HHG/ Horus heresy general

BFG and Armada has plenty of Imperial and Chaos ships that existed during that time. I don't think dedicated Marine vessels like we have in 40k were a thing back then, outside of Legion flagships and such. I'm sure for the most part, as evident by CSM shit usage, Legions used same ships as Army.

I'm sure all ships are capable of planetary assault, since drop pods should be pretty universal on ships, even if Marines are the only ones that get to use them in the game. I suspect ships with launch bays are best, since they got capacity for lots of transports. The Terminus Est was said to be a very capable, purpose built planetary assault ship and it sports a ton of launch bays. The Despoiler class ships were based on its design (though thousands of years after the Heresy).

What? Dusk is part of the evening twilight..

The only good fist is a dead fist

Sigvald is the only good swordsmen I know of, who is this imposter

>Would they just stand there doing he psychic nosebleed thing until one collapsed?
Either like this (Mind Control Test excerpt in Amateur Rock Me Amadeus)
youtu.be/Pke3A2XuBLg?t=140
but full wizard on wizard combat would be like this but wearing power armour
youtube.com/watch?v=TPtisahQGMs

Good to know. I'm trying to find the smallest void ship capable of launching drop pods or having a launch bay. I'm running on the assumption that my players are going to try and steal the ship.

Why have we started naming threads, is it threads since AWG killed himself, or since we ascended from the cesspit
This and primarchs having to form trust with their legions is what I want BL to focus on, also more. Also more bolter porn pls
>evening twilight
What is default twilight, or do you have monrning and evening Twitter

Beep Boops?

>when the traitors get uppity

How did that proof work? I was not around then. My only experience with siggy had him shot to death on turn one when my enemies got very cross with my Imperial Fists ally. Stats are terrifying, though, but every melee monster on this game can be shot up, and it's one of the things I like about 30k, a neophyte at it I may be.

Iron circle
Pertuabos bodyguard
Fists are the true traitors, that SoH was awarded sanguiniuis heraldry

BEEP BOOPS.

>Why have we started naming threads
It's a new year thing :)
I mean the IWs did claim the IVth
>do you have monrning and evening Twitter
Nah, but we do have both nsfw and wsfw Veeky Forums :^)

Daily reminder that you poked the bear

It's okay though because at least siggy isn't bitch enough to get killed by Abaddon at the end of the first black crusade right?

RIGHT user?!?!?!

I'M NOT CRYING!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course, what are you a peasant without seperate dawn and dusk twitter accounts?

>:(

Oh, or like this
youtube.com/watch?v=YI3NoBeNwfk

It was a combination of the designs like those used by Chaos in BFG, Battle Barges, Strike Cruisers, assorted Imperial Navy ships, and Glorianas typically leading their fleets. Chaos BFG ships are just ancient Imperial designs, though the Imperium largely abandoned that style design after the Heresy (iirc there's one type still serving in the Navy by 40k)

This was the Terminus Est, once upon a time during the Great Crusade.

Technically any ship has a launch bay, because shuttles and transports have to land somewhere to load and unload their cargo.

I'm sure, if nothing else, that you could just whip up a custom ship design based on like a light cruiser that has the capability to launch ground assaults, if such a vessel is paramount.

Don't you love how smoke goes upwards in space so you gotta excuse the ship is moving downwards and similar?

They've been vague about ship details. Some of it just seems to happen by accident, e.g. each legion was given a Gloriana-class battleship as a flagship and most look like Emperor-class battleships, but FW drew the IW's as an upsized Space Marine battle barge. Some of it seems to be deliberate so that they can get into more detail in the future.

Another mistake (predating the HH game) was that the BFG fluff said the Despoiler-class battleship entered Imperial service in M35 or M36... but then they released the Terminus Est, a Despoiler-class battleship that fought in the Great Crusade and the Heresy (it was Calas Typhon's ship). They quickly "fixed" it by saying that in M35 or M36 they found the plans for the Terminus Est and created the Despoiler-class from it, and all of them turned to Chaos due to some inherent flaw.

