MTG January Banned/Restricted list update wishlist? Predictions?

Modern:
Mutagenic Growth is banned
Stony Silence is banned
Rest in Peace is banned
Leyline of the Void is banned
Cranial Plating is banned
Golgari Grave-Troll is banned
Grapeshot is banned
Deceiver Exarch is banned
Cavern of Souls is banned

Ancient Den is unbanned
Seat of the Synod is unbanned
Vault of Whispers is unbanned
Great Furnace is unbanned
Tree of Tales is unbanned
Preordain is unbanned
Seething Song is unbanned
Stoneforge Mystic is unbanned
Sensei's Divining Top is unbanned
Birthing Pod is unbanned
Splinter Twin is unbanned

It's been 5 years since Modern's inception. If we are to assume Wizards' reports about the game exploding are true, there is a 5-year chunk of players who look at Modern like Modern players 5-years-ago looked at Legacy, specifically at the fact that you couldn't afford to play it. I certainly was one of those Day-1 Modern players looking wistfully at Legacy. So now, they can't play Modern because it's too fucking expensive so here's Frontier.

At least, that's who we're blaming - new players. When really we should just be blaming Wizards for letting Legacy/Modern die.

I don't blame new players, I blame wizards for two things:

First they seem to think that new players are idiots and everything needs to be simplified because otherwise it would be too "confusing".

And second, for reprinting wanted cards only at mythic in sets that cost 9.99$ a pack and are 90% garbage.

No format is really affordable right now, not even standard.

Reserved list banned (or unbanned, depending on how you see it)
Collectors banned

Low formats entry fee unbanned

frontier isn't cheaper than modern though. If it actually becomes a format, jace goes back up to $80, coco goes to $40, rally is no longer a dollar rare, we lose all the progress we have made on reducing onslaught fetch costs, etc. The ONLY purpose of this format is to make traders money. Why else would a fucking CARD VENDOR promote this format.

There will always be people who are new/didn't by cards from a set and have to "buy-in" to a format that they want, and those that already have the cards and can play whatever they want. Frontier really isn't any different, and the only players that are pushing for it are the standard babbies whose first constructed experience was casting a dozen siege rhinos per game.

i genuinly think the reserve list will finaly be gone in the next few years.

i also think wizards know they are not fooling anybody when they pretend they are not happy about it either

I do blame some number of players. Namely the players who suck Wizards' dick and make up any number of excuses that justify the company's shit behavior.

I use Reddit as the measure of the community - it's pretty much the center of the community whether we like it or not. And Reddit is almost always full of these players circle jerking Wizards hoping that once they lose their collection someone will send them a care package. At first I was paranoid and wondered if these accounts were just paid shills - but they're not, the accounts are people putting in way more time than is worth it to a shill.

To me, it's almost like these players are the drug addict who defends their dealer; the gambling addict who loves their casino. They put a silver lining on absolutely everything bad and are so fucking forgiving when the company does something to fuck them. And I feel that these people are poison to any community - they discard any criticism and linger no matter how bad it is, thus repelling any new ideas/blood.

I'm a bit tired of it all. I don't think I've ever been wrong about the hate I feel for many aspects of the game even though what I'm getting mad about often isn't about the fucking game itself but the life and business around the game.

It's gotten to the point where I hate the people who claim to love the game. When someone says they like something in this game but fails to acknowledge the bad shit I am just labeling them as ignorant and useless.

By only reprinting in a manner that largely maintains secondary prices, they do little to increase playability in modern. It's the same issue with legacy, too expensive to enter competitively, fewer players, yet they fear reprinting because of all the salt from speculators and shops that sit on old cards claiming a right to their 'investment'.

Don't even touch the reserve list, where they *have* effectively given collectors an expected right to maintain prices, which will eventually lead to the extinction of the format, other than the lucky few who started playing 20 years ago and hung onto their cards, or those with vast wealth to throw at high value cards.

