/swg/ - Oh god we're all doomed edition

Why do fighter pilots usually need this? Does it translate to sealed spacecraft?

This design is my headcanon for Rogue Squadron pilots, considering how often they eject into vacuum. Plus they look dope as hell.

The wook says a Sector Group or Fleet consists of 2,400 ships, with 24 being Imperial-class Star Destroyers, 1,600 being smaller warships. My questions for you, gentle anons:

How many of those do you think are Victory-class SDs? What are the other 776 ships? How do you think the 1,600 is broken down into Tartans and Lancers and what not?

>What are the other 776 ships?
Probably support vessels, like tugs and storage ships.

Various munition, gas and other support ships. Im sure there are ships dedicated to field repairs as well

LGS is having an Armada casual event tomorrow, and I want to try out something that would be legal in the Corellian Conflict (that is, no more than 1 upgrade per ship, not including your commander). I'll be playing Rebels when we get our campaign up and running.

I have one of each Rebel expansion and one each of VSD, GSD, Raider, and Arquitens expansions.

Here's what I've put together so far, but I'm dubious about the corvettes: armadawarlords.hivelabs.solutions/view_list.php?token=62680&key=beaeaebd7ae2fa4d5a3c589240931b6e

Also, what do you think about objectives?

At the minute, they are mostly relying on the idea that the resource richness is in the back ass of their territory in the Unknown Regions, and so Sorosuub prospectors and the like don't know/don't care. They are pushing a lot of that military power up to the border to patrol it, and being very careful who does and doesn't travel between worlds. All the mining is done by state contractors out of Sienar-Jaemus and Kuat-Entralla (which is no longer, much to the frustration of their employees, based out of Kuat or Entralla).
It is a completely unsustainable situation, so I am framing part of the ideological need for their encroachment on Republic territory as a need for agricultural space, beyond the restoration of the Empire.

Got a big game coming up, /swg/ and I need a choice. Gotta get to the top of the imperial players for prizes, top placement overall is nice, but not required.

Scimitar Squadron Pilot - shuttle, mk.ii engine, fleet officer
Countess Ryad - Tie/D, ion cannon, predator
Glaive Squadron Pilot - tie/D, ion cannon, predator

-or-

Rear Admiral Chiraneau - predator, engine upgrade, gunner, hotshot co-pilot, rebel captive
Countess Ryad - Tie/x7, mk.ii engine, juke

-or-

Rear Admiral Chiraneau - Veteran Instincts, gunner, hotshot co-pilot, engine upgrade
Rexler Brath - tie/x7, mk.ii engine, expertise

TIE pilots have them, and I'm pretty sure they're sealed as well.

>Out of the 2400 ships of a sector force only 24 are SDs

Seems a bit few, also, how huge is a sector in SW? Does it have one or more star systems within it?

Er, Saturday. Not tomorrow.

Sectors vary in size, but all of them have multiple star systems.

Yeah but TIEs don't have life support so they need breathing apparel.

Right.
Still, just 24 SDs. Oh well, I suppose Im just spoiled by logh when it comes to fleet sizes.

In my head I think of it like a us carrier battle group patroling a large chain of islands in the pacific, they arent everywhere all the time but can show up ata moments notice if shit goes down

Tarkin's Doctrine is basically that. Small garrisons over every planet with a massive fleet ready to hyperspace wherever needed.

Obviously they must have something, or Fin and Poe Dameron would be dead.

Different TIEs. First Order has life support and shielding on all their craft.

But they still have hoses on their helmets.

Remember, a single Star Destroyer is capable of suppressing all resistance if not wiping out all life in most systems. They only group together for actual space battles most of the time.

And the odds of several systems in a sector simultaneously amassing a fleet capable of defeating a star destroyer and escorts at once is very remote.

First order special forces TIEs were different. I cant remember it had a hyperdrive or not, or if that was the TIE advanced, but judging from the film they either had limited life support, or they were just living off of the air sealed in with them. Their objective was to escape, and if Finn knew the fighter couldn't keep them alive long enough to get more air, they wouldnt have taken it, they would have taken a shuttle or landing craft. The fighter was just smaller and could just keep them alive for planetfall.

