Now that the dust has settled, what's his alignment?

Neutral Evil. No values, no ideology, and no beliefs of his own. Purely out for himself, will say whatever gets him supporters no matter how unfeasible or whether he really intends to follow through. Will align himself with anyone and anything if it furthers his personal power. Will make decisions that do harm to others if there's a chance that doing so will further his wealth and get him what he wants, will espouse ideas he knows to be false or detrimental to the whole if they benefit him personally. Has no interest in using his power, once gained, to do anything but help himself accrue more of what he has.

None of it is personal, it's just business.

Note that Hillary is Neutral Evil as well. She wanted to be president for solely personal reasons too.

Chaotic good. Is striking against evil, but not playing by the rules. He's a loose cannon.

Neutral Evil.

Lawful Incestuous Pedophile

I don't get it, that defines lawful good.

I hardly consider the mass exile of racial groups and doing his best to stir the pot between neighboring nations Good aligned actions, but I'm keeping an open mind for the moment.

Chaotic Good.

You're still a faggot, and the reason the entirety of /qa/ has deticated itself to begging for the removal of /pol/.

Don't forget to report and sage.

Mhhhh.... He doesn't think like me so he must be Evil!
I'm sure he will use the law in evil ways, but I'm sure he doesn't care about it, so I'd say Neutral!

wat, do you even know what good means in dnd?

True neutral.

Shit meme.

> mass exile of racial groups
Deportation of criminals. Comitting crime is literally the first thing they did upon coming to America, since they crossed the border illegally.

A mass exile of a racial group that doesn't belong here is the same thing as repelling invaders.

>exile
>implying they're citizens and therefore can be exiled to begin with

Right on both counts, insofar as the D&D alignment grid can describe any human being. Thank you user, I wasn't expecting a reasoned response in this thread.

You do realise that Mexico has a wall on its southern border and tortures the absolute shit out of illegal immigrants fleeing from drug wars in Guatemala and Bolivia in their custody right? Mexico might be the biggest fucking hypocrite in history when it comes to illegal immigration policies. They blast the US but do things 10x worse bordering on atrocity. Also Mexico is a nationality not an ethnic group. He didn't say he wanted to kick Latinos out, he was very specific that he wanted to send criminals breaking the law back to their own countries

Advocating the deportation of illegal immigrants isn't a fucking humanitarian crisis and wanting to secure the American border and prevent the trafficking of drugs and even sex slaves into the United States from a country embroiled in a violent drug war doesn't make me a Nazi/bad person

But the majority of illegals come here legally via a visa and just overstay. This is just contributing to the THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF MEXICANS JUST RUNNING THROUGH THE DESERT FOR OUR JOBS meme. when there are minimal means of entry to legal citizenship and the application process is a bottleneck, it's not quite as easy to become a citizen as one would think.

>when there are minimal means of entry to legal citizenship and the application process is a bottleneck, it's not quite as easy to become a citizen as one would think.

Yes, they should take the hint.

Nice thumbnail

Naturalizing foreigners is against God and nature!

so? a country doesn't have any responsibility to another country to allow immigration

trump's immigration policy is literally obama 2.0 and what he's doing only counts as "stirring the pot" if you believe that the current FP consensus is the only acceptable equilibrium
i don't like the man either but jesus fucking christ can you take your head out of your libtard echo chamber for once in your life

Literal retard.

The NSA is drawing pictures to try to explain shit to him because he's too stupid to be briefed normally or receive routine updates.

Trump doesn't actually give a shit about immigration except as a source of cheap labor.

They're not the majority though, DHS said that the number of people who overstayed past their visa was 40%

>b-but user, deportation messes with my plans to erect a society as mixed as possible in the west. you don't agree with that? racist homophobe cis scum!

true neutral, with a leaning towards lawful neutral

Fake news

There's lots of people who came over there centuries ago by boats and their descendants have decidedly overstayed, so let's start by deporting those.

>when there are minimal means of entry to legal citizenship and the application process is a bottleneck, it's not quite as easy to become a citizen as one would think.
And? Why does America have an obligation to make immigration and naturalization a quick and easy affair?

So no immigration and zero naturalization is the good path? You do realize that there's fuck all the government can do to change demographics, right? And that affluent white people simply aren't going to have enough babies for demographics to stay the same?

Most of these illegals have been here for years. Many have naturalized and have productive lives as Americans, but are booted because immigration has the same issues as veteran benefits: a bureaucratic bottleneck (ironically the fault of the dems who are so for immigration).

