/hhg/ - Horus Heresy General

>in mixed suits of questionable mark
those aren't mixed suits, though, they're just made in a period of time where there wasn't a strictly defined set of pre-heresy armour. though those EC are obviously wearing mk4 hats

There were at least two each, sometimes more miniatures of mk 2/3/4/5, all of them with slightly different looking gear from their companions. Which meant when it came time for artists to make "pre-heresy" armour (be it GW themselves, or third parties like sabertooth), it was never really standardized. The early black library covers still have traces of that.

Forgeworld making their own multipart kits is what threw a spanner in things.

Thank you, is it calm in London or do you also have "people" acting up?

Wow thats a lot of stuff.
I want to learn how to use green stuff and air brushes, before I start with my BoP guys.

Happy New Year, everyone!

ordo reductor are potentially the most cancerous army in the game if you go really hardcore with it

Reductor is stronk, due to serious tonks.

You too!

OK, then. That both alleviates fears and raises new ones. What makes them so bad and how can I fix it to decent levels?

Also, tonks are good here?!
FUCKING FINALLY! Always wanted to do a largely mechanised army.
Are there any that have models that don't cost £5 billion per point?

Happy new year from down in Devon. May it be better than the old.

These lads are all correct, reductor is can easily be the most cheesy Mechanicum lists. So many tanks, so much overlap with buffs and dickery. That are Krios tanks are on phosphex quad launcher levels of under costed and over powered.

Where in Devon? I'm in Plymouth

If you want mechanised, play Solar Auxilia,Iron Hands or Cult Militia with survivors of the dark age.Those offer a purely mechanised army list.

Reductor is forced to take jetpack Ogryns (Thallax) as troops.

But if you can live with that, tank away!

Also Ulator Sound destroyer.

MkVI is beakie helmet, Y-shaped chest cable (MkIV had the X-shape chest cable), no trim on the shoulderpads, and no knee-pads on the legs. The fun part is, MkVI was designed with interchangability in mind, so you can easily equip it with other sets of armor, which is why you see it mixed with MkVII in 40k so often.

Because regular legs already look kinda silly in their squat-poses, so adding a jump-pack only emphasizes the silliness.

What Legion would Titus Pullo and Lucius Vorenus be in?

Not strictly relevant to this thread, but a new year's resolution I'm going for is "finish one army", for which I've picked my dark eldar. Idea is to not buy or paint anything else until I've got that army fully painted.

What about limited one day only releases?

Glory for the Emperor's Children

How do the Legions celebrate new year /hhg/

OK, then. I was planning on maybe two Krios eventually, models are sexy but really fucking costly. Are they like Riptides, where you need 1 per ~2k points to avoid cheese?

Way on the other side, near the Dorset border. On the outskirts of a few different towns.

Oh, not purely mechanised, since I think Vorax and Thallax look awesome, plus I've never played with a tarpit before, so I might give Thralls a try, seems they'd be helpful.

Are Thallax reasonably effective? I do like the models.

I assume they get that sexy dune-train looking thing with the little servitor gunner?
I can't really decide what I want, so far. Thought I might start with a couple cheapish tanks if anything can be converted, the mandatory Magos + two Thallax and some Thralls, since that will keep me busy for a few months doing.

>Pullo

:DDDDD Benis.

I tried to paint DE as "practice" for my 30k dudes.

Fuck,I suck at painting and spess muhreens are so much easier to handle.

service studs

most probably wouldn't be keeping up with the terran calendar

EC have a big military parade through their Legions flagship into the big amphitheater to listen to Fulgrims newest Poetry and the evening ends in a nice Soiree with a lot of duelling and many humie artists and nobs present.

At the end a great ceremony ofswearing allegiance to the Emperor is done byleaders of the present millenials as stand in for their men together wizh Fulgrim.

Thallax seem cool as fuck to me, so that should be enough.

People do complain that hey are not free vindicators, i.e. to costly for what they do/ that they are not overpowered cheese.

Show some dignity. You're under the standard.

I just wish people weren't so anal about it. Even though there are the 5 standard marks of armor utilized by the Legions (since MkI isn't used), there was plenty of non-standard designs used, as well as Legion-specific designs (thanks to individual alliances+resupply by a mixture of forgeworlds). But the moment anyone uses something that isn't the FW standard, it's autistic screeching for days.

Sorry , sir. I will try my very best with BoP Iron Hands!

>Tfw I would have been made an Immortal and/or shifted to Clan Morragul for besmirching the honour of the X by not finishing my assignment.

