Exalted General - /exg/

>Be aware, though, that decaying a Major or Defining Intimacy causes you to roll for limit, even if it's an unwanted intimacy that you're decaying on your own.

Really? Where does it say that?

It really only applies if the characters themselves oppose their own intimacies, not if someone else weakens them for you. Here's the full passage.

Once per scene, when a character acts in a way that opposes one of his Major Intimacies, his player rolls a single die, gaining one point of Limit for each success (unless he’s already rolled for acting against a Defining Intimacy; see below). Note that weakening an Intimacy always counts as opposing it, as does spending Willpow- er to resist an influence roll supported by that Intimacy.

pg 134, first bullet point.

As long as you stay in character, decaying intimacies or paying willpower to refuse influence that exploited a big intimacy are the only ways to actually gain limit other than your trigger. Unless you've got conflicting intimacies, of course, and are put into a situation where you have to oppose one or the other. That makes limit a lot harder to acquire than in previous editions, which is a good thing.

Again though, that really only refers to a player deliberately decaying their own intimacies, rather than another character weakening them

So any general tips for a new GM starting an exalted campaign, I am starting the players out as mortals to introduce them to the system and setting. I have looked at the guide that's been posted here several times but was wondering what advice you might have in addition to that, PCs so far are the ruler of a powerful city state and the guilds lead merchant to the region ( An-Teng).

If they are rulers in An-Teng, then their relationship with the Dragonblooded is very important. What is their opinion of the Dynasty? What sort of person is the local Satrap, or the commander of the Legion? How stable is the political situation? What are the players' opinions on the Immaculate Order?

The local satrap is a very devout member of the immaculate order. Currently the political situation is in turmoil, I am basing it off of Italy during the Italian wars, one of the rulers of the various city states called in the aid of one of the Major houses of the realm in order to gain assistance against the threat of a powerful southern principality. This Dragon Blooded house then lay claim to the entire principality and called in the aid of another house to help secure its position. The two houses are now manuverong to gain total control over the southern principality and then the entire region in preparation for the civil war that appears to be approaching in the realm. Meanwhile most of the other city states are making plays for power and are attempting to unite An-Teng but each wants to be the one in charge when the dust settles.

Sounds like you've got a good situation. Just think of how the PCs might get involved and you should be good.

Ignore this

And why should we do that?

Please ignore that.

Is there anything like a modern exalted setting?

Yes, my dude. Check out Shards of the Exalted. There's one for Modern Earth and Modern Creation.

Is this Roadie's revisions for Ex3 or what

Is there any reason at all to use shields or heavy weapons? The latter seems okay for low defence, high soak characters, but the former seems to be only good for flavour.

Just from skimming it, I already see a bunch of questionable decisions and unnecessary changes.

Generally, light weapons are better because what they lose in damage, they make up for in accuracy (which translates to damage, along with a greater ability to hit) and medium weapons, which have better defense.

Heavy weapons do get a +2 bonus to clash attacks and all heavy weapons benefit from more tags than light or medium weapons, with the exception of whips.

Artifact shields usually give you a better justification for defensive evocations that most artifact swords and so on couldn't really do.

Useful if you don't want to use artifact armour for some reason.

The extra tags are Reaching and Two Handed, the latter is good if you're fighting against a horserider, and the latter is what grants +2 dice in a clash, a concession due to being unable to dual wield.

I guess it'll come down to what's available in Arms of the Chosen. Is there any word on publications yet?

The default mundane shield is a medium weapon so if you aren't running a medium weapon in the other hand, you get the +1 defense bonus of having a medium weapon and still use your one handed weapon for offense. Not a huge bonus, but if you're going a single one-handed weapon anyway, it's a net gain all around.

Secondly, the shield tag ability to Flurry a full defense action with another action is nice. The textbook use is to flurry a full defense action with a rush so you can approach an enemy without sacrificing your defense. Alternately, you can do things like flurry a full defense action with treat wounds misc action to cover yourself while you stop someone from bleeding out. A better move is you can flurry full defense with a defend other action.

So feasibly a Melee counterattack based build would be done best using a shield and a light weapon?

There's also a third tag, which consists of stuff like Smashing, Balanced, Chopping, etc. in contrast to the maybe the couple at most extra tags other weapons get.

But then, Whips and Fighting Chains get /FOUR/ tags so that pretty much goes out the window.

As for Arms of the Chosen, they decided to revise the evocation system so it'll be a while longer.

>they decided to revise the evocation system

Again? Where did they say this? Did they say what revisions it's getting or if they're include an Evocation making guide?

It was in an interview online. They felt there was a better way to handle evocations compared to the corebook or what was in the beta version, and Rich Thomas agreed and okayed it.