If you look at Battlefleet Gothic Imperial Navy, Space Marine, and Chaos ships, you can probably use any of those in your legion fleet. Unlike in M41, legions definitely used cruisers other than just Strike Cruisers. BL novel covers mostly show Imperial Navy-style ships (vertical armored prows). FW's black books show IN-style escorts, an IF grand cruiser that looks similar to the Vengeance-class ships (transitional between IN-style and Chaos-style), and lots of battle barges.

They'd all launch drop pods.

>Chaos BFG ships are just ancient Imperial designs, though the Imperium largely abandoned that style design after the Heresy

Except plenty of the ships used by CSM are post-Heresy creations. And some of the ships used by the Imperium are pre-Heresy. So this divide is incorrect.

Very helpful guys. I appreciate it. I may just whip a ship up for them since this game has gone so far off the rails.

This IF ship?

>or do you have monrning and evening
Twilight is the period between dawn and sunrise and between sunset and dusk.

>plenty of the ships used by CSM are post-Heresy creations.
Not really. I just went through the BFG and Armada rulebooks... it's true of the Planet Killer, which is a one-off, and of the Idolator-class escort designed and built on Xana II.

The Infidel-class raider almost counts, but it was designed for Imperial use and then the plans were stolen.

Aliexpress and eBay often have some recasts. They get removed and re-posted every couple of days.

>Aliexpress and eBay often have some recasts. They get removed and re-posted every couple of days.
I'm actually not looking for models. Just information on them. I'm running a Black Crusade game during the Horus Heresy and I don't need stats so much as I just need some basic stuff like names and primary function. Still, what I've gathered thus far has been supremely helpful.

>OTT Magos/Dark Magos anime duel

I don't even particularly like anime, but I do want to see that. Fund it.

>black templar so much cooler than their founder legion

it hurts not having them in HH

I think he is arguing the technicality that they're 'post Heresy', because some of the Chaos ships are from M32-M36. But it doesn't change the fact that the Imperium has a bad history with these designs of ships and by 40k has almost completely abandoned them, although they once commonly employed such designs (and similar ones) during the Great Crusade and Heresy.

So for the purposes of the original user asking about ships, you have plenty of options for ships, and even small cruisers or escorts would have drop pods and hangars available for use.

How good are land speeders in zone mortalis?

Assuming they're less than 4" across

What are you talking about? You do have Templars, just they were crusading alongside the rest of the Legion. And you know Dorn and his legion were THE Crusaders, not just 1000 select dudes in his legion.
I think a salamander Librarian said once that he could melt people with his mind, that what was the power of technology when compared to that.
But Tigurius did fight mentally against this necron dude.
It was funny because he was thinking it was going to be a hard fight, that the guy in front of him possessed technology so advanced it looked like magic, that resistance was futile, that he should better bow before him...
And that was when he realized the thoughts in his mind were being implanted by the trolling necron :^)

>Despoiler, M36
>Desecrator, M41
>Retaliator, M35
>Styx, M32
>Acheron, M41
>Hecate, M33
>Murder, M33
>Infidel, M40

And that's just ones liked to specific dates.

I just meant the aesthetic really, I just can't get into the yellow.

The real reason is the same as why CSM have different backpacks from SM.

Do you like taking dangerous terrain checks everytime you move?

Templar Sword Brethren are majority black officially.

IIRC, the chief impetus for most of the IN's transition away from the blade-like "Chaos" design had more to do with changing tactics and aging vessels, with some notable exceptions like the Despoiler and Repulsive classes, both of which had some internal flaw that made their gellar fields flicker way beyond tolerance.

This is mainly hinted at in the fluff for the grand cruisers, but back in ye olden days of the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy, IN doctrines was centered on heavy "linebreaker" ships (like the aforementioned grand cruisers, but also the Glorianas, Ironclads, and more "typical" plowshare cruisers), which plowed forward straight into the enemy formation under the covering fire of the rest of the fleet. The "Chaos" designs, being optimized for firepower over protection, fit this role.