>DA
Everyone gets to join in on the burnings of the Emperormas trees
>EC
The 'Champagne' is the best available (pre-heresy) or a cocktail of drugs (post-heresy)
>IW
Nothing officially, but there's a load of drinking and bitter shitting on the previous year
>WS
The White Scars don't celebrate new year for another month or so
>SW
COME ON BOYS WE'RE GOING TO DRINK LIKE IT'S 29,999
>IF
Everyone get's a pain-glove free day
>NL
Auld Lang Syne is banned after everyone got stabbed during last years celebrations
>BA
Like pre-heresy EC, but a little blood in the champagne
>IH
Anyone who wants to celebrate gets frontline duty
>WE
RAAAAAAAAAGE
>DG
Like every other day, but the cups have bubbles

It is extremely hard to fuck up painting Iron Hands, so you should be good.

If you fail however ....

>IF
>Everyone get's a pain-glove free day

You mean everybody spends the whole day in the painglove. Celebration is for the weak-willed.

that's just the natural progression of 30k going from a fan thing to an "officially supported" thing

I can legitimately see the EC doing this. Not a lot of Legions were big on non-combat activities, or associating with regular humans for that matter, but the EC would almost certainly hold grand celebrations for specific anniversaries and triumphs.

>Celebration is for the weak-willed.
That's Iron Hands user, IF do celebrate, but in a restrained manner.
Has anyone got that quote about Sanguinius talking to Horus about Dorn's handshake?

The IH probably only relax enough to celebrate when the EC roll around and Fulgrim invites Ferrus out for a night of drinking.

>SoH
Like Space Wolves but a lot more speeches from Horus and some wierd Lodge rituals that wierdly enough resemble college hazing.

>WB

They come together and sing hymns to the emperor/the primordial truth and burn heretical writings in a huge bonefire with wishes for the new year writte on them.

What Legion do you work on?

Happy new year. Still 6+ hours to go for me, though.

>SM
Huge as fuck bonfire, which they're partying both in and outside of, and regular humans are invited
>WB
Sacrifices and Rituals, plus a free Daemonic Artifact and a possession-free weekend
>UM
Enjoy the New Year by conquering a star system or two
>1KS
Everybody is like you right now, away from the party reading
>AL
scattered throughout everyone else's celebrations
>RG
Same as AL, except they're secretly watching it from a distance.
>LW
Same thing they do every night, user. Try to take over the world

I actually really like them, I just wish Fulgrim had been betzer written. The Angron stuff that was posted shows how it should be done.

>IW
Nah, I could totally see them welcoming in the new year with a 21,000 gun salute.

Bought a HH box of marines, deciding between a second unit of havocs, or a unit of troops

And a happy new year to you, user.

I like that they are goofing off like this, makes them more human.

>He's even considering other marines before he fills his troops with 6 20 man blobs

Told myself the same thing last year as I have Cultmech/Skitarii and Alpha Legion to assemble/paint.

Since then I have bought:
>one additional BaC box
>DW: Overkill
>2 imperial knights renegades box(ordered 2nd by mistake, thought the order didn't go through as no confirmation email was received) + 30 year Imperial Space Marine
>BoP box
>2 deathwatch veteran squads, DW watch master, and corvus blackstar
>3 deimos rhinos
>Fire Raptor
>AL Contemptor dreadnought
>Autilon Skorr
>Armillus Dynat
>Sicaran Venator
>Russian recast rapiers and Leviathan Dreadnought

>swear I am done buying shit
>Belisarius Cawl + friends out for preorder next week
GW has a direct line to my impulse control or lack thereof

>what Great Crusade/HH era material would you like to see
Sort of related. I want a Build-Your-Own-Freeblade like the Build a Knight Errant.

Pick a chassis, couple list of options. Put them in the Freebalde slots for the Knight list.

I'm a sucker for making [YOUR DUDES]

>WB possession free weekend
>New year, new daemon!

Legio Audax Harpoon weapons ;_;

New to 30k and have started a Blackshields army. What are some good options to start with for a small force? I've heard Marauder squads with chainaxes/shotguns are good.

Models I have:
15 half assembled beakies/maximus dudes
1x old school land speeder

Suggestions? What should I buy?

Well, those marauder blobs will tear through infantry, so maybe some anti-tank? Guess it's worth asking which blackshield rules you're thinking of using, as (for example) a BS3 sicaran venator probably isn't worth it.

Thinking about "Your Dudes", personally I toyed with the idea of foing for some recon squads to teleport outlanders in.
Think about what you want to see and play, I am more invested work ethics wise the more I personalised my guys.

HQ.
5 more marines, since Land's Speeders aren't troops.
Why isn't there something that makes Land's Speeders troops?

There is. It's called Sky Hunter Phalanx With Creative Use Of Counts-As.

Thanks for the suggestions! I like the idea of Outlanders for deep striking so I can cut down on transports to buy/paint...

I'll kit the land speeder for anti-tank and maybe buy some more bodies for recon/support.

I'm new to 40k but I'm sort of familar with the story and whatnot so I was wondering, why is there a separate general for Horus Heresy?