The idea that crashing secondary market prices in modern will impact people's willingness to invest in new sets doesn't hold water any more. Standard sets are generally weaker, very few things make it into modern and the prices are low because standard sets are selling more than ever and printed accordingly. WotC are just greedy, keep the print low but charge triple for packs.

As for OP, I doubt any ban lists are changing.

The answer is that if you want to play modern or legacy, just buy chinamen fakes. It is the best way to say "fuck you" to wotc and the investors. Eventually, fakes will become good enough to be indistinguishable from the real deal, and when that happens either prices plummet because nobody can tell the difference, or wizards has no choice but to reprint the expensive shit with the holographic stamp.

Chinamen fakes are a meme, they're really not that good. You could see that they're fake from a literal mile away.

I'm jenuinly ceriois as to how fetch lands could be an issue.

They're good enough that nobody can tell across the table and that's all that matters.

Perpetuating the lie that they're not good enough isn't going to change things. The only way Wizards is going to get off their ass is if the fakes become so mainstream that nobody has any confidence in the real product anymore. And when that happens either Wizards will take action to put the counterfeiters out of business by finally printing the fucking cards we want.

I'm just sorry that small stores have to suffer in the meanwhile.

But user they are printing the cards people want, I mean force of will, for example, got a reprint and so did karakas and rishadan port. all at mythic or as a judges reward promo. ;^)

Can't get rid of the reserved list tho, it would hurt the feelings of collectors and they might sue. :^(

If fakes ever become good enough to be actually indistinguishable from originals, secondary vendors will completely drop support for formats that use the counterfeitable cards. And then Legacy, Modern and Vintage are dead, because Wizards' support is laughable at best when compared to SCG and other big names.
But if there's no money in selling Legacy singles, there won't be any Legacy events either.

And then, ironically, Frontier will actually ascend to being an actual format, from holo stamps onwards, because vendors will look for a new constructed format to push cards for.

Brainstorm is garbage without them.

I'd rather see the formats dead due to fakes and vendors dropping support than have them in their current state.

Consider it like Firefly. In reflection I'd rather Fox fucked it up and cancelled it before it had a chance to linger long enough to become complete shit that is milked over and over again.

Memedern:
Unbanned return.
Legacy:
Unbanned baghdad

2017 IS THE NAZI YEAR.
SHITTERS AUS RAUS.

>ban all cantrips
>ban fucking grapeshot

Frontier costs almost same as Modern and Standard can cost even more than Modern...

At this point I'm more surprised why the fuck people who have 2+ decks of Modern just don't sell out and buy one Legacy deck, as most of them always wanted to play that anyways.

Anyone who wantd to ban dredge is a shitter.

Prove me wrong. You just CANT.

THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE:

Chinaman fakes will become as good as real cards, nearly indistinguishable, but ONLY for new cards.

It is actually IMPOSSIBLE to make fakes of OLD CARDS that anyone would fall far that has any experience in dealing with MtG cards.

REASONS: Old paper and aged paper can't be reproduced to same exact standards. Fading/aging Ink to similar levels is practically impossible as well.

Anyone who handled older cards for years will never fall for any chinaman fakes of older cards and they'll never exchanged those cards.

They will eventually become a huge problem for new cards.

It takes about 5 minutes to see that standard is much cheaper than modern, and that frontier is already raising the prices of staples in its format. If fetches are still in frontier then the format will easily be a 400-500$ format.

They allow greedy 4c manabases, and feed things like JVP and Cruise.

Collectors aren't the problem, MTGFinance is.

>Polluted Delta is banned.
>Flooded Strand is banned.
>Windswept Heath is banned.
>Wooded Foothills is banned.
>Bloodstained Mire is banned.

These would make me jump on the format in a heart beat. But considering the rest of your predictions, my expectations are low.

>Splinter Twin is unbanned
No way, it's still too soon since it's banning, and solely that reason alone- even if it does deserve to come back.

Ban anything with protection from player and Ajani Caller of the Pride and unban eveything else.