The change to the modern IN designs seems to have been fairly long-going and dates all the way to before the HH, as hinted by transitional Vengeance grand cruiser, which had an armoured prow that wasn't much stronger than the rest of the armour. The blade-like ships remained in service for millennia, however, with the Murder-class cruiser in particular remaining *the* ship-of-the-line of Battlefleet Obscuras until roughly M38.

Templar Brethern.
Also, legions did have alternate colour schemes for individual chapters. Just look at this guy. Not a confirmed Black Templar, but come on look at him.

Actually I'm playing white scars, so now that I think about it, that's the ONLY model that would care about dangerous terrain. Hmm.

There's a lot of ship classes that only existed during the Heresy and were dropped soon after. Galleass of War is a ship class that doesn't exist in M41, for instance.

I've been heavily into doing 30k BFG for a long time, though I think the rules would need to be tweaked to account for the more deadly weaponry such as Rad-Phage, Nega-Phosphex Webs, Macro-Lances and similar.

>Thunder edge pattern chainsword
Why doesn't HHG have chainsword autism fights? We have Armour autism and Boltgun autism, why not Chainsword autism?

>Galleass
That's just a High Gothic way of saying Galley
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galley
>Galleys were the warships used by the early Mediterranean naval powers, including the Greeks, Phoenicians and Romans. They remained the dominant types of vessels used for war and piracy in the Mediterranean Sea until the last decades of the 16th century. As warships, galleys carried various types of weapons throughout their long existence, including rams, catapults and cannons, but also relied on their large crews to overpower enemy vessels in boarding actions. They were the first ships to effectively use heavy cannons as anti-ship weapons. As highly efficient gun platforms they forced changes in the design of medieval seaside fortresses as well as refinement of sailing warships.
I doubt they referr to actual Galeas..ses.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galeas
I forgot /HHG/ enjoys its anger :^)

As surmised, I misinterpreted you and thought you were saying that they were developed by Chaos-aligned forces. You're right, it looks like there might not have been any ships in the style of BFG Chaos medium cruisers during the Heresy.

The Galleass was an actual warship class that could be called heavy galleys. They were used famously at the battle of Lepanto.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galleass

Wait so by'Great Crusade veteran cross' does it mean Gunther is a veteran in his company? Or just a superficial honorific? By the lightning bolts, does it mean HE or his FORMATION served in the Unification War?

Galley =/= galleas
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galleass

Looking at that list, it's good to note that Retribution, Victory, Emperor, Lunar and Cobra all have the "modern" armoured prow (well, I think Cobra just has the look, but in terms of rules is equally strong all around).

i remember one WB dude ages ago posting one of his guys with red shoulder pads and a few spergs freaking out. imagine trying to make such a radical custom color scheme like that in the img

Galley's-ass :^)
So they are Heavy Galleys, then.
What are today's ship classifications?
He's a (terran) Veteran and fought in the Unification Wars, maybe commanded by the Emperor Himself.

Excellent picture friend. I am the original user that was asking about ships so thanks man.

Man...

Yes there were! My point is that both "Imperial" and "Chaos" ships existed during and after 30k. That all BFG Chaos ships aren't pre-Heresy era ships Imperium doesn't make anymore and all armoured prow BFG Imperial ships are post-Heresy creations. Armoured prows and non-armoured prows existed during 30k and both ships were made after the Heresy.

The only reason there's a distinct divide is because of visuals. Just like how CSM got those big backpacks and horns on their helmets, because otherwise they'd just be space marines in a different colour.

Whats wrong with that scheme? The marine is either a normal veteran thats wearing the 1st company colors or he is a member of the 1st company thats been seconded to another company to work as a veteran.

Actually managing to re-create that colour scheme is usually the bigger problem :^)

>What are today's ship classifications?

There's a venerable mountain of them. This here is about the best resource for all the ones that have been used in recent decades.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_classification_symbol

Thankuyuu

I'd say the Galleass is a ship type, not a class. In this case, a large ship based on a freighter that's been given a bunch of weapons. I'm sure they do exist in M41, even if they aren't in the BFG game. A lot of Rogue Trader cruisers are probably closer to a galleass than a conventional cruiser.

