Pathfinder General /pfg/

>marriage
>shelyn
Love is free

Is it too presumptious to see if I can switch my composite blast for aimple blast and keep my basic utility wild talent as Avant Guard Kineticist? Aetheric here BTW.

Build advices requested here. I wanted to build a spearwielder. My GM said "You can use only 1pp, Companion books are ok. Martial Training Feats are ok, if you reaaaally want maneuvers and stances."
But here comes the real issue and challenge: the class must be a fighter. No multiclassing, archetypes are allowed, but it must be a fighter.
Any advice?

Well reach is best for aoo builds I guess
There is that archetype that gets you magic too...

What about a path of happiness and furfaggotry I only indulge in on my own time?

How do I Sylvanas, /pfg/?

How do I play as an Undead PC /pfg/? I want the despair I feel on the inside to be reflected on the outside. Of my character. Yes. My character.

Ask your GM.

Part of winning the game is securing the purity of monogamy with the greatest woman possible, user. If either of you slut around, that's not Justice.

>Dethroning Asmodeus

get out. now.

>M-muh Fascist Devil-King

That's not Justice

You also have to escape Pharasma.

>implying mortal words can describe the oldest being in the universe
>implying you can even comprehend the level He is on

Yeah, nah, he's just a jerk, user. There's no Ancient Inscrutable Purpose about it. Just plain vanilla dickery on a massive, divine scale.

What if I'd rather seduce Pharasma?

If that were true he wouldnt have helped imprison rovagug

Even jerks don't want to die.
Plus placing others in your debt is a classic move to try and exert coercive pressure later on. Basic stuff, user

They why hasnt he collected? Let me guess, he moves in mysteries incomprehensible ways that mere mortals cannot understand?

Check and mate.

Cheliax will fall.
The reclaiming is here.

Only amateurs collect debt

Rov would kill him, too, user.
There is a difference between being a jerk and saving your own skin, why would you even..
>sees
You are just a fucktard, ok.
Why is your DM throwing so much shit in front of you? Does the cleric need to actively preach their god's message, or lose their powers? I swear some people are just fucking dumb.
Fighter is still am acceptable, albeit weak base. You can kill shit, just don't expect great things.

No mystery, the pressure of him unlocking the Rough Beast keeps the forces of Righteousness from moving against in force for fear of facing Rovagug. He also likely uses this leverage against subordinates. Fear keeps the archdevils in line.

There's no ambiguity with Asmoe. He's Literally the God of being a tyrannical jerk. It's not hostile propaganda if it's in the brochure for the club, you get me?

He cannot do so yet. If he tries anything, he'll have at best Gorum and maybe ZK/Norgorber on his side stacked against every other non-evil major god (save for maybe Brigh) and Lamashtu/Urgathoa.
He cannot have Cheliax move as a warmachine because again all the countries nearby would start and unite together, some of the more reckless gods throwing in their support.
Asmodeus probably can 1v1 any good-aligned god, but not the entire pantheon at once.

Death to House Thrune! Death to Diabolists!

Sarenrae would suicide bomb him, killing them both.

>Trying to kill THE Archdevil through fire damage

Friendly reminder that Shelyn's most iconic appearance is the Taldan's feminine ideal.

Son, do you seriously think that a major goddess deals fire damage when she tries to kill a god?
Fucking force, son, damn. If they couldn't circumvent immunities and damage resistance, how the hell do you think they fought the 'Gug? You just know that nigga is durable as all hell.

She'd be more ideal if she was carrying my child

CAN'T STOP THE ROG

CREATION - 4716 AR STILL THE BEST

Shelyn is always the bridesmaid and never the bride, user.

She doesn't want to carry your child, she'll help you find the perfect woman currently alive and in your age-group right now to carry it instead!

....but I'm a girl....

Perfect man, then! Shelyn is the ultimate matchmaker, she'll help you find your most compatible partner!

Gentlemen, how do we make Crimson Assassin playable? All I can think of so far is using Effortless Lace. Expensive, but does manage to actually let you use dex with sawtooth sabres.

But how could any woman be more perfect than the Goddess of Love and Beauty?

A quiz to help get into character's heads.

