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So I know that Oradin is the go to build for healers, but are there any others? Is Chirugeon any good?
Austin Murphy
What's the age of consent in the prominent realms of Golarion?
Nolan Evans
I can't fathom your mindset.
Liam Murphy
58.
Isaac Johnson
So! How was your weekend, /pfg/? Did your new year get off to a good start?
Colton Cruz
Age of consent in the Middle Ages was kind of like porn; I can't give you a solid definition, but you know it when you see it. Generally, a girl was considered a woman after menarche, aka her first menstrual cycle (which back then could have been as late as 17, due to poor nutrition, though a setting like Golarion it would probably be 12-13.)
This is of course ignoring the most important event of a child's life, and something that was unfortunately destroyed with the Industrial Age and the gradual breakup of age groups; the Rite of Passage. Back in the day, you were a child until you had your Rite of Passage, which in those days and even now was an "easy" way to say "this person is an adult, this person is a child." Rites of Passage could be something as simple as reading out of your holy book while the priests and your family watches (like a Bar Mitzvah) or something as complicated as hunting down and killing a lion.
When you complete your Rite of Passage, you are no longer a child, but a man, and you are given all the rights afforded a man up to and including a wife.
Golarion is complicated in that gender roles vary from place to place, which means a girl might be considered a woman as soon as she bleeds, while in other places she's a woman only after completing a Rite of Passage.
Jonathan Gray
remove weebs
Nathan Jackson
It varies in Varisia, but I'd pin it as early as 12 for barbaric lands like Realm of the Mammoth Lords or Belkzen while the more orderly realms would have clearly defined ages, namely 15-18 in Brevoy, Taldor or Cheliax.
Sandpoint is under the jurisdiction of Magnimar, which is by all accounts an Italian city-state. The rules would say 16, but I've got a feeling the rustic attitudes of Sandpoint might make it lower.
Gabriel Cooper
Have any rites of passage been written up by Paizo? I'm inclined to start filling in the gaps. Would do wonders for backstories.
Blake Anderson
The Shoanti have the ritual where they get their first tattoo, though it's never said when that takes place.
Carson Bailey
Oh, and they're way cool. Easily a top three human ethnicity.
Ryan Murphy
The last thing I want from life is hearing /pfg/ discuss the age of consent. This general is depraved.
Nathan Thomas
Dragon Game DM here.
Its fucking hard to get to an Alternator on a Chevy Aveo. its not hard work, just hard to get to. Had to take off the wheel well and everything.
But yeah, anchor any questions about the game to this post, or feel free to ask them in the LFG here.
I could've sworn the Ulfen have a Rite of Passage, probably something to do with going on your first sailing.
Gavin Cruz
Well yes and no since I am the guy who is good friends with lots of people, but rarely hang out with them outside since they have their own circles of friends they hang out with and as such have no new year's parties to attend to. On a more positive note my group decide to do a what-if scenario where we spontaneously fight Krune from the PFS scenario fully awake from the get go, which is nice since the encounter leading up to the lazy bastard was having a cat vs. mouse with a herald of a dead goddess as she flies away with my fighter tailing her and her getting cut off by a teleporting cleric as the other casters slowly move along our direction. Fun times yay.
Lincoln Watson
Look at it this way; we're discussing actual anthropology and sociological practices and how they might work in the context of Golarion.
Believe it or not, but we're actually thinking about the setting!
Logan Garcia
It's all about masturbating to idea of children, don't try to dress it up.
Caleb Nguyen
Maybe in Kyonin
Carter Lee
What would you say are the other two?
Nathaniel Thomas
I need to know in case I ever play any bright-eyed young people. Otherwise, how will I know what thick, throbbing content to put in their tight, barely legal backstories?
Isaac Jones
What's the age of consent for youkai kitsune?
Jaxon Reyes
Chelaxians for diverse, interesting realms and Lawfulness, and Keleshites, for Arabian Nights shit, beheading those who insult Sarenrae, and sexy brown women.
