Would the ability to process and react to visual information faster than the average human ruin that person's ability...

>>Lets say humans see at 30 frames per second
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But I believe cinema is 48 frames per second with 2 frames being the same picture; that'd make it an effective 24 frames per second.

I do somewhat remember watching a justice league episode where the Flash is kinda stuck at full speed. He describes not having a conversation with anyone for what feels like eons just because they 'speak slowly'. But I have a feeling they can usually turn this ability off, or perhaps just adapt to it.

That being said. The flash can also process information at a stupidly quick rate. So people pausing for effect would be painfully long to him.

Flash also throughly enjoys television, so he likely got used to the slideshow format or can 'turn it off' so to speak.

Flash is most definitely a turn off or turn on style power since he can hold normal conversations with people.

It's 24x3 for 72 FPS, but ultimately it's still 24 fps because the intermediate frames don't convey any real visual information.

The noteworthy thing about movies, though, is that their 24 fps deal actually interacts with the distance between your eyes rods/cones in such a way that a good portion of the information is lost. That's why motion blur is so important in movies. However! Once you get past about 28fps, the wavelength is less than the distance between your visual receptors, so you get a lot more visual information rather than a lot less. This is why motion blur in vidya can look really bizarre, because you're getting enough sensory input to make it unnecessary.

That's the reason why the Hobbit movies look so shitty. They're filmed in 48fps, so viewers can see significantly more visual information than they would in a traditional movie. This means that what they see is quite obviously not a group of hobbits in a forest, but rather a group of actors wearing costumes on a set. They have better visuals, in a sense, but the loss of motion blur makes them look un-movie-like and the extra info makes everything look fake, because everything IS fake. Traditional movies look good because you can't really get that much sensory info, which forces your brain to fill in the gaps, like it does with an impressionist painting. I'm sure someday production values will get to the point where 48fps movies won't look obviously fake, but we aren't there yet.

tl;dr For movies at least, yes, it would make them less enjoyable. But it'd make everyday life MORE enjoyable.

I read a comic on /co/ about that. Flash just learned how to "turn it on", allowing him to consider thousands of possibilities in a fraction of a second, and he gave it for a test drive while he was surrounded by some goons with guns. He spent so much time reveling in his new powers trying to determine the best possible outcome that he ended up getting shot. It taught him that he shouldn't get distracted or play perfectionist when there's lives at stake.

Source? That just seems like a fun scene to read

Heh, looks like I was talking shit. I knew it was a multiple of 24, I thought it was 48. Thanks for the correction.

There's also the comic where he saves everyone from a burning building. Pic related.

Flash has to consciously turn his powers off, or at least make an effort to process thought at normal speeds. There was a page in a comic (I don't have it on me) where he gets bored/distracted talking to his in-laws and time essentially freezes around him. He can't even watch the TV discreetly because from his point of view, it's moving at a speed of one frame per hour.

The worst part of that is realizing that he still has to physically DO all that shit. I guess it's a good thing he doesn't get tired.

GURPS actually talks about this under the Enhanced Time Sense advantage. I thought it was kind of an interesting view of it.

From memory, it basically says 'yes they can see all the individual frames of a film or brief informational bursts/flashes nobody else can detect, but they can also still ignore/gloss over the details of each passing frame and enjoy the film along with everyone else in the same way that a person reading a book can gloss over/ignore the individual words or fonts even as they are reading them, in favor of immersing in the entertainment.'

This is perhaps one of the most moronic things Cap has ever said, because both in and out of universe it makes utterly no sense.
But what else can you expect from post-08' comics authors? Their entire schtick is failing at capturing anything worthwhile their chosen medium has while the industry fails to adapt to modern market changes and drowns creative in it's own inadequacy and irrelevance.

The wavelength does not change with fps, it changes with (hell, it IS) the color.

>I guess it's a good thing he doesn't get tired
Or have to obey building codes or get town council building permits.

