Warhammer Fantasy General

That would mean giving attention to Bretonnia, giving them more novels, more lore, an army book. That's stuff you have to take away from Chaos.

Because unlike the cowards of Chrace, the Dwarfs have managed to diminish the Greenskin threat.

Looks like TMS has one out of every three knights as lady knights.

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I can't wait to see these as models.

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Wait, is your pic from darkest dungeon ? The style looks like it but I've never seen that guy before

>>left handed

Looks like the only thing that is male only is non-Damsel characters and the Peasants.

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Karak Hirn. It's close enough to just about every Old World faction that they can fight them or have reliations with them - the only dwarves closer to Bretonnia are Karak Norn, and they have so little fluff it's not even funny. Most all the other Holds are more isolated in the Worlds Edge mountains.

Naw, punched Warhammer Fantasy on Tumblr while looking for inspiration and found that. Also found that the guy who does the Skaven female porn did one of Malekith fucking Alarielle.

> Also found that the guy who does the Skaven female porn did one of Malekith fucking Alarielle

link ?

To see how close they come to art you can check their Tomb Kings.

Necrosphinx art.

Necrosphinx product.

soulfein.tumblr.com/post/154337504981/warhammer-the-true-king-a-warhammer-fantasy

Check his other Warhammer stuff, he does good shit. Warcraft too.

Here's his art of Nef's old model.

Nice, thank you

No problem. Oddly enough this guy'sstuff isn't on Rule 34, just the Skaven, Daemon, and Lizardmen porn.

Yes, that's a precious discovery indeed my friend

psssh...nuthin personnel sigmar....

Hey utelgi, how do you have a Phoenix King if we still have his crown?

These are a major feature in the WFRP 2e book - female knights pretending to be male. The only 'out' example I can think of in canon is Repanse d'Lyonesse, though.

One of my PCs has a band of friends whose families are mostly vassal knights of his own father, and they have one uncomfortably comely pal that may or may not be a woman.

Seems TMS is going by T9A lore, which is just using the most badass part of the lore and emphasizing it. Like there's no mention of a coming End Times or being drowned in Beastmen, just a great description of the Wild Hunt and alien nature in Sylvan Elves. Undying Dynasties took inter-kingdom warfare and "get the fuck off my lawn" and jacked it up too.

So Brets will probably lack the gender roles and duping via Elves and instead have peasant zealots like The Redeemer's cohorts and knights who make Silver Helms look like Savage Orc Boar Riders.

I really like the gender roles shit that's in the RPG. I loathe how fantasy just assumes modern ethics. It's much more interesting to grapple with alien ideas and see how and why people adhere to them in a given narrative.

An amusing quirk of Bretonnian gender stratification is that female knights are almost never revealed before dying or being critically wounded. The official story is that the gender roles are so baked-in that no one can conceive of a noblewoman taking up the lance, but it's implicit that there's a degree of willful ignorance in this too - that is, Bretonnian chilvalry will politely accept the fiction as long as you plausibly pretend to be a man.

Is there any player finder things out there? Want to play. So alone

suptg maintains a game doc at the link in this pastebin (Veeky Forums thinks it's spam) pastebin.com/PutTvy1r , but not all of those are Warhammer, obviously.

Molester sisters unrelated.

Horny sisters make me wonder: why were the Sisters of Battle considered more tonally fitting for 40k than the Sisters of Sigmar for WFB?

Though not as present in models for either game, 40k seems to have more female warriors possible in its lore than WFB does.

The sexes are not equal in Fantasy, for the most part. It's not considered generally appropriate for women to fight as mercenaries or regular soldiers, especially if they're nobles, and while it does happen, it gets the stinkeye.

This is tolerated even less in Bretonnia, where a woman who wants to fight for a living must disguise herself - the notable exception being the shepherdesses of Carcassonne, who are fierce and respected (to a degree) even by nobles.

We don't really know about Bretonnia and Tilea, but considering they worship a warrior goddess, Myrmidia, it's possible they are more lenient, or at least have sanctioned spearmaidens.

Kislev is explicitly egalitarian - the Ungols really have no time to waste thanks to their largely-nomadic lifestyle, and even the Gospodars have the remnant of the same sentiment, plus all ice witches being women.

Fantasy Veeky Forumsers are more likely to sperge at the idea of "wimmin, fighting?!" than Sci-Fi Veeky Forumsers. See: Every month Veeky Forums there being at least one thread on how any woman fighter break user's suspension of disbelief.