I think the TIE/sf has life support. Even if it doesn't there would be enough oxygen in there, they get shot down after only a few minutes.

It's a fashionable choice.

For real tho, you can't expect me to explain the internal consistency of TFA.

As it happened they were only in the TIE for a short time, but I have a hard time believing they planned to use some other ship to get the map back to the rebels/republic.

Extreme g-forces fuck with the amount of oxygen heading into your brain. Fighter masks adjust the oxygen/nitrogen ratio so you don't passout. It also saves money and space because you don't have to pressurize the cabin.

In space it makes even more sense because if the cabin isn't pressurized you won't be sucked into space from hull fractures.

Nope, Pablo said TIEs are sealed and do basic enviro now (because Rebels crammed like half a dozen people into a slightly modified /LN ball), the pilot suits are part of a basic "safety protocol".

Though personally, I assume the safety protocol is because canonically TIEs still only have like, 1 day of consumables or whatever so you can't hope your system lasts long.

I stand corrected then. But it does make sense for any space ship to at least have basic life support.

I believe someone has already edited the API for dice rolling for this, but you may need to be a subscribed user to do this.

So, standard advice. Does the system break anywhere? Are there any important limitations that I should know of?

Can we be domed?

That is the "bare minimum" for a sector fleet that a Moff is expected to maintain.
So, that is what you can expect in some of the more far-flung, bumfuck nowhere sectors that no one really cares too much about. The closer you get to Coruscant though, the more value, income and assets the Empire has to maintain beat into line, so they will have more ships, the odd crazy huge battleship here and there... all the way up to critical manufacturing centres like Kuat Drive Yards and the CEC holdings that they rely heavily upon. Those are essentially 'unassailable' by conventional means to the point its just all a bit silly.

So Mr Moff needs 24 star destroyers in his poverty stricken shithole. in the early years of the Empire you'd have a lot of Victory-1's and the odd refitted 2's, a lot of relics of the clone wars in the Venators.
Mid era of the Empire, most of the Venators are scrapped, new Imp1's start rolling out in huge numbers and the better off sectors sell their Victory classes off the dud areas.
Endor there's the Imp2 and a whole swathe of other scary shit running around like Secutors, Tectors and everything else.

Those 1600 combat vessels, they might range from old timey customs corvettes, Neb-B's, Carracks, Corellian gunships Dreadnoughts, Vindicators and probably the odd locally manufactured ships. A few specialist ships like 418's and if you're really lucky- a torpedo sphere for the moff on a budget that can't afford their own death star but might still need to crack someone's planet.

What's a good way to hint that the poor, neglected astromech the party just picked up from a junk dealer is actually a psychopathic droid serial killer that escaped a Tarkin Initiative facility and was barely kept in cheklck by a junkyard restraining bolt?

I've thought about having it start attaching random parts of other droids to itself, like replacing its legs with probe droid arms and its middle leg with a KX from the waist down. Just slowly turning into a total monster. Or maybe finding junk droid parts "hidden" in weird places throughout the ship.

The droid feels yandere loyal to the party for freeing it too.

>caution: rogue robots
Small system-wide broadcast? How far away has this droid fled?

>Your passion's give you strength
>And trough strength you gain power
>You have seen it
>You have felt it
>You must break your chains
Such is Sith life

They picked him up on the same planet as the facility, Tatooine. They have now left for an obscure mining colony to repair their ship after a battle. Their ultimate goal (right now) is Taris.

They don't know it yet but their lives are about to get more complicated; TI wants that droid back.

Well Finn probably saw this as his only chance to escape since he has no idea how to fly a ship himself.

iirc hand waved as the flightsuit has a small field like they have on the hanger doors to trap oxygen inside. Heat, not so much.

The ship combat rules are the knly thing I found myself caught out on, weapon direction and ship momentum being the big things.

TIEs are not pressurized, but Rebel craft are. Several times in the books remember them saying the wind whistled out of the craft while they are seatbelted.

