welcome.
>Examples of games that qualify en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_miniature_wargames Mighty Armies, Dragon Rampant, Of Gods and Mortals, Frostgrave, Hordes of the Things, Songs of Blades and Heroes, and anything that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread (gorkamundheim).
Last thread So the last thread after I posted about the problems with the Dystopian Wars Kickstarter. This led me to wonder, what does it take to run a successful Kickstarter for a wargame? And more specifically, are finished models needed or can you just have renderings of them?
Has anyone played Maelstrom's Edge? I saw their ad on dakkadakka. I've literally never even heard of this game before but the starter set is about $120CAD and comes with terrain, which seems neat. The models look pretty good imo.
How are the rules? Fags make you pay $10 for the digital rulebook if you don't buy it in the box set
Robert James
God damnit when are the japanese going to get here for k47?
Nathaniel Campbell
Pretty sure its a dead game. I remember they did a KS for it, and then nothing afterwards.
Adrian Anderson
That's too bad. I found a Let's Play from earlier this year on it, doesn't seem terrible but I'm only about 12 minutes in and the game hasn't actually started yet. kek
Gavin Nguyen
is this where my thread has finally run it's course? Page 8, 4 replies, no picture replies.
This thread is a shadow of the monster that I created so long ago.
Camden Torres
Its Saturday night.
Luke Martinez
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Dylan Cox
I dug up the GMG Let's Play to look at it. Looks like I never finished that video.
Michael Lopez
The last /awg/ thread was slow too but was up a week.
Anybody gave this a whirl yet?
Lucas Mitchell
>$90 USD starter kit >comes with about 20 man sized minis and about 3 slightly larger minis
I don't know, I think Deadzone looks better, the rules look tighter and the terrain looks way better
Elijah Davis
>Deadzone
literally WHFB in space >space undead >space orks >space skaven >space dwarfs
Lucas Davis
nothing you posted invalidates my opinion that the rules in deadzone are really tight and good and that mantic did a fantastic job with their modular scifi terrain.
Hunter Taylor
And?
Caleb Thomas
Holy shit.
Got any more project pics abusing their terrain/building sets?
Levi Moore
sadly, this terrain was built by mantic for a convetion to show off what is possible if you take out another mortgage on your home
there are lots of angles of this oil rig but I haven't come across anything more of this terrain system
Aaron Thomas
I don't have any pictures, but there is a set of videos on youtube by the Terrain Tutor building a generic wargaming scenery for a table he built for charity. Was a desert table and he used the pieces not only to build the cube based building, but made some other scatter terrain with it too. Ventilation vents and stuff like that.
Anyway, I find that watching people build scenery is immensely satisfying. Kind of brings the whole hobby to life, if you know what I mean.
Levi Flores
>take out another mortgage on your home Eh? I thought their sets were pretty cheap
Dominic Phillips
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Julian Morgan
>They snuk Ronnie and Fisty Glue Man in there gotta love Mantic
Guess he meant to say if you buy that much it's getting expensive.
If you don't build exclusively with Mantic plastics you can stretch the milage you get out of it more and for most games you don't need more than a handful of buildings with three levels at most usually.
Andrew Brown
not if you're building an oil rig like this
terrain tutor is ok, he's a bit of an insufferable cunt personally but he makes damn good terrain.
I wish that nobody told me how loud he is when he breathes in, because that's all I can hear now.
terrainaholic is a guy on youtube I used to really like, but he cut down his amount of videos a lot, and now he's done a ton of lets plays with his wife
at least he stopped using his iphone to record his laptop screen
Grayson Barnes
>he's a bit of an insufferable cunt personally He rambles a lot and takes forever to get to the point. Don't think he's a cunt though. What makes you say that?
Another great channel for scenery porn is Terranscapes
Cameron Powell
>Guess he meant to say if you buy that much it's getting expensive.
yeah, that oil rig is about a 4x4 cube of plastic bits, overly dense for even a necromunda game
Terranscapes is ok, I find that his content lacks a lot of the punch that other terrain videos usually have, for example I think his best series is the rapid fire critique
>he's a bit of an insufferable cunt Some of the opinions he expresses is beyond kid gloves, and stay away from the facebook group, shadow bans without reason and what not
Jeremiah Ross
>Terranscapes is ok, I find that his content lacks a lot of the punch that other terrain videos usually have, for example I think his best series is the rapid fire critique Yeah most of it is just a documentation of his projects, but I really enjoy that. The rapid fire critique is something that you can just watch without context. Great for wasting ten minutes on youtube and also interesting because people rarely - or at least I rarely see them do it - try to get feedback during building scenery like they do while painting a miniature. It's pretty educational. And got me pumped to start building stuff myself.