1. What's the character's name?
2. Did they choose this name or was it given to them?
3. How's the character's relationship with their parents?
4. Does the character have a favourite food?
5. If the character was asked a trolley problem question or fantasy equivalent, how would they respond?
6. What does the character like to wear? Do they have different clothing than their adventuring gear? Why or why not?
7. What kind of music does the character like?
8. If the character is flirted with by someone they find attractive, how would they respond?
9. What about someone they don't find attractive?
10. When given a meal they dislike, how does the character respond? Do they eat it anyway? Go hungry? Order something else?
11. Does the character drink? If yes, what sort of alcohol do they like?
12. How does the character respond to praise?
13. Does the character ever plan on settling down in the future?
14. If not, is there a specific reason for it or are they just unsure?
15. How well does the character handle money? If given a windfall, what's the first thing they do?
16. Does the character like their job?
17. Is there something else the character wishes they were doing with their lives instead?
18. Does the character drink coffee? How do they take it?
19. Does the character like sweets?
20. How does the character respond to criticism?
21. What did you just learn about your character?

See

>Play first lengthy rpg campaign
>Start having a great time
>Have noticeably less fun each time I had to re-roll due to character death
>Uninterested in roleplaying as some random doofus who shows up with no connection to anything up until that point
>Would have had more fun if GM fudged dice rolls/pulled deus ex machinas to save my first character, tension be damned, to play as a character I was invested in
Am I just a giant faggot?

Not at all.
But some people on pfg will say you are and they come out of the woodwork every time.

I definitely believe that character death should be steered away from, albeit not completely avoided, in any game that expects its players to be involved in the RP at all.

>tfw I embrace character death though the DM or even I realize it was a bullshit reason

See, you're right to get attached to characters, but the DM is right to kill people to preserve tension. The failure was in the DM, group, and you not making the new character just as interesting and involved (which is hard, but necessary.)

You'd be surprised, user!

I'm trying to make a vital strike build. Does anyone know of anything from paizo that increases vital strikes?

>Big Base Damage 2HWeapon
>Power Attack + Furious Focus
>Enlarge Person / other Size increases
>Lead Blades / Impact Weapon
>Devastating Strike

>Mythic Vital Strike

I want to see how far this mechanic can be pushed.

Sounds like your problem isn't really the GM not fudging as such, but him running a high-lethality game. You can have a game with few to no PC deaths without fudging, and you can have fudging in a high-lethality game.

Did you per chance tell him at any point that you'd prefer a game with fewer PC deaths?

Warpriest has the feats to make it work.

I'd compare it to this:

Take the first Star Wars film in isolation. If Luke died when the tie fighters were trying to escape the Death Star, and then some guy who wasn't even mentioned then shows up and blows up the Death Star in the climax, It'd be pretty shit.

I guess it could be chalked up to RPG inexperience to an extent. Like I said, I'm perfectly fine for a sacrifice in tension to carry on playing as a character I enjoyed playing as (I don't play RPGs for gameplay), but I can see why it'd damped things for the other players if they caught on.

Right, I know about the whole "early entry" they get which is just a straight up buff to their damage, which is nice. Thanks for pointing it out, though :)

Use Unchained Monk, which has full BAB and better damage dice.

Also the human FCB. That's the real boost.

>Take the first Star Wars film in isolation. If Luke died when the tie fighters were trying to escape the Death Star, and then some guy who wasn't even mentioned then shows up and blows up the Death Star in the climax, It'd be pretty shit.

But Obi-Wan died. You can have a story-focused game and a cinematic plot without avoiding deaths entirely.

Obi-Wan was a DMPC. Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, C-3PO, R2, they were the PCs, and none of them died.

Right, they don't get the damage dice of available until 16+ though

Same as above

>1. What's the character's name?
Sir Darius of Widwysh [Title WIP]
>2. Did they choose this name or was it given to them?
Chosen
>3. How's the character's relationship with their parents?
He practically doesn't remember them. He does have an Elf druid as a sorta mom.
>4. Does the character have a favourite food?
Mutton
>5. If the character was asked a trolley problem question or fantasy equivalent, how would they respond?
Discounting questions about who's more significant or good, he'll probably save more people, though he will try his damnedest to save that guy too.
>6. What does the character like to wear? Do they have different clothing than their adventuring gear? Why or why not?
He only wears loose baggy stuff considering his massiveness. Sometimes his armor chafes, and he dislikes that.
>7. What kind of music does the character like?
Not the kind of guy for music.
>8. If the character is flirted with by someone they find attractive, how would they respond?
HONORABLE CHALLENGE! [Physical or social]
>9. What about someone they don't find attractive?
HONORABLE CHALLENGE...TO THE DEATH!
>10. When given a meal they dislike, how does the character respond? Do they eat it anyway? Go hungry? Order something else?
Considering he spent childhood as an outcast, he'd still eat it.
>11. Does the character drink? If yes, what sort of alcohol do they like?
Hard Ales all round.
>12. How does the character respond to praise?
He takes great pride in all his accomplishments.
>13. Does the character ever plan on settling down in the future?
Not really
>14. If not, is there a specific reason for it or are they just unsure?
Never really thought about it.
>15. How well does the character handle money? If given a windfall, what's the first thing they do?
He'd spend most of it on managing equipment and maybe his steed. Aside from that, he'll leave to someone who spent their life on bean-counting.