Do you have a link to the interview?

Yep, it's compulsory in visual novels. Girl confesses, then they fuck like rabbits to make up for lost time.

At the beginning of the month I asked here and several other places what people would like in 3e, and after several weeks and annoying IRL bullshit problems, I present to you the 3e Bestiary Version 1.0, delivered on Christmas Day as I originally promised.

Q: I don't want to use Strong type opponents
A: The enemies work just fine without them, but against a few specific enemies (Such as the Bartoll) I HIGHLY recommend using the rules outlined there.

Q: Your grammer is shit/I counted 10,000 spelling mistakes and I'm not even past the introduction.
A: Highlight them at: docs.google.com/document/d/1qA52CN4tbGbGS74qwL4LQiXE5f5lHCkk2C7dccIHF98/edit

Q: There are no Elementals/Boss tier monsters
A: I was dead set on accomplishing this on Christmas day, so sadly some things needed to be cut. The week before my flight to see my father was utter hell with the dog being sick, volunteer work, and all the bullshit that comes with dealing from a car crash. Considering I still really want to do some pokemon elementals, I'll come back to do them later, but after putting out nearly 160+ pages in about 25 days I'll take a small break.

one holiday i had was the Night of Wings, where night-moth migration patterns would lead to the entire regional island the PCs were at being dimly lit by glow-in-the-dark moths. It was a popular time to celebrate love among the common folk. one of the PCs even used this to get a social edge on confessing a (false) love to a princess. mostly looking to gain political power in marriage.

Thanks dude

>Doom demons.
>A entire X-Com section.
>Yukkuri.
This is the most autistic thing I have seen this year.

10/10. Excellent job. I'm impressed.

>heavy weapons

Clashing

>Shields

None whatsoever

An a 3e version which about stripping out all the dice tricks and stuff IIRC

Too beautiful to exist. And on time. You do realize this is EXALTED general, right user?

Why clashing? heavy weapons getting a +2 to clashes only puts the on par with single wielded medium weapons, which means that they're outdone by every other combination.

Keep in mind that most clashes produced by Charms (which is most clashes flat out because players rarely delay to set up a "natural" clash) are decisive, meaning the weapon's Accuracy is irrelevant, but the +2 from being Heavy (or dual-wielding) matters.

Wouldn't that also make them good for counter attack builds?

Weapon accuracy and damage only matter for withering, so they're irrelevant for decisive counters and bad for Flashing Edge of Dawn.

Counterattacks are also heavily decisive-leaning, but don't benefit from the +2 regardless, so heavy vs. light doesn't really factor in to that choice specifically.

I asked for raksha and didn't get one, this is the worst Christmas ever ;_;

But seriously, thanks for this. Should be nice for at least stealing from and reskinning stuff.

Don't forget about the Zerg too!

Happy to give, tis the season after all.

Yea sorry man, time issues.

I had some idea for Raksha near the end, but a week really killed some time for me as I couldn't get much done due to IRL emergencies.

Stuff involving animal raksha, A Yuki Onna based one, and darkness themed ones. Three in total.

...Oh well! Maybe eventually!

>Secondly, the shield tag ability to Flurry a full defense action with another action is nice
Nah. You still have to psi initiative to full defense, still get -1 defense, and you still get -3 on your flurried actions. That's not very good.

If I houseruled that shields can be use to flurry Full Defense with any flurryable action, including attacks, don't impose the normal defense penalty when flurried with actions other than attacks, and don't have a lower damage, would they be too good? That doesn't seem too good to me at first glance, since Full Defense still costs Initiative and since flurries would still penalize rolled actions.

Getting it out on Christmas day was one of my highest priorities.

I wanted to put several more things in there, but was basically robbed of a week and didn't have the time.

Well thanks man, your work is appreciated.

If you were using bulwark stance anyway, which is pretty common in situations where you'd want the +1 defence, it becomes -3 to your action for a +2 non-charm to your parry which is actually pretty strong.

How much personality should summoned elementals have? The description of the Summon Elemental spell makes it pretty clear that they aren't really properly defined individuals to begin with, but might develop individual personalities with time and experience. I would still assume that newly created elementals have some kind of a nature, some quirks related born from their elemental nature, purpose and other factors. So, how'd you guys handle your elementals?

In 3e elementals are newborns that know only their instinctive stuff like "my element good, other elements bad" and "master is God and obedience makes my taint feel tingly"

They are aware, but unless you take the time to teach them Pinnochio-style they are basically toddlers in adult bodies that you can use as cannon fodder without feeling guilty

I'm not actually sure if I'd consider using toddlers as canon fodders morally unproblematic, but I take your meaning.