See

huh, ok then

Is there one of these watch lists for Rebels yet? I like it well enough, but of the few episodes I've watched there are a few that are a little too "kiddy" for me. A children's cartoon, kiddy? Say it ain't so!

Hm, I guess I prefer the idea that Ties don't have life support, but the cabins are sealed so whatever air got into the craft while itwas landed is still trapped in the cabin after launch, and the flight suit has it's own environmental systems because that pocket of air isn't nearly enough to last the pilot the entire duration of a typical sortie.

I've been thinking of putting one together for some time. Unless a good one already exists, I might post a prototype here soon-ish

Unfortunately not yet. Rebel episodes vary even more then TCW on the scale from terrible to absolutely amazing.

Why is the E-11 so short? Because it's used mainly by ship-bound Stormtroopers?

Does the Imperial Army have a standard issue rifle that they use? Do they issue bayonets in a galaxy far, far away, and a long time ago? These questions bother me, Anons.

Though its mostly terrible. Its only good when its not about the main cast, but even that tethers to the wrong end.

Do X-wings still have shields? Because from what we've seen they tend to explode from a single hit.

>to absolutely amazing.
The only episodes I think that qualify are the season 2 openers with Vader.

Don't think they'd retcon away anything explicitly mentioned in episode 4.

>Do X-wings still have shields?
>"Angle your rear deflectors"

E-11 is easier to produce. As the Stormtroopers dropped in quality so does their armament. Even though its short it has a folding stock.

IIRC, in one of the Thrawn or X-Wing books, it's shown that T-65 has a rebreather mask and umbilical stored in the ejector seat or just behind it. Luke uses those while performing repairs in vacuum.

It's not like masks are usually needed by Rebel pilots anyway. Inertial compensator magic lets them maneuver without much stress on their bodies. Most Rebel fighters' ejector seats have emergency mag-con field generators to give the pilot a bubble of air. And let's be honest here, Johnny Reb is probably fucked anyway if he has to eject in space without a search-and-rescue shuttle nearby. All those safety measures will do is let you choose how to commit suicide before the Imps capture and interrogate you.

Season 1 had one or two good episodes. Season 2 everything with Vader was great and the Jedi Temple episode was also pretty good. Mando stuff is ok too, I guess.

Silly user. Those the exploded didn't have plot armor.

Then why do they explode so easily? It triggered me all the way through Rogue One.

Stormtroopers are to Imperial Army soldiers as TIE Fighters are to _____?

Stormtroopers are supposed to be marines I think, so a gun short enough to be used in cramped hallways makes sense I think. You see a lot of Stormtroopers repping DLT-19s but those are heavier.

I wish I knew more about Imperial Army stuff, I'm about to run a campaign and I want to keep stormtroopers as an "oh shit we fucked up" enemy and use regular army dudes and CSA soldiers as disposable mooks.

Stormtroopers are the regular dudes

>stormtroopers
>not the mooks

I mean, this is a setting where you can make a rebreather or artificial gill which lasts at least a couple hours fit in the palm of your hand. Giving the TIE an air scrubber and a pressure seal probably isn't hard - but making it last longer than a flight, like you say probably isn't worth the expense. So the suit is there in case you run out, or take combat damage or have to eject because you can be sure as shit there's no "backup" life support system in the fighter.

>as TIE Fighters are to _____
Z-95s and most other Clone-era tech.

Also, the E-11 is most likely far lighter than the big DCs of the Clone years. Carrying the latter must have been about as fun as lugging around a BAR or M14. For the old Fett clones, switching to the Space Sterling must have been a relief.

Because a hit harmlessly deflected of the shields doesn't look as dramatic as a ship exploding, so we're only shown the lethal shots.

Stormtroopers are still the special dudes. The imperial army are the regular dudes, you know those dudes with the black uniform and silly helmet.

I recall in oldcanon that stormtroopers were supposed to be the more elite branch, with a quote to the tune of "stormtroopers arrived before the regular navy troops had even mobilized"

The season 2 finale just leaves you with blue balls because they don't fucking answer or show what happened to Ashoka. That and copter-inquisitors.