>>he's a bit of an insufferable cunt >Some of the opinions he expresses is beyond kid gloves, and stay away from the facebook group, shadow bans without reason and what not Fair enough, I never watched his live streams nor do I use facebook a lot. I just keep to watching his scenery vids and those are mostly pretty good.
Posting official Necromunda scenery for comparison cause it seems relevant.
Nice. I've been hoarding building materials for Mordheim/Frostgrave buildings lately.
I've been pondering if I should leave a 1-2 inch border around the bases of houses as sidewalk. But then you kind of have to plan ahead which building you can put right next to each other. You'd kind of give up a little modularity for some eyecandy.
At the same time you can build roads with the negative space between the houses though instead of putting them into the table or laying them down by hand.
Chase Jones
it's not mine heh, but it is easily the most inspiring piece I have, something about that little bridge makes me pine for necromundheimgrave games
Joshua Flores
Not a fan of Pinterest othwise, but it's a goldmine for scenery porn
Camden Perez
it's alright
Nathan Watson
depends on what you are looking for of course.
Isaiah King
grinning fat doofuses next to dick-hardening terrain is what I need of course
Nathaniel Wood
(it's a paper crimper which he fed a can into)
Jason Rogers
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Joseph Thomas
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Christian Fisher
> Bretonnian Fortress > Sticks a Breton flag on top
kek.
Wyatt Davis
>WHFB >literally historical Europe in fantasy >muh original setting
Joshua Rodriguez
if you like the miniatures just buy the box and then user free rules such as onepage:
I am still kicking myself for not buying some of that terrain during their Warpath Kickstarter. I would love to see them do something similar for fantasy. Maybe when they decide to KS new Kings of War factions?
Christian Lewis
soo - I tried to start a Wrath of Kings General, and that didn't last too long. Anyone in this thread play it or hoard it?
Dylan Taylor
I'm grudgingly holding onto my KS pledge even though I know I'll never convince anyone to pick it up.
Brayden Carter
My FLGS owner trolled me the other day.
Preface: I have been rather outspoken against AoS since GW nuked WHFB, and have steadfastly refused to play AoS after the first weekend of rules release.
Last month, I bought some WoK minis, and got some people to agree to play next month to get a feel for the game.
As I am in the store, chatting with people about it, my FLGS owner leans over the counter, and stage whispers "You know you are playing Age of Sigmar now, right? Medium army sizes with skirimish rules ... hehehehehehehe"
Anthony Campbell
>Age of Sigmar >Medium army sizes with skirimish rules
>Age of Sigmar >rules
eh, some people actually enjoy sigmar, idk, I only play random old games older than me and obscure pdf releases anyway
Camden Collins
I think that the difference is that WoK actually requires thinking.
Liam Reyes
>So the last thread after I posted about the problems with the Dystopian Wars Kickstarter. This led me to wonder, what does it take to run a successful Kickstarter for a wargame?
You need to have a solid concept, something that hasn't been done twenty times already. Having a big name (either the company or a designer/sculptor) that potential backers can trust is pretty much mandatory.
And more specifically, are finished models needed or can you just have renderings of them?
At least some finished and nicely painted models so people know that you're not just bullshitting them with concept arts. A render isn't a finished model and there may be a massive gap in quality between the two. Spartan Games gets something of a pass on that one because their costumers know that the 3D renders are trustworthy (pretty much the only trustworthy thing about SG) but even then that's very light.
Evan Jenkins
>this game with 4-5 small squads is the same as the other one with 4-5 small seuads because 4-5 small squads Hey guise, Bolt Action is Age of Sigmar.
Your FLGS owner is a dick, plain and simple.
Aaron Thomas
I dunno, I like Deadzone but I wouldn't describe it as tight or solid.
It's fun don't get me wrong but the rules are pretty janky.
>literally WHFB in space
>implying thats a bad thing
David Bell
Did you play 1st or 2nd edition? I heard the new edition was a significant improvement.