>This is perhaps one of the most moronic things Cap has ever said, because both in and out of universe it makes utterly no sense.
He's not *that* smart a guy.

And neither are most comic writers. Who the fuck knows what 'seeing faster' is even supposed to mean. This shit is why comic powers are so absurd. They can't just take a good idea and use it, they have to fuck around and make shit up whenever they paint themselves into a corner.

Underground had people with ridiculously high reflexes (and one other stat, but I can't remember what that was) see everything slightly blurred, so in that case yes.

That seems to be a common scene for speedster supers.

youtu.be/4LIcOFvWqjk

Captain America "sees faster" because he is a master tactician, as well as has an instinctual reaction time faster than the most streetwise hoodrats.

Captain America is 'peak human.' This is a vague term, but it essentially means, if a human can reach that plateau naturally as a freak of nature, Captain America can do it. Except intelligence for things like science, because that's not his skill set.
He can see more colors than an asian female (women can see more colors than men, asians can see more colors than anyone else, clearer and more detailed). He can lift more weights than a champion power lifter. He can outrun the most extreme of normal humans.

Captain America is super streetwise and can predict you better than a bloodhound. Think of it as a kind of cunning. He can smell the trifling schemer on your skin before you can even sneakily point the gun at him beneath your coat. He's seen it all before. He knows that subtle twitch on your face. He knows the look in those eyes you're intentionally and conspicuously shielding from him.

He 'sees faster' because at this point being able to predict how fast you'll draw the gun, point it and by the model and caliber, imagine where the bullet will be. He knows himself, he knows a little about you based on how you carry yourself, and he knows guns.

We're talking about a man that can react and counteract so quickly that Spider-Man's spidersense gives him a headache trying to keep up with Cap, because while Peter can predict and react, keeping him with him is like fighting a relentless chessmaster playing robot. His Spider-Sense effectively tries to play out a thousand scenarios on how to predict and avoid what's coming, set in a loop, and it's effectively a low grade "Loop until we find a solution" seizure.

That's literally his superhuman power. He can read you like a god damned book and play you like a god damned fiddle.

You, for example, were too ADHD to read the fucking thread before replying.

Comic book writers very often fail at even the most basic concept of physics. Im not talking about knowing how shit works in space or anything complicated like that but simple stuff like "A human body doesnt take getting crushed by a speeding semi-truck very well" or "Batman cant drop an elephant by punching it no matter how good his kung fu is" yet they have examples like that all over the fucking place

A braindead easy justification form Cap would be as easy as saying the SSS upped his reflexes and the speed of his perceptions works at letting note where a bullet is going to go in the time it takes most people to think "Oh shit gun". Now Cap can "dodge" bullets on a human level without actually dodging bullets like fucking Spiderman

>Captain America is 'peak human.' This is a vague term, but it essentially means whatever bullshit the author can come up with
FTFY

Ok calling BS right here.This is the "Punch out an Elephant" variety. Considering Spiderman can dodge bullets sense attacks coming and is actually physically stronger than a Bull Elephant any time they have Cap hanging with Spiiderman is utter bullshit

The only reason this gets justified in peoples heads is because they can imagine a human keeping up with what in story looks like another human despite a stupidly vast difference in strength whereas they cant imagine a regular guy punching an elephant in the face and coming out ok despite the laws of fucking physics the human is a gooey mess. Its the same shit that makes charactcters get hit by say the Thing [90-100 ton strength] but react more to getting stabbed because in our heads "Punch not hurt knife bad"

I remember reading one where Flash saves everyone in fire except a child who dies of smoke inhalation before he could get there, has a break down because he wasn't fast enough and buys everyone in the city a smoke alarm.

At which point I realised Flash is objectively the best DC hero before superpowers even enter into the argument.

Where does, if at all, microwaves fall in the spectrum?

Flash is a great guy

youtu.be/lJq2PAI-Fxc

The standard microwave oven is about 2.45 GHz (~12 cm wavelength), which is on the very low end of radar. Radar and microwave are pretty much the same band.