It does when its birthrates are low as fuck. White America is struggling hard WITHOUT kids. Someone has to pick up the labor they can't.

to the contrary, he's smart enough to not be played by the "Intelligence" services. you, otoh, are a legitimate moron who hasn't grasped the concept of trust but verify yet.

and don't get me started on computers where trump is 100% right when he says: don't send anything via computers if you want to play it safe. also tracking hackers is exceedingly difficult. especially if they are behind more than 9000 proxies

yeah, not everyone shares your dream of turning the entire western world into brazil, faggot.

> T-t-t-there are not enough babies, better import somalis and mexicans en masse!

False equivalence, by that logic we should deport Brits of Germanic descent from the UK for over running the Native Celts or the Germanic Vagabonds from France and Spain

It happened over a hundred years ago. Shit analogies that sound clever for a Facebook post don't actually offer solutions to the threat of organised crime being sent across the US-Mexican border.

Most illegal immigrants themselves are victims of organised crimes, forced to pay smugglers who then hold their families in intricate extortion plots in exchange for getting them across the border. This is the kind of criminal system that your analogy defends

>not everyone shares your dream of turning the entire western world into brazil
who said anything about brazilianization? it's just the truth of the matter, and the sooner you look at the simple facts about trump's historical comfort with using and encouraging illegal immigrants, the less disappointed you'll feel when he does jack shit to change the demographic trends of this nation

>You do realize that there's fuck all the government can do to change demographics, right?
we'll see about that in the coming 10 to 20 years.

>but are booted because immigration has the same issues as veteran benefit
no, they are booted because whites need to stay in control of the USA, Europe and Russia.

>White America is struggling hard WITHOUT kids. Someone has to pick up the labor they can't.
no. no one does. you simply shrink and grow a bit poorer and less powerful. but you retain full control of your own country.

Chaotic good
he will make America great again but don't care about political correctness or established practises

>mass exile of racial groups
you should not believe fake news

Not necessarily en masse, but we should probably cut some of the bureaucratic BS so that we can actually let people immigrate. This has the added bonus of making background checks both faster and more efficient, too. That means those criminals hopping the border you're so worried about can be weeded out earlier in the process.

Unless of course, you're just afraid of non-white people in your country, in which case I really can't help you. That's not the case though, right?

>yeah, not everyone shares your dream of turning the entire western world into brazil, faggot.
I haven't posted anything about my own politics in this thread.

>bringing race into this

What the fuck are you talking about dude? Nobody said anything about white people and birth rates. You're just intentionally trying to be combative. I don't care if the country becomes less white and I never made any allusion to it either

but he already told the DHS to prepare for the wall. it's going to happen. and deportations are also happen. as for further demographical changes, these don't need to be addressed in the coming 4 years.

Neutral Evil. The man's a billionaire. I guess you could say he's Chaotic Evil on the basis that he doesn't give a fuck about the law for it's own sake, but then again who does?

>So no immigration and zero naturalization is the good path? You do realize that there's fuck all the government can do to change demographics, right? And that affluent white people simply aren't going to have enough babies for demographics to stay the same?
There are lots of ways to change or influence demographics, all of varying legality and morality.
The easiest is to simply not give welfare to families with children, grandfathering in welfare recipients that already have children, to disincentivize the growth of lower class demographics (read, non-whites)

>Most of these illegals have been here for years. Many have naturalized and have productive lives as Americans
And? Being a good person otherwise doesn't reduce the penalty of a crime. I don't get to commit grand theft auto without consequence just because I donate 50% of my income to children's cancer research, for example. The punishment for a crime is the same regardless of the individual, whether they be scum on earth or the closest living being to a saint.

>It does when its birthrates are low as fuck. White America is struggling hard WITHOUT kids. Someone has to pick up the labor they can't.
Then perhaps, instead of worrying about immigration, it would be more prudent to incentivize having children in the middle classes.

>zero naturalization
Both Hillery and Trump said they would make naturalization easier. Where did this no immigration nor naturalization meme come from? Trump said a bunch of times he would prevent illegals entering by building a wall and making naturalization easier.

>Unless of course, you're just afraid of non-white people in your country, in which case I really can't help you.
it's simply not in my interest to import millions of men with different skin color. has nothing to do with fear. oh, you think I should be colorblind? guess what? the sexdrive isn't colorblind and for as long as it isn't, i will not suscribe to your cultural-marxist ideology.

tl; dr people with different skin color aren't just brothers - they are also rivals

>It does when its birthrates are low as fuck. White America is struggling hard WITHOUT kids. Someone has to pick up the labor they can't.
Additionally to , why does America (and by extension, pretty much the entire western world) need to stay on its current growth curve? It's a cancerous mindset to think that anything other than accelerated growth is bad, in that it's literally the mindset of cancer.

