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The Imperial Guard commanders (Creed, etc) also trusted Trazyn and his help. So the blame is on all sides of the Imperial garrison.

Yes.

So, what happened to characters like Creed and Celestine? Did they die?

END OF TIMES

Celestine and Creed survive.

Abaddon bitch slaps Celestine down but for some reason doesn't finish her. He proceeds to chocke Creed to death. She gets up and stabs Abaddon in the back saving Creed.

Then everybody flee as Cadia begins expolding.

Just stay on your half of Cadia for now on and we will stay on our side.

>She gets up and stabs Abaddon in the back saving Creed.
Ladies and gentlemen, imperial "heroism".

You can thank me later, primitives. It was a pleasure working alongside you. Good fortune for all our future ventures.

How many losses did Abaddon take?

Not enough.

Someone can sum it up ? I don't read WD, so what happen exactly ?

Imagine Creed's wrath and the following tactical shenanigans to slow down the chaos forces advancing to Terra if Creed survive this...

...

AGE OF EMPEROR WHEN

Cadia is lost.

-Trazyn decided out of boredom to play a uper herp.
-He comes to Cadia and poofs Imperial armies and a angry witch hunter lady
-he tells the Imperial dudes who to activate the pylons
-Imperial dudes activate the pylons
-daemons are banished, possessed are in pain as their daemon hals go away, psykers be crippled or die, void shields go out, Abaddon losses the Chaos Gods blessing but still strong without them, Celestine loses her connection to the Emperor becomes a normal human
-instead of giving the Imperials the advantage, it screws them over hard.
-Abaddon easily beats her down, proceeds to choke Creed, she stabs him in the back.
-Abaddon teleports out before Cadian reinforcements arrive
-The pylon network pushes back the Eye of Terror for a bit before overloading and destroy Cadia

No I mean, how that's happen ? Did Failbadon put on chaos shenaningan with the Black Fortress, did the Demon Primarch finally pull they ass up ?

Indeed. I look forward to it, since we were the only individuals who actually did anything important or helpful in any way. See you around.

Thank, sir.

seems to be a repeat failure on the part of Chaos... they have the chance to finish off a supremely powerful being but always take time to focus on the little guy... and it promptly fucks them over

I say Creed is more important than Celestine in the coming grand war as the traitors make a dash towards Terra.

How did Abby teleport if the warp connection is out of order?

because Chaos Mary Sue powers

Abaddon before the Warp was fully sealed up, Abaddon used the last bits of the Warp to teleport himself and his chosen out.

I am not surprised, but I am disappointed.

>disappointed.
By what?

Yep. No pure combat character is at all important on a galactic scale. Abbadon does more harm than good with his insistance on taking the field himself, Celestine, Greyfax and the Wolves guys are completely bloody useless. The Guard, the Admech and the Navy will be the ones actually fighting a meaningful war, with SM support for surgical strikes and such.

or blowing entire Chaos fleets apart with the Phalanx and The Rock

Its abruptness. The fact that they didn't use any of the cool stuff that the players did when they fought it.

Having it all wrapped up in a single book's a let down, especially after the last, two-book affairs.

Or that. Really, they just need to mass up the Navy, add the SM fleets and the Baskilion Astra (Admech navy) and a few Arks Mechanicus and just blow the Chaos fleet out the water. Also Ordinatii must be made, and the Last Wall doctrine enforced so they can actually fight a proper campaign that isn't a series of skirmishes that were put to shame in scale by the Second World War.

Honestly this just proves once more what a fucking idiot and failure Abaddon truly is

>Doesn't need to land on planet, at all
>"Hey, hey, let's go down there anyways and beat their ass, just to hurt their morale, ya know? It will probably cost us lots of men and resources, but I have a great thirst for tears"
>"Lol look at this shit, they're sending a woman to fight me"
>"Too ez, I'm terminator spess muhreen" *slap*
>"Hey look it's that tactical genius Creed, on the frontlines no less (that doesn't make sense...), let's go choke him, and by that I mean barely apply any pressure whatsoever outside of what is needed to lift him off the ground, because squeezing any harder and I might actually kill him, but I'm not here to kill him, just break his spirit"
>"OH FUCK MY SIDES
>"OH MY FUCKING GOD I FORGOT ABOUT THE WOMAN"
>"Sir, we need to leave, like now, because we rigged this planet to explode before, ya know, teleporting down onto it for whatever dumbass reason"
>"Oh shit you're right, let me just fucking walk away from the woman who just stabbed me and let's go"
>"Why the fuck did I go down there again?

Single handedly the dumbest motherfucker in all of 40k, even considering Gretchin.
Still armless as ever.