These guys? I thought they were gunners, specifically.

This is still canonical, kind of.

starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Army

"The Imperial Army had its own infantry, distinct from the stormtroopers. These troopers were made up of a mixture of conscripts and enlistees and used to garrison planets. They were significantly easier to sway the loyalty of in comparison to stormtroopers."

"The stormtroopers, the Empire's elite shock troops were organized under the Stormtrooper Corps, which operated as part of the army."

We've never seen an army trooper in the new canon, but we know they exist.

But it shows that the rebels care about their pilots. Not to mention how dramatic it can be with shield-o-meter going down and the pilot trying to retreat to his allies.

those are gunners, the regular army are the dudes in the OTHER silly helmet.

Just checked the mega, does no one have a copy of the Lost Stars book?

No not that.

This dudes. They are similarly armed and equipped like the dudes inside the AT-AT in episode V.

I'd need to closely detail skim R1 again, but in ANH Xs usually explode from a concentrated burst of fire - and in the trench they've explicitly moved all their shields forward to protect against the weapon emplacements which leaves them vulnerable to being bushwacked by Vader, Mauler and Backstabber.

You mean the surplus guard we only saw in Episode 6?

>armadawarlords.hivelabs.solutions/view_list.php?token=62680&key=beaeaebd7ae2fa4d5a3c589240931b6e
I would put Assault Proton Torps onto that scout frigate.

Yeah those. They are the army regulars that number in the millions.

>We've never seen an army trooper in the new canon, but we know they exist.

Because people want to fight stormtroopers, not some rejects that we never see. If I remember correctly from Lords of the Sith they're just a PR thing anyway. Stormtroopers would move in as soon as the planet's citizens are put at ease.

Also Wookieepedia needs to get it's shit together

>Also Wookieepedia needs to get it's shit together
Get it? Since when did they have it?

I don't know about you, but I'd rather fight local conscript pukes than a squad of the Emperor's Finest.

Billions, at least.

They serve as gunners, but also as military police and soldiers as part of the Imperial Navy.

Stormtroopers are a third division of the military structure, separate from either the Army or Navy.

Use Google to find an EotE Dice roller hangouts app, it'll let you use a dice roller that everyone can see and you can open Roll20 in hangouts as well, so it's all in one big window.

So I'm thinking of in my first session, instead of my players blasting past stormtroopers and dogfighting TIEs, they'll blast past Imperial Navy Troops on hangar detail, and dogfight with some old V-Wings: does this sound plausible? What else could I do to give the vibe that the high-level stuff we see the Empire use in the movies is not the only stuff that the Empire uses in the entire galaxy?

They've always exploded easily. Shields block like two shots before breaching.

Stormtroopers are a skill varied bunch, depends on the locale and training. Lothal bucketheads were local conscript tier at first, but then improved by the time Thrawn visits the factory. As Lothal was becoming more important as an asset to the Empire.

In game terms you can fight stormtroopers to keep the star wars feel, but tweak their skill level depending on the challenge. Or place in actual specialized or elite troopers.

>the Emperor's Finest.
That's propaganda

The training program of a grunt on Coruscant and a grunt on some shit-ass farming planet aren't going to be the same quality

Except the grunts being trained on a shit-ass farming planet aren't likely going to be Stormtroopers: they're going to be PDF, or Imperial Army/Navy troopers.

Way I see it, Imperial Army/Navy troopers are like regular soldiers from Halo, Stormtroopers are ODSTs. They still die by the bucketload, but they're a cut above in equipment, training, and experience.

Just read through all the Vader Comics, loved them. How does /swg/ feel about them. Kinda feel sorry for Tagge and it made me wish for an alternate timeline in which Luke joins Vader when Vader reveals everything to him.

Can you post some Imperial propaganda? Or is there a repository of it somewhere?

I'd be down with going over the list with you.

I thought it was disappointing, we were promised Game of Thrones/House of Cards style story, but we got Vader murdering wacky cyborgs
The art could be better too.
Overall, it's ok, but that's it

Posting this again. I'm working on a Star Wars Fate Core hack. Anyone want to give it a quick read?