Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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Maulerfiends, Blood Slaugtherers or Kharybdis Assault Claws.

Nope, BT are the worst offenders since it's confirmed they started worshipping before M32, before the Ecclisiarchy was founded, iirc. As well as the fact that a good portion of them by that time were veterans of the Heresy/Scouring, and at least would have held the knowledge on why the HH started. It's even brought up in one of The Beast books where a CSM IW meets his old IF friend who is now a BT Dreadnought, and mocks him for worshipping the Emperor as the Word Bearers once did.

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>BEEP BOOP FUCK THE LOYALISTS

image?

I'm definitely not implying that at all, or at least don't mean to! I'm just saying that of all the hypocrites in the IoM, the BT are some of the biggest. Heck, I love all the fanatics, WB and BT especially.

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GW has announced this to be the best year for 40k ever in their newsletter for Gathering Storm.

What if the Black Templars are actually loyalist Word Bearers? Sigismund looks kinda similar to Lorgar, they even have the same haircut. That's not a coincidence.

this guy says you did your general thread wrong

It is a coincidence. Though Sigismund was Dorn's greatest shame and failure, if Lorgar did something right, it was purge his legion of all loyalists. He had 42 years to do so, after all, iirc. Rules-wise, in 30k the WB are the only legion that MUST be played as traitors, no ifs, ands, or buts.

Why?

Land Raider with Termis/Berzerkers is a classic, though unfortunately poor one.

thanks brah

because its a walker with crab claws--ignore ranged attacks and go claw for the glory of khorne

Most likely never.

Wanting to start a guard army.

Is putting infantry platoons with melta/or flamer worth it for being able to spam so much armor, or should I stick with vets in chimeras for the three special weapons per squad?

No prob user

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How does this look for my 1000pt Salamander army? Thoughts?

Atia posted on dakka, next 40k release will have at least two chaos characters resculpted, my money's on Typhus and Fabulous Bill

Linky-link.

I'd be surprised if it's not Abaddon

General rule of thumb is that infantry platoons slum in out on foot whilst the veterans get the ride. That's because veterans are more expensive and benefit more from having the extra protection and speed.

dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1950/711678.page#9122338

I think you should stop using that terrible list builder if you want real advice.

A single multi-melta is bad on marines.

what's the point of that one plasma cannon on the 8 man squad that can't even combat squad?

Who's taking the third drop pod? Where is the librarian going?

>list builder maymay

Do the pretty pictures trigger you autist?

>Tau hatred on 40kgen bingo intensifies

Thank you good sir. Its weird when someone in /40kg/ is not a complete faggot.

Just use a pencil and paper so you can upload grainy camphone shots like a real man, technology is for homos

>White Dwarf battle features old Abaddon model

Every week it feels more likely he's getting the AoS Archaon treatment.

I only suck dick on Mondays and Thursdays

He is getting the AoS Archaon treatment, more-or-less, the parallels behind his and Archaeon's rise to greater importance in the setting are uncanny, they're both becoming more like each other in philosophy, too.

thanks

Good thing its sunday.
>That starting catfight between Atia and Tastytaste
Oh where are my popcorns!

>Daemon Prince size Abaddon with 30 horns, 1000 spikes, four chaos faces, one feathered wing, 8 severed heads with clawed feet and hands
Calling it now, over designed shit coming our way.

Daemon Engines are more heavily linked to Dark Mechanicum IMO. Go Vindicator or model Berzerker havocs swinging their inevitable autocannons by the barrel to fuck niggas up. Or Predators, maybe. What's your list?

>We're actually advancing the plot, and suddenly people care about 40K again!

Personally I'm shocked Veeky Forums.

I'm going to be genuinely surprised if yabba-dabba-doo isn't getting a new and larger model to represent his gigantism.

>tfw still no giant model for the Exorcists character.

And a topknot the height of a dreadnought.

He's going to have 4 topknots now!

Why the fuck there are two generals?

Nah, I'm betting he bites it.

