So what defines an edgelord?

Hey i tried

>this much projection

At least im being seen :'(

If it would have been really cool in the late nineties and you don't like it.

The current meaning is any character that isn't a goofball, or boyscout, AND (and this is the most important part), the party describing them personally does not like them.

1. Where grimdark becomes grimderp
2. Any character I dislike.

A person stuck in the teenager mindset that comes with just finding out that dark and grim things exist, and then base their social interactions around that.

hey that idea's actually pretty g thanks user

An edgelord is someone who uses dark and or violent themes solely for the purpose of shock factor without regard for reason or rationale behind said themes or content.

Something being dark or morbid does not make it edgy.
Something being dark or morbid for no reason other than "look how dark this is" is edgy.

Some people consider the character Guts to be edgy despite that we see how the character develops and changes through the course of Berserk in reaction to the events that unfold around him. Most people can sympathize and understand the rage and hopelessness that fills Guts through his Black Swordsman phase regardless of him going full murder hobo. He was a broken man.

Shadow the Hedgehog on the other hand doesn't really have any development that leads to his aloof and "edgy" behavior outside of being a stock Japanese character archetype of "edgelord" that so often characterizes the use of the word as a pejorative (pshh nothing personnel kid and other associated behavior common in shonen and other teenage targeted anime).

Hey fuck you buddy.

Being an artificial clone designed with being designed to surpass who you are based on your creator's archnemesis

His story basically Kamen Rider except Hongo had no family and the only person who didnt treat him like a weapon dies. He is basically Kamen Rider Faiz.

I don't think Shadow is really all that edgy. In his introductory game he was driven by promise of vengeance based on fake memories installed by a grief stricken scientist. Once he figured out what the actual promise was he completely turned around and helped saved the world, with some of his lines during the final boss showing a lot of humility. He looked like an Evil Sonic and acted cliche for a while, but the finale flipped his character and he turned full hero.

It was the actual Shadow the Hedgehog game that turned up the edge, what with the whole amnesia and guns thing erasing all of his former development. Even so the game had one of the most simplistic karma systems ever so Shadow actually ended up flipping between complete psychopath and everyone's best friend Shadow the Pacifist. Again the true ending decided to make him heroic. It was the marketing of the game and the focus on guns and swearing that made the game appealing to
12 year olds, but Shadow himself came out of it being heroic again.

I'm pretty sure he stopped brooding entirely around Sonic Heroes, but I'm unfamiliar with much of what went on after that time period. Nowadays I think he's just kind of grumpy but still hangs out with everyone.

In a setting which prides itself on taking edginess to a silly extreme, the Night Lords manage to go above and beyond.

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What drives a man to edginess? Lust for gold? Power?

Heroes came before ow, the edge
In the intro scene for team dark it even shows Rouge finding him in one of eggman's labs, along with omega

So Sasuke isn't edgy since since it is totally understandable that his whole family was killed and people used him for their own plans?

Sasuke's edgy cause he turns into a tratiorous dick at the drop of a fucking hat

Sounds like you took his betrayal personnel, kid.

But muh everything makes sense in context.
Also people thought he was edgy from the beginning.

I'm more annoyed about people trying to be subversive about it

>I'm undefeatable!
>dies to single crossbow bolt

If the setting sets itself up as a world with heroes and villains then proceeds to treat having heroes and villains as being naive and subverts it, it gets an eye-roll out of me. Also it's probably edgy.

READ THIS:

Originally "edgy" just means "irritable"

Then when it became cool, it started to mean "lives on the edge of society and morality", which implies that being morally ambiguous and socially provocative was badass

Then it became used sarcastically as a way to mock people who try to challenge social/moral norms in order to appear badass, but fail to challenge them.

And now that it's no longer cool, "edgy" means "is provocative or tries to be provocative, and therefore isn't badass".

But fundamentally, the "edgelord" is someone who tries to be provocative and badass, but fails. It's a sarcastic term.

i remember there was a cutscene in Heroes where there was a shadow clone that was a robot that made him wonder if he was a robot too, though?

or i'm misremembering. fuck that game anyway, y'know?