How many points are 5 deathshroad terminators and 5 grave warden terminators? I'm having trouble finding their point totals

It helps that it's mentioned that the Galleass is a favored ship of Rogue Traders in the Crusade and Heresy period.

Grave Wardens are 200 points for 5 men.
Deathshroud are 210 points for 5 men.

Is the Thousand Sons paint scheme red or metallic red?

Yeah but why is he "having trouble" with that?

Blue.

Anyone have the Iron Warriors page from the How to Paint Miniatures: Burning of Prospero

Don't know. It's either a meme or a ruse but looking the rules up took me all of twenty seconds.

Which is the best contemptor model?

My vote goes to pic related. Sons of Horus and Thousand Sons are also bretty cool.

What about countermeasures, like feeding scrapcode similar to a SQL injection attack? The entry field thinks it's data, but it contains hidden code, the Magos' parser picks up the code and starts executing without his consent, and then he poops his pants. It's also a pretty simple kind of hack that can be protected against easily but lazy (or junior) Magos wouldn't bother and get fried.

Easily the Alpha legion one. I want to like the Iron Hands one, but something about it just doesn't work for me, and I've never really seen it painted it a way that makes it look good. The Raven Guard one is probably hands down my favorite loyalist contemptor.

Aaaaah you meant Mechanicum Magi?
Well they could hack each other.
Virus attacks, inceptiony mind suggestions, mallifica, sabotage, that thing where they steal your bank password, DNS attacks, opening a billion tabs in his visual display, etc.
Or bash the fuck out of each other in a duel.
Magos means wizard, so I thought you were talknig about psykers. So, forget the whole thing about ninjas

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TSons sergeant kitbash, awaiting left pauldron. Apologies for the shitty phone pic

I legit love the Iron Warriors one. It's definitely my favorite.

The Word Bearers one doesn't look that bad once painted up either. Not mine, but it looks nice.

I just realised that the Alpha Legion is almost certainly racist, since part of the job description or at least prerequisite for advancement is looking like Alpharius.

>mfw only a few days left until I go back to college
Anyway, what's new with 30k and these breads? Did Cruzefag get therapy yet?

Because that's stupid.

The Geneseed makes them look like him and there's surgery.

Gee, if there was only a way to change someone's appearance.

The Justaerins don't get flack.

Metallic. Tamiya Clear Red over a gold base, though it works best with an airbrush.

The initiation process affects your DNA before you reach maturity, so you'll grow to look a little more like Alpharius. Same seems to happen with the Sons of Horus.

>implying the Alpha Legion has recruits
They're all clone-sons of Alpharius, an entire legion of Abbadons.

Better late than never, I guess.

Horus's genes are a little too potent on the looks.
I forgot how ALposting made me feel. It's still stupid.

And here I thought my post was disarming.

Fair point I suppose.

A Techmagos did it.

I remember the Sons of Horus thing as well now.

*Still*, it's what reddit would call "fridge logic", where I realised you can't keep your identity on that most basic of levels. I imagine now though that it's not as bad as I thought and it adds dimensions to the Alpha Legion's super-convoluted mindgames - how do we know every Alpha Legionaire wasn't born a poor black child?

I like the Iron Warriors one, SoH as well but haven't painted one yet.

Index Astartes - matte pastel red and silver
BL text description - red and silver / ivory
FW round 1 - metallic red and white
FW round 2 - metallic red and gold
GW - matte red and gold

Pick your preference.

>*Still*, it's what reddit would call "fridge logic", where I realised you can't keep your identity on that most basic of levels. I imagine now though that it's not as bad as I thought and it adds dimensions to the Alpha Legion's super-convoluted mindgames - how do we know every Alpha Legionaire wasn't born a poor black child?
Because that's even more stupid than most AL posts.

I live to serve.

Help me /hhg/ my faction ADD is kicking in - I love my Alphas and I had always planned on a second legion. My original plan was to be bitter and paint up some IW, but painting 2 metallic colored legions seems like it's going to be kind of boring.

I don't want to play a loyalist legion and I want to use Mk III armor and more old school style weaponry (autocannons, flamers, none of those fancy energy beams). My thought is an old school Luna Wolves force? What do you guys think?