Why isn't infinity the most popular wargame?

it's shitty scifi. like 40 other shitty scifi games.
40k is atleast over the top.
StarWars is cool and have magic.
infinishit OTOH...

Ariadna's werewolves for better furries. Otherwise there's some good ones out there.

The minis are a nightmare to put together, with tiny joints and metal being inherently less comfortable to work with.

The basic rules are simple, but the game suffers from special rules bloat like a two-week corpse, making it extremely newbie-unfriendly

The prices are some of the highest on the market

Community that is more fanatical than apple consumers and cringy as fuck

And the game makes for an awful pick and play game- without ITS, which funnels forces into very particular meta, it's down to entranching and shooting the other side cause there's no reason to move out of cover.

>ITS

I fucking hate every infinityfag I run into and their obsession with those god damn rules I love the fucking game but ITS is just not fun for casual players.

See, I like Infinity's setting, not necessarily for what it is but for what it allows you to do.

It's basically a loose justification for letting you mix together various flavours of sci-fi and historical armies along with random anachronistic historical characters together, and that's kinda why I love it. Space knights led by literally Joan of Arc? Sure. Anarchic space-punk criminals working with golden age of islam spice road guards in space? Fuck it, why not. Scottish werewolves? Toss 'em in.

It's kind of a kitchen sink, but it's a well crafted one, where you can see how all the pieces fit together and it does kinda make sense despite the eclectic variety available.

>Be me
>See picture first
-Four beast people
-Three techno feral creatures pouncing or readying to attack
- One break ascetic in favor of sex apparel anime-eqse girl who does not have anything threatening compared to her companions. And looks like she's lost her fucking keys or something.
>Go to reply based on picture.
>Before posting, Read title. Read topic.

Jesus Christ.

>Models are the same generic sci fi look as a million other games and artwork

I can honestly say that I've never seen anything that looks quite like a Father Knight or a Hac Tao or Intruder. The only similarity I'd say they have with anything else is overlapping plates... which is kinda how armour works.

I'd like to hear what classifies something as generic or not generic from one of the people with this complaint, because it seems rather arbitrary.

I think Infinity is a great setting.

Not a fan of wargames sadly I was really hoping for the RPG to be awesome but it fucking isant. The writers are shitting all over the lore and the rules are just the fucking wargame in RPG format.

I can do the wargame since not even people play fucking 40k where I live plus I am not the biggest fan of miniature painting.

See This is probably just an anti-infinity trollthread trying to be a bit more subtle/to get people on his side by making the OP seem like an annoying infinity fanboy.

Genuine answer:

Skirmish game, so limiting appeal to those who want to play skirmish games. A lot of people like playing with more elements on the table.

Far too bloody many special rules to remember. Seriously it's taking the piss with how fucking many special rules there are.

Miniatures are intimidating to those of mediocre painting skill, particularly given that each one is a centrepiece because it's a skirmish game.

>Infinity could get huge if they make a nice video game
>lets make a manga!

>the rules are just the fucking wargame in RPG format.

They're not, though? It uses Modiphus's in house engine, which has been a thing long before they got the Infinity license.

Because its a game of crit fishing and the rules get more and more convoluted. Add to that a rapidly increasingly toxic community (still not near 40k or WMH levels though) and that's why!

Manga?

Wait they are fucking making a manga are you joking around?

>Modiphus's

Wait Corvus got those shitheads?

Cinematic combat is and will always be a meme for RPGs

ALEPH must be the army with the greatest tonal disparity imaginable.

>"Ey ey, ai ai ai, it seems people wish to be the Ghost in the Shell cyborgs! Es making army of this!"
>"Research el also shows that same people los want to be literally Achilles en his oiled up war buddies!"

Porque?

Branding honestly.
My FLGS recently got a couple Infinity sets, from the packaging, I thought it was something like Skylanders at first.

On a first glance, they make no indication to tell you what the fuck you're looking at, whereas 40k shows big bold pictures of the models in formation, Battletech shows mechs shooting mechs, and Blood Bowl shows you two armies holding a ball down a field.

Yeah, it is kinda obvious.

Still, considering how thoroughly all the haters were exposed as lying asshats last time, I'm fine with watching this go down again.

>The prices are some of the highest on the market
To be fair, high prices with really good looking models, not to mention a super low model count. I don't know if you looked at the anti-infinity thread yesterday but they talked about a lot of ways to start a 300pt army for under $100. I think infinity is one of the cheapest games for model quality. Hell pic related is only $10. Sounds pretty good to me.

Oddly enough I think the infinity community here is the largest Infinity fanbase on the internet

I'd like to get into Infinity (and Guildball), but the local wargaming community consists of two guys who play Flames of War and two guys who play Warmahordes. I'm exaggerating, but it's really that small.
I don't care about any of the games, and I don't know any of them.

>Far too bloody many special rules to remember. Seriously it's taking the piss with how fucking many special rules there are.