>1.
Amireh Faria
>2.
First name given. Last name from master.
>3.
Was poor/adversarial when her creator was living (he liked to use compulsions to get his way), but he's since died of old age.
>4.
Anything she doesn't have to chew. Likes strongly flavored foods though.
>5.
Would probably get upset with their time being wasted.
>6.
Leotards, sometimes longer dresses. Their adventuring gear includes a baggier (but easily removed) outer layer. She prefers form fitting clothes, but sometimes other things are necessary. Also vigilante disguise.
>7.
Stringed instruments and Drums.
>8.
Offers to take them to bed with her. Still does her best to something out of them because calistrian devotee.
>9.
Boorishness / trying to force others into doing things.
>10.
May refuse if she really dislikes it. Otherwise picks out things she can eat without chewing.
>11.
Has a fondness for things that mildly alter state of mind.
>12.
In vigilante, quietly. In social, usually dissembles (but still appears happy).
>13.
Probably not. Unless it's to teach. Or if she finds some places where they'll overlook her "moments".
>14.
She's killed people before and likes to be ready to bug out.
>15.
Is average. Likes luxury. May spend money on clothing or equipment. May spend some of it on opiates.
>16.
In vigilante loves being able to deceive and kill. In social, is passionate about her services.
>17.
No.
>18.
Usually has others prepare spiced tea/drinks for her. With cream and sugar.
>19.
Prefers pastries.
>20.
Hates being criticized.
>21. What did you just learn about your character?

Not a whole lot - most of these aren't related to how a character thinks or acts in regards to things.

Debatable. And what about Rogue One?If you claim it would've been a better movie without PC deaths, I'll fight you, mate

>16. Does the character like their job?
He's grateful for every moment he's had since joining the Order.
>17. Is there something else the character wishes they were doing with their lives instead?
Nah. He's good at beating people, so he'd like to stick to that.
>18. Does the character drink coffee? How do they take it?
He's tried it. He kinda likes it, but prefers stronger things.
>19. Does the character like sweets?
No. Shit gets stuck on his teeth too much. They're also bad for his tusks.
>20. How does the character respond to criticism?
He'll take all efforts to improve himself, for it is the honorable thing to do.
>21. What did you just learn about your character?
For a frightening-looking sonuvabitch, his Charisma more than makes up for it.

I'm seeing it tomorrow, no spoilers pls and yes, I know they're all going to die but the point I think he's trying to make is that the character death isn't as bad as the character replacement. Imagine if after Obi-Wan had died they just replaced him with Tobi-Gun, and even though no one had ever heard of him they just acted like it was totally normal.

Rogue One doesn't count because the story wasn't expected to continue after that point, and the fact you bring it up as an example means you don't really understand the point being made.

Nobody's saying characters should never ever die, they're saying that if a game's too haphazard with throwing death around, it hurts the story and roleplay.

But the story DOES continue after that point, just with a fresh cast of characters

1. Basil Squire/Tarkus (Kobold investigator disguising himself as a human)
2. Tarkus is his birth name, Basil is the human he's Buffalo-Billing as
3. Good terms. They helped him slip out of his tribe unnoticed.
4. Exotic seafood
5. Try his best to save everyone, but would likely throw the switch
6. Typical lower-upper class clothes for non adventures (helps to keep up appearances), run of the mill adventure gear for more dangerous work
7. Prog rock, particularly Yes (if he could listen to such music in the fictional 'verse)
8. Basil/Tarkus is ultra-conservative and borderline asexual. Would turn down the advances.
9. Turn down the advances firmly
10. Eats it anyway. Food is fuel, after all.
11. Yes. High quality single malt whisky
12. Blushes slightly, then thanks them, trying to play it cool
13. No interest in families, though he's considering starting a band
14. See above
15. Tries saving, but mostly spends it on adventure gear/whisky
16. Finds it very thrilling, and it suits his adrenaline-seeking urges well
17. Would probably calm down and seek thrills on the stage after one too many near death experiences
18. Espresso
19. Not usually
20. Will get defensive as a knee-jerk response, but will later accept it if he thinks it's valid
21. He's an insecure little bitch, but keeps it in check

>death is a problem
>pathfinder
Reincarnate is cheap.