It's like the hamburger argument. Yeah you're raising cows just to fatten them up and kill them, but if it weren't for McDonalds then they'd never be alive in the first place.

Has anyone ever played Burn Legend?

>Burn Legend

You mean Tekken: YUGIOH! EDITION! ?

Yes. Yes I do.

Played a one-shot set in Santiago. It involved Bachelet and Matthei having a confrontation on Torre Entel.

>As for Arms of the Chosen, they decided to revise the evocation system so it'll be a while longer.

Are you fucking serious?

You know I'm hoping Paradox just takes the license and gives it to someone else to start 4e.

Reminder Morke and Holden are not only liar but also self-righteous hypocritical pricks.

It's Jesus birthday! Tell me user, have they finished Anathema yet?

Not yet!

Hey man! You can't trust perfection! Let them take their time to perfect their craft!

>Hey man! You can't trust perfection! Let them take their time to perfect their craft!
Sure, in the mean time I will play Scion 2e
Please Zeus, Odin and whatever gods don't punish us by delaying it like 3E

Yeah, WoD fans fucking love what Swedish Dracula is planning for the line. We all liked Gypsies, right?

How the fuck is delaying release self-righteous?

And why are you, ironically, acting like such a self-righteous prick over it?

Honestly, it'd probably be better if people who have that much of a hateboner over the devs to just wholeheartedly embrace Godbound or Scion instead. It seems healthier for everyone.

Dice tricks do add a meaningful element to the game though.

I mean, the game has been out for like two years now, and it's still in the Top Ten on drivethrurpg.

They must be doing something right.

>Dice tricks do add a meaningful element to the game though.

Not to some people. To some people they add meaningless math and want charms that do 'unique' things rather that number tricks.

Well, first, the benefits they provide are tangible and meaningful. Excellent Strike is pretty much the best melee charm in the game. And how much math is involved in just rerolling 1s? I've played the system long enough, someone who has trouble with it /already/ has a ton of trouble counting 7-10 and knowing 10s count double.

You're missing the point with these people.

It doesn't matter if Excellent Strike is actually a good charm mathimatically. For them just dealing with only numbers and not doing something interesting is boring as hell.

Getting a larger amount of successes from a smaller amount of successes is an exciting thing though. I mean, it's possible that this may not be exciting for these specific people, but we are talking about people who get turned off at the thought of getting to reroll failures for a larger success.

Hey Veeky Forums, for the section on Leadership on page 226, what do you guys think about letting players use Bureaucracy prior to the scenes for Failure Conditions to Declare Facts about the scenario?

If you want to have an RPG with dice and stats and such, there will be some amount of dealing with numbers.This is part of the fun, even, to a lot of people. Not to all people, but to many people, and not just to crunch-obsessed autists, either. I find it kind of hard to find much sympathy for people who complain about something like that.

They're not exactly new. They've been around since 2.Xe. Usually I find these people love Infernals who have fleshed out charms in both mechanics and crunch. When Solar charms are "Describe yourself" they tend to complain

So about Infernal charm, it's actually better to cut your own arm and grow it back for a cost of 2 motes than healing its missing pieces of flesh.
That's weird.

>for 2m

That's Lunars

No that's GSP, buy WRA with Crippling keyword and grow your limb back for 2m, meanwhile you have to spend 5m to heal a missing piece in your limb.

You'd still be suffering the health level damage; they're totally separated from Crippling effects.

They want Charms to have interesting effects and feel that things with no fluff beyond "increase this number" are boring and a waste of potential. They're not mindlessly opposed to anything that involves numbers.

"Hit things harder" is an effect Solars should have, and it's mechanical execution pretty much inevitably boils down to bigger numbers. That the Charm is about the Solar's supreme skill allowing him to locate the weak points of his opponent or whatever is something that shouldn't really be spelled out, in my opinion - overly wordy Charm descriptions are a problem as it is, in more than one way. A lot of the Charms could stand to be described concisely and in purely mechanical terms, and for a lot of effects that make sense and add something to the game, these effects will boil down to modifying one number or another. It would be boring if each and every Charm was like that, but I see no problem whatsoever with some Charms, or even a lot of Charms, being like that.

Welp, I guess real life works differently

It's more that health level damage is very general. If you got hit with something that fucked up your arm specifically, that wouldn't be HL damage, it'd be a Crippling effect.

Like what? I thought Crippling is like losing your arm, fingers or elbows while lethal is like having a hole the size of a coin in your palm.
So that doesn't make sense when you can grow back a finger with 2m while you have to spend 5m to fill the hole.

>Like what? I thought Crippling is like losing your arm, fingers or elbows
Crippling effects also include getting your joints targeted, or any really 'called shot to the X' effect.