Different game system.

Really? I always thought Horus Heresy was just a big part of the lore. I didn't know it was a seperate game altogether.

Is it fun?

r8nh8 my 2.5k Outlander List

>Nemean Reaver
(Goes in Eagle with either Marauders or Termis depending)
>Libby
ML2, combat Shield, Jump pack, combi-plas(Goes with AMs, rolls on Telepathy)

>x3 Quad Mortar
Shatter Shells

>Apothecary
Power Sword
(Goes with Marauders)

>Legion Vets
10 marines, two pariah flamers, 8 combi plas,
AA, Rad Grenades, Power axe on Sarge
Marksmen
(Deepstrikes)

>Legion Termis
Tartaros, 4 combi-plas, plasma blaster, 3 fist, 2 CF, Rad Grenades, Grenade Harness

>Marauders
15 strong, 14 shotguns, 3 axes,
fist and rad on sarge

>AMs
2 power swords
AA, Shield, rad, fist, on sarge

>Support Squad
Pariah flamers
(Deep Strikes)

>Storm Eagle
4 Hellstorm

>Warmachine detachment
Atrapos
Occular Augmentics

Reaver goes in eagle and pals with Marauders or Termis depending on the battlefield. The other squad deepstrikes. Start the Atrapos, Mortars, and AMs on the board.

I want the spooky F R O M T H E V O I D vibe but wanted to not be sudden death'd out so I went for a Atrapos to anchor things down while the rest descends. But I'm not sold on this composition.

I wish Deathlocks weren't so bad.

It is not a different game system. It uses the base Warhammer 40,000 rules. It is a different expansion of 40k. It plays like 5.5 Edition, limits on detachments, no formation spam, etc but has Rites of War and army variants that play like Decurions with fewer requirement/restrictions.

It is a big part of the lore. However it is also Warhammer: 30,000, so it is "seperate" in that the rules/weapons/armies are not playable in 40k, however it is still based on the main 40k rule book.

As for fun, it's a blast. 20-man marine squads, a pretty balanced meta, fantastic models, cool rules, and a genuinely impressive amount of customization make it a pretty fantastic place for 'your dudes'. Expensive as hell, though

Yeah, apart from the autists, as you can probably already tell.

Its made for people that pine for the old days of warhams and it is glorious due to us shoveling money to them they get aay more freedom to do amazing stuff without GW fucking it up.

Except for BL.

>Quad mortar.
Reeeeee, I know it counts as infantry for Outlander and is amazing..but...ughh...

>Reeeeee
I needed some more AT and I bought them ages ago

I love them as well, but the mention of spamming them has saddened me.

Sorry, they are amazing and cool, please take them.

/hhg/ is centered around the 40k setting prior and during the Horus Heresy, which took place in the 31st millennium. At this time, the Imperium was at its strongest, having nearly reconquered the galaxy thanks to the might of the 18 Space Marine Legions. However, following Horus' betrayal at Istvaan III, the Imperium is sent into a 7 year civil war, pitting brother against brother and undoing the achievements of centuries of progress from the Great Crusade.

It is a time of larger than life characters, legendary battles, and Marines fighting at scales only seen by the Imperial Guard in 40k.

Keked, especially with the DG and IF ones.

Besides it being expensive it sounds great, how would I start?

Should I just check all the links in the OP?

Probably, you should also know that allmkst everything fromFW is made from Resin.

It is a bit harder to work with than plastic, but holds more plastic.

Luckily marines have standard troops in plastic.

Alright then, thanks!

To start learning, use the links above to look at the armies, and then get the main ruoebook under the 40k stuff. It's simple to learn, just play a couple games and you'll get the hang of it.

As for starting an army, you have two main choices: Mechanicum and Space Marines (the other stuff is rarely done, and I know nothing about it since no one I know plays them). The Space Marines come in 18 flavors, as you choose which of the Emperor's Legions to do. They each have special characters, units, and play styles, so think about what you like before you choose. Once you've done that, grab either the Burning of Prospero or Betrayal at Calth box sets from GW, as each gives 30 HH marines, 5 Terminators, and some other goodies too. From there, make a list and buy your way up to it. 2,500 is the normal game size (at least in my group), so it may take a while to finish. Look at WarhammerTV for painting tips, here for autistic if not helpful advice, and your LGS for anything else.

Solar Auxilia is cool.

Those two in the bottom right crack me up.
>take the photo, quick, I'm doing a cool pose
>brother, is this really the time?

I didn't say it's not cool, their models are fucking amazing- I might actually buy the command squad to get a Rgoue Trader/Inquisitor. But even here, few people play them, and newcomers always go for the Marines

Question: Did they get more expensive?

Man, a Veletaris squad is expensive...dont get me started about Lasrifle Sections.