I dunno, I always thought Edginess had extreme, absurd competence as a component. The Night Lords are explicitly portrayed as cowardly sadists who prefer attacking people who are weaker than them, and usually run if they think they're going to wind up in a fair fight.
Some of their protagonists and Kurze are pretty Edgelord, but I'd say that their concept in general isn't too edgelord.

>I dunno, I always thought Edginess had extreme, absurd competence as a component
You were wrong

read

Edgelord from my experience at my local GW
>Collect dark eldar
>Paint one of the Wyches after your crush
>Brood over how beautiful his crush looks in model form
>Wear BVB/Disturbed tshirt and same hoodie for 4+ years
>Have hair different colour every other week
>Get so wound up when you loose a game or refuse to remove 'crushes' model from table when it dies

This sounds like something I would do when I was 13, how old is this guy?

22 user, hes "in love" with this girl on his uni course who went to school with him
She got drunk once and fingered eachother and he got pics of her tits which hes kept since he was 18, he has them as his background. Its kinda un-nerving

I foresee a police visit in your futures.

I'm stealing that.

Nah, I'm a romantic so I like 40k for the planetary scale heroics and self sacrifice.

Well things arent so bleak, he has gained a new infatuation with a guy flatmate of his. In his defence ge was brought up in a super religious household and was never really allowed female contact at school. Goodness help him if he was ever caught with porn or whatever. His parents even had a automatic 8 oclock internet block for most of his life

I really don't understand why the Death Krops are edgy. I think people really take the fluff to far with them to be honest. If anything I feel bad for the average Krieger.

Here we go. Good post that pretty much encapsulates the whole thing

Except something can be edgy and be good written.
Edgy is just the description of the tone used.

What does it take to be provocative and badass, and succeed?

DYEING YOUR BEARD BLACK AND WEARING MASCARA IS TRADITIONAL, OK?
IT'S FROM THE TIMES WE USED CHARCOAL IN OUR FORGES.
YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND, I'LL GO DROWN MY SORROWS IN DRINK, LIKE A PROPER DWARF!
one glass of elven wine and a shot of sherry, if you please.

dunno, depends on the social norms and a bunch of other shit

Are you fucking serious?

Its wehreboos and WH40k wankers combined. Ultra totally not imperial german stahlhelm space prussian martial prowess grim dark self sacrifice bullshit

Ribbon and Rage are authorities on the topic.

That isnot Mordian iron guard.
I always though Krieg is more Verdun in space.

Textbook definition: naivety, attempting to imitate maturity, but without understanding why things labeled as 'mature' are so. They use death and violence for its own sake, wallow in how cold and uncaring the world can be without ever trying to move past it, and in general use themes commonly associated with maturity but without any context whatsoever. The result is a character who does things, but has no reason for them. When asked why, they try to use the fact that they did it or that it's something ('mature') people do as justification for them doing it.

>without regard for reason or rationale behind said themes or content

That's the key difference between well written and edgy. Edgy is when they fail, when they succeed it's just dark or whatever else it was trying to be.

As potrayed in the lore as an army of tragic figures marching willingly to brutal death, they arent.

The fanon interpretation of them as sociopathic badasses who are way better than eveyone else because of their lack of basic empathy is Edgy.

This abscence of Empathy is a core part of 'Edge'.

>What's edgy about mindless meat puppets being fed into an endless meat grinder by virtue of pure dogma and martyrdom?

It's edgetastic user. Edgelords thrive on morbidity and cynicism.

Berserk is a TERRIBLE example to give. It exists purely to be violent and angsty. That's the foundation of the whole shebang. I've never seen anything use rape so liberally as a plot device. Caska gets raped silly. LITERALLY. All so Guts can feel bad about it. It is textbook edge.

There is character growth and development within all that edge however. I would go so far as to say BERSERK IS the textbook, and an example of how edgy themes are portrayed correctly.
Still though... fucking rapehorse...