Mistakes were done.

youtube.com/watch?v=LdEX_q31_-g

Hope more than just Finnish 40k fans have seen this

A. Autism
B. Memes
C. Illiteracy
D. Phoneposters
E. All of the Above

Take your pick

017.M3 Thread Nova Interregnum
Age of twin threads.

Literally the only talk about FoC is about how awful it is

Sure, all publicity is good publicity for a time, but if all you offer people are rotten apples they're not going to keep buying apples from you for long

This honestly looks like some high school Newgrounds animation.

I do not care about fluff, it has been bad since 5th, 3rd and 4th had at least decent fluff.

The only thing I care about FoC are rules and people are just leaking fluff for some reason. We know it's shit like almost every new fluff for 40k. Why even bother with it at this point.

Being honest with ourselves, the list builder isn't great. It's nice for posting a list on an image board, but poor for double-checking things like the legality of the list. It's missing shit, too, if I understand it right.

At the same time, it's about as accurate as many other list builders, and this one does require you to RTFM for your faction instead of taking Battle-scribe at face value.

It's got room for improvement, but I don't see any better free shits that I can link to in my browser that are also pretty to look at, soooooo....

I don't know if awful is the right word for FoC, just bland.
I mean, cadia blew up and yet it didn't really come across as a big deal, and abby finally achieved his goal and yet somehow came across as even more incompetent than before. It's not bad as much as it is GW trying to move the setting forward without tipping the balance of power to full end times, and that's just boring

They need to step up the quality of the releases, especially in terms of rules. They've been churning out books this year, and a lot of them have been mediocre at best.

I think they need to have a long, hard look at the current crop of rule and fluff writers. Probably break the two in half entirely, and start purging the people that have cocking shit up for years now (pretty much everyone that we know the name of).

For some reason it didn't attach the drop pods to the second tactical squad or the venerable dreadnought.

The librarian is going with the 8 man tac squad.

Why is multi-melta bad? What should I take in its place?

>I think they need to have a long, hard look at the current crop of rule and fluff writers. Probably break the two in half entirely, and start purging the people that have cocking shit up for years now (pretty much everyone that we know the name of).
This. The fluff team definitely needs to be purged, unless someone actually thinks the drivel BL releases is in any way good.
The rules team may need a few fixes (like making sure crud never touches nids again, and bringing in people who actually know how to write good rules, like ward) but I think the real issue their is a lack of play testing and balancing. Perhaps they need to add in some oversight to better coordinate the codexes and make them more balanced?

Dont caaareee at allll. My admech got more stuff and a special character who has three minds and is a size of an carnifex! Best day of my life.

Seeing the rules for Electropriests was the worst.

The problem is everyone that uses it doesn't read the book, which is the main allure of most builders. Because anyone who has actually read the rules would instantly see how bad the builder is and not use it because they CAN'T build a proper list with it.

>pretty to look at

It's a mess. It isn't even clearly an intuitively laid out, with arbitrary placement for the squad photos. Look at and where the drop pods are placed and how the assault squad wargear and members are listed.

How to fix fluff.
Write the story
Read it to a 8 and 12 year old boy
If they find fucking awesome, start over.

It would fix a lot of the hahahaha I'm evil moments.

Also destroying planets is not an odd thing in the Imperium. Rare yes but not impossible.

Fucking idiot Magos touching the perfectly fine working pylons and exploding Cadia.

Who the fuck writes this shit? Really please someone in the UK punch the idiots in the face and brake their hands. I'll pay your lawyers if you do it.

Is Tastytaste part of faiet? If so, he can fuck right off. That "8th edition campaign" rumors list is bollocks.

The Magos messing with the Pylons was the only half-decent thing about FoC, but the fact that they exploded outright was terrible writing and basically made it so 'Chaos wins because they lost but it's okay because plot so Chaos wins.'

The current rules guys have been consistently churning out low quality releases for several editions now. They've had exactly one guy that put out consistently well-written crunch (Ward), and he's gone now. He's also a stellar example of why they should have different people doing the crunch and the fluff.

I definitely agree that they need to focus more on play-testing and balance, but I just don't see the value in keeping a gaggle of retards that have been failing at their job for years.