>we'll see about that in the coming 10 to 20 years.
That we will.

>no, they are booted because whites need to stay in control of the USA, Europe and Russia.

Yeah, because being non-white means you automatically must subvert the interests of one of the largest demographics in the country. That's just what brown-skinned people do, right? Brilliant.

>no. no one does. you simply shrink and grow a bit poorer and less powerful. but you retain full control of your own country.

What I don't get is this 'take america back' mentality. I understand talk radio and news agencies have sprayed you with lies about a dictator running your country (ironically the same rhetoric the left is pushing regarding trump) and how whites are some kind of threatened group, but if you genuinely believe that being white is more important than being american, you're not really american. It reeks of needing an other to blame for your own failings or the failings of corporatism and crony capitalism. But keep voting against measures that help whites in the majority, because those 'damned foreigners' are 'using up all our welfare'.

That's an internal problem to Mexico. Or are you saying you're advocating American intervention on foreign soil?

Uh, I'm pretty sure brought race into this, dude. I'm just responding to him.

immigrants are not convinced:
>bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2016-08-09/trump-sparks-naturalization-rush-ahead-of-november-vote

anyway, this thread has gone off the rails enough, im out.

>Implying America hasn't been pissing on all the pies for 50 years.

>People want to fuck people they find attractive, so therefore people with a different skin color are rivals.

I can't even fucking begin to understand how you came to that point. Please, I would love to see what brought you to this point. Not in a 'prove it because you're wrong' way, I just genuinely want to know why you feel like that and what info you draw upon to reach such a conclusion.

>you automatically must subvert the interests of one of the largest demographics in the country.
nobody said anything about subversion. i am saying that people of different skin color are not only brothers but rivals by nature. they have their interests and I have mine and sometimes they are aligned and sometimes they are odds (due to rivalry). communists don't get that, of course, because they never get the role of competition in life.

>Yeah, because being non-white means you automatically must subvert the interests of one of the largest demographics in the country. That's just what brown-skinned people do, right? Brilliant.
Not him, but it's not actually a conscious effort of the 3rd world hordes. It's just their nature.

>but if you genuinely believe that being white is more important than being american, you're not really american.
Civic nationalism is at the forefront of all my judgements, but if it's a non-trivial issue that people of a certain ethnicity tend to not meet those civic standards, that's just how the bones fall.

I didn't bring race into it, faggot.

I said they should take a hint.

because sufficient people develop preferences for it to matter.

We don't necessarily need growth, but we do need to maintain a certain number of people for the workforce or else we're not going to be stable, economically. right now, white people are in decline, birthrate wise. I can see how that makes white people need to feel defensive about our ethnicity, but I'm not talking about opening the borders here. I'm talking about allowing in people who want to become naturalized american citizens, who can't do that because immigration processing has been crippled by red tape in a way that makes it slower AND makes background checks less efficient.

>hes chaotic evil
>when hes literally the law now
user plz, hes lawful evil at best, anyways hes saying and doing the same stupid shit obama was and nobody wants to shit on obummer, the main difference is he wants to shit on the fed and lobbyists.

racial in-group affinity is natural and inevitable, as we are reminded of every time we open up a fucking porn site. when there are win-win situations, sure people will go for those within reason, but a lot of the time there aren't meaningful win-win situations, there are just win-lose situations. And every racial in-group will try their damnedest to make their people win, and make other people lose. I'm not even a conservative, but having your eyes shut to the reality of the race war does no-one any favors, even and especially if you're a kumbaya type who wants to end racial strife

I'm not the guy you replied to.

>That we will.
No need to wait.
It's literally already happened.
Go look at what happened when we changed our immigration policy back in 1965

>Yeah, because being non-white means you automatically must subvert the interests of one of the largest demographics in the country.
Of course. That's why democrats are so desperate to import them.
Because they vote almost unanimously for increased power to the state and welfare.

>What I don't get is this 'take america back' mentality. I understand talk radio and news agencies have sprayed you with lies about a dictator running your country
When someone dicates law, in circumvention of the checks and balances that are supposed to exist, as Obama has, that person is by definition a dictator.

Trump has done nothing so far in regard to laws, and the things he says he wants to do don't involve simply taking out a pen and declaring his word to be law by fiat.

>and how whites are some kind of threatened group,
They objectively are. Just look at demographics.