Is JoJo edgy? There's so much in there that feels like it should be, such as dog being burnt in a furnace, mother eating her own baby, dogs being killed by a bird with ice powers, fingernails being removed, extreme violence, teenage boy getting an erection from the Mona Lisa and gaining a hand fetish as a result. But it doesn't take itself at all seriously, so I'm not sure if it is.

That feels like the key with 40k to me. It can be as violent, cruel and tasteless as you want, as long as you know you're being at least somewhat ridiculous. People who play it completely straight are doing it wrong.

It meant 'cutting edge'. As in something that is pushing the envelope or breaking new ground. Being provocative or approaching uncomfortable themes often runs parallel to this, but it isn't the be all end all of the idea.

Not so Guts can feel bad about it. It's so Griffith can affirm that he no longer has any attachment to his past life, by betraying the only person he ever considered as a possibility of being a friend in the worst way imaginable.

To become an Apostle (or God Hand), you need to stop being human, not just physically, but mentally, emotionally, even spiritually. While a human Griffith would do it just to lash out at the person he thought betrayed him, Femto raped Casca in order to determine whether or not he would still have any human emotions left.

He discovered that it was so far beneath him, that he felt nothing. Something that would have twisted and torn his human soul apart left him indifferent.

He's less an edgelord, and more of someone who experimented with being one only to find it bland and tasteless.

Go away, jojofag.

>>There is character growth and development within all that edge however.

Not with Guts there fucking isn't. He had the depth of a puddle. He's a grim man and grim things happen to him. Sometimes grim things happen to his grim friends and that makes him feel grimmer. He was born from a hanged woman and was raped as a child. That's such a laughable edgelord origin no one over the age of 18 would take it seriously. And it only gets worse from there as he stumbles from one metal album cover to another. Caska's trauma isn't even used to characterise herself or give her any kind of character arc. It's just for Guts to yell I AM SAD over.

Listen, it's okay to like adolescent edgelord shit from time to time. I like Berserk and 40k, but I'm not going to pretend it's nuanced. It's fucking stupid through and through.

Jojo truly is bizarre. Horrific shit happens all the time, but it's never treated with any kind of gravity. Sometimes I wonder if Araki is a stone cold sociopath.

You're doing some incredible mental gymnastics to ignore the majority of the story. I'm sorry, but you basically have removed yourself from the discussion by being unwilling to look at the actual topic, and instead positing a view point that is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears.

And don't compare Berserk to 40k.

Space Marines, Elves, Undead, Vampires, Cutesy cartoonish characters, skulls - lots and lots of skulls, m'ladyesque characters

He's just a shit writer with an inability to apply any emotional depth to his work.

You've not even engaged with a single point, so why bother posting?

What point? He had a bad past, but it's not even as bad as the lives of many actual children today.

And Casca's mental trauma has helped reveal the underlying "woman" beneath her mercenary exterior, being not only motherly but more open to expressing her emotions in general.

You're kind of acting like you read cliff notes, and then expecting people to take your butchered assessments seriously.

Not him, but it's telling that you didn't even try responding to

Oh fuck off user, how many children do you hear being born from hanged woman? I get you're precious about the show, but don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining.

>And Casca's mental trauma has helped reveal the underlying "woman" beneath her mercenary exterior, being not only motherly but more open to expressing her emotions in general.

Jesus fucking Christ user, on the slim chance you know an actual woman try to keep that one to yourself.

That being born from a hanged woman is called "interesting". I'm sorry it offends you.

And, stop being stupid. Casca has had to be a mercenary that always had to act tough, and this was highlighted in the rescue arc where she had spent the entire time Guts was gone on the brink of collapse, only succumbing to fatigue upon Guts's return.

Casca has always been a woman forced to act like a man, and this is evident from one of her very first scenes, punching Guts in his wound rather than even saying a word.