It's funny you mention new and players, because the ban list is really only ever there to appease the 'I own every single card and have strong opinions because I spent thousands' crowd.

Literally no one else cares, or would even be affected in any meaningful way.

Sounds like a horrible format. Affinity, Miracles, and Stoneblade would absolutely DOMINATE the format.

>Miracles

Deck is garbage without Brainstorm effects. Since he didn't unban JtMS, Miracles would be tier 2 athe best, even with Top.

if frontier actually banned fetches I might try playing it. I would enjoy a format other than that medical waste landfill fire called standard where 75% of the game isn't SHUFFLE CUT SHUFFLE CUT SHUFFLE CUT SHUFFLE CUT SHUFFLE CUT SHUFFLE CUT

>There will always be people who are new/didn't by cards from a set and have to "buy-in" to a format that they want, and those that already have the cards and can play whatever they want.

That's how they get you. You either buy in now or buy in later. Either way you're buying in. There is no escape. You will pay money for paper.

EDH
>Bring back the "Banned as Commander" list.

Ban:
>Doubling Season
>Deadeye Navigator
>Iona as a commander ONLY

Unban:
>Everything that was banned because of Deadeye
>Black Braids in the 99

Only poorly kept older cards start fading. My mint FoWs look exactly like my fake ones. New cards are the ones that are way harder to fake because of the hologram. The only way to reasonably make a fake M15 and above card is to print over a real card, something that no Chinaman in the world is trying to do.

Standard:
>No changes

Modern:
>Stoneforge Mystic is unbanned
>Simian Spirit Guide is banned

Legacy:
>No changes

EDH:
>Braids, Cabal Minion is unbanned

Banning guide is a mistake imo. It enables a lot of cool and interesting brews. If turn 1-2 blood moons are why it should be banned, then blood moon should go on the banlist instead. Same thing with Chalice of the Void.

Yeah because endless one and eldrazi mimic should've been banned instead of eye of ugin.

Current philosophy says to ban the enablers, not the payoff. This is because blood moon isn't the problem. A turn three blood moon is fine. Turn two is even fine, there's plenty of one mana dorks. SSG bypasses the opportunity for interaction. By "cool brews" do you just mean bad decks that can't compete unless they cheat on mana?

At this point I'm convinced that most "competetive" Magic players are either terribly starved for any sort of self-gratification, or clinically retarded, because holy shit do they gobble up any abuse Wizards/Secondary Market toss at them. Any new format created will only drive the prices up the walls even more, choke off the older formats and become just as bad within a year. It's true for the meme formats like Tiny Leaders and it's true for "real" ones like Modern.

No? Eye of Ugin enabled an entire tier 0 deck to function by its existence. Not even remotely comparable to SSG putting down a Blood Moon early (which does literal nothing against certain decks).

>By "cool brews" do you just mean bad decks that can't compete unless they cheat on mana?

Sure why not. Cheating on mana is a staple of Magic The Gathering and SSG is the only way in Modern certain decks can do it.

You also completely kill Ad Nauseaum as a deck if you ban SSG.

He's asshurt about not being able to buy them when they were in standard, disregard how you could and currently can buy all 20 frontier-legal fetchlands for less than the price of 4x Jace.
He is also naively hoping there will be a deck that can compete with the consistency machine of Abzan without fetchlands, he's wrong.

Modern
>unban sfm
>unban preordain

Legacy
>unban mystical tutor
>unban mind twist

There already isn't any support, so fuck them, chinaman is welcome.

>and nothing of value was lost.

Other than making Modern an even more boring and narrow format than it already is yeah you're probably correct.

>ad nauseum
>deck you see once a year
>interesting and unique deck guize
>makes modern more fun guize
>banning it would really change the modern landscape guize

Right, so there's no real need to ban Guide because no tier 1 deck plays it. Glad you agree.

>bans can only happen with tier one decks
>no such thing as a preemptive ban
It's like you don't play modern.
Do your parents know you spend your lunch money on card games?

There is no chance in hell Guide is on the banlist. No notable deck plays it in the format.