Theres a Flash comic where he is sitting in a movie theater and gets shoot by a sniper in the back of the neck. The thing is just as it touches his skin he simply speeds up assess the situation takes the bullet down so it doesnt hurt anyone else checks the to make sure everyone else is ok runs off tracks the bullet knocks out the sniper takes him to jail and then sits back down at the movie with his date none the wiser

Yet a few years later a shitty writer lets Deathstroke the Sue-anator take him down by hiding his sword under his arm

Thanks.

Isn't Deathstroke pretty much evil Batman? That's the problem when you try to have 'normal' guys compete with realitybenders and near-deities: it depends on bullshit and the supers being utterly retarded for them to remain relevant.

DS is more like a mildly super-human character which is why he could take on the Titans pretty well and not get turned into mush the second Wondergirl decided to hit him. The thing is he was also smart enough to not get into fights with really high powered superhumans which is what they are going for in that comic but fail spectacularly at portraying

There's a few pages of the Flash where he's waiting for subjective hours for someone to finish saying his next word, he's trying to enjoy meal with his family and for him it's like he's sitting watching statues sit at a table for several weeks.

It's in the radio part, 1mm to 1m wavelength..

batman must be jelly, all his attempts seem to drive a bigger gap between his loonies and their well being

Well that's the problem isn't it? Why not have Flash or Superman clean up Gotham, it wouldn't be that much of a task for them.

The Flash is almost always the most moral and mentally balanced member of the Justice League. He's the one whose presence keeps everyone else from getting too weird or heavy.

I have a friend who is bipolar and "You're wearing the suit again/Got me again Flash!" is our accepted code phrase for expressing concern about his mental health. It's hard for him to talk about without feeling anxious, and hard for me to bring up without coming off as accusatory or paternalistic. This dumb joke with the Flash has actually been able to open up a conversation that convinced my friend to get back on his meds when he was in a real bad place. I fucking love the Flash forever.

One of the World of Darkness books mentioned that precise issue in the context of (I think) Vampires and an optional power in Celerity and Auspex. They concluded that you'd get used to it. You'd be able to see every frame in the movie, but you're already able to see every letter in this sentence.

Not really.

Caps is just level 20 human by the standards of comics books. Occasionally the writers will have him wrestle the the hulk and win but the writers wil have to justify how he knew some sort of bullshit kung fu move.

You still won't see him grow adamantine claws or travel backwards and forward in time at a whim

Flash usually can control the speed he sees things. Quicksilver sees everything in slomo

Well, not exactly, he is outright superhuman in his capabilities from the process he underwent and 'peak human' is just a meaningless term writers use.

And thats only talking about 616 Cap, not the likes of Ultimate Cap or MCU Cap who they don't bother trying to claim as 'only peak human'

He's talking about Wally. Sometimes when Wally gets bored he unintentionally slips into his powers, which often work on instinct. To Wally boredom is as threatening as being attacked.

It's not so bad. For mundane shit he can just "zone out." It's kind of like how they can digest the entirety of a library but forget it a moment later. The boredom/isolation of doing it fades after it's done into a blurry memory.

That doesm'ty exactly make sense, even if he moves fast building the house would take more time, there's tasks you have to stop and give a minute to complete.

Plus it kind of overlooks all the things he would have had to do to build them fully functional housing and connect it to the rest of the city.

Also how does he lift stuff like girders?

Batman himself is crazy, he's never come to grips with the death of his parents and it instead fuels his costumed crusade.

Plot armor, Batman has it, Joker has it since he is considered Batman's "main nemesis", Gotham has it since its Batman's territory and for some reason none of the stronger heroes are allowed to do anything a about, just a handful of gadget-users, martial-artists and lowest level metas.

There's a great episode of Justice League or Justice League Unlimited where in an alternate universe, Flash died, and that so unhinged Supes that he becomes a power mad tyrant.

