You libertarians are insane

So fascism now?

This was a strong gov which could only be stopped by half the world pooling resources together in a massive war. High taxes and welfare are not necessary, only a population with a strong will and purpose

youre taking to a rightist. The reason i asked you to define a strong government is because people conflate the idea of a strong state with a large public sector. Ultimately, i think it boils down to social questions being essentially a priori answered. As an example, welfare is not up for debate and instead the question is simply should it be increased? Rarely is it even thought to be decreased (and the reason is obvious in a democracy). So, all that is left for debate is economic issues (which i believe are largely determined by social questions and so resulting in the endless drift left) which leaves the left as some communist-socialist types and the right as libertarians and also without a leg to stand on.

all current economic talk, including welfare and taxes are based on flawed economic principles to begin with, namely the ability for private entities to have monopoly on money creation and interest rates. Once you get rid of this a whole new paradigm appears in which taxes are a laughable thing and so is welfare.
Ask yourself what really is value, what produces value. Gold? Money? Only people and their capacities are value, so we should strive to improve people, make them better. Thats what true socialism is about.
Since its really hard for people to change for the better, they need strong leaders and figureheads go give a good example. Its really hard to get people to fight degeneracy and improve themselves. If left to their own people just dont give a fuck. Thats why strong gov is needed.
There is obviously more to this, if thread doesnt die I'll keep posting

>only reason some asshole doesn't come out of nowhere and robs the majority of you is because of rule of law.
>Literally the 08 crisis

Well so much for govs huh?

If left alone people will starve and die. If they don't want to starve and die they will do whatever it takes to survive UNLESS they know for a fact that their existence can be sustained by holding out their hand. I'm not above helping people because people should help people. But when you mandate charity, everyone opens their hand and no one gets anything

>ability for private entities to have monopoly on money creation and interest rates.
Didnt Woodros Wilson say something to the effect of him having sold america by establishing the federal reserve? The idea of a private entity with its own interests having control over the national currency is so obviously absurd its a miracle its lasted so long. I think the only reasons it has are because most people are either apathetic (the eternal normie) or think it is in fact a public institution.
>this a whole new paradigm appears in which taxes are a laughable thing and so is welfare.
I disagree here. Money will still and always will exist. If you see my argument for how they arise (and agree) its obvious why they wont go away - while people have surpluses they will trade and money facilitates this in the easiest way. Money, therefore, is value so in any society which is beyond subsistence (besides some commune but thats nit a real even city sized society) money will be present. Hence, the issue of welfare will exist be it either directly in money or in food stamps or whatnot. Its easy to say taxes need not exist because of the ability to print money and to an extent this is true but fiat does have to have a value and hyperinflation will occur as a result of devaluing a currency by producing too much. When it comes to people needing a strong ruling class aand social norms to keep them in check, well, it baffles me that this isnt an idea common to everyone.

its not about holding people's hand or charity, but giving them a purpose in life beyond the grind for money. Their work must mean something beyond a monthly paycheck. It has to fulfill a purpose, they must feel invigorated by it. When hard work is truly rewarded beyond a bigger bank account, when people know their work is benefiting everyone not just the individual, then the competition becomes 'who is helping us be better as a whole' as opposed to 'who is simply richer'. Those who dont work are not left to starve but you make it clear they should improve themselves, cause they are giving a bad image to the rest of the nation.
This model only works in a racial homogeneous nation, cause its like a big family and we always take care of family first. If your little brother is a fuck up you dont let him starve, you help him improve himself. If he refuses to, then he stays as an example for everyone of what you should not be.

fuck off back to the ovens, kike

Yes the Fed is the biggest example of economic gone retard, or evil.
Of course money will always exist, its useful. My point is giving money back its true purpose, which is being the means of exchange of things that hold true value like labor and products, not something you can speculate on. You should not be able to speculate on fiat value, you should not be able to make wealth without producing anything of true value.
If you produce too much you wont hyperinflate, the money supply should grow in accordance to production, therefore it keeps its value.

hinga dinga durgan

Strong government means weak soy boys get welfare. Only soy boys want a big government.

MGS4 ruined Ocelot!!!!!

You can reverse this statement. The high taxes of the rest of the world and their determination to uphold statism at the cost of literally destroying their ancestor's homeland led to the death of this once great nation. Statism needs to die.

talking to myself here. Thats why crypto in its current state is an abomination. You are getting wealthy by adding nothing to society. Sure you are making mad gains but someone out there is hurting bad. Sure they were dumb for gambling their money on shitcoins, natural selection, whatever. Stay long enough in this game and you will be the one hurting while some whale drinks your tears, cause there is always bigger fish than you.
Its capitalism at its finest and when taken to the extreme the ethos of society is get rich and fuck the rest and that can only lead to you on a locked neighborhood on your mansion while society decays all around you.
When its all about the money nobody gives a fuck about politics, race, the state of your education, the general degeneracy, your towns going to shit, roasties getting blacked, your sons and daughter idolising complete jerks, etc etc. There is no moral or ethics and that will be our downfall.
You must unite people into a common moral dogma and lead them to glory or some else will guide them to ruin with the power of money.
Fuck you biz you are too short sighted and blinded in your pursuit of lambos

only in your flawed, corrupted shithole

>posting this from his lambo

Incorrect. We are siphoning the money market from the Federal Reserve and the globalists. Its a transfer of wealth from the communist faggots who run the world to the freedom lovers. This is the best thing for humanity since sliced bread.

you really think this? how much do you really know? What if the globalist were the ones buying it at $100 and selling it to you now. Commie faggots in general are not investing in crypto. When crypto crashes a bit everyone runs back to fiat, its only a game.
When you can buy anything with crypto, then you can say there is a change of rules. And even then those globalist and jews of the fed are probably waay ahead of you

>Markets aren't naturally occurring governments make markets

People traded with one another before governments existed.

> and uphold contracts the only reason some asshole doesn't come out of nowhere and robs the majority of you is because of rule of law.

Implying I don't have a gun.

Governments were good while they lasted, but now they are nothing more than corrupt dinosaurs that crypto will replace. Trustless systems are far better than bought-and-paid-for politicians and rent-seeking corporations.

have fun trying to keep a country together in your 'i am my own law' fantasy utopia, you would get crushed by any strong, disciplined military under good leadership

*shoots a hacker over the internet*