I've been really interested in Deadzone, but Infinity kind of filled it's potential space in the local stores.
Anthony Murphy
What are the problems wit the kickstarter exactly? are they failing?
Only other kickstarter I've thought about backing were The OtherSide by Wyrd and dropfleet commander.
Juan Collins
Skaven as a whole, some of Chaos and Elven stuff, and the Vampire Counts (not as vampires or necromantic armies, but as vampires leading necromantic armies) are pretty original ideas. I'd call Skaven and their take on Vampire counts almost seminal.
Easton Jones
If you'd look around I'm fairly certain you'd find folk tales, myths and legends with EXACTLY those in them.
Gavin Robinson
Yeah he's a dick and I suspect he may be severely deprived of oxygen but he's kind of right. WoK is basically AoS but good, unfortunately it has a weird aesthetic that puts a lot of people off.
That and CMoN couldn't provide decent support for a miniatures game if their lives depended on it and the post KS prices were less than stellar. I mean I was happy with what I payed for the minis but I dunno if I'd be as pleased if I payed twice as much.
Easton Watson
2nd, never played first.
From what I've heard 2nd is a lot better but I don't really have a frame of reference.
Julian Cox
He was trolling me, y'all.
David Evans
No, they are 200% funded. The thing is, they could be 1000% funded if they didn't fuck it up.
What are the problems? >No advertising beyond "Hey, here's our kickstarter" on the official website >Fire-and-forget kickstarter, very few updates >Quite unprepared, you can see they were cobbling together stuff to say in the updates >We still don't have the renders for everything even though it's supposed to be 99% finished
Basically, it was 2000% Spartan Games. "Hey we got a cool idea, wanna join? We have no long-term plan, medium-term plan, short-term plan or plan in general. But you should jump in, it's going to be fun, take our word for it." When the company already has the reputation of being the ADHD-cursed "special" kid of wargaming, making a kickstarter that only prove just how short their attention span is wasn't a very good move. It only funded because it's a glorified pre-order for their most popular line.
Dylan Moore
>be a massive autistic >do an autistic thing >"was just trolling, bro!"
Anthony Turner
Not the guy you're responding to, but Skaven seem pretty original for me at least.
Vampire Counts as lords of the night and all that, mixed with undead and such, well, MAYBE it was a used concept, but not the skaven
Robert Ross
The "humanoid animal" shtick has been done to death with every animal imaginable long before that.
Ethan Sanchez
Are Song of Blades and Heroes and Dragon Rampant good introductions to Fantasy wargaming? They both seem pretty light in comparison to things like AoS, WMH and KoW.
I've grabbed a bunch of minis from a couple of lines (mostly AoS and KoW stuff, some Hordes, lots of D&D board games) and being able to use them together appeals to me. But is there enough depth in these systems that the units will feel unique? Is the figure-agnosticism the only benefit of using these standalone systems?
Anthony Moore
You can't get any lighter than AoS.
Henry Young
AoS shitposting just on the cusp of 2017
and here I thought you faggots had matured and grown up
Thomas Long
I don't think that is right. AoS has simple basic rules, but the complexity comes from all of the individual model rules which is what makes the game take longer to play than WMH and KoW.
Brayden Peterson
Go back to the contamination zone of AoS general if you don't like it.
The rules are light, and you don't need every special rule, only those you have models for.
Charles Powell
Yeah both those systems are excellent
Hudson Hernandez
>Go back to the contamination zone of AoS general if you don't like it.
Jokes on you ass clown, I STARTED THIS GENERAL AND I STILL PLAY 40k AND AoS AHAHAHAHA
AHAHAHAHA
YOU'LL NEVER ESCAPE GW, NO MATTER HOW MANY OUT OF PRINT PDFS YOU READ YOUR SOUL BELONGS TO ENGLAND
Chase Lopez
Both are great choices. ASoBaH has really straightforward rules and supplements for things like campaigns, and every unit does generally feel unique once the special rules have been put on. Dragon Rampant is a similar affair, but with more indepth rules. Don't listen to the AoS posters user, GW's game designers are consistently the worst in the market.
Noah Howard
>he says grow up >then writes this Okay friendo.
Ryan Moore
And in the case of AoS, you will have a lot of models each with a lot of special rules. It verifiably takes more time to play than a game of KoW or WMH.