Everyone rerolling after a TPK is pretty much a new story using the old one as a plot hook.

This is especially true if your campaign is character-driven and your PCs aren't just headpieces made to advance events.

>1. What's the character's name?
Vaegulth Iikm
>2. Did they choose this name or was it given to them?
Given to him by his parents.
>3. How's the character's relationship with their parents?
Was good, he took after his mother in terms of being a boisterous overachiever.
>4. Does the character have a favourite food?
Rabbit confit.
>5. If the character was asked a trolley problem question or fantasy equivalent, how would they respond?
There is no one path, or 2 paths, or 3 paths. Just the one you have decided to take.
>6. What does the character like to wear? Do they have different clothing than their adventuring gear? Why or why not?
He prefers silk pantaloons that end at the knees and silk vests. Showing his impressive array of tattoos and scars is important to his culture.
>7. What kind of music does the character like?
Drums and yodeling.
>8. If the character is flirted with by someone they find attractive, how would they respond?
By telling them that they can do it better than anyone before or after, just let him prove it.
>9. What about someone they don't find attractive?
By telling them they can do it better than anyone before or after, just let him prove it, meanwhile, he will find someone better.
>cont

So is Raise Dead and a couple Restorations to handle the negative levels, along with a days rest to fully recuperate. But that's assuming you still have the entire body intact.

You know what I meant, user, and don't pretend you didn't.

PF seems to love semi-monster races: skinwalkers, dhampires, planetouched, changelings.

A Dragon Magazine issue for 3.5 by Paizo had semi-undead races, so it would be in keeping for that kind of creature to be made for Pathfinder.

Dhampires already exist, so the missing ones are:
>zombie
>skeleton
>lich
>mummy
>ghoul
>ghost

>10. When given a meal they dislike, how does the character respond? Do they eat it anyway? Go hungry? Order something else?
Eat it anyway, it's a challenge.
>11. Does the character drink? If yes, what sort of alcohol do they like?
Good ale, better spirits.
>12. How does the character respond to praise?
Bashfully, praise is warranted, the deed should explain enough.
>13. Does the character ever plan on settling down in the future?
He has a plan, that plan requires time and travel. Also, he gets a stipend that goes to someone important.
>14. If not, is there a specific reason for it or are they just unsure?
See above.
>15. How well does the character handle money? If given a windfall, what's the first thing they do?
Send half home, use the rest on the plan.
>16. Does the character like their job?
Yes. Lots of traveling, new sights, heads to crack, deeds to do.
>17. Is there something else the character wishes they were doing with their lives instead?
Raising a brawlin' family.
>18. Does the character drink coffee? How do they take it?
Yes, black, but only because he likes the taste.
>19. Does the character like sweets?
Not really, it's not something he is familiar with.
>20. How does the character respond to criticism?
Takes it personally, you are challenging his pride.
>21. What did you just learn about your character?
He is tryhard who loves to push himself for fun.
But really, I knew that, too.

Okay so user here who's playing in a game as a Kineticist with a PoW-archetyped Fighter and Warlord. I've looked through some archetypes and read N. Jolly's guide and found Elemental Scion. Now I'm going aether, right, damage output might not be impressive but in terms of versatility and utility this seems like an appropriate choice for me.

How would you rate an Aetheric Elemental Scion against a Warlord and PoW-Fighter, Veeky Forums?

Rogue One is literally how a campaign would go if all the players barely cared about character RP and only wanted cool fights.
You can sum up each PC's entire character with one line and there's zero development besides main girl deciding 'okay I guess I do care about the plot'.

There are no character-based challenges in the story, every obstacle is a dungeon-crawl type 'how do we do X'.

So the ending is only fitting, there was no more potential left in any of the characters and then it was time to bring in PCs that were intended to last multiple arcs without dying.

Did you see my post for you last thread?
In particular the idea that Avant Guard trades away utility is the opposite of true: the fact you can use a number of your utility talents that used to cost burn unlimited times per day now is a huge boost, and I can't understate the potential benefits of having an at-will astral construct you can reconfigure on the fly.

I am very grateful for your help and suggestions, but the thing is, I've already created my character, background, theme, description, everything. It was all based on him being a kineticist, but if I were to go all Avant Guard that would mean I'd have to change some aspects of him and it wouldn't be the same character. In fact he was described to be really interesting, so I'm afraid to deviate too much from what I already have.
Then the Warlord came along. Not that I blame him, it's just I'm trying to make sure I can keep up with him.