I wish there was something more to it, but that's pretty much it.

Sorry, that should be ESTALIA or Tilea.

>this is my first year on Veeky Forums and I don't know how to recognize old memes or ironic shitposting

Actually, for a fantasy setting, WHFB is generally fairly egalitarian. Elves, Dwarves, Ogres, and some of the formerly human factions (Tomb Kings and Vampires tracing back to Nehekhara being obvious examples) all make fairly frequent use of female soldiers at every level. The Empire and Bretonnia officially are male dominated but various works portray this more along the lines of 's "So long as you can pass yourself off and put the effort in nobody's going to pitch a fit" (ex: 2E Bret RPG book, Blackhearts omnibus). Kislev and Chaos are both p-much "We work with what we have" (even pre-Valkia there were examples of female Chaos Warriors in novels such as the Gotrek & Felix series), Lizardfolk and Orcs it's ambiguous as to if there's either any physical sex or if so whether it matters…

Skaven are generally the only faction that thematically hard-codes "No girls allowed".

Nehekhara still had some strong gender stratification - women aren't allowed in the priesthood, for example. The dwarfs are by no means egalitarian: their gender roles are highly set and honor-bound, and while you CAN shirk them, doing so shames you (and dwarfs shun nothing more).

High and Wood Elves are fairly egalitarian, but they're not human. Druchii are largely male-dominated, particularly in soldiering, but there are cult and magic-related exceptions.

I swear I read something once about a group in the priestesses of Valaya that wore armor and carried big two handed hammers. I thought it was in The Great Betrayal, but I've never been able to find it again/remember where exactly I read it.

Am I just wishful thinking?

Dwarves very, very rarely allow their women to fight, and I can think of only a few that have taken up a role of leadership. Mostly this is because of the lopsided gender ratio for dwarves, and how rare it is for most dwarves to manage to marry anyway.

It's not that they never have fought or been leaders, though. It's just very unlikely.

Which is odd considering the Contract between the Nehekharans and the Divine was through a mortal woman. Admittedly the Nagash series was odd so some people might just go "Pass" on it. Or did you mean Mortuary Cult, not Priesthood overall?

Druchii are male dominated in the matter of soldiering, but there remain examples of females from raider to corsair to blackguard and it's also debatable whether the dominance is due to the preponderance of women that can fight who join the cult of Khaine or the other way around (that a lot of the women who can fight but aren't allowed join the cult of Khaine).

Point being that there's lots of clear cut examples in WHFB of women being allowed to fight in various roles.

This was generally what I meant about the Dwarves. The lopsided gender ratio over the years and overall decline of the race seems to be the main thing leading to the current status quo, which makes sense when you think about the fact that Dwarves are probably even more on the ropes genetically than Elves.

The only point I'm making is that, in most cultures in the setting, there's a bias against women fighters that you just don't see in 40k - where everyone is equal. Equally worthless.

The Priestesses of Valaya showed up in armour but it was for show. I forgot her name but the rinn who was Snorri's object of affection did it to see him off to battle.

U FOOKIN' WAT M8.

I don't know - the dwarves are very much traditionalists, and even if change were forced on them, I imagine they would be slow to change their society with it. I think that their rules about courtship and women must have been around for a long while, before the current decline.

I find the idea of armored priestesses kind of cool - they aren't expected to fight, but are prepared to. I know of at least one fluff occasion where a dwarven princess was able to kill four goblins with an axe before she was slain.

Would anyone care if I put my Bloodthirster on an 80mm by 80mm base instead of a 100mm by 60mm one? He just looks goofy on a rectangle.

The whole book Doom of Dragonback follows a female dwarf main character. She learns to fight and kills a whole bunch of greenskins. She's an isolated case though.

Though from what I recall, people weren't terribly AGAINST the idea of her fighting (except her father), so it would seem like it's not a foreign concept for dwarf ladies to fight, just uncommon?

It had to do with female dwarfs being rarer than male ones, so the few females that are around should be producing children and not risking their lives on the battlefield.

Its the writers, not the fanbase.

Sisters were written core into 40k due to the nifty artwork that Blanche did catching the interest of the writers. Sisters of Sigmar just existed, they were relatively popular with fans but the writers didn't really care so they never showed up in anything afterwards.

GW in general dislikes using female characters. Its arguable why the writers have a problem with it, but we know their sculptors avoid doing females whenever possible.

Its more about the fact that the war god is Grimnir than it is anything to do with females or Valaya.