While she slowly became more feminine through her relationship with Guts, it wasn't until the mental trauma that she was able to throw away all the pretense of having to be a cold mercenary. She smiles easily, laughs easily, cries and screams easily, a far cry different from her "always angry, always serious" mercenary demeanor.

How the fuck do you miss this character arc.

I'm confused.

As am I. I thought I was responding to the person you responded to.

It doesn't offend me user. It made me laugh at how absurd it is and how hard it is trying to hit you over the head with how dark it is. It's morbid imagery for the sake of it. Also, trying to argue that getting raped into a gibbering woman-child is a character arc just says volumes about you. It's a plot device to motivate the stoic, brooding hero so he can have yet more stoic brooding.

He was an asshat even before he knew all that, its the only anime chara ter i seriously hate and wish he would die, he and sakura...

It's not because it is grimdark that it is edgy. I always thought of Krieg not as a werhaboo setting, but more as a tragic WW1-era setting. I mean, I love the Death Korps of Krieg, I love the idea of young soldiers being tought since birth that they are sinners and must die to make up for the way their forefathers betrayed God, but because it is tragic and romantic, like one of those dark books inspired by Céline. It's not because I think it is a good thing, or because I'm impressed by dudes so fanatical that they are ready to die horribly in muddy trenches for their faith, but because I feel bad for them, and because I can totally imagine great stories about young soldiers of Krieg struggling with their normal lives and the way the war is weighing down on them.
I don't know, when I think about the men of Krieg, I just want to give them a hug.

>volumes

Yes, the ones I read, which you seemed to have either skipped or were too busy being a "this-is-too-edgy-for-me" high-horsed idiot to allow any context to seep into your three-inch-thick skull.

Also, let me take a guess of your summaries of other works.

>Macbeth
>bunch of brooding people kill each other and there's a ghost

>The Illiad
>edgelord doesn't fight, then gets angry that someone dies, then fights

>Forrest Gump
>retard stumbles through life and there's a slut

You can do your silly little "ignore the entire story" business to anything, and it doesn't make you sound smart, it just reveals how stupid you are to people who are actually familiar with the work.

>Actually putting Berserk on the level of macbeth and the Illiad

Yeah, the adventures of Violence McThickneck are just too subtle for me. Can you give me your 5000 word deconstruction of rape horse?

Here, I've got a character arc for you. It's as deep as Caska's. It's called a fucking lobotomy.

Those were exaggerated examples to illustrate how much of a fucking tool you are and how your "look how stupid I am" method of literary analysis looks. It's sad, because apparently satire is beyond you.

>It's as deep as Caska's.

Let's actually tear this apart.

Casca is a very complex character, but one of her major themes has always been her struggles with being both a woman and a mercenary. At the beginning, she hopes to make her being a woman irrelevant, acting like a man and always wanting to be treated like a man. That's what initially sparks her resentment towards Guts, since she sees Griffith take an interest in his strength, while deciding to treat her as a woman by having her lie beside Guts, making her feel secondary and inadequate. Despite being the third strongest fighter in the Band of the Hawk, she has heaps of insecurities that stem largely from her hating being a woman and blaming that for any weaknesses she has.

This culminates into her trying to fight during a bad period, hoping that she can just ignore being a woman through strength of will alone. It is ultimately Guts who discovers this after she nearly dies in battle, and he helps Casca stop putting her "manhood" on a higher priority than her own life. This is most evident by her later not only wearing a dress at the ball held in the Band's honor, but enjoying it to some extent.

Fast-forwarding past some other developments, her mental trauma strips her of her memories, her motivations, and reveals the underlying woman that Casca had spent her entire life repressing. This personality is so strong, so overwhelming, that she is willing to nurture a horrible monster that she instinctively feels is her child. Rather than having difficulty expressing herself, she is no longer able to contain her emotions, and rather than being a strong warrior, she is nearly helpless. Guts actually struggles with himself, being while he is deeply attracted to the female side of Casca to the point where he nearly rapes her, he is also in love with the strong warrior she once was and ultimately hopes she would be again.