Dylan Wright
They're foxes. Like, sentient immortal foxes, but foxes. So, like, probably about one year old. 49 years before they learn to shapeshift.
Adam Bailey
BREAKING NEWS! WE HAVE THE FIRST MALE KAIJISTSU SIBLING IN ROTJR!
Nathaniel Wood
Nobody cares.
Levi Clark
12 hours ago, and it's still shit.
Ian Robinson
That's actually a pretty good question. That probably depends on how you fluff them. If they are simple but long-lived foxes for the first 50 years of their life then that's probably consistent with other animals. If not then ig gets stranger.
Also, how would half-youkai kitsune work, for that matter? I made the foxwife for Molthune Knights game but I have no idea! Also, maybe I will try to adapt her to that fluffy First World game.
Kevin Robinson
Why is /pfg/ obsessed with furries?
Blake Kelly
I'll take furries over pedophilia any day.
Jose Kelly
I prefer neither, why isn't that an option?
Robert King
Probably because there are quite a few furry character options, some of which are mechanically viable.
Brody Rodriguez
We aren't?
Jacob Lewis
reflffed skinwalker with a unique heritage
Samuel Nguyen
Because apparently there are enough people that want either to continuously talk about their fetishes.
Leo Rodriguez
Children aren't hot, even if science is, user.
What's considered an adult or not is a huge factor in numerous social dynamics; it determines when someone is able to properly inherit (so it can literally be your timer window for all sorts of regency-type coups), how education's done, and even the ratio of people who leave town...
Gavin Williams
If you want to be a creepy fuck and talk about fucking children don't do it here.
Benjamin Robinson
How high of an optimization standard are the encounters going to be built around?
Brody Morales
Does anyone have any tips for making and playing as a prepared caster?
I am a bit worried that I turn out to be a bit shit. I usually always play spontaneous casters because then I don't have to worry about preparing a spell that never gets used and ends up being a wasted slot.
Or is there a way to regain a wasted spell slot?
I dunno, I am just worried.
Evan Sanchez
user, we've managed to segway from "is she old enough to fug" to "how do Golarian cultures handle legal adulthood". Don't try to drag it back down to childfucking because the conversation acknowledged that's fucked up and started looking at the other parts of adulthood.
Connor Sullivan
I mean, if you want to draw on the actual half-kitsune mythology, then they're said to result in extremely powerful sorcerers but otherwise look human. Fey bloodline probably has the closest fluff.
Luke Roberts
Pick spells that are super versatile, like Summon Monster
Ayden Ward
You know damn well that the entire thing is just dressing for "When can I force the other players to deal with my pedophilia." No matter how you dress it up.
Robert Edwards
Play a cleric, spend wasted slots on healing or harming fools!
Thomas Rodriguez
Which prepared caster, user? Because if you're like, a wizard, there's a discovery that kicks your single-slot spell prep time down to a minute, meaning you can prep your necessary spells and then leave slots open if you need to dig out a utility spell.
Otherwise, well, even if your spells selection is shit one day, you can still rearrange it in the morning. Carry a fuckton of low level utility spells as scrolls, prep general purpose stuff if you're worried, carry a couple cheap wands of stuff you think you'll need.
Zachary Butler
Even if it is, this is starting to look like an awful lot of projecting
Chase Fisher
As long as it doesn't actually start going on about sex I don't see a problem. Whether golarion's sending children off to murder orcs while they're not even allowed to drive or vote, or whether they're not even allowed to take specialized training before they've reached majority (thus starting age being, say, 15+2d8) tells you a lot about a culture.
Crime and justice as well: Consider America, where you can be considered an adult for sentencing in criminal proceedings before you're even allowed to learn to drive, and with a drinking age of 21, you're not only treated as an adult for all the bad stuff, but can't even have a beer legally despite that for some years, and are even allowed to be shipped overseas and shot. You're old enough to sign your life away, but you're not old enough to make your own decisions about booze.
Ages of majority, consent, 'punishment' and all those things tell us a LOT about a kingdom or culture.