That blast doesn't gain burn if you could take it already anyways. If you use it to grab your own element's basic blast for example.

Avant Guard is surprisingly similar to a base kineticist in flavor; nothing about your abilities really changes - you lose your defensive talent and that's about it - it's just that you /also/ get your astral construct on top of your normal stuff, which is just the ability to pull a golem together out of aether at its core.

I do kind of get what you mean and won't push it more, though.

Sometimes I wonder if I am better than this

>1
Awinita the Ox
>2.
She was born Awinita, but added the "The Ox" in rememberance of her fallen tribe, the Ox Clan.
>3.
She loved them when they were alive, she often asks their spirits for guidance. they dont respond.
>4.
The meat of megafauna. For some reason if feels more wholesome.
>5
She would puzzle about it then say she would stop the train herself with her great strength.
>6.
She has a few outfits, but is steadily outgowing things that arent her armor.
>7.
She likes drums and plays them herself. she's not the best but she can carry a beat.
>8.
Oh gosh she's not ready for that kind of goodness. Though she's probably over do it and ask to marry the person on the spot.
>9.
She'd get very embarrassed and then puzzle about how to let them down gently. Probably by avoiding the issue by sending them on a quest to do something imposssible.... like kill a dragon and bring back its heart for her to eat.
>10
She'd chide the cook, wasting food is bad and you should feel bad. She eats it anway then orders the same meal. Repeat this process till they get it right.
>11
She drinks often and heartily. She likes alchocol made from fruit. like Hard Cider.
>12
She beems and plays it up like it was natural and nothing special
>13
Eventually, she has to rebuild her clan somehow, but she has to prove she's strong enough for the entire clan first.
>15
She'd buy clothes. her's have a nasty habit of shrinking in the wash.
>16
She's a hunter, and works with Shalelu. She loves it when she gets to fight big beasties, but more often than not its goblins.
>17
She has no clue what'd she do otherwise. if she wasn't improving herself to be strong as an entire clan, then she'd be lost.
>18
Black, if it cant revive the dead then its not strong enough.
>19
Good golly oh mighty, does she. A sweet tooth a mile wide. However you gotta have your meat before your pudding.
20
Them's fighting words son.
21
She's a badass mage killer! 17 dispel magics!

You're not. None of us are.

Augmented Elements is a blasting patch for Avant Guard, which trades out its first kinetic blast and without it wouldn't even get a normal simple blast until level 7.

Honestly, Elemental Scion doesn't seem to do much for you.
It only increases your blasting and until level 7 doesn't give you any bonus utility over the base kineticist (admittedly, aether is the best element for base utility).
It increases your damage from d6 to d8, for an average of a whole +1 damage per two character levels. This won't even be a scratch in keeping up with warlord, or even fighter.

If you expect to ever hit level 7 it does give you an extra talent and access to the 5th level talents two levels early which is pretty great, but if you're level 2 that's a long time coming.

My old group had been pretending that they were for quite a while, now.

They weren't. They so were not.

That's just you! I know I'm worth it! I'm great and normal!

>look at me! I don't like one of the best movies of the year!

>look at me! I took the bait!

>i was only pretending to be retarded!

No, I enjoyed it.
I just wouldn't take it as an example of good storytelling and characterization in the context of what to model campaign roleplay off.

Also
>best movie of the year
>not keit-ai

Can a Skald give the entire party pounce at level 12?

Yes.

BARDBARIANS ARE THE BEST

So what are the best classes for non-combat situations?

Social situations? Bards. Investigators.
Downtime situations? Wizards.
Travel situations? Druids.

Be more specific.

Social: Wizard
Downtime: Wizard
Travel: Wizard

I guess social situations and maybe crafting

Generally speaking the full casters. That, and not combat, is generally where the problem comes from.

Locked door? Well you could have the thief do it, or you can cast knock and get shit opened up safely.

Merchant giving you shit? Not anymore, little puppet. Dance!

Need to get around some gate guards without raising an alarm? why not put'em to sleep? Or go invisible?

Long distance travel, or time of the essen~ TELEPORT we're there.

Not sure what to do or where to go? Numerous divinations of increasing power, scope and accuracy. At high levels, how will we ever find the FOUND IT, GRAB ON WE'RE TELEPORTING THERE

What the fuck is this? Identify. Detect X.