As the story continued, Guts's goal of revenge shifted towards finding a cure for Casca's trauma, but now that he's close to achieving that goal, he's hit with the harsh reality that simply restoring Casca's mind may not be the best thing for her. Aside from her memories potentially leading her to harm or an even worse mental collapse, Guts knows that she may very well never be happy again with her mind restored. It might only be his selfish desire to try and turn back the clock to a happier time, a time that he now realizes will never return.

With the too-honest Casca fearing and hating him now, and the overwhelming puzzle-knot that is her relationship with Griffith, Guts is riddled with doubts even as he continues down the only path he believes left to him.

Casca's arc is an interesting one, because rather than the standard model of a gradual change from her being obsessed with acting like a man to a healthier balance, it suddenly catapulted towards the other extreme, with Casca becoming what she never wanted to be, a weak woman controlled by her emotions. Now, her friends are hoping to try and restore her, while faced with the question of whether a past of painful memories is more valuable than future happiness.

You do realize that no amount of arguing will do anything, right? You do not live in a magical world where people agree with you just because you explained your own perspective to them. It's more difficult than that.

>reveals the underlying woman that Casca had spent her entire life repressing

Ho ho, whoo boy! Your idea of womanhood isn't all that complex huh? If being raped into helplessness is that compelling for you then that's fine, but don't get so defensive when not everyone feels the need to be pretentious about their grimdark. Not every rape-revenge plot needs to be a character study.

Then again, wouldn't it be rad if Macbeth named his sword DRAGON SLAYER and got a gun arm? And then he killed a hundred dudes all at once to let us know how tough he is? Also, why didn't lady Macbeth ever get raped by a penis headed troll? It's a missed opportunity really. I mean she IS a female character and it would've really showed her femininity. Honestly, way more of the story could have been committed to forced anal and disembowlment. It needs at least one more haunted foetus to be a classic.

>Can you give me your 5000 word deconstruction of rape horse?

I could, actually. But I think around 500 will suffice.

Farnese is a similar character to Casca in that they both tried to repress a part of themselves, but rather than repressing her emotions from an internal conviction, she allowed her religion and the expectations of the people around her to repress her sexuality. She unhealthily channeled her repressed sexuality into religious fervor, to the point of getting sexually excited at the sight of punitive pyres and aroused from self-flagellation.

Guts appearing in her life shattered many of her closely held beliefs, and his ability to cut his own path excited her in ways she was not willing to admit to herself. Hoping to deny her sexual attraction and prove to herself that she was beyond that, she actually ended up inflaming her frustrations when she tried whipping him.

The Rape Horse is a spirit that was attracted to the intense frustrations of Farnese, and ultimately wound up possessing her. Farnese had been channeling all of her darkest emotions into repressed religious perversion, and a single moment of freedom, freedom from responsibility ore expectations, was all it took for it to come flooding out.

After that scene, Farnese changed, uncomfortable with herself and how weak her will and convictions were, and this lead her to find great strength in Mozgus's fanaticism.

>Your idea of womanhood isn't all that complex huh?

You must be a dumb troll, because by now you should have understood that I'm talking about traditional gender roles in a medieval setting. Stop getting upset, especially when I'm discussing a complex woman, a woman that is popular for challenging the world's conventions and expectations.

And, for the love of all that is written, stop being stupid. I don't even understand how you think that just because a story includes things like giant swords it can't also include deep characters and themes.

It's like pretending that the Illiad is stupid because Hector threw a boulder.

> If being raped into helplessness is that compelling for you then that's fine

You kind of just skipped over that entire post, ignored all the details, summarized it like an idiot might, and then acted like a smug cunt.

Basically, what you do with anything you read.

>I'll insist he's upset
>Again

Wow, you're good at this. Once again, I'm tickled pink, not upset. Not just by how gratuitous Berserk is, but by your desperate need for it to be acknowledged as high art with its tacky rape plot devices and wafer thin character motivations.