How many CSM's were on cadia when it blew?

Given that Cadia fell in one book imagine what's next. This event is supposed to last for two years.

Such is their curse, driven to punish all good deeds (and reward evil ones) no matter what ill fortune it may bring.

plug a few cog boys into the Arcs to bust out fleet killing, black hole spitting, time fucking Dark Age goodness

Not many. The Crimson Slaughter did a sweep over the planet with their aircraft and picked up any CSM they could find before leaving the planet.

The mutants and traitor guard were left on the planet to meet their ultimate fate.

Yep, just finished reading that book yesterday. They should really do that more.

FFS, that is -one- unique ship they have. That shit is not universal.

>imagine what's next
I am less invested in what they do afterwards, however. Especially if they're just going to skip to the climax each time.

"oh that's a nice world killing ship you have there Mr. Despoiler, it would be a shame if someone.... shot a black hole at it!"

>They had lost
>But they had also won

This entire bullshit campaign summed up, don't worry, the plot is NOT moving forward, battles are being fought where one side can both win and lose at the same time.

but the Arc Mechanicus' are all like that

Honestly whoever wrote this line should be fired

This is also what happened in Wrath of Magnus, in Mont'ka, in Shield of Baal. Except Death Masque because the Eldar can only lose

I am seeing a pattern.

No, the Speranza is special. It even mocked the idea that it's just a DaoT ship in book 3 IIRC.

It's Matt Ward

Cadia being destroyed is more progress than Wrath of Magnus or Mont'ka.

Victory is not binary.
They won in that they defied Abaddon to the last.
They lost in that they died and got their shit blown up.

Ark Mechanicus is a class of ship, and they are nearly all that old. They may not have exactly that gun, but they are all armed with DAoT bullshitonium weapons. Even in their regular state they easily overmatch Navy Emperor-class battleships.

"Oh, hi Mr. I can fight with only melee weapons and a Storm Bolter. Meet the Ulator".

Even without the Speranza's specialist powers, the Admech have plenty of stuff that could easily take down the Planet Killer and anything in the Chaos arsenal, just with weight of fire and sheer toughness.

FUCK!!!!

but they're too busy bashing their cyberdongs on it to use it

Normally, yes. Most of them have enough sense to bring them out when required, though, since most Ordinatii are custom-built to the situation whenever needed. They built one for Ghazzy's WAAGH and such.

The Heresy-old Archmagos goes to Cadia with some shitty basic troops, rather than Ordinatii by the score, Arks Mechanicus, Myrmidons, all the bullshit he can scrape up. Why not cyclonic torpedo the planet when it's clearly lost and loads of Chaos bigwigs are stuck there for a while since the Warp isn't working? Fucks sake, a planet-scale war ends in a fucking DUEL between generals. Like, there's Sci-fi scale, and then there's that.

Point six billion Skitarii, which is half of what ONE FORGEWORLD sent, and all their support, at Abbadon and his 5 termies. Laugh in binary.

Is there any scan?

I wouldn't expect full scans/proper digital files this soon. Let the book actually release first.

or the Guard could have pointed every artillery battery they had at Abby when his Chaos protection went away... but did they, nope

Are you actually defending this shit writing? Are you ok with every future campaign ending with

>They lost
>But they also won

or alternatively

>They won
>But they had also lost

Yu meen zee arrmlezz thule didn't ezen kapchor zit thor kaos bethor eggsplod-ing it??

>It was the end times
>But it was also the beginning times

Pls no

>Are you actually defending this shit writing?

Not really.
But it makes sense, and is obviously meant to be a bone thrown to Imperial players while letting Chaos actually win and have the story advance.

>Ark Mechanicus is a class of ship, and they are nearly all that old. They may not have exactly that gun, but they are all armed with DAoT bullshitonium weapons. Even in their regular state they easily overmatch Navy Emperor-class battleships.

Incorrect. Most Ark Mechanicus are fitted with the best weaponry the Mechanicus can create, but only the best they can create. They're still much more advanced and scary that your average Imperial battleship, but none of them even come close to matching the Speranza.

The Speranza is exceptional even by DAoT standards. It's outrights stated that it is not at all the norm and contains technology absolutely beyond what DAoT was mostly capable of. It's likely that even in its heyday the Speranza was a one-of-a-kind superweapon that represented the greatest achievement of the greatest human minds in the galaxy.

I said it before. No faction is allowed to have a clear victory over the Imperium in ANY GW studio publication

Oh yes, the Speranza is one-of-a-kind, but I was saying that together with the rest of the Navy it should be fairly easy to beat Abaddon's fleet. Most of those are just regular warships, apart from a few daemon-ships, the Planet Killer and a few fancy warp-toys from the Hellforges. Also, in a ground battle, the Admech have far better tech than their opponents and just don't seem to use any of it. One Ulator, Reaver Titan or Myrmidon Cult could probably have taken down Abbadon easily in that battle.