Brayden Barnes
If any mention of ages whatsoever immediately makes you think about CP, you might have a fucking problem.
It reminds me of Santorum, and how he so disagreed with gay sex: >If you thought about gay sex about as I do you'd know how disgusting it is (yeah uh, I don't think about it, sorry Rick!)
Henry Davis
It's /pfg/, everything here either starts off about sex or turns into. The conversation started off on raping 12 year olds.
Alexander Rivera
Are you ANGRY that we switched from this? Are you hoping we'll go back to lolicon-stuff from a raging "fuck you" reaction to your trolling?
Are you pic related?
Grayson Brown
I plan on being a wizard, was looking at Spell Sage because of the +4 CL 1/day which was going to be my trump card against tough encounters. I think I will take my time going through what would be viable though.
Juan Martin
If you think discussing rites of passage is pedophilia, then maybe you've got some issues you need to deal with.
Grayson Brown
low.
Alexander Robinson
As a GM, what's a good way to "reward" people for staying in character? I've often heard from my players that even if their characters would (or would not) do something, it's obvious to the players that this is a bad idea. And therefore, they essentially get "punished" for acting like their character would.
As an example, one of my players plays a Fighter with a great love for all things alcoholic. I have prepared some barrels with Amber Ooze in them (3PP monster that hides in Ale-barrels and gives a Will-save penalty when ingested). The chances of him drinking straight from the barrel the moment I describe it are around 90%. But I'm afraid that when I spring this on him, he will be cautious and stop playing his character like he wants to play it. Is there some method that could help me reward my players in situations like this?
Landon Johnson
Hero points, maybe? When a player does something that would be in-character for him to do even when it puts him at a disadvantage, award a hero point. It's something that awards good roleplaying without causing permanent disparity.
Jacob Powell
Leveling up is illogical and immersion breaking There is literally no believable reason why characters become stronger at such rapid rate
Ian Miller
5e has inspiration, if there's any equivalent in PF.
Alrighty then.
Jacob Miller
That's fine, game mechanics have a habit of being illogical and immersion breaking.
Aaron Lopez
To make the game better we need to remove game mechanics
Jaxon Moore
If you want to post like an SA goon, don't do it on Veeky Forums.
Daniel Long
To make the game better we need to remove the player base.
Jaxson Harris
Hero Points could work, but their effects look a bit too powerful for the rate I'd want to award them.
That looks pretty neat actually. I could probably port that system in it's entirety and go from there. Thanks.
Oliver Wilson
My character in a one GM, two player, serial killer-themed, evil game set in post-Jade-Regent Kasai will be using Shattered Mirror.
Craft (sketching) can be a discipline skill for Shattered Mirror.
Would it be terrible if I gave my character Craft (sketching) and had my character produce cutesy drawings with wide appeal to foreigners?
That would mean that my character could attack and defend with the sheer power of manga.
Josiah Evans
>Not tying experience and leveling up into the lore and backstory of your game so it actually makes sense
The reason my players are special is because they can gain this power in such a rapid rate. Where other NPCs devote their entire lives to only becoming level 6 or 7, the players reach that point in just over a month.
Ethan Mitchell
Well explain that power then Everything must have a reason.
Jayden Hernandez
They're the protagonists.
Grayson Smith
In-universe explanation that upholds verisimilitude If you do not have one, you are just breaking immersion
Jaxon Cook
>not craft glassmaking
Xavier James
I don't care, my players don't care. Why does it matter then? Am I having bad wrong fun?
Lincoln Miller
That power is actually linked to one of the Great Old Ones residing on another plan. They aren't the only people with this power as they have met many others.
The Great Old One cannot step into the mortal plane, so he is filtering his power through the PCs as they act as unwilling conduits.
The Great Old One is giving them power, similarly to how a deity grants divine power to a Paladin or a Cleric.
Cameron James
yes
Austin Moore
Well you and your players are definitely less intellectual
Henry James
Hah, okay. I'll bow down to your intellectual greatness and tell my players we're playing how you want now. Recommendations?