Personally, I like all of the main DC heroes Superman is my favorite, but Flash is definitely the heart and soul of what makes them all good.

That plotline on the show wasn't bad, maybe since the whole team developed into the Justice Lords instead of just Superman.

I am so burned out nowadays on terrible "Evil Superman" or "Knockoff Evil Superman" stories, so many badly-written hamfisted pieces of shit based on that cliche.

Yeah, it would make shitty framerates and blur filters even more infuriating than they already are. I wish HFR had caught on. It's unfortunate that the vehicle of its introduction to the general public was the Hobbit movies.

It really is a cheap way to set up a nearly unstoppable foe. I only mentioned it because Flash's death, and that lack of a moral center played a direct role in causing it.

I wish that the DCU would show us this side of the characters (like the time Supes takes Martian Manhunter home for Christmas), but we won't. Instead it'll all be heavy, brooding, wank to differentiate itself from the MCU at the cost of the soul of the property.

I don't even like the MCU - I just want DC movies that aren't afraid of having a plot and consequences, but isn't also afraid of having a little heart or levity.

Well there's the upcoming Lego Batman. That looks pretty fun

>"That doesn't make any sen-"

Speed Force
The answer is always speed force
Yes even for that
Especially that

You are a hero too. Sticking with a friend that has a mental illness is tough. My wife has bipolar and have had to go through the same things. She's at least gotten to the point where she will take her meds come hell or high water, though I can't take credit for it, her nieces are the ones that really keep her going.

The annoying thing is that there are other DC characters that can be used as some unstoppable force.

youtube.com/watch?v=UOFjIRiihXc

Mmm, I'd love to see AMAZO go after Luthor in the cinema.

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Also, what is the deal with AMAZO anyway? I tried to find comics about him, but it turns out the comic variant of AMAZO is nothing like the AMAZO in the DC animation.

I really liked how he's basically some inhuman Dr. Manhattan (there's a joke in there somewhere) with a slight sinister twist.

>Batman is crazy
It's time to educate yourself on how little you actually know about anything you speak of and then fix it all in one go.

You're welcome.

>They're filmed in 48fps

Hobbit Movies were filmed at 60fps. But you're right about why it and the CGI looks so fucking bad.

Comic Amazo is really just an amazingly powerful guy who fights the Justice League and not much else.
DCAU Amazo ended up being the Silver Surfer, especially evident in that entire episode that was an homage to The Defenders.

>The Defenders.
The what now? Like the Netflix Marvel show thing?

He also has it when he's fighting vandal savage. As he's running to stop him he keeps day dreaming all the possible doomsday scenarios that could occur, such as him unable to help people and losing a load of his speed because the air is toxic and dusty from the devastation.

He has about 300 different day dreams by the time he arrives at a graveyard, presses some buttons and wins the day.###

It was a bit of a hit and miss story.

Different thing entirely.
Forget about it, it's just yet another comic book reference that went over people's head.

Ah, okay. Are there a lot of differences between DCAU and the comics?

I'm European, so I never really bothered reading any American comics outside Spawn, but I did watch various Marvel and DC animated series.

This is a really great run and in his defense Pietro's under a lot of stress here what with people trying to assassinate him and all

Yes, but in several ways the DCAU and many of the better animated adaptions kind of distill some of the best parts of the comics into a more cohesive narrative.
Despite significant differences, that Young Justice show is genuinely more faithful to the comics in terms of character backstories and makes far more direct use of their original origins then the DCAU did, often mixing and matching bits of origins in really clever ways, which is perhaps not that surprising as Weisman actually wrote for DC for several years.
Issue is that by the time Justice League came along they tended to gloss over existing origins and even existing personalities sometimes so that various JL/JLU members would more easily fit certain molds, but they did it in a way that accomplished good storytelling so it's entirely forgivable.

>Luthor can't help to mock AMAZO at the end

Goddamn Luthor is sometimes such a fucking idiot.