If you repress yourself a demon will appear and try to rape you? Doesn't really work when the daemons aren't inner demons, but literal monsters that you can defeat by hitting them with a sword.

Notice again, it's not Farnesse resolving her own problem. She plays no role outside of being accessories to Violence McAngst. Caska and Farnesse are just problems for Guts to solve by continually hitting things with a sword that has a silly name. Almost as if the series priorities rely elsewhere? But fuck, why would anyone want to read about Caska coming to terms and overcoming what happened to her when Guts can just do that for her?

Pretty rich, seeing as this started from him completely ignoring my entire post in favour of saying NUH UH.

>I'm talking about traditional gender roles in a medieval setting

You spoke generally about her needing to repress her own weakness and that the mewling woman-child was always an "underlying" aspect of her personality. No mention of societal roles there, just her inherent nature. Even the cliche of 'woman wants to be taken seriously in male role' is dull territory and it's handled so hamfistedly as to be the most ridiculous thing in a series with foetus hauntings. It's especially bad with Caska as she never even gets to be competent before her undevelopment. She is rescued from both mcs and manages to beat one blow hard. Barely. She's one of the least justified 'strong woman in authority position' I've ever seen so it doesn't even work to strip that from her. It's just further insult to injury, and when rape is used to incessantly throughout it stops having any effect other than being pure shock factor.

But I'm enjoying the psuedo-intellectualism. What about the penis headed trolls that raped Hannah forcing her to give birth to a troll baby that kills her by exploding out of her? Please unpack the subtleties there, for my intellect is too feeble to comprehend it's various nuances.

You're clearly upset by the concept of traditional gender roles, which is why you took offense to them and highlighted them.

Now, you seem to have not been paying attention to the series. Guts's brand attracts spirits of the dead and acts as an amplifier, giving dark spirits even greater powers. Dark acts and dark emotions already attract lesser spirits, and the proximity of Guts's brand and Farnese's inner darkness gave power to the spirit that possessed the corpse of a horse and later Farnese herself.

Farnese's sexual repression is hardly the biggest of her problems, and is in fact ultimately a symptom of her uncomfortable resignation to the choices of others all in order to try and appease a father that never seemed to pay attention to her.

And, yes, Farnese resolved this problem herself, because even though Guts helped remove the spirit that was possessing her, her own realization and disgust at what she had been repressing made her take steps towards finding a true solution. After initially thinking that Mozgus had the answers, she ended up abandoning the religion and even turning towards becoming a witch to better understand the world and her place in it.

Now, see, this is a lesson in all the things you missed because you suck at reading.

Like, Farnese first needing Guts to bring her out of her religious shell, but ultimately finding her own convictions and path, even if it is one defined largely by uncertainty. And, Farnese has a number of important roles, chief among them being Casca's caretaker, helping Casca to be emotionally stable and acting as a rudimentary therapist. It's this that not only helped Guts realize that seeking a magical cure for Casca might not be the best route, but that his dedication to the sword had left him a hollow man who only knew one way to solve problems, something that he slowly began to change as he opened up more to his group.

In fact, this very arc is directly challenging what you just wrote.

Don't feel bad for the Kreigers. They are happy with what they are. They know they have a singular purpose the moment they are chucked out of their cloning tube and are content that if they serve well they in turn will be cloned.

So, you are upset about me saying that Casca viewed the "woman" aspect of her personality as weak and tried repressing it.

>It's especially bad with Caska as she never even gets to be competent before her undevelopment.
You mean she's the third strongest fighter in the strongest mercenary group and even lead the company that captured Doldrey. She's ridiculously strong in a fight, and even more importantly was able to keep and lead the Band of the Hawk during its darkest hour, when all of Midland was trying to kill them. Your issue seems to be that you are comparing her to Guts and Griffith, who are on another tier of strength, without appreciating that she is still one of the strongest warriors in all of Midland and a competent leader as well.

How the fuck does this wash past you? Did you just not read the same books? Seriously, are you just citing what someone told you, or are you legitimately trying to argue from half-remembered dreams?