> while lethal is like having a hole the size of a coin in your palm.
Lethal damage is anything generalized enough that it affects your entire body. Wound penalties affect EVERYTHING. A hole in your hand isn't going to impact your ability to run away, really.

>So that doesn't make sense when you can grow back a finger with 2m while you have to spend 5m to fill the hole.
Charms are not purely in-universe effects and behold themselves to the rules first, shocking footage at 11.

>Charms are not purely in-universe effects and behold themselves to the rules first, shocking footage at 11.
My impression on GSP is that they act differently from other splats, like they can go on without sleep and suffer no penalty (except when they sleep) or get mote-positive when they work/run constantly. Therefore it should make sense when it costs less to cut an arm and grow it back then to heal ruptured organ.

Sounds fine to me if you want to be absolutely certain to prevent some flaws.

Holden the liar stole my pie.

In all seriousness I don't care about their frankenexalts. I'm not even bothering with 2e until muh infernals comes out.

See you all in 20XX/whenever talk of 2e drifts here again, I guess.

Which means...right now, apparently.

I mean it makes a certain amount of logic from an angry cosmic being's perspective. You can risk exposing your Charms which are actually capable of Perfect effects beyond defence on your minions, or you can shower them with things that incentivise them to keep working in conditions where other Exalts would be desperately looking for some celestial wine.

Greatest "No one wants to run" game ever. The circle consisted of Rocky Balboa, Kamina from Gurren Lagan, Azula from Avatar: tlab, and Death the Kid from Souls Eater. Adrian gets kidnapped and the circle must fight through the minions of SHONUFF! to save her. No social rolls, all things are decided by martial arts ability. I was literally browsing tvtropes to decide what to do next. Would highly recommend for a less serious game.

Fug. Why are the no one wants to run games always the ones I want to play?

>I mean it makes a certain amount of logic from an angry cosmic being's perspective. You can risk exposing your Charms which are actually capable of Perfect effects beyond defence on your minions, or you can shower them with things that incentivise them to keep working in conditions where other Exalts would be desperately looking for some celestial wine.
I don't think Charms of any Exalt type, maybe with the exception of Sidereals, are something conciously designed by their patrons. Intentions of the Yozis probably aren't the explanation for how the GSP Charms work.

So guy, do you have some tips for a guy who will be mastering Exalted for the first time ? Wich sort of thing should I do for my player ? What's to look out ?
Also 3E.

Don't approach GMing Exalted like you would a classic DnD adventure. Talk with your players about what they'd like to play as characters, have them build characters together (a Session 0 kind of thing is very welcome, where your players can ask questions about the world, build their characters together backstory and all, and y'all can discuss Exaltation and how it happened for each PC).

You'll approach that Session 0 with a very vague idea of the kind of campaign you want to run. Normally, by the time players have written their Intimacies and picked their Merits, you'll have a good idea of the general feel of the campaign, the players' potential objectives, and what you'll really be running.

From there on, don't plan too far ahead and build wide instead of tall. Player agency is, as you probably understand by the time you read this sentence, much more important in Exalted than one might be used to. As such, long-term narrative planning is a rather tricky venture.

Make up a ton of NPCs, agents, organizations and other acting forcers, have a good idea of who's in charge of each and what their ressources and objectives are, scatter them around your setting. That way when players take things in a wildly different direction you'll have a basis to build upon, and previous playtime will have provided you with tons of hooks and lines to detail them ad hoc.

Traps not to fall into :
-Don't rely on your ability to predict how your players will react to a given situation too much. Once they get confortable with the game's mechanics and start to find cool synergies, things will get wild.
-Dungeons don't work too well on their own. If you have your players enter anything that could be characterized as such, make sure you've got more than traps and mobs ready. When in doubt, invent something on the spot, tie it to the rest later.
-Don't be too paranoïd about campaign continuity. You can fix any inconsistency with enough Sidereals.

Thank for the tips ! But what should If two player are bored because they're not doing what their character are specialized for ? Like a Dawn without any Social Charm ?

That's pretty much their own problem. Solars in particular are so powerful that you can just do the thing you specialize in. A dawn is probably never forced into a situation where he has to resolve a situation by being social instead of fighting his way out of it. The social option may be better but he can do the thing he specialized in.
Since you're not railroading them as a GM what the players do depends mostly on what they want to do.

Now if, during Session 0 / collective character building, you realize that two players want to only play an intrique-heavy social game and two characters only want to go stomping around with armies then you either have to be able to balance those two things somehow or you have to talk to them about playing different characters.

drive.google.com/open?id=1sG52v0QCij7-vI0Y3Mb2s2gusu8df

ST guide that is all about ST'ing Exalted in general.

You're welcome.