>but if you genuinely believe that being white is more important than being american, you're not really american.
America was made by Europeans, for Europeans, as an outpost of Europe, based on European laws, and philosophy.
Whites should be a majority in America for the same reason that Japanese people should be a majority in Japan.
It's their country, and if a bunch of Mexicans turn up on Japan's doorstep, they have every right to refuse them, and they should.

>It reeks of needing an other to blame for your own failings or the failings of corporatism and crony capitalism.
Whites are in blame insofar as they allowed this situation to happen.

>But keep voting against measures that help whites in the majority, because those 'damned foreigners' are 'using up all our welfare'.
Monorities do use welfare at much higher rates that whites, and immigrants are a net drain on society, regardless of what CNN tells you.

I can understand that. Cultural and individual divides exist, you're absolutely right. Please realize, however, I'm not talking open borders. I'm talking about immigration reform and how it could solve a great deal of the problems with illegal immigration and how said illegal immigrants are accepted into or denied access to the country.

>Dogwhistles aren't bringing race into it

Who are 'they' then, in your initial comment?

>because sufficient people develop preferences for it to matter.
'Sufficient people'? Not sure if I get the way you phrased that, could you rephrase for me?

Neutral Evil, like all businessmen

They, them.

I like the defense by citing the atrocities of others.

But your paladin falls. Reroll, son

>if a bunch of Mexicans turn up on Japan's doorstep, they have every right to refuse them, and they should.
because that's going so well for japan and its economy, right?
America needs foreign migrant workers. That's just how developed economies work. Korea imports Mongolians. The gulf states import Indians. The problem isn't with immigrant flow, the problem is that white Americans are too cucked to keep them in their place; you're not going to magically make people grow necessary race-consciousness just by removing a budget-friendly number of illegals

The powerful must defend the weak and uphold Justice. Period.

Lawful Good or bust, nigga

>We don't necessarily need growth, but we do need to maintain a certain number of people for the workforce or else we're not going to be stable, economically. right now, white people are in decline, birthrate wise. I can see how that makes white people need to feel defensive about our ethnicity, but I'm not talking about opening the borders here.
Then let's worry about the birthrates, first and foremost!
There are legal and ethically acceptable methods to manipulate demographics, so it's not just down to how the tide flows.

Humans are clay. If you have a problem with their culture or belief, just change it. Create productive, responsible citizens instead of pointless hatred or bickering.

Lawful Good.

Extremely Authoritarian and by the books. Sure he stirs shit up but he doesn't break the law. Anyone saying evil knows nothing about politics.

But user, that's racist! Being uncivilized savages is part of their ethnic culture! Stop non-white erasure!

You also presume that all clay is of the same quality

I'm not saying that racial groups won't have tensions. However, we exist in the time of the fewest racial tensions worldwide (despite what media outlets want to push, statistically, race-driven crimes and conflicts between ethnic groups are down). We're also seeing the development of geographical collectives that have little regard for their race, but rather care more for protecting their location and the rights and powers of those dwelling within it. Also, I don't know if pornhub is exactly the place to get information regarding race relations, just IMHO.

>Because they vote almost unanimously for increased power to the state and welfare.
So do a lot of white people. Welfare almost always benefits poor whites just as much, if not more than blacks, yet they vote against it because of division.

>When someone dicates law, in circumvention of the checks and balances that are supposed to exist, as Obama has, that person is by definition a dictator.
Obama got fuck-all done with a hostile house and senate, but sure, he ran a dictatorship. He was a shitty president but come on, he wasn't exactly Stalin here, or even close. He didn't fuck with your right to have a gun, even though every conservative radio program said he was going to do some kind of mass gun grab. All in all, he was an uneventful (even unmotivated) prez, not a goddamned dictator. Also, some of the things trump has suggested are, in fact, in violation of accords and conventions traditionally held by the united states. Not going to say he's a dictator until he acts on any of those, though, because he's not the prez yet (and the liberals really need to figure that one out).

>They objectively are. Just look at demographics.
Point me to your studies. A decline in birthrate due to economic factors is not extinction, or even close.

>Humans are clay.
true
>If you have a problem with their culture or belief, just change it.
grotesquely naive
there are very strong, very prevalent forces molding people into what they are today. you can't just say "race is a social construct" and handwave away the problems that niggers and spics cause, they're still that way for a reason even if it's not strictly genetic, we do not have any actionable solutions at this point in time other than making sure they don't get too uppity and too prevalent

It's good enough. I won't euthanize retards either, m8. Use all the tools in their proper place to further the Great Work

>user plz, hes lawful evil at best
well ok but that's not better or even meaningfully different from chaotic evil.