Valaya wasn't a leader, so Dwarf women aren't either. Its classic D&D writing where the culture is explained and handwaved through the gods they worship.

No, Grudge of Drong specifies that female Dwarfs are considered inferior to males in positions of both war and leadership.

Again, Doom of Dragonback. Female dwarf MC. Leads troops. Is taught to fight. Counsels a King. No one bats an eye. Picks her own husband at the end, thereafter becomes a Queen and basically helps found Karak Norn.

Is this just a case of newer (2014) writing versus older stuff?

Sorry for being salty but 'inferior' is a strong word and rustles my jimmies.

Karak Zhufbar. Engineering genius', an evil lake, waterfall driven mechanics (environmentally friendly!) and they put ole Manletfred into the ground.

only tourneyfags would
but it will more likely give you a disadvantage than an advantage so not even that much, go for it.

Probably, yeah. Or Black Library writers not doing their research on older lore and retconning by accident.

To be fair, the Dwarfs in Grudge of Drong are assholes and are willingly siding with bullshit because it suits them politically (insert comparison to American presidential election here).

how on earth do I reglue broken off tails holy shit lads, this is gonna be my end

also I spent 40 minutes trying to glue a metal model only to realise I had gw plastic glue

pin that shit

some of their models are really a miss though, the constructs like the scorpion and those other buggers are a bit shit.

When starting a new thread, could you *please* link the the old one?

Didn't have the link sorry.

look what's a comin boys

In painting news I completed and glued all my knights panther, did basic basing on all my reiksguard and also did
a productive day
I don't have a minute hand drill user I'm ded

Glue+tissue+glue=cement. Perfect for metal.

Clever user, I'll take that icon board, here's the relevant pic anyway

Nice!

Mine are still unpainted. Also, they have skeleton heads because cheap Black Knights.

Where are these from? WFRP1?

cheers user, I imagine I will have to invest in a hand drill to get the banner back on the bannerman. skulls work, knights of Mor are pretty cool

They're from a 3rd (?) edition Supplement called the Grudge of Drong

5e. 1d4chan.org/wiki/The_Grudge_Of_Drong

Ah well there ya go.

Knew the name, but not the Edition. Even Have the Slayer Pirates and Drong himself, but not Queen Helga

>Joan of Arc
>Knight

IRL, she was a figurehead and in fantasy she would be a witch.

There was a Joan of Arc in Fantasy. The Lady told her to put on some armor and become a knight, she did to Chaos what Archaon did to the Empire.

So, how do careers work exactly in WFRPG?
I mean, say my Scout wants to upgrade to Bandit Chief; do I actually have to BECOME a Bandit Chief then? Even though that puts me at odds with some of my party?
Do I have to suddenly stop being an adventurer then or what?

Repanse de Lyonesse

hey guys was there ever some cheatsheets done for 8th edition for easy access of general rules?

>she did to Chaos what Archaon did to the Empire.
sent a nurgle vanguard so big it actually won on its own and then pressed a superweapon's button?

It's early as shit, but I wanted to toss this at you lot; Do any of you ever feel fatigued with the lore? Like some of the factions/races just feel bland to you despite liking how they look and the general idea behind them? Or like you can't quite do what you'd like to do with them because it contradicts some part of the lore and you're too much of a sperg to knowingly violate the established fluff

Not really. Dwarfs are huge on 'always do what the elders say.' Status is determined in part by age, determined by beard length. Older dwarfs are considered better suitors. Even dwarfen veterans are given sobriquets based on their venerable age.

Dwarfs don't like to break tradition. It holds them closer together than humans or even elves for the most part, but it also makes them very slow to adapt.

>Picks her own husband at the end,

This is not unusual. Dwarfen women ALWAYS choose their husbands, or at least ALWAYS have the right of veto. This lore goes back at least as far as Stone & Steel.

You have to actually RP the circumstances to get into that career.

You can always choose another exit (or be made to choose it by circumstances). Remember that you can always exit into a previous career's exits instead, and always enter any basic career at any time for 200 XP (with GM permission).

That's somewhat irritating.
Means I have to keep coming up with increasingly stupid excuses just find reasons to keep the group together.
Fuck.

I've outright ignored some of the established lore (especially in areas where it's fuzzy or contradictory) for that very reason actually.
I suppose I would feel guiltier, but GW's business practices have for over a decade now been the equivalent of forcing an erect donkey cock down your fucking throat and jerking it off until you drown in it's infected jizz and then having the temerity to charge you fourty bucks a pop AND demand thanks afterword on top of it too.