I dunno, shit's already too expensive.

True, but 200 eurobucks for a Dracosan and 20 dudes to ride in?

Fucking hell.

MkVI was designed with redundancy in mind. The idea being that the more advanced systems could be bypassed and temporarily repaired with less sophisticated systems, making battefield maintenance much easier. MkVI and VII share this trait.

I'm sure MkIV onwards the suits are fairly compatible in terms of using different parts, as evident by GW plastic kits containing parts from IV to VIII and the fact that all suits after MkIV share the same solid plate constructions, where as MkII and III have segmented plates. Something which could potentially make mixing parts with latter patterns more difficult, which is further emphasized by one of the HH books mentioning that mixing MkIII and IV takes an expert artificer.

Also, in old art you see MkVIs with X-shaped cables.

Major problem with SA is that all the models are FW and thus expensive. No cheap plastic alternatives and little ability to play in 40k, where as you're perfectly able to take your 30k Marine models and use them in 40k with Marine rules.

True, also they lack diversify ingame sadly.

I love veletatis, but the only way to ru n them is ZM or mechanised.

Las rifle goys can at least hold amazing fortifications for cheap points, but cost maximum dosh to buy.

I've always liked the space marines in general so I won't have much trouble finding something I like. Also, collecting and painting the miniatures was the main reason I recently got into 40k because I knew it would take awhile to build a real army.

Thanks a bunch!

Are there plastic kits for MK2 and 3 power armors?

I really miss those models, but I don't think I can trust GW ever again. I let them pimp slap me for 10 years.

There's plastic MkIII in the Burning of Prospero box. And of course tons of people selling individual squads on ebay

That looks kind of neat. Are the Marines in kits or snap-fits, like the starter boxes? Asking cuz two of them Space Wolves run around without helmets.

Are there any Legion symbols on any of the armors or are they neutral?

GW just released MkIII in the Burning of Prospero set, along with Tartaros-pattern Terminators. Like the Betrayal at Calth set, they're very good quality for what you pay for, and you get more in the box than what you'd pay for all of it individually. They're all multi-part, and come with plenty of bits to give you options for loadouts and posing.

Burning of Prospero specifically comes with Space Wolves and Thousand Son transfers, while Betrayal at Calth comes with Word Bearer and Ultramarine transfers.

As user said, they're multi-part and poseable. No iconography cast in the plastic, but the only transfers are for SW and TS

Hmm, not a huge dealbreaker, considering I would be painting Iron Warriors and always detested transfers in anyway.

I will probably go with Prospero here, because I want that mk2/3 swag. The price seems pretty reasonable, what the hell, is that still GW?

Do the custodes models and characters sell well on ebay? Really don't need those.

It's new years, a time of new beginnings. Post your first ever/oldest painted model(s).

Here's mine from 5 years ago today.

I'm willing to bet the custodes will since FW is releasing new units for them. The characters I don't think so much since they're very faction specific (unlike the Calth characters)

For some reason, I thought the EC were supposed to have a high-gloss finish on their armor. Your models looks quite flat.

Fulgrim snorted crack before anyone knew what crack could do to the brain. Thats really his whole story prior to offing BFF Ferrus.

Heres mines from the beginning of the year.

I've never seen anyone do high-gloss EC (at least before they went hot-pink/full-Slaanesh), but his are like lavender over black, so I can understand why they might come off a bit drab in a photo. They probably look better in person.

>The beginnings of my own EC force, got the other 20 marines to finish, and some vehicles arriving this week.

Came up with a rough 1000pt Outlanders list to work towards:

+ HQ (175pts) +

Blackshield Reaver Lord (175pts) [Mastercrafted Halo Blade, Pariah Power Armour, Refractor Field]

+ Elites (45pts) +

Apothecarion Detachment (45pts)
Legion Apothecary

+ Troops (703pts) +

Blackshield Marauder Squad 1 (140pts) [Autocannon, 4x Marauders, Pariah Power Armour]

Blackshield Marauder Squad 2 (242pts) [9x Marauders, 7x Astartes Shotgun, Heavy Flamer, Pariah Flamer, Pariah Power Armour]
Marauder Chief [Power Fist, Rad Grenades]

Legion Reconnaissance Squad (145pts) [Cameleoline, 4x Legion Space Marines, Nuncio-Vox]
Legion Sergeant [Combi-Weapon]

Legion Tactical Support Squad (175pts) [4x Legion Space Marines, Melta Guns]

+ Fast Attack (50pts) +

Legion Land Speeder Squadron (50pts)
Legion Land Speeder [Multi-melta]

Marauder squad 1 sits at back for objectives, Lord and Apothecary go with Maurader squad 2, which will deep strike with help from the Recon squad, along with the melta Support unit...

Am I doing this right? Still learning the game, hopefully I haven't made any major oversights.