>Fallen Aasimar, Oathbreaker Paladin, Haunted One background.
Or if that's too grimderp than 2edgy4me.
>Scourge Aasimar, Vengeance Paladin, Inquisitor background

There is a reason why most Kreigfans wanna take out Catachans in 40k

They are but Americans can't differentiate between WWI and WW2.

>What about the penis headed trolls that raped Hannah forcing her to give birth to a troll baby that kills her by exploding out of her? Please unpack the subtleties there, for my intellect is too feeble to comprehend it's various nuances.

The trolls are influenced by Slan, the Godhand with perverse tastes and a fondness for pain and cruelty of a visceral sort. Slan is perhaps the simplest, or at least mysterious, of the God Hand, and what you described is something taken from the mind of a dark demon that enjoys the form of a naked wing woman and gets excited at the thought of discovering what the worst pain might be.

This is likely a result of a fair amount of Clive Barker's enduring influence upon the God Hand, with their resemblance to his Cenobites being hardly an accident and being borderline plagiarism. While Void and Femto are cold and aloof, and Ubik and Conrad being almost mischievous in their machinations, Slan is the God Hand that most resembles the Cenobites in their pursuit of the extremes of pain and pleasure.

Being able to love is the furthest thing from edge, user.

I mean, he's a fag, but fo rentirely different reasons.
..wait he IS a fag? Literally?

>People ITT think that Berserk is some kind of high literature work
Berserk best arc was when Guts was ultra edgelord. The quality took a nose dive once Miura start to go with the "Casca will be healed" thing and Berserk is know a shadow of its former self.

>>Not gonna bother quoting this entire fucking back and forth

I don't know anything about this series except I saw the "raped silly" scene on /h/ and thought it was the most pointlessly brutal scene I've ever seen but if a woman can literally sexually repress SO HARD that a demon shows up to rape her then you've got a problem. Like, if your demons are more grimdark than Dragon Age, your work is probably edgy by sheer virtue of trying too hard.

Edginess is about pointless provocation and discomfort. It's about having the trappings of maturity (as in "mature themes") without understanding what makes them effective in the cases you're copying.
So this entire setting seems edgy as fuck. You can portray literally all of the character development Berserk-is-art-user describes without a single graphic rape scene or excessive gore. Those elements are there for (extremely weird) fanservice. Unless the creators thought they were good ideas, and then they're edgy. Very edgy.

I would point out that they are portrayed as being less than empathetic in their books. Dead Men Walking has numerous accounts of either the Colonel or some Watchmaster not giving a shit about the pdf or civilians at all.

>If I insist one last time that he is indeed upset that is bound to do the trick

It's getting a bit sad now. There's only so long you can watch a retard slam his head off the wall before his caretaker needs to step in and stop it.

Farnese does absolutely fuck all. Guts gets rid of the monster for her and she plays no role in that situation. Your tenuous interpretation doesn't work, because there is no symbolism here, it's a LITERAL god damn monster.

> And, Farnese has a number of important roles, chief among them being Casca's caretaker

Wow fuck me, a literal baby sitter. Hold the fucking phone. How can you not read your posts and find the shit you type silly?

>You mean she's the third strongest fighter in the strongest mercenary group

Is she fuck. She's not even minor character strength. Pippin and fucking Judah do a better job in the eclipse and they are literal who's. She almost botches the entire siege by letting her pride get in the way, which leads to her just barely beating a joke character that screams out the name of his attacks. The best thing she does is fix her fuck up. She goes from being treated like a body warmer to being a perennial rape victim. Uh oh, Caska's been kidnapped by rape trolls! Time o save her... Again...

No user, not asking for a wiki on their lore. What purpose do they serve in the story other than shock value?

>I haven't read it but I'm going to weigh in anyway based on secondhand descriptions

I have no stake in this and think Berserk's setting is unnecessarily dark to the point of silliness, but that is faggotry of the highest caliber.