>waah, why didn't the 13th Black Crusade end in abject failure in the first book
Get fucked. Every time Chaos wins, you shitposters come crawling out of the woodwork to start whining.

Both sides failed. Abaddon get rekt and is show as retard. Imperium repel chaos but accidentally blow up Cadia.

>Completely missing the point of the post

It's not stupid that Chaos won, it's stupid that Chaos lost and then won because the plot demanded it.

Here's how to fix the fluff:
Kill abby, no more black crusades. Chaos still does incursions and raids and pillages, but no more of the "Failbadon and his spikey crew are going to end the enitre universe" shit. It's stupid and it fucks over everyone else's lore in favor of the worst written """villian""" of 40k.
Then, instead of armless the harmless trying to go fuck shit up, moae the daemon primarchs chaos' big bads, trying to settle scores with the imperium or getting into fights with other legions that end up ruining entire sectors

>Cadia is destroyed, opening the way for the ravening horde of Chaos to pour out into the Imperium
>b-b-but Abaddon lost, guys, my meme army got to inflict a flesh wound before getting BTFO, so it's a draw

Well it ain't available in my country so I won't see it until I decide to get one of those region free youtube plug-ins, which will be a while cause they tend to come paired with malware

>abby gets stapped in the back by a mortal, doesn't kill anyone of importance
>cawl and Trazyn actually destroy cadia, if they didn't activate the pylons cadia would be fine
>implying this is in anyway anything but a lucky phyrric victory for abby.

I agree, GW's need to always let the Imperium-babies claim some sort of victory in every conflict is one the major problems with 40k.

Again, better and free options include:
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I think you need to look up what a Pyrrhic victory actually is. Abaddon lost nothing and achieved his primary objective.

>getting stabbed in the back is nothing

Any of the opensource Excel/Word clones? A piece of paper?

Was there Curze on Cadia? They promised that he will be on Cadia.

It might not be a phyrric victory, but it's still rather disconcerting that Abbadon only won because chance, and actually had no hand whatsoever in Chaos's victory.

It didn't inconvenience him at all. He's still alive and well, and he still literally bitch-slapped his attacker.

I don't really understand why Abaddon makes people go full retard. Sure, he could be better written, but that doesn't excuse the constant tirade of misinformation and lies from shitposters like you.

List Builder stays in the OP, then.

threadly reminder that the wroters wanted to have abadon destroy cadia from orbit in 3 pages in the first draft...
so heh just be glad even a single chaos marine died

>Want to play more
>Local Meta is nothing but Deathstars
Is it just my meta or is the game now all about deathstars?

pen and paper.
excel
word
just writing your list here

its your faggot meta. change flgs

So now that Cadia is blown up at the end of the first book, what could the second in the series possibly be about? There's no more battlefield.

Imperial Navy losing Space Battles?

The fuck? It is like the only faction that is constantly competent.

Unless fighting Tau, god damn their plot armour is annoying

Sure, it's not a phyrric victory, but it's definitely a horribly written one.
Abby is perhaps the prime example of how to not write a villian. He does all this shit, yet only comes across as a moron. In FoC he only wins because cawl accidentally blows up the pylons, while abby get's gibbed in the back by celestine because he didn't just shoot her dead.
What's ridiculous is that with WoM we saw a decently written villian in magnus: he actually plans out his assault on his most hated enemy in the wolves, feels like he earned his victory and comes across as a real threat who only gets beat because the wolves got lucky that they had a relic that could hurt him.
It's ridiculous that GW's writers seem to have no understanding of how to make abbadon actually seem like a threat.

Cool.
>Even the local guard player runs a commissar with two powerfists, 10 bullgryn and a primaris psyker with biomancy every single game.

Power creep has resulted in a meta where everything either has to be cheap, disposable, MSU garbage, or an entirely unkillable deathstar that eats up a giant chunk of your points.

Try Kill team?

Presumably some of the Cadian Sector is left to fight over, otherwise we've got a whole Segmentum and a half before Abbadon reaches Terra to fight over, looks like it's Hold The Line o' Clock.