Fuck what they think the setting should be like.

>Do any of you ever feel fatigued with the lore? Like some of the factions/races just feel bland to you despite liking how they look and the general idea behind them?
Felt that way about Dwarves.
I mean I still like them better than Elves, but reading their lore is like like reading the chronicles of an angry autists rants.
He shortchanged me a schilling! He make a comment about my beard! He spilled my mead!

I get that some people like to believe that it is supposed to make them look alien from a human perspective, but in practice they just seem like a caricature of the people hanging out in GW stores.

Really turned me off of them as a faction.

user, were you waiting for the opportunity to use that donkey metaphor? It seems a little too detailed

I completely understand. I'm 100% on board with you here. Fantasy races or cultures being exagerated to demonstrate flavor at a first glance is fine, but Warhammer's lore gets tedious. Everything just ends up being a parody of itself because they apparently spell "subtlety" in the largest font Microsoft Word will allow, but I digress.

I know most people say stuff like "Greenskins being fungus is 40k infecting Fantasy", and while I don't necessarily disagree, I always thought it was more likely that there was more too it. There hasn't been a true "Warrior Society" in human history because if everyone has killed someone- at least one- that would effectively half the population in that given region, which means fewer farmers, fewer smiths, thinkers, etc. Creatures with a social structure can't sustain constant fighting. So if you're a writer for a fantasy setting, how can you get away with a race being as warlike as greenskins? Make them fungi. Make them like mold on the earth. Mold is always there, no matter where you go. Lo and behold, you no longer have to explain why they didn't kill themselves off/die of starvation!

TL;DR, I think orcs are fungus because GW is too lazy to give them any more depth than green, sociopaths cockney idiots who fight constantly and barely have a concept of self-preservation.

What I wonder is if female dwarfs ever take the Slayer oath, if it's even allowed.

And if they go tits-out for it.

is Veeky Forums american enough that I can get in trouble for posting a piece of unpainted pewter?

Depends if mods are being fags.

>Or like you can't quite do what you'd like to do with them
Not at all, from time to time I like to make up new stuff and integrate concepts from AoS and it all seems to fit fine for me

>rescuing ladies

I think there is something like this in the 8th Edition rulebook, short blurb about a damsel being rescued from Dark Elves.

Empire is just an army in Fantasy while 40k revolves around the Imperium and thus it's plausible that the bigger parts of it become armies unto themselves.

>but we know their sculptors avoid doing females whenever possible.

This is sort of funny in light of January's WD showing that not only is Celestine and possibly the Seraphim getting new models, but that there is a female Inquisitor too.

Jesus, rescuing a hostage from the druchii? That knight must have been on it like white paint on white rice on a white napkin on a paper plate in a snowstorm in Switzerland; druchii don't leave everything attached for very long.

Her proportions arent dwarfy. Is that a human who's aping the slayers? Thats a grudging!

Depends how seriously she takes the oath, I suppose. Felix Jaeger was allowed in the shrine of Grimnir, an almost unheard-of honor, when he called upon (and was answered) by the dwarfed ancestor gods while helping Gotrek recover some holy artifacts. She COULD be that badass, but it's unlikely.

>I would love for Bretonnia to have just a little more fairy tale or romance elements to it
>Some of that is in there, but it's not being fully embraced.

Err.. The Green Knight is literally a poem. Most of the major characters are inspired by arthurian legends.
In fact there is very little that you cannot trace back to medieval literature.

The background that exists is very specific in what it references most of the time, so if you are saying stuff like
>or plenty of tournaments or quests for religious artifacts, rescuing ladies saving fellow knights, totally cribbing from Greek mythology and going on surreal trips into magical lands ruled over by enchantresses or fae.
Makes me think you didn't even read the lore.
Tournaments are the bread and butter of bretonnia. There even was a mini game at some point.
Quest for religious artifacts should be covered by THE QUEST, i.e. the quest for the holy grail. Which is something more or less EVERY knight does at some point.
Greek mythology is not medieval literature so forget about that.
Surreal trips and fae are also covered by the quest for the grail. The Lady of the lake is an elven enchantress, which though not exactly fae in the setting is basically what fae are from a real world mythological point of view.

>Her proportions arent dwarfy
No. Her proportions are plausible. GW dwarves don't even have knees. They are just beards with steel capped boots underneath.
Kev White sculpts a lot more plausible dwarves from an anatomical pov.

And tbqh I don't really want to see a nude GW dwarf...