Jackson Long
Steal from Dark Souls
Michael Sullivan
Some people are just better than others. PCs are just special because they are better than NPCS
Dominic Myers
I don't like dark souls.
Luis Nelson
Steal from Divinity
Andrew Watson
Don't you want to tell them the game you're running is "like Dark Souls"
Chase Hughes
I have no interest in that either, though. Not particularly? I mean, it's not like I'm selling an indie game.
Landon Reed
What should I do if the locals offer a child bride (10-13) to my character as a reward for saving them from an evil mummy lord? He's a lawful Good cleric.
I'm worried, /pfg/
Owen Miller
Well aren't you boring Get some interests buddy
Parker Baker
...
Christian Edwards
I collect reaction images, how can I fit that into my game.
Anthony Thomas
Print them in each session and hand them out
Samuel Mitchell
And here we go. Fuck this general.
Daniel Reed
But nope, I'm the pedophile apparently, because I know what this general does.
William Ramirez
Say that your faith (or your code) does not allow you to marry a woman who hasn't yet lived through 20 winters in a most polite manner.
Cooper Howard
user, I'm going to say this very plainly.
You're being a fucking stick in the mud by instantly trying to shut down any and all attempts at converting a blatant fetish topic into something productive for both the thread and our understanding of the setting as a whole. This topic started as a thinly-veiled "ey yo I wanna fuck that teen" but it's long-since become a discussion on what "childhood" or "adulthood' actually means in Golarion, and it varies!
We're taking bits of sand that went into our filter-feeder mouths and are trying to spin them into pearls. Just because the origin of this conversation is irritating does not mean the end result of the conversation will be equally stupid.
William Campbell
No, you punch the GM in the face. You tell them you're there to have fun, not to have to deal with sexual slavery.
Joshua Ross
I plan to try this, but my character canonically loses control of his impulses when he drinks alcohol (which we've played for laughs in the past.) I'm worried that the DM will concoct some kind of festival with booze, and he'll be sunk.
Connor Lewis
Losing control of impulses shouldn't mean you do shit WAAAAY outside your character's moral code, user.
Henry White
Converting blatant fetishes into actual conversation spurs them on just as much and makes them come out into the open more. Were furries that big of a deal before we got kitsune, catfolk, skinwalkers or whatever?
Adrian Johnson
How would Cheliax treat adulthood and coming of age?
Ethan Evans
>Is there some method that could help me reward my players in situations like this?
Roleplay is often it's own reward, if you punish the player for staying in-character than you better reward him with some positive roleplaying later.
Example: The Ranger notices some valuable and incredibly rare flowers in a clearing of a forest that could be used to cure his [insert disease or curse here,] but chooses not to pick them because their loss might spell doom for that entire species in the region. He chooses to suffer a mechanical drawback because he wanted to stay in character.
Because of this, the Ranger chances upon a Hamadryad, who noticed his selfless action protecting the forest's ecosystem and, since she is the corporeal manifestation of the forest, he was in a way protecting her. The Hamadryad can not cure him of his malaise, but shows him the way out of the forest and offers to reward him with a rare bow crafted from the heartwood of her own sacred tree when he returns.
Jayden Stewart
Tell me about your experiences fighting cults, /pfg/. Did they try to recruit you? Were they actually a genuine threat to the realm, or were they just a bunch of wackos with too much time on their hands playing with things they didn't understand?
Asher Bennett
That's the idea, but still, probably going to Owl's Wisdom beforehand or something in case he tries to make him roll a save for it.
Anthony Reyes
i like you
Low impulse control doesn't mean 'instant rapist'. In this case? It probably means 'murder all the child sex slaver fuckheads regardless of the political ramifications, flee into the night with all the children you've rescued'
Aiden Fisher
>arrange marriage >"child sex slavers"
No.
Leo Cruz
>Were they actually a genuine threat to the realm, or were they just a bunch of wackos with too much time on their hands playing with things they didn't understand?
Both? I've got regional Death Cults and I've got stuff that would be right at home in a ZOG thread on /pol/