Just because someone dropped a turn 1 BM against you and your fee fees got hurt doesn't make a card banworthy.

Aren't fetch lands still like 25 bucks?

We should all just be playing mirror matches of the top tier decks. It's not actually a test of skill otherwise.

Seriously though, all of the problems with magic, and I mean ALL of them, stem from Wizards trying to design and market one game as both casual and competitive. It just doesn't work without some sort of league system within formats.

>opponent is a cheese machine who can't play magic and relies on T1 blood moon to win for him.
>Island, delver pass
>I'm on mono blue delver and my opponent is down 3-4 cards.
>SSG fanboys are really this retarded.

You're not really hurting my argument. Everyone treate Blood Moon like it's this insurmountable obstacle keeping the fun out of Modern. In reality, Blood Moon is only so effective because Modern players have the greediest fucking mana bases in the game outside of Vintage.

What Modern really needs is a Price of Progress reprint then all the Blood Moon bitching goes away pretty quick.

They're 9-15 at SCG, you can get them SP for 8-12 on TCG/ebay.
On the other hand Jace is hearing $50 a piece.

Fetchlands are not the gatekeeper of Frontier because every MTGFinance guy is swearing by their wallet that ZEN fetchalnds will be reprinted between Atlazan and 2020, and are refusing to invest in them. Jace is the money card of the format, and will continue to be because 2FC are actually hard to reprint in non-Standard sets.

Fetchlands are also absolutely necessary for other decks to beat Abzan, because what fetchban faggots love to forget is that by removing fetchlands you take away perfect mana-fixing from everyone EXEPT Abzan, and Abzan is already the strongest midrange deck and only beatable by 3-4c synergy decks because control is too weak.

No Banlist Moden is the most fun I've had with the game.

My wishlist is ban aetherworks. That card is fucking dumb. I know it won't happen though.

Ha! Ban a super fun MYTHIC RARE (tm) that sells packs and lets little timmy play his big monsters without paying their mana costs? Never!!

Because no one fucking plays legacy.

I live a few miles outside the most densely populated area of the US, there are about 30 game stores within what I'd call reasonable drive distance, and I'd still have to make a day trip if I wanted to get to the nearest store that holds legacy events.

Maybe you just aren't looking hard enough? There are 2 game stores around where I live, one of them hosts monthly legacy events, one hosts weekly events that almost always fire with 12-16 people. Maybe you just are unlucky with your location

You have no fucking idea what "no support" looks like.
Take a look at Extended. That's the future you are facing here.

>Chinamen fakes are a meme, they're really not that good. You could see that they're fake from a literal mile away.

t. Kike City Games and neckbeard hoarders

While I can't say I have gone to or called every single store and asked if random legacy events sometimes spontaneously will themselves into existence there, at the very least none of them host legacy events, and I'm not about to spend the money on a legacy deck on the off-chance that sometimes people will decide to hold a random impromptu event.

Cards shouldn't be banned to be honest.

If I want to run a tolarian academy deck with necropotence i should be able to. Fuck you WoTC

The problem isn't banning cards, but that WotC intentionally prints cards they know will get banned in the future.

Do they though?

Anyway, this game was dead the minute they decided creatures should be the only viable strategy.

>Emrakul, the Promised End is banned.
Emrakul is fine on her own

Aetherworks Marvel is the problem

>her

you mean he

Emrakul is a girl.

Oh i was not aware WoTC fell for the SJW bullshit. I apologize

Well her gender is derived from her god-personality emeria I guess.

Has anyone referred to him as a She officially?

That's not true, xe is referred as female since xe identidies as a demisexual pan-eldritch laundromatic neutralqueer
All the time

It doesn't mater you retards.

Build and play cubes with a close circle of friends. You'll be much happier.

It matters cause when jihad comes your way there are a couple of upsides you might find in the new world of shit.

Did someone say jihad?