Adam Bailey
>YOU'LL NEVER ESCAPE GW, NO MATTER HOW MANY OUT OF PRINT PDFS YOU READ YOUR SOUL BELONGS TO ENGLAND
No it doesn't! I mean sure, every single wargame I have played was developed and produced in England, but... wait a minute minute...
Isaac Gonzalez
I'm gonna pay China reprinters for my wargame rules so I can escape the grip of the UK.
Elijah Clark
Or play Infinity. Or With Fire and Sword. Or...iunno, there are plenty good non-UK wargames.
Christian Cook
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Connor Hernandez
bump before bed
Ian Gonzalez
I feel like a lot of why it feels rushed is because they were supposed to be doing a Kickstarter for their ANOTHER Dystopian War line, this time with 15mm minatures. (Because they are doing SUCH a great job of supporting their 28mm line already.) The only thing that stopped that idea was that every single reply to their initial thread was "Why Spartan, why?" So who knows, it could have been they were really prepared for the other Kickstarter idea but then threw this one together after they relized they would never reach their goal.
Grayson Bell
And this is coming from someone who has backed the Kickstarter for $300. The only thing that keeps me from playing another game is the fact that I love the setting (Victorian Era alt-history), I love the models (Especially ones like pic-related that incorporate buildings into the design), and I love the fact it is one of the few games that tries to portray combined arms instead of just focusing on air, naval, or land aspects. The biggest problem is the sheer incompetency of Spartan games in things like what said.
Blake Adams
Can anybody think of some good cheap ganger or raider models in 28mm for This is Not a Test?
Jason Anderson
I think alt-history is pushing it, next to nothing in Dystopian Wars is grounded in any reality at all.
Dylan King
Fair enough, but I think that Victorian science fiction with stuff based on actual nations is pretty neat.
Christopher Jenkins
I don't really see realism as being a prerequisite for alt-history, at least alt-history of this nature.
Lincoln Garcia
tiny 15mm bump
Blake Lopez
Tiny 10mm bump
Carter Johnson
my dick can only handle so much. We diamonds now boys!!
cool, i can dig the vibe! What minis and what rule set you recon? Would be nice as a small skirmish post bio-attack setting
pic related, that in MDF is my dream
Samuel Torres
Hey /awg/, can you name your pros and cons for Frostgrave?
I realize that its somewhat like Mordheim, but not as deep. So kinda Mordheim "lite"? Do you enjoy playing it?
Joseph Mitchell
>What minis and what rule set you recon? I couldn't say what minis for certain but you can get similar Hazmat dudes from:
> Hasslefree > ThunderChild > Ramshackle Games (sort of, see pic related)
For ruleset, there's plenty of post-apoc skirmish stuff like:
> Nuclear Renaissance > This is Not a Test > Wreck-Age
Jaxson Anderson
these guys are 6mm user
Luke Torres
hot fuzz skirmish game?
Cameron Phillips
>bases not supplied. shown here based on metal disks
>metal disks
why didn't they just say washers?
Chase Roberts
They clearly meant Iron Maiden CDs.
Adrian Allen
>why didn't they just say washers? Lol check out granddad with his antiquated appliances
Colton Harris
You're gonna need some harder metal than that for bases.
Nicholas Morgan
>Dragonfarce >hard metal
You must choose 1 to continue.
Noah Powell
>thatsthejoke.jpg
Connor Cruz
>want to play figure wargame that has nice models and is not warhammer >go back to warhammer in the end every time i am lost ain't i
Lincoln Bennett
>>go back to warhammer in the end every time
Why though?
Levi Harris
>pic related, that in MDF is my dream If that is 28mm you should swing by 4Grounds and check their store out
Liam Johnson
I had this urge until I started playing Kings of War with my friend. Rules bickering, long drawn out turns and constantly having to remove models from large units have gone away and we can spend more time on drinking beer and playing the game.
Hudson Brooks
4G is really nice, but its expensive.
If you are lazy and rich then thats fine i guess, but if you don't mind painting a couple of houses you can buy cheaper mdf buildings and paint them yourself.
Ayden Stewart
But I like my games lasting 4+ hours!
Bentley Lee
Play 2 games.
Caleb Thompson
It allows me to justify all the terrain I've bought and built since we can switch up the map a few times in a session. Also try out different units more often.