Have you ever read the full list of special rules in 40K?

It genuinely vast.

Go to Guildball it has less and easier rules than infinity for newbies

Miniature games in general have to many fucking rules for no reason.

I come to these threads to talk about infinity but people only care for fucking table top

Furry shit.
Generic soldier shit.
Tali shit.
Mecha shit.

There's your answer OP.

I would fucking love if people actually made infinity lore threads like they do for 40k lore. But not even alot of infinityfags care for the lore

Lore faggots ruined Veeky Forums im glad the infinity community arent like 40cucks in this regard

Hopefully this'll change after the RPG eventually releases. It's had problems but I'm still hopeful for it, especially how tough CB are being on Modphius over the lore.

>Mecha

No joke. Makin a manga.

I'm kinda looking forward to it

Think her tits are out too

40k is also a bad system for that same reason.

>Miniature games in general have to many fucking rules for no reason.

You'll probably find most of the special rule laden ones are coming from a fairly small group of writers who were all almost certainly associated with Games Workshop at some point.
There's a fuckton of more streamlined games out there that don't take every opportunity to supplement a (usually bland) core system with a wall of special rules. But they're not the ones getting pumped out by GW/Warlord/Battlefront and so on, and don't play like whatever GW game people grew up with so hardly anyone is paying attention.

>I don't have any real criticisms so I'll just use vague buzzwords

Did your crushing defeat in the last thread really get you so mad that you had to make another one?

You're never going to convince anyone that this game is bad. Last time you literally did the opposite and convinced someone to try it out.

The Nomads are sorta fucked up like that. Well, Bakunin is.

How to make Infinity well known

>focus on DEEPEST LORE
>make a video game

That is literally all they need to do miniatures alone cant help you.

Furfaggotry is bannable

Table top is what keeps this place floating faggot

Infinity is kinda funny like that. It has 'furry' models in the Nomads and on Ariadna... But if you actually look at the lore, it fucking sucks.

Amongst the Nomads on Bakunin your choices are mindless human-animal hybrids used for combat sports and sex, or you're a drug and surgery addicted freak who has no place in human society and will do more and more extreme things to get your fix until you die, probably young and tragically.

Meanwhile, on Ariadna, you're part of a hated and heavily oppressed minority where the only careers really available to you are hard labour or the military.

Its also at the same time making it unbearable

Can you niggers stop asking for an infinity video game.

I am too. If they made an anime it'd be even better.

The universe is begging for a good videogame too.

Let's make 30 threads about which Primarch is the best when they're all trash-tier garbage.

Arent most infinity table top players extremely competitive? Those types barely care for lore they are more gameplay/rules people

This.
I don't really like the system, but the yiffing stuff is too much for me.

I can only speak for my local community, but we're pretty casual.

No, faggot, it'd be great.

People do actually talk about lore in the general, but mostly in a joking fashion, as Infinity lore hasn't gotten to the point where it's serious business for a bunch of assbreathing neckbeards that maintain little clippings of fluff to prove their headcanon is the correct headcanon.

Probably the thing that gets discussed the most is whether or not ALEPH is a good guy.

You're thinking of Warmahordes.

And Wraithhammer 40K: Unpainted Taudar Edition.

You honestly sound like a great person

I know.

Except there is no yiffing going on. Well, there is, but as said, it's all portrayed as creepy, bizarre and horrifying.

Nothing like the usual passive aggressive attitude of the infinity general

Is this why people hate infinity players?

Lel, you still mad that you mostly get ignored when you go there to troll. Stay luminous bruh.

And seriously, I'd rather have the casual discussion in Infinity general to being a den of Carnac-infested vitriol that explodes into angry squabbling over the smallest fluff question. There's a reason I don't discuss 40K on this board anymore, it's like unpinning a hand grenade and just holding it at arms' length.

"40k is doing it too" is the sign of problem, not merit.

>there is no yiffing going on
Why does the pic in the op have nipple plate then?

Because Bakunin is a creepy, fucked up place.

Although in the context of those models they're undercover cops who infiltrate creepy body mod groups and such, so they're probably just part of her cover.

but I post and I dont troll in the general.

Alot of people there just I dont know act like elitist assholes

>who infiltrate creepy body mod groups
So you're saying, in setting, there is a lot of yiffing.
Why would you lie about it then?

Read the post at again, in full this time.

>A great community
Anyways the setting doesn't have any particular draw to it. It's pop sci-fi without any real frills. That's why.

Tiny dudes with rifles are everywhere. Even Warmachine has the warmachines that are its namesake front and center.

>there is no yiffing
>Except for the creepy yiffing.
I read it right the first time.

is why I like the setting and the draw I see in it. It might not to be everyone's taste, but I don't think it's fair to say it doesn't have any draw.

Well ALL know that the nomads kidnap dog faces all the time

You realize that by your definition there's yiffing in WHFB and 40K, right?