>t. never heard of Pyrrhus of Epirus

Isn't the destruction of Cadia something that Chaos didn't want?

I think user's issue is that every fucking time a big battle goes down, whether it be IA or Kauyon or someshit, it's always a Pyrrhic stalemate with GW being too chickenshit to actually commit to a "this faction won, this is the result". It just comes across as being a bit pathetic.

Kauyon was an outright victory. Mont'ka was the Pyrrhic one.

Fair do, I just heard the shitposts about the firewall.
You gotta admit though, an outright victory for any one faction is a fucking rarity.

I mean, I thought being stuck in a grisly, 10,000 year inconclusive stalemate where every victory is accompanied with equal parts of loss was part of the setting, but yeah, I get where you're coming from. It's like fence sitting on a galactic narrative scale.

Crimson Path

It's almost as if the setting is predicated on there being a status quo of total mutual war or something.

And where any faction you might want to buy into has its share of victories.

>*teleports behind you*
>the emporer protects, kid

Victories were they lose, and losses where they win.

>Admech have far better tech than their opponents and just don't seem to use any of it

Welcome to the Adeptus Mechanicus.

>TFW the AdMech have a sure fire way to stop a Tyranid planetary invasion, and they promptly forgot about it immediately after use.

But user I play Orks and Craftworld Eldar and we've never won a major war ever.

Our Head Honchos have never even beaten a single Space Marine Chapter in battle. Don't tell lies user.

Pyrrhus of Epirus would kill for what 40k defines as 'Pyrrhic victories'. 8000+ years of pyrrhic victories and your Empire is still the largest in the galaxy and you've never lost a single major war? Yeah, that's not a pyrrhic victory at all.

If oyu are talknig about the bio toxin thath they used on the ultramarines that was only because of their luck of finding a pure strain lictor. Using that genes they were able to effect the whole sub mutations. Without having access to individual pure strains of the hive fleets you cant use it on others.

They have the tech but mostly they dont know how it works so they cant replicate it. That is why STC's are so important. It is the ikea of the far future.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
A NEW MILLENNIUM OF SLAUGHTER HAS FINALLY DAWNED!

I guess on a galactic scale, no, it's not. But every pyrrhic victory the Imperium sustains can cost them planets, worlds, and billions of lives, and they're only clawed back by ruthlessly expending the latter over and over again.

Planets and manpower they replenish.

Its not a pyrrhic victory if no significant lasting harm doesn't result from it.

The Imperium's never lost anything of consequence (with the possible exception of now int he Fall of Cadia though we'll see how it goes).

The Pyrrhic victory obsession just comes because GW straps 'HEAVY LOSSES' on everything it does. And like anything if every battle results in heavy losses, but said losses don't have a carry on effect later, the term becomes overused and meaningless.

Besides the Imperium is described in the latest rulebook as being bigger than its ever been. So the use of the Pyrrhic Victory shows GW doesn't know what a Pyrrhic Victory is.

[laugh from the grave]

Fair, I stopped reading the rulebooks and playing the game so I just orbit around the RPGs and a couple BL novels nowadays. Consider what I said my headcanon about how the Imperium ought to work. If it doesn't jive with how GW is currently writing them, that's fine by me.

Admech dont really have anything to spare
all skitarii are either safeguarding the forgeworlds and other vital imperial technologial and industrial assets or being sent to claim the Omnicopaeia

Source? Oh, it's fake, see you!

Well that's fine. I'll admit I don't know the RPG's very well but I can't imagine anything within them can change that status quo since in the recorded fluff the Imperium simply hasn't suffered significant losses of wars.

Curious about BL though, in my experience overwhelmingly BL is just about Marines beating everyone and everything under the sun.

Still I can understand about having one's own headcannon over how things work.

>Ollanius Pius 2: Electric Boogaloo

I mostly read the guard novels mate. Gaunt's Ghosts, Ciaphas Cain, couple of oneshots like Dead Men Walking and Cadian Blood. Liked Night Lords, but keep hearing bad things about ADB here so I dunno.

I guess my headcanon about how pyrrhic the Imperium's main victories are probably derives from how humanised the Guard stories tend to be compared to Marine wank and how many likeable characters end up dying senselessly.

>Craftworld Eldar
>Never won a major war

There are entire campaign books about Eldar beating multi-faction opponents. Valedor was big campagin book about Eldar winning. Only Tyranids never win major wars.