Just finished the movie and I must say I enjoyed much of the setting. Besides the ninth ray that sounded lame and inexplained.
The fact that in the 1911 the author thought of solar powered wings was nice as well as the explanation of why the protagonist was a one man army (different gravity=I'm HULK).
What is your opnion about it the movie and book? What age have you read it? Is the rest of the setting cool/interesting? Are books worth reading? Should the princess show more tits?
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Barsoomian adventure is GOAT stuff man. I love all the old Martian fantasies.
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All the art I associated with it gave me a different expectations for the Princess.
I undrstand the original book loked like this.
But I hoped for stuff liek this.
or this.
I read some of the books in high school--maybe 3 or 4 of them? Anyway, I don't think there's any great sort of depth to them. They're just pulpy adventure on an alien world. It's worth reading one of the books to see what they're like and to see if you'd be interested in reading more--and because there's some historical significance to them within the science fiction/fantasy genre. As far as the movie goes, I found it vaguely disappointing. I had some specific issues with it, but mainly I just don't think it really came together, seeming a bit lifeless and lacking in power. I just never got invested in what was going on. It wasn't terrible or anything though, just a little meh.
but unfrotunately too much nudity was agaisnt disney kid policies.
>some specific issues
tell us more.
Ok I have stopeed with the hot chicks. Now we cna have some discussion.
Not that guy, but I thought it felt like too many cooks. Also a big one for me was deviating from the source not for good reasons, but stupid ones.
Like in the books, John Carter is a 19th century style hero, which became a cliche hero type in the early twentieth century. He's a two-fisted man of action who arrives on a strange planet caught in the midst of a war, and immediately looks to see whose side he's on so he can jump in and start kicking ass and taking names for justice.
It's a cliche, but one so old it's practically fresh these days.
But no, somebody involved thought it important that he be updated to the modern cliche of the conflicted, reluctant hero, as seen in every goddamn movie for the past fifteen years.
So when THIS John Carter arrives, he sits around and mopes about how he wants to go home, and he misses his wife, and this isn't his fight, and he doesn't care, for like a third of the movie until we've seen the requisite amount of angst whereupon he clicks over to suddenly caring.
It's a waste of screen time, and tedious.
My other complaint about the movie is that it was so unpopular, nobody made any Sola porn.
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I really like books because I enjoy simple pulp action. However the setting is objectively great. We have a dying arid planet with once great abandoned cities, wild warbands of cruel green martians, powerful kingdoms of proud red martians, mysterious hidden realms of white, black and yellow ones (seriously), airships, radium guns, half-naked princesses and valiant heroes, everything youd ever need. I always wanted to play some campaign on Barsoom.
Black martians live underground, have black skin, are cruel slavers and are ruled by a queen. Does this remind you anybody?
The movie wasn't good, eg the casting was absolutely awful.
>I always wanted to play some campaign on Barsoom.
Same here, or Dark Sun, which is close enough in atmosphere.
now that I think of it Thri-Kreen are very similar to the tharks.
Currently googling monsters from the setting. Picrelated look interesting. Something I would probably come up as a kid trying to invent stuff completely different from our own word.
I liked the movie enough to read the book. It made re-fall in love with science fantasy pre Star Wars.
Great setting. Dumb stories. I fucking hate old fantasy having to shoehorn humans in it for retarded reasons.
Just write about the martian Johon Cartier instead of hamfisting some retarded shit about humans on Venus and Mars...
Pretty good, and makes me wonder what a fan edit could do to fix it.
Dude, it's the fact that he's a heavyworlder with the resulting super-strength that makes John Carter such a force in the world. (Well, that and being from outside the conflict with an outsider's fresh perspective.)
>Should the princess show more tits?
In the books, everyone is nude save for some jewelry and battle harnesses to hold weapons and ammo. Every. One. It was pretty salacious stuff in the 1900s.
The problem with reading the books as a modern reader is that the John Carter books created alot of the tropes we see now. It's all dreadfully cliche and unoriginal to a modern reader. :(
It is a retarded plot device that is incredibly annoying. A similar thing happens in The Night Land, instead of just going with the idea of humans living near the death of the Earth, it has to tack on some retarded shitplot about a guy and girl from the 19th century falling in love, dying and reincarnating millions of years later.
It is fucking retarded and I hate it.
Okay, you're free to hate it, but it's still an essential part of the story of A Princess of Mars. If you take it out of that story, you fuck everything up royally. John Carter being from Earth is IMPORTANT. It matters all throughout the story, it's not just a thing that was inserted just because.
And indeed ERB did that in some later books, Thuvia Maid of Mars and Synthetic Men of Mars spring to mind. The latter is an adventure by Vor Daj, one of John Carter's Guards, and Carter barely appears, while the former involves his son.
The framing device of course is that John Carter is actually sending these messages to Earth as the novels, so all involve him or his close friends and relations.
For someone who hadn't been previously exposed to John Carter, I thought the movie was a fine introduction.
It is a shit story device.
Just fucking turn John in a specially trained or bred soldier, a hero, etc. Blablabla.
The whole idea of turning Earth into just a powerup is wasteful from the viewpoint of Earth being underutilized in the plot, or gratuitous from the viewpoint of adding unnecessary part to the plot.
It's thinking like this that ruined the movie.
What the fuck are you wanking about, you fucking retard. I am talking about the book. Not the fucking film you mongoloid.
The Earth shite the film added was just as vapid and meaningless as the whole plot point of sending your mind into space with some retarded astral projection plot device.
Just fucking have John fall in some rift in spacetime. Have him be there. Not some gay magical respawn-on-Mars-shite. Have him build some crazy spacetime travel machine, or a spaceship.
I'm talking about you demanding a rewrite of the whole story to suit your personal pet peeves, and weird preferences.
You remind me of that exec Kevin Smith talked to in preparation for the Superman movie that never happened.
>"I love the Superman idea, but two things: I don't want to see him wear the suit, and I don't want to see him fly"
I think the Earth power up is genius. It have some sort of credibility. It allows for a hero story. In most stories a hero is more powerful then the common inhabitants. This is what allows him to make an impact in the world. It is a better explanation then the chosen one/trained by elves/power of love bullshit, Also it is a powerup that goes to his fighting capabilities making for spectacular fights that are consistent.
I AM TALKING ABOUT THE ASTRAL PROJECTION SHITE FOR FUCKS SAKE!
ERB could have written Carter travelling to Mars, or being physically transported to Mars. Instead he picked some mindbogglingly stupid plot device, and it fucking tarnishes a perfect story.
So you've shifted the discussion to a separate issue from "just make it about a Martian John Carter" then?
I don't really care for how Carter ends up on Mars. I just hate the astral projection angle, it leads to too many questions and makes Carter being there feel fake, not important. Like he's still in the cave tripping the fuck out from thirst, pain and drinking trippy cactus juice.
I don't recall Dejah Thoris ever being a violent person in the book at all. It's not until the Dynamite comics about her that she's depicted this way.
That's fine, but that's not what was being discussed at the start of the argument.
Also, dissatisfaction with (admittedly a bit goofy) means by which Carter gets to Mars in APoM led the movie to tack on yet another agonizingly dull subplot to get him to Mars in a more "reasonable" manner, all for nothing, because as the Hulk link explains above, audiences don't want or need explanations for everything, they need drama. Trying too hard to make everything "make sense" is a serious problem in modern storytelling IMO.
Can you help me remember how it worked in the movie?
I watched the movie while I was tripping balls on 2C-b and my memory of it is vague.
Also while I watched the film, I kept thinking I was watching a making-of-documentary extra, because everything looked fake and unfinished underneath the waves of undulating colours and pulsing fractals. I distinctly remember thinking I saw safety ropes during the airship fights.
Oh, something something evil wizard dude something cave something something magic tablet Ninth Ray something something something teleported to Mars.
It really wasn't any better than just "he astrally projected himself there 'cause reasons, now shut up we got plot to do" but it certainly was a lot more tedious. Like having some Star Trek nerd pause the movie to explain how phasers work before he'll let you see the fight scene.
Oh forgot I had the perfect webm for that.
Sword and Planet is fucking glorious.
>Dejah Thoris ever being a violent person
No, she was a demure maiden who constantly needed rescuing in the books. Now every female in a movie has to be a warrior-goddess-scientist who kicks ass.
Both are insipid manifestations of the sexual insecurities of the age from which they originate.
I support this post.
>she was a demure maiden
Fucking dropped. I was hoping she'd be a scantily-clad sex object for extremely explicit scenes. That's what the pictures led me to believe and I almost read A Princess of Mars because of it.
The movie was cool, but it needed to embrace it's inner Conan the Barbarian a bit more. John shouldn't have been such a whiny asshole in the first half, and the princess should have been sexier.
The books were written over a century ago. Explicit sex scenes were not the norm, even for non-literary genres like this.
>extremely explicit scenes.
In the 1920s? Uhh, no, that would have gotten the author a prison sentence. This is not the literary equivalent of Brazzers, sorry.
>Black martians live underground, have black skin, are cruel slavers and are ruled by a queen. Does this remind you anybody?
And the white, blond-haired martians are secretly running a conspiracy to control everybody through religion.
>white, blond-haired martians
Fucking immortal elves.
The hell is 2C-b?
Black Dejah Thoris.
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>The movie wasn't good, eg the casting was absolutely awful.
The casting wasn't the problem, the fact that it was ass backwards was. I spent the entire movie yelling "Jesus Christ, just fuck her already!" and then right and the end it's revealed that his wife was killed right in front of him 5 minutes before the movie started.
They had porn books in the 20s you know.
She, along with all Barsoomian women, is described as being as skilled and violent a warrior as the men of the planet, but it's a serious case of telling instead of showing as the books use issues of honor and tradition to put her in situations where she is never able to actually fight in the story.
...Since nobody else is asking, sauce?
>They had porn books in the 20s you know.
And they were all illegal (at least in the USA and most of Europe), with prison sentences if caught.
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Trying hard to find non-porn pictures of her...
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No, but there are many occasions where she is threatened with rape.
>she'd be a scantily-clad sex object
The first part is true at least. She (and everyone else) is described as being naked save for some jewelry placed in non-strategic spots (like bracers).
Is there a tabletop game for the setting at all?
She was demure, but also wore only jewelry.
If you're hoping for wank fiction where he talks about how her boobs look, not going to be in there.
I've had the first three books for awhile, but only just started reading them.
I am about 2/3 of the way through the first book, and am liking it quite a bit. I love the world building.
I watched the movie a while back. I didn't care for it; I was ready for it to be over like halfway through. Looking back at it, it had a lot of inaccuracies. But that sort of comes with the 'book to movie' territory.
The Chessmen of Mars does briefly describe Tara's breasts just before she starts kissing her servant girl.
>Is there a tabletop game for the setting at all?
Probably going to be that Oynx Path's upcoming Cavaliers of Mars will be damn close
A synthetic variant of cactus chemicals - in layman terms. It makes you trip balls.
Holy shit, are you trolling
"Having super strength because you come from a world with compartively high gravity is so cliche, I mean like three characters use it in modern tv shows and media, including this one. How about you make him part of a genetic line of super soldiers like the trillion other things that use this trope, that will be original" fucking really dude?
The entire point is to interject an outside element and let humans, every day humans, feel badass without having to be some specially anally rectum trained super human hero bred from the semen of zeus and a fucking African elephant. Fuck off with your hatred of mild power fantasy that is so stale it is fresh in this day and age.
So where did Dynamite get the idea to make Dejah into WARRIOR PRINCESS like she's Barsoom Red Sonja? Just their own idea? It seems pretty far from the truth.
It seemed a good idea at the time, it may baffle our modern or autistic sensibilities because the Martians, being low-grav, should not just be weaker than J.C but look frail and elongated. Yet we know Dejah isn't supposed to be a skellington.
>Should the princess show more tits?
The actress was cute, and there was no way in hell we'd get Frazetta/Boris style costumes in a blockbuster movie.
>RREEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeee stop insulting my self insert
Gods, you are more pathetic than more fa/tg/uys and weeaboos.
Dunno, but to be fair, Carter's ass kickingness does seem to be contagious even in ERB's original works.
Feels bad man.
There were a couple of women who picked up weapons to fight, but never Dejah AFAIK.
Then again after the first book she's just John's wife and babby mommy so she doesn't exactly get a ton of page time.
THere should be a giant mechanical spider.
That looks uncomfortable
Leigh Brackett's Mars would make for some good RPG.
Sword of Rhiannon ftw.
For the doggies?
She's not black, she's very toned down red, because in the books the martians have red skin.
If you think she looks vaguely ethnic it's just how the artist draws literally every pretty female.
Good read.
And being barefoot on those hard rocks.
Redesign the suit and base Supes off of the original comics where he couldn't fly, just jumps really high.
It's not exactly rocket surgery here. Unless the proposed changes are a complete dead end, don't fight against them. Work with them and make something great despite the restrictions
That's not an issue since the place doesn't look cold and it isn't gravel, humans evolved to walk/run in rugged East African landscape.
Hey fucking retarded autistic cocksucker. Read the conversation you faggot sissy. You might learn something.
Sure, he is the retard not the "HURR DURHH what an earthling does on mars, make him a supermutant clone experiment because I demand it".
I've no idea what you are doing on this thread Luke besides trolling.
It's my favoriter pulp sci-fi. The movie was also a fun experience.
It's a shame that Disney marketed the movie like crap on purpose because internal bullshit
So is Barsoom THAT GUY the setting?
You're thinking of 40k.
>still hasn't read the conversation
Keep pretending you're not retarded you fucking spic. Reading English to hard for you?
Internal bullshit? what?
That's Gor.
In the books, ERB mentions that they don't wear clothes maybe once and then it's never mentioned again.
It's just really obvious in the art.
Basically the John Carter movie was one of the last projects of a previous department at Disney. So the new department marketed it like shit on purpose to make their own upcoming projects seem much more competent and successful in comparison.
Doesn't Gor also have hilariously bad prose compared to Barsoom and women needs to be raped to not die?
And it was a trilogy that bloated to *30* books. 30!