>Very few things make it into modern

Since SOI all of the following have seen modern play at the competitive level
>Prized Amalgam
>Nahiri
>Tireless Tracker
>Thing in the Ice
>Gryff's Boon
>Insolent Neonate
>Haunted Dead
>Collective Brutality
>Bedlam Reveler
>Spell Queller, Selfless Spirit, Mausoleum Wanderer
>Blessed Alliance
>Grim Flayer
>Enemy Fastlands
>Cathartic Reunion
>Blossoming Defense
>Madcap Experiment
>Chandra, Torch of Defiance
>Inventor's Fair

I mean, you make that sound like it's a lot, 20ish cards out of 297+205+264 (766) for shadows/eldritch/kaladesh. that's like, 0.03% cards per set being modern playable. and none of them do anything to alleviate demand for existing staples. if they slot into a deck that requires and existing staple, they might even cause it to go higher. like grim flayer renewing interest in junk builds and causing goyf to climb a few bucks again.

printing new modern playables does nothing to help the game's absurd barrier if the existing staples have no increasing in availability or decrease in demand. grim flayer didn't replace goyf, people just crammed him in there alongside it.

I think the only time someone refers to Emrakul with a female pronoun is when the Jacetice League is trying to kill her on Innistrad, and Jace is trying to absorb the mental mindfuckery of staring at al Eldritch Abomination.

Emrakul sees the attempt, actually mind fucks him back (the chess scene where he thinks he's winning the game and then she flips the table over), finds out their plan and mind fucks Tamiyo to cast a specific sealed spell that Emrakul remotely corrupted so that instead of it being some uber-strong death spell (fans think it was something like Armageddon or Damnation) it instead turned into pic related.

During the chess match, Jace sees Emrakul in her Emeria appearance and calls it a 'she' during the match.

The idea/concept behind Modern Masters was going to be WotC's answer to the whole, "printing enough supply to meet increasing demand for Modern-era cards." Except they feel the need to bend their whims to the secondary market (to avoid another Reserved List-like fiasco) and refuse to do large print runs (along with suspect card choices for the packs in each Modern Masters set) to actually follow through on that answer.

As for OP's question, here's what my wishlist is:

> Modern

Stoneforge Mystic is unbanned.
Jace, the Mind Sculptor is unbanned.

> Legacy

Mind Twist is unbanned.

Expected announcement:

No changes to any format.

user, it's star of david city games

>Control is too weak in Frontier

Not anymore it's not. Not anymore.

>Conditional 1 for 1
No user, that's not how control works.

I just realized that shaming people who failed to buy cards when they were cheap, like fetches, explains how shitty the situation has become.

New players are being told that they have to buy as much shit as they can when it's cheap because it's not coming back soon. This is somewhat the same as telling those same new players that they won't be able to play this fucking game due to someone deciding whether or not something gets reprinted.

I really don't think that situation exists in any other form of entertainment. Like, you would not put up with that fucking situation with video games, movies, or books. Board games are actually seeing signs of limited supply - because distributors are just shipping wholesale to big box stores, small dedicated games stores can't stock popular games like Munchkin or Pandemic.

>shaming
I really really want this Tumblr concept to fuck right off.

It's a tool in religious evangelicalism that's been with us for centuries. It's been appropriated by far-left groups to serve their own purposes.

We have failed to expel religion from society and condemn their dogshit practices. And now their irrational rhetoric is being used by other, equally destructive motherfuckers.

But cheer up, AI is at the forefront of scientific/public discussion. And soon, the question will arise as to what sort of ethics we will program into AI and scientists will NOT let religion or SJW have a fucking seat at the table.

*tips fedora*

Standard:
Nothing here just WoTC needs to stop printing spells better than creatures. Looks good in this department.
Modern:
Become immense is banned
JtMS is unbanned
Punishing fire is unbanned, see what happens
Frontier (le ebin 9fag meme format):
Dig Through Time is banned
the Fetches are Banned

Don't be so sure.

>Standard

WotC needs to stop printing these fuckin swiss army knife creatures that have so much flexibility. Buff spell strength slightly and the format will be better