Is there a Pathfinder sort of thing for 4th?

Is there a Pathfinder sort of thing for 4th?

as far as I know there is no wildly popular yet objectively worse version of 4th

No, unfortunately

I wish 13th Age didn't suck

Google is your friend, OP.

But short story no, long story people are doing retroclones like Strike and Open4E, but due to a lack of OGL there's no actual 4.5 system out there.

Close enough for my purposes.

What's wrong with it?

Heh, yeah I want a successor that fixes issues, not makes more of them.

>as far as I know there is no wildly popular yet objectively worse version of 4th

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>Heh, yeah I want a successor that fixes issues, not makes more of them.

What issues do you have? Each "successor" put a bit of a different spin on the game. some considered issues the others considered features and vice versa.

13th Age is a pile of good ideas inextricably tied to really bad ideas

It really should be grid-based, the caster classes are far stronger than the martial classes due to how the defense systems work, the way AC works means that any class that needs strength, charisma or intelligence is automatically weaker than classes that use dexterity, constitution or wisdom, most classes have miniscule options available to them for a 3e/4e clone and humans are ludicrously OP compared to other races

That said, the design philosophy behind druids and monks is fucking brilliant, the icons are fantastic, the escalation die and the mechanics surrounding it is wonderful and the fluff they've provided is super fun to read through and makes for a campaign setting on-par with the best from DnD

Why don't you just play 4e?

>What's wrong with it?
Bad math, bad martials, bad execution.