Why do the X-Men movies have to be so overall bad, but their Quicksilver is so based? I honestly like this Quicksilver over his comics incarnation.

The key personality trait of Lex Luthor is his overwhelming arrogance and pathologically uncontrollable ego.

It hasn't ruined mine.

Be fair; Quicksilver's "character" in those films is to have a cool scene where retro music plays and he slo-mos through a place. That's about the extent of it.

To answer your question though, Bryan Singer writes ensemble casts by making exactly one or two characters important and then having everyone else just kind of be around and stuff.
This makes him a terrible fucking X-Men writer of course because literally all they ARE is an ensemble cast, but it seems like nobody at Fox will ever let anyone else direct them.

>that one comic where he leads mankind into a golden age
>mankind asks him for his last words on his deathbed
>all he says is "i hate supes!"

You forgot his hatred for Superman.

I actually really like how they handled the not!superman (Legacy) and his evil version (Iron Legacy) in the Sentinels of the Multiverse game.

A lot of the cards in Iron Legacy's villain deck are god damn tragic without ever stepping into trying to justify his actions as anything but horrible.

His hatred of Superman directly ties back into his ego.
He only hates Superman BECAUSE of his ego; Clark never even really did anything to him that a crazed mind might use as a justification for his hatred, Superman is just bigger and more powerful then him and most importantly takes attention away from him and so Lex hates him.

His hatred for Superman is incredibly petty at heart because he's never done anything to JUSTIFY the hatred, but Lex hates him just for BEING there.

But does he hate Superman as much as Black Manta hates Aquaman.

Of course not. NOBODY hates anybody the way Black Manta hates Aquaman.
Lex Luthor and the Joker WISHED they could hate as much as Black Manta hates.

He's got this kind of Ur-Hate that superscedes all other forms of hate.

Who's this Black Manta? Sorry, I don't really know comics. Why does he hate Aquaman and why is his hatred so strong?

Lex in Red Son was pretty grand.

Sentinels of the Multiverse is a good game, and its lore is very interesting as well.

Play the digital version alot, its a godsend in terms of bookkeeping during play.

He's some black dude that has taken the role of Nemesis to the King of Atlantis, no actual reason but he engineers overly-dramatic backstories for his hatred that change on a regular basis.

His whole reason to existence is to make Aquaman's life more unpleasant, nothing else is more important to him.

How does the digital version handle simultaneous triggers?
Is it in timestamp order, or do you choose?

The players get to pick order. Which is also what it does when it runs into 'Whack the guy with the highest HP' and two people are the same. Players get to decide.

This is why 'cinematic' 24fps would have to be replaced by 60 fps. For more PC Master Race, please visit

Gosh, you're so cool and smart~
I wish I had your darkly detached ambivalence and ruggedness.

Which is your favorite variant of Legacy?

Sometimes it does this. Start Of Turn effects are explicitly timestamp order.

HA, you're married to someone who won't even attempt to be a functioning person on your behalf.

AMAZO is a series of robots, that as a trend are driven by two things. A: Adapting to powers based on the Justice League. B: Hating the Justice League.

B has been subverted sometimes. A is the primary.

There have been many Amazos.

Next Legacy.

She's very reliable, when the other two can sometimes have trouble laying out damage when you need to chip away at something.

I'd say America's Newest Legacy might be better for smaller teams, where her personal damage output is important, but in a full five-hero game her dad's damage buff to the whole team is likely even stronger.

And as For America's Greatest Legacy, his ability to give another hero a chance to use a power as well as healing them 1HP can be pretty ridiculous, but it depends on what other heroes are in play.

Wish the video game let you use multiple variants of the same hero at once, could be extremely fun for a muckabout

Is that Gygax in the bottom left?

That image does nothing to disprove Batman's insanity.

The point is that the character is decided by the writer.

Miller craycray batman is my batman but decades of other iterations of batman are, frankly, perfectly sane.