Beastmen nigga. And Skaven. And Slaanesh in general.

Horrible beast mutants and their proclivities is only really 'yiffing' if it's actually treated as something erotic and tantalizing rather than something repulsive and terrifying.

All the lore is shit

Expect for Ariadna and Nomads they are cool rest are boring as hell.

The problem is, you want flexibility in your lists..which means you can start an army for 100$, but you will probably need about 1/3rd of the entire factional lineup eventually.

Incidentally, that brings me to the 2nd point about prices. The model startup cost is low, but the terrain and accessory one is probably the highest around. The cardboard terrain sets helped some, but still, there is no other game on the market that needs, not recommends but needs as much terrain and peripheral accessories in shape of status tokens, silouhette markers and such. Maybe Warmahordes, but I've not touched those since Remix 1st edition so I dont know.

It's not really elitism to point out that the 40K community here is a powder keg. There are plenty of fans that steer clear of many threads simply because they'll often turn sour very fast.

Fucking this

I play Infinity and the number one defense the infinity shills do is the cheap cost which is correct kinda. but later down the line if your community does have an active infinity scene you need to make lists of an ever chaning local/global meta. Still love it though im not hating or being "le epic troll" there are some things people need to know

The second thing infinity shills do is constantly post haqqislam and Ariadna models to say "SEE GUYS SEE INFINITY ISANT ANIME SEE!!!!" which in turn they are making fun of infinity itself I personally think.

>but you will probably need about 1/3rd of the entire factional lineup eventually.

This is super false. I've never even had to dip out of the sectorials I play.

>The model startup cost is low, but the terrain and accessory one is probably the highest around.

THIS, this is true. You really do need a fair amount of terrain for Infinity. Not as many as some people think, but you do need it. Luckily, if you play at your LGS, you'll probably have enough provided at first.

>"SEE GUYS SEE INFINITY ISANT ANIME SEE!!!!"

Literally no one has ever claimed that the game doesn't draw inspiration from old anime.

>yiffing in WHFB
Yes. It used to be how Beastmen reproduced bak in the day. I'm not sure if it's been retconed.
>repulsive and terrifying.
Naw. Tons of people have rape fetishes.
Look at tentacle porn. It's still porn, even if it's portrayed as horrible and terrifying.

>Naw. Tons of people have rape fetishes.

Sure.

But just because some people find something hot doesn't mean it's explicitly designed to be hot. Furry porn is drawn to be erotic, Beastmen are designed to be repulsive and nasty.

>I'm not sure if it's been retconed.

It's been... hushed.

Nothing's ever retconned it, GW just doesn't talk about it anymore. Basically, they are rapemonsters, but it's not highlighted in the lore like it used to be.

He means people post the models to counteract the anime shitposters

Nobody counteracts them, because there's no reason to. It's self-evident that Infinity draws some inspiration from a bunch of anime and there's nothing bad about that.

People counteract the idea that everything looks like 'mecha', or that everything looks the same.

Well what lore do you want to about? I just got the human sphere a few days ago. I really like lore in general and i dont mind sharing a bit. I would recommend grabbing the book though to support the game

>Luckily, if you play at your LGS, you'll probably have enough provided at first.

If it caters to Infinity in any extent. Otherwise you end up with 40k cityfight terrain...which actually does not work,because you can draw los through all of those buildings. Due to trueLoS rules in infinity not only you need lots of terrain, that terrain needs to be structurally sound, or you can draw lost like it's not even there.

Alot of the communities here are terrible

This is like /v/ most of the time

>Father Knight

You've never seen anything like this... dude that is sad.

Top of my head Hellgate: London.

game legit has too many rules. Whens the necromunda remake.

Get the guys who make Nu Xcom to make an Infinity game ill never play the wargame but the lore interests me alot.

That furry sexual dimorphism.

its not historical enough for me. I prefer games based on real life events. more fluff available in the form of documentaries, memoirs and books. Easier to get immersed, and gives you a point of reference for how the forces should handle.

The generals do a decent job of containing them, unlike /v/ where they're allowed to roam free. Veeky Forums is also only slightly cancer whereas /v/ is basically all copypastas and not-even-trying-to-hide-it porn anymore. You could nuke /v/ and Veeky Forums from orbit and only improve this website.

I think a bunch of people don't play GW games simply because they are GW games (I'm one of them)

So they play every thing else, and need to tell every one how great they are, but most people just want to roll 30 d6s and see how many space marines they kill

Why dont you play it? Its not expensive plus the community isant like 40kids

...You're referring to the templars, I assume?

Literally nothing alike. The only similarity between them is that they're both vaguely modeled on knights.

You might as well say that Hellgate and EYE designs are exactly the same.

with historical wargames you can built 2 full armies of cheap 1/72 airfix miniatures for $50 total and download a free ruleset. It doesn't get much cheaper than that.

He said look like, as in visually distinct. Space Knights are like the easiest thing to find.