Sauron did nothing wrong...

It was a big, holy dog, and it was prophesied to be killed by a foe that wasn't sauron

Super Strong Doggo. Was prophesied to only lose to the "Strongest Dog to ever live"
Sauron turned into a dog to try and kill him, he lost.

He wasn't even a king at that point so how could he call himself "King Excellent"?

Being pre-destined to do stuff wrong doesn't make the stuff not wrong. Sucks to live in a deterministic universe doesn't it?

his name translates to Excellent, and he was king of most of middle earth until numenor captured him.

And then the he made a continent of medieval space marines challenge the gods who then flip that continent upside down. Then the allfather god flips out and cuts the world in half and turns one of those halves into a sphere.

He went by lots of names: Annatar, Gorthaur the Cruel, etc. He didn't like people giving him a name at all if he could help it, except as a disguise.

As for Huan, recall that in the books we never actually see Sauron. Just his hordes of servants, and even their power stems mostly from fear auras etc. Like his master, in the end he was a coward and would never come out to do battle himself if he could possibly avoid it. Recall also that Gil Galad and Elendil defeated and killed him, and THEN Isildur cut off the Ring (not like the movie). That pegs his personal fighting prowess above nearly all men or elves, but he's not a dragon or a balrog.

Sauron is powerful, but his power is about crafting and command and destiny.

Sauron you you got BTFO so hard you're a shade for eternity, stop shitposting on Veeky Forums

>faggots

Elf-friend detected.

Fall of Numenor best day of my life. One ring wasn't enough.

>I'm a shade
>shitposting is all I have left

Gandalf is pretty explicit about Sauron being greater than he is if they came to direct conflict, and Gandalf is an even match for a Balrog. Pretty sure Sauron is at the top of the pile as Maia go.

He was on par with Osse, Melian, and Eonwe in terms of straight spiritual power, but he was always an engineer and architect. It seems like all the major valar had a second, Eonwe to Manwe, Osse to Ulmo, Melian to Yvanna, Miaron to Aule, and Gothmog to Melkor. Sauron's defection meant pairing melkor's indomitable disruptive energy with the grand vision of a control freak and technical virtuoso. Prior to Sauron melkor's MO was to sit in his fortress, make insane monsters, and break his little siblings toys, only after did any idea of militaries or systematic conquest come in to the picture. I wonder how things would have panned out had other Maiar defected and Sauron stayed. Osse was favorable to melkor early creation, and would have made the inner seas much less passable or pleasant, but lacks the dicipline to shape melkor's forces into a war machine, and would mostly cause storms and Orc pirates. Still, a minor foe in the sea might let melkor fuck around in middle earth unopposed for several ages longer. Eonwe is noted as greatest at the wielding of weapons among all beings, and this is even treated as a partial explanation for the inscrutable BS that is the war of wrath, and he would probably fall for similar as Miaron. He would've something of a dark knight and general, similar to Sauron once melkor was defeated, but he couldn't forge rings no matter how he tried, and wasn't inclined to try.

Why did Sauron join Melkor?

So the plot can happen.

This is something I never understand in people discussing fiction - their inability to grasp basic plot devices that are required for things to happen in the first place.

Characters usually have motivations, user

And they have motivation tailored for the plot to happen. Unless the writer is utter shit, that is.

The other user doesn't know his shit, Sauron joined melkor because he thought he could direct melkor's vast cosmic power to produce a world spanning order, which he believed was the proper direction for the universe to take. Over the ages he went from thinking he'd discovered the true perfect world order to thinking he ought to dominate all life because he knew best, and generally he wished to build a perfect totalitarian regime.

He was sick of making shit for Aule and wanted to make his own shit, and melkor was the only other game in the universe

So he was just trying to create a better, more harmonious universe all along?

*Sheds a manly tear*

Mairon was too pure.

He went about this goal by becoming the chief advisor and strategist to a being that can most charitably be called the dickhead God of entropy. He was hoping that when melkor got tired of smashing everything he would get to build a new universe in Bauglir's name, which was a dim prospect. Even if it worked, it would essentially be a universe devoid of anything but the extremes of physics (Melkor), stark, unstoppable machines (Sauron), and fierce motes of flame (the Balrog). At best it's populated by orcs, wolves, and Haradrim, but more likely everyone is dead because melkor likes supernovas better and Sauron deemed life inefficient and replaced everyone with wraiths.

Post more trap sauron

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Sure.
Phobs is a miracle of the universe.

Cute

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boypussy

Eh, this is still trap enough.
Do you have the edited Veeky Forums version of this pic?

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Yep, that's the one. Thanks.

What was it about Haradrim, Easterlings, Dunlendings, and (((Numenoreans)))) that made them serve a being who despised Men and certainly would not have served their interests in the long run?

Sauron loves humans when they worship him as God-King and pledge him fealty and let him run everything. For Harad and the southerons this meant occasionally having wars with gondor and sending pirates to the southern coast of gondor, with the backing of the world's preeminent sorcerer. They aren't particularly aware of elvendom and what they do know they learned from Sauron or the Avari. The Black Numenoreans are supermen who believe they ought to rule the world, and being Sauron's fairest and most powerful servant people since before the island sank they're likely to get it as the chosen people of the God-King if he wins. Sauron hates western elves, because those elves know what he is and won't ever forget what he's done and bow to him.

>western elves

Aren't all elves western elves?

The elves awoke on the shores of a lake to the far northeast, and slowly migrated west on the guidance of the valar. Throughout the migration elves broke off from the journey and settled in the middle lands. The most prominent are the sindar, lead by Thingol and living in beleriand, then the silvans in the forests stretching through the lands east of the blue mountains, and the avari that barely left the elvish motherland remain further east than mordor. The east is also home to four of the seven dwarvish clans.

only gandalf for you

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lookup Huan. It's not your average doggo tbf.

who is the read head?

Can someone explain the joke?

Is there more of this sequence?

You make me sad
Sadly not, but phobs has done other scenes of Sauron in numenor

You mean sead, right?

There is, but it's not suitable for blue board.

Imgur?

>Fair-looking 3rd Age Sauron
>Handsome Morgoth after his fall

i demand to know why sauron looks like a woman

I suggest you consult with Admiral Ackbar.

Evil cannot exist without Good, same way Good cannot exist without Evil.

This is mythology 101.

For reasons.
This idea may or may not be highly contagious.

The song was an echo chamber where everyone said the same damn thing. It was divine tumblr.

The reason, in this case, has a name, and the name is phobs.

wasn't sauron an elf or something like that? And elves are kinda pretty in Tolkien stuff. Bet a drawfag looked at orlando bloom and though
>dang, boi!, 'tis a jolly good idea

Sauron was capable of changing shape and before he took Melkor's mantle his form he held when in Numenor was described 'fair'.
One of the Maiar.

Phobs is amazing.
If only she would draw some porn.

its fuckin cheating if u just draw a woman and call it sauron

It's not cheating if you draw a woman and call it an elf.
The same goes for the Maiar.

strong jawline and adam's apple though. Clearly has masculine features, though soft they are.

Tolkien was a philologist. If he used a word, it's for certain that the choice of that word was thought out.
Descriptions of Sauron are extremely limited. That one adjective is pretty much the only one given of him of what he appeared as before becoming the Dark Lord.

>yet ANOTHER thread about Melkor's butt buddy

You man-bros should be outside improving your strength!

>Looks at the sauce
>It is fucking hentai

well, she does draw porn i believe

There, there, it's okay.

I need links.
I need them really really bad and I need them now.

Why is Sauron so cute bros?

There's mythologies were good can perfectly exist without evil, and it did in the past and/or will do it in the future. It's just not the current state of things.

Not all cultures are about muh balance.

To deceive and manipulate you and your dick.

So the greater part of the setting is never explored, at all, in the slightest, despite being the elvish homeland AND where the majority of dwarves and humans came and went?

Ask yourself is that all really relevant. We don't know about it but we know of it, and that's enough.
LotR is a story about the upheavals in Middle Earth at the end of the third age. Everything else except the mythology and history that Tolkien wrote about explaining backgrounds to the story doesn't really matter.
Arda is as big as any world. Far away places can exist without having much or anything to do with the rest of the world.

I like The Last Ringbearer's take on Morder did nothing wrong better

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer

tl;dr - Mordor was a nation on the verge of industrial revolution but the elves didn't want that shit so they started the War of the Ring

But Sauron helped write the script, or at least introduce themes. So his fate has less to do with predeterminism than getting a hands-on demonstration of just why his ideas are stupid or at least not worth all the people and ideals he's ready to sacrifice for them.

Sauron is basically going through his radical youth.

Worldbuilding done well. If it's not important for the story, don't bother too much with it.

fan.lib.ru/img/e/eskov/last_ringbearer_engl/last_ring_bearer.pdf

and here's an english translation from the original russian. peace out Veeky Forums have a good day

I feel McSweeney's argued this point better:

mcsweeneys.net/articles/unused-audio-commentary-by-howard-zinn-and-noam-chomsky-recorded-summer-2002-for-the-fellowship-of-the-ring-platinum-series-extended-edition-dvd-part-one

You could forge waifu CYOAs.
9 about ordinary mortal women doomed to die.
7 for low fantasy, reality just a little enhanced.
3 for fantasy high in magic.
1 demigod tier.

>'Legitimately' written fanfiction

>Hey this songs real good, but check out this throat-singing vocal solo
>Ugh that is the worst thing I ever heard
>Shut up! You just don't get it!

this

Tulkas should have created a race instead of Autist Aule. They would have been the most awesome people ever.

Could Sauron have tempted Tulkas?

Not Veeky Forums. Go away.

>draw a girl
>call it a boy

>tulkas is a jovial giant that is the only one among all the valar that can get things done
>humans are burly and jovial compared to elves, and unlike elves that are bound by fate humans can get shit done

>t. numenorean upset he falls for sauron's traps even when he knows better

you must be new here

>Veeky Forums is the only board you need lel, just vomit up all the shit you want regardless of how absurdly unrelated to the board's purpose it may be, everyone is obligated to tolerate it!
Fucking
Kill
Yourself